• Job growth slows in August

    From CNN Breaking News@VERT to no-reply@siteservices.cnn.com on Fri Sep 1 09:58:30 2017
    The US economy added only 156,000 jobs in August[1], less than recent months, according to the Labor Department.

    The unemployment rate rose a bit to 4.4%, as fewer adults reported that they had a job during the month.

    The Labor Department also revised down earlier estimates for job growth in both June and July by a total of 41,000 jobs, suggesting that the labor market is not as strong as it appeared to be a month ago.

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to CNN Breaking News on Fri Sep 1 13:24:00 2017
    CNN Breaking News wrote to no-reply@siteservices.cnn.com on 09-01-17 05:58
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    The US economy added only 156,000 jobs in August[1], less than recent months, according to the Labor Department.

    The unemployment rate rose a bit to 4.4%, as fewer adults reported that they had a job during the month.

    The Labor Department also revised down earlier estimates for job growth in both June and July by a total of 41,000 jobs, suggesting that the labor market is not as strong as it appeared to be a month ago.

    Not that I'm happy about this labor report one bit.... but it seems the 'House of Orange" is cracking from the weight or it's own boasting...

    Counting the days...


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Bill McGarrity on Mon Sep 4 16:02:18 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to CNN Breaking News on Fri Sep 01 2017 09:24 am

    Not that I'm happy about this labor report one bit.... but it seems the 'House of Orange" is cracking from the weight or it's own boasting...

    if your source of news is CNN

    Counting the days...

    keep on counting them.
    he's going to get re-elected or some other non liberal will take his place.

    liberals have ruined this country long enough.
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  • From Leregard@VERT to Mro on Mon Sep 4 17:23:00 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Mro to Bill McGarrity on Mon Sep 04 2017 12:02 pm

    liberals have ruined this country long enough.

    You've never seen a ruined country.

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Mro on Mon Sep 4 21:54:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Bill McGarrity on 09-04-17 12:02 <=-

    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to CNN Breaking News on Fri Sep 01 2017 09:24 am

    Not that I'm happy about this labor report one bit.... but it seems the 'House of Orange" is cracking from the weight or it's own boasting...

    if your source of news is CNN

    My source is the Department of Labor..... all news agencies use those #'s.


    Counting the days...

    keep on counting them.
    he's going to get re-elected or some other non liberal will take his place.

    liberals have ruined this country long enough.

    I can imagine you thinking that way... but with his approval rating of 34% of the population, I'll take my chances with a progressive. I'm tired of people wanting to live in the 1950's again.


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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Bill McGarrity on Mon Sep 4 22:37:50 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to Mro on Mon Sep 04 2017 05:54 pm

    liberals have ruined this country long enough.

    I can imagine you thinking that way... but with his approval rating of 34%

    yes i think that way. because i lived through years of liberal rule.

    I can imagine you thinking that way... but with his approval rating of 34% of the population, I'll take my chances with a progressive.

    it's funny how progressives want to hold everyone back.
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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Mro on Tue Sep 5 10:57:00 2017
    Mro wrote to Bill McGarrity on 09-04-17 18:37 <=-

    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to Mro on Mon Sep 04 2017 05:54 pm

    liberals have ruined this country long enough.

    I can imagine you thinking that way... but with his approval rating of 34%

    yes i think that way. because i lived through years of liberal rule.

    We've lived through more years of conservative rule where it seems every time they get in office the shit hits the fan. Prime example... The 'Shrub"... and now this moron.

    I can imagine you thinking that way... but with his approval rating of 34% of the population, I'll take my chances with a progressive.

    it's funny how progressives want to hold everyone back.

    You're quite confused in your thinking... but that's ok... we all know your ailement. Too much cheetos....

    Enjoy your day..


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Bill McGarrity on Tue Sep 5 13:05:21 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to Mro on Mon Sep 04 2017 05:54 pm

    liberals have ruined this country long enough.

    I can imagine you thinking that way... but with his approval rating of 34% of the population, I'll take my chances with a progressive. I'm tired of people wanting to live in the 1950's again.

    So what you want is a Social Government.
    I see whats happening to California with their progressive tax and spend attitudes and they keep putting through more tax increases.
    California has 1/3 of the walefare burden in the USA and they have one of the highest tax rates in the USA.
    "PROGRESSIVE" Government = TAXES and More TAXES.
    Progressive Government is a nicer way to say Socialist Government.


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Mro on Tue Sep 5 13:15:21 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Mro to Bill McGarrity on Mon Sep 04 2017 06:37 pm

    liberals have ruined this country long enough.

    I can imagine you thinking that way... but with his approval rating of
    34%

    yes i think that way. because i lived through years of liberal rule.

    I can imagine you thinking that way... but with his approval rating of
    34% of the population, I'll take my chances with a progressive.

    it's funny how progressives want to hold everyone back.

    That is so true MRO

    Who cares about a fake stat like 34% approval rating it really means nothing. Reagan at one time had a lower rating yet he is one of the most popular presdents of all time.


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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Roadhog on Tue Sep 5 20:54:00 2017
    Roadhog wrote to Bill McGarrity on 09-05-17 09:05 <=-

    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to Mro on Mon Sep 04 2017 05:54 pm

    liberals have ruined this country long enough.

    I can imagine you thinking that way... but with his approval rating of 34% of the population, I'll take my chances with a progressive. I'm tired of people wanting to live in the 1950's again.

    So what you want is a Social Government.
    I see whats happening to California with their progressive tax and
    spend attitudes and they keep putting through more tax increases.
    California has 1/3 of the walefare burden in the USA and they have one
    of the highest tax rates in the USA.
    "PROGRESSIVE" Government = TAXES and More TAXES.
    Progressive Government is a nicer way to say Socialist Government.


    Do you not think you're already living in a society that has socialistic principles? You pay taxes therefore you're part of a collective that reaps the rewards of your contribution. ie: police, fire, EMS, the roads you drive upon, etc. Stop being tunnel-visioned on welfare... it will drive you nuts.

    Regarding California... yes, taxes are high but in contrast, i live in a state that has the highest property tax rate in the country and guess what, it has a GOP governor. BTW, if you've done your homework you'll see an independent nonpartisan legislative analyst has forecast a $2.8 billion budget surplus in California. Care to explain that?


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Bill McGarrity on Wed Sep 6 01:53:44 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to Roadhog on Tue Sep 05 2017 04:54 pm

    So what you want is a Social Government.
    I see whats happening to California with their progressive tax and
    spend attitudes and they keep putting through more tax increases.
    California has 1/3 of the walefare burden in the USA and they have
    one of the highest tax rates in the USA.
    "PROGRESSIVE" Government = TAXES and More TAXES.
    Progressive Government is a nicer way to say Socialist Government.

    Regarding California... yes, taxes are high but in contrast, i live in a state that has the highest property tax rate in the country and guess what, it has a GOP governor. BTW, if you've done your homework you'll see an independent nonpartisan legislative analyst has forecast a $2.8 billion budget surplus in California. Care to explain that?

    It's easy to explain, any Moron can understand it, they have a surplus because of new taxes Jerry Brown Doggle and his ilk keep robbing from the people of California.
    NEW TAXES = NEW REVENUE = SURPLUS wow what a concept but then Liberals can't wrap their minds around anything like that because they're to busy with their heads up their asses counting thier colon polyps.

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Roadhog on Wed Sep 6 12:04:00 2017
    Roadhog wrote to Bill McGarrity on 09-05-17 21:53 <=-

    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to Roadhog on Tue Sep 05 2017 04:54 pm

    So what you want is a Social Government.
    I see whats happening to California with their progressive tax and
    spend attitudes and they keep putting through more tax increases.
    California has 1/3 of the walefare burden in the USA and they have
    one of the highest tax rates in the USA.
    "PROGRESSIVE" Government = TAXES and More TAXES.
    Progressive Government is a nicer way to say Socialist Government.

    Regarding California... yes, taxes are high but in contrast, i live in a state that has the highest property tax rate in the country and guess what, it has a GOP governor. BTW, if you've done your homework you'll see an independent nonpartisan legislative analyst has forecast a $2.8 billion budget surplus in California. Care to explain that?

    It's easy to explain, any Moron can understand it, they have a surplus because of new taxes Jerry Brown Doggle and his ilk keep robbing from
    the people of California.
    NEW TAXES = NEW REVENUE = SURPLUS wow what a concept but then Liberals can't wrap their minds around anything like that because they're to
    busy with their heads up their asses counting thier colon polyps.

    I see.... now answer me this. Would you rather live in a state that has a surplus or a deficit? Not even knowing you I'm sure, if you were smart that is, have one of the following:

    Bank savings account
    Stock porfolio
    401K
    Retirement account

    Now, if you understand the basic principles of economics, those 'accounts' are normally used when your basic income falls short of meeting your needs. Does it hurt you having to contribute to them weekly out of your paycheck, I'm sure it does unless you're making 7 figures/year. Now tell me, without those 'accounts' and just out of the blue comes a major expense (it does happen), how are you going to absorb that hit without a 'SURPLUS'? Same principle goes for state governments. When hard times hit (normally when there is a GOP president), there's enough cash in the bank so those socialistic services you depend on but don't have a clue about, will not suffer.

    Now, let's look at how federally funded state spending works into the
    icture...

    I saw, and I maybe wrong, but you reside in Utah. For every dollar Utah sends to D.C. they get back $1.40. Now let's compare that to the state where I live, NJ. For every dollar NJ sends to D.C., we get back $0.72. California is right on the line of being a donor/taker state. They get back $0.99. So now, knowing those #'s (which are verifiable... check yourself), that makes Utah a 'taker' state. See how this socialism thing works. Now instead of spewing all the Faux Entertainment garbage, do some research yourself and when you're done, I would like to see your state say a 'thank you' to the rest of the blue states that are carrying your ass.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Bill McGarrity on Wed Sep 6 12:58:50 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to Roadhog on Wed Sep 06 2017 08:04 am

    So what you want is a Social Government.

    I see.... now answer me this. Would you rather live in a state that has a surplus or a deficit? Not even knowing you I'm sure, if you were smart that is, have one of the following:

    California just added a 12 cent gas tax and the turned around and added a 63 cent cap and trade tax, and yes cap and trade was declared a deferred tax.
    Calfornia has an artificial surplus.
    Between Government Pensions, Jerry Brown Doggles choo choo train, Illeagle aliens, Welfare to name a few things California is on the fast track to bankruptsy and can only stay afloat by continually raising taxes, in other words this BLUE state instead of fixing the problems they just put a bandaid on it by raising taxes.
    Pension payouts have already banckrupted Stockton and a few other cities in Cal.
    This is what your Socialist governments do to the taxpayer.

    yourself), that makes Utah a 'taker' state. See how this socialism thing works. Now instead of spewing all the Faux Entertainment garbage, do some a 'thank you' to the rest of the blue states that are carrying your ass.

    Wow you're really funny and really clueless.
    Blue states are not carrying anybody, California is a great example of a
    BLUE state that is imploding.
    and here is a clue CNN and other tabloid so called news are not soures for real facts.


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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Thu Sep 7 11:44:08 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Roadhog to Bill McGarrity on Tue Sep 05 2017 09:05 am

    "PROGRESSIVE" Government = TAXES and More TAXES.
    Progressive Government is a nicer way to say Socialist Government.


    Taxes are how you pay for the military and the police. Which are VERY EXPENSIVE, actually. No one ever seems to complain about that. There's nothing wrong with taxes, per se, and it would be a dark world without them.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Bill McGarrity on Thu Sep 7 11:51:44 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to Roadhog on Tue Sep 05 2017 04:54 pm

    Regarding California... yes, taxes are high but in contrast, i live in a state that has the highest property tax rate in the country and guess what, it has a GOP governor. BTW, if you've done your homework you'll see an independent nonpartisan legislative analyst has forecast a $2.8 billion budget surplus in California. Care to explain that?

    Everything I've seen so far suggests that California could actually SECEDE from the United States, and be better off than they were before. They're like the 5th largest economy in the world -- just the state of California. They grow a surprising percentage of the ENTIRE WORLD'S FOOD, and if they decide to REALLY embrace socialism we're all in trouble.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Thu Sep 7 11:54:55 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Roadhog to Bill McGarrity on Tue Sep 05 2017 09:53 pm

    NEW TAXES = NEW REVENUE = SURPLUS wow what a concept but then Liberals

    I'm honestly not seeing the problem here.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Thu Sep 7 13:17:58 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Roadhog to Bill McGarrity on Wed Sep 06 2017 08:58 am

    Calfornia has an artificial surplus.
    Between Government Pensions, Jerry Brown Doggles choo choo train, Illeagle aliens, Welfare to name a few things California is on the fast track to bankruptsy and can only stay afloat by continually raising taxes, in other

    I don't get it. What's an artificial surplus? The State of California isn't obliged to turn a profit, they're not a business. They don't sell things.
    They don't have bake sales to raise money, they have TAXES. That is literally how governments fund themselves. If you think taxes are socialist I don't know what to say about that.

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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Leregard on Thu Sep 7 21:11:00 2017
    Leregard wrote to Bill McGarrity on 09-07-17 07:51 <=-

    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to Roadhog on Tue Sep 05 2017 04:54 pm

    Regarding California... yes, taxes are high but in contrast, i live in a state that has the highest property tax rate in the country and guess what, it has a GOP governor. BTW, if you've done your homework you'll see an independent nonpartisan legislative analyst has forecast a $2.8 billion budget surplus in California. Care to explain that?

    Everything I've seen so far suggests that California could actually
    SECEDE from the United States, and be better off than they were before.
    They're like the 5th largest economy in the world -- just the state of California. They grow a surprising percentage of the ENTIRE WORLD'S
    FOOD, and if they decide to REALLY embrace socialism we're all in
    trouble.

    They could. The other poster said they just put a $0.16/gallon tax on gas. Guess what... here in NJ with a GOP governor they hit us with a $0.23/gallon. It's all smoke and Faux Entertainment with them. The only reseach they've done is to watch the morons like Hannity and Alex Jones. Oh forgot, seems like Rush is making another comeback to their delight.


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  • From Bill McGarrity@VERT/TEQUILAM to Roadhog on Thu Sep 7 21:18:00 2017
    Roadhog wrote to Bill McGarrity on 09-06-17 08:58 <=-

    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Bill McGarrity to Roadhog on Wed Sep 06 2017 08:04 am

    So what you want is a Social Government.

    I see.... now answer me this. Would you rather live in a state that has a surplus or a deficit? Not even knowing you I'm sure, if you were smart that is, have one of the following:

    California just added a 12 cent gas tax and the turned around and
    added a 63 cent cap and trade tax, and yes cap and trade was declared a deferred tax.
    Calfornia has an artificial surplus.
    Between Government Pensions, Jerry Brown Doggles choo choo train, Illeagle aliens, Welfare to name a few things California is on the fast track to bankruptsy and can only stay afloat by continually raising
    taxes, in other words this BLUE state instead of fixing the problems
    they just put a bandaid on it by raising taxes.
    Pension payouts have already banckrupted Stockton and a few other
    cities in Cal.
    This is what your Socialist governments do to the taxpayer.

    Wow... and here Christie failed to make payments to any of the state pensions. Pensions are just what they are. You know what the funny part of all this is, you'd give a left lung to be on a government run payroll. Suck it up there snowflake.


    yourself), that makes Utah a 'taker' state. See how this socialism thing works. Now instead of spewing all the Faux Entertainment garbage, do some a 'thank you' to the rest of the blue states that are carrying your ass.

    Wow you're really funny and really clueless.
    Blue states are not carrying anybody, California is a great example of
    a BLUE state that is imploding.
    and here is a clue CNN and other tabloid so called news are not soures for real facts.


    Really? Better go do some homework. BTW, CNN is not my provider of news. I'm not a follower of Faux, which btw, is really an entertainment network. Should go over and read their terms of service. It's all editorial and the right suck on it like a sugar coated teat. Grow a spine and think for yourself.

    BTW, it's almost Mueller time....


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Fri Sep 8 11:30:36 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Thu Sep 07 2017 09:17 am

    Calfornia has an artificial surplus.
    Between Government Pensions, Jerry Brown Doggles choo choo train,
    Illeagle aliens, Welfare to name a few things California is on the
    fast track to bankruptsy and can only stay afloat by continually
    raising taxes, in other

    I don't get it. What's an artificial surplus? The State of California isn't obliged to turn a profit, they're not a business. They don't sell things. They don't have bake sales to raise money, they have TAXES. That is literally how governments fund themselves. If you think taxes are socialist I don't know what to say about that.

    Governor Jerry "I Like Trains" Brown and the liberal Democrats in control in Sacramento have ushered into the state, by raising taxes to sky high levels, the highest state sales, income, and gas taxes at the pump, to achieve a modest surplus of a few billion dollars in the state budget.

    By raising taxes significantly they managed to pull a surplus of 2.8 billion. so without massive tax increases they would have run into the negative by billions of Dollars, this has created an artificial surplus that cannot be sustained without raising taxes even more than they already have.


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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Fri Sep 8 15:24:14 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Fri Sep 08 2017 07:30 am


    By raising taxes significantly they managed to pull a surplus of 2.8 billion. so without massive tax increases they would have run into the negative by billions of Dollars, this has created an artificial surplus that cannot be sustained without raising taxes even more than they already have.


    I'm not very up to speed on California politics because I don't live in California, but it sounds like their taxes were too low, and they fixed the problem by raising them. I'd have to see a study on how higher gas prices affect quality of life for most Californians, but I doubt it's a problem. It doesn't sound like an "artificial surplus" at all. I'd like to know what you'd call a "natural surplus". California has plenty of money. They grow most of the strawberries IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, etc., and Hollywood and Silicon Valley are IN California. Are they hurting for money, really? There's a LOT of money IN California and if it's the difference between a government being funded and a government being bankrupt, raise taxes. That's what taxes are FOR.

    How would you fund a government?

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Fri Sep 8 15:29:31 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Fri Sep 08 2017 07:30 am

    By raising taxes significantly they managed to pull a surplus of 2.8 billion. so without massive tax increases they would have run into the negative by billions of Dollars, this has created an artificial surplus that cannot be sustained without raising taxes even more than they already have.

    To put it differently... is there a CORRECT (low) tax rate you'd be happy with, or is it more that all taxes are bad and government should be as small as possible? (except for a huge military, obviously)

    I think we can probably agree that people and businesses should pay their FAIR SHARE OF TAXES, although we'd probably disagree on what that is. If you live here, drive on the roads, use our libraries and post offices, and our Navy secures your shipments of goods etc. etc., you should pay taxes.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Fri Sep 8 15:32:36 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Fri Sep 08 2017 11:29 am

    By raising taxes significantly they managed to pull a surplus of 2.8 billion. so without massive tax increases they would have run into the negative by billions of Dollars, this has created an artificial surplus that cannot be sustained without raising taxes even more than they already have.

    Oh... this is not about California, but I heard this morning they passed a bill for like... $14,000,000,000 in aid money to recent hurricane victims, and I wonder if you think that's a legit function of government or not.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Sat Sep 9 02:44:36 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Fri Sep 08 2017 11:29 am

    By raising taxes significantly they managed to pull a surplus of 2.8
    billion. so without massive tax increases they would have run into the
    negative by billions of Dollars, this has created an artificial
    surplus that cannot be sustained without raising taxes even more than
    they already have.

    To put it differently... is there a CORRECT (low) tax rate you'd be happy with, or is it more that all taxes are bad and government should be as small as possible? (except for a huge military, obviously)


    Here is what I have a problem with, they pay out huge pensions with the best benefits i.e. medical, dental, vision to government workers on top of an unjustifiable salary all because they think taxpayer's will just keep coughing up more tax money.
    they should be paid comprable to the working sector on wages and get a 401k like the rest of us instead of putting the burden on those of us in the private sector that pay their overbloated wages, and they should get the same kind of medical plans that we get.
    and they should reduce government waste and limit government spending.
    No I am not against paying taxes I'm against paying for perks with my hard earned taxes.
    Legislators in Sacremento get leased cars and gas cards at the taxpayers expense.
    they make very high wages allot more than most taxpayers and we have to pay for these perks?

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Sat Sep 9 02:52:20 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Fri Sep 08 2017 11:32 am

    Oh... this is not about California, but I heard this morning they passed a bill for like... $14,000,000,000 in aid money to recent hurricane victims, and I wonder if you think that's a legit function of government or not.

    Of coarse, I'm not against giving aid to victims of disasters, I'm against giving pensions and perks to F A T ass government employee's that don't deserve to mooch of the working class.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Sun Sep 10 12:27:58 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Fri Sep 08 2017 10:44 pm

    Here is what I have a problem with, they pay out huge pensions with the best benefits i.e. medical, dental, vision to government workers on top of an unjustifiable salary all because they think taxpayer's will just keep coughing up more tax money.
    they should be paid comprable to the working sector on wages and get a 401k like the rest of us instead of putting the burden on those of us in the private sector that pay their overbloated wages, and they should get the same kind of medical plans that we get.
    and they should reduce government waste and limit government spending.
    No I am not against paying taxes I'm against paying for perks with my hard earned taxes.
    Legislators in Sacremento get leased cars and gas cards at the taxpayers expense.
    they make very high wages allot more than most taxpayers and we have to pay for these perks?


    Ok. Personally I think it's messed up that senior Army officers make 6 figure salaries and that even Army captains can make LITERALLY THREE TIMES what the people who have to risk their lives following orders and risk their lives get paid. It's not fair. People with more responsibility for the public good should get paid more, but maybe not more than THREE TIMES more. Others would disagree, of course, but it boils down to a question of what being PAID FAIRLY means. What is a fair wage for a fair day's work? Does that make sense? I think it's just as likely that private industry is paying NOT ENOUGH and providing NOT ENOUGH benefits and I don't necessarily blame the government for paying MORE to try and hire the best people...

    It's obviously a lose/lose and if they try to incentivize good people to work for them instead of private industry, you'll say they're paying too much, but if they cut corners and get bad people you'll say they're incompetant.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Sun Sep 10 12:29:09 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Fri Sep 08 2017 10:52 pm

    Of coarse, I'm not against giving aid to victims of disasters, I'm against giving pensions and perks to F A T ass government employee's that don't deserve to mooch of the working class.


    I don't actually disagree with that, but I absolutely have no problem with government employee's getting benefits and pensions. What's actually messed up is that private employers DON'T anymore.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Sun Sep 10 12:36:07 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Sun Sep 10 2017 08:29 am

    I don't actually disagree with that, but I absolutely have no problem with government employee's getting benefits and pensions. What's actually messed up is that private employers DON'T anymore.

    I meant, "employees of private employers". My father worked in the car windshield industry for most of his adult life and he made good money (probably more than pencil pushers for the government of California, actually) and he retired with a pension. This simply doesn't happen anymore.

    And anyone who complains about it is "entitled" and wants a hand out, right? But no, no, no, no, no, that's EXACTLY what everyone SHOULD be complaining about. That's what "make America great again" is supposed to be ABOUT, right? Bringing back the good coal jobs, or whatever? I'm not trying to argue, I really thought that was the point.

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    To put it differently... is there a CORRECT (low) tax rate you'd be happy with, or is it more that all taxes are bad and government should be as small as possible? (except for a huge military, obviously)


    Here is what I have a problem with, they pay out huge pensions with the best benefits i.e. medical, dental, vision to government workers on top
    of an unjustifiable salary all because they think taxpayer's will just keep coughing up more tax money.
    they should be paid comprable to the working sector on wages and get a 401k like the rest of us instead of putting the burden on those of us
    in the private sector that pay their overbloated wages, and they should get the same kind of medical plans that we get.

    I work in the private sector. I have a couple friends who do what I do (they just don't quite have the same level of experience I do) that work for the state government, and they make less than what I make, by a substantial amount. My benefits are better too. For my position, I make a slightly above average salary.



    and they should reduce government waste and limit government spending.
    No I am not against paying taxes I'm against paying for perks with my
    hard earned taxes.
    Legislators in Sacremento get leased cars and gas cards at the
    taxpayers expense.
    they make very high wages allot more than most taxpayers and we have
    to pay for these perks?

    Of course they do, they are the same body that sets the wages. Beign elected to a public office is described as "public service". Legislators should get paid the same (or less) than our military service members do. THAT is
    service.


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Mon Sep 11 04:54:40 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Sun Sep 10 2017 08:27 am

    Here is what I have a problem with, they pay out huge pensions with
    the best benefits i.e. medical, dental, vision to government workers
    on top of an unjustifiable salary all because they think taxpayer's
    will just keep coughing up more tax money.

    Ok. Personally I think it's messed up that senior Army officers make 6 figure salaries and that even Army captains can make LITERALLY THREE TIMES what the people who have to risk their lives following orders and risk their lives get paid. It's not fair. People with more responsibility for the public good should get paid more, but maybe not more than THREE TIMES more. Others would disagree, of course, but it boils down to a question of what being PAID FAIRLY means. What is a fair wage for a fair day's work?

    No they "DO NOT" have more resposabilties than most people, they sit in a fucking cubicle all day and it takes 10 of the bastards to do the job of a normal worker.
    The hard working private sector actually makes a prophit or the company cuts back on workers and paid out wages, these lazy slobs if held to the same standards would be unemployed.
    Fairly paid means you see what the private sector pays at a comparable type job.

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Mon Sep 11 05:04:46 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Sun Sep 10 2017 08:29 am

    Of coarse, I'm not against giving aid to victims of disasters, I'm
    against giving pensions and perks to F A T ass government employee's
    that don't deserve to mooch of the working class.


    I don't actually disagree with that, but I absolutely have no problem with government employee's getting benefits and pensions. What's actually messed up is that private employers DON'T anymore.

    Why should we give them way more than what we get? the government should start giving them the same as what we the taxpayer gets, their jobs (most of them) are not worth any more or have any more value than most private sector jobs.
    but it is what it is and all my bitching about it will not change anything 'sigh' o well I guess I'll find another topic to type about.
    I actually hate even talking about how the government screws the tax payer knowing there is absolutly nothing I can do about it.


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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Mon Sep 11 05:11:01 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Sun Sep 10 2017 08:36 am

    I meant, "employees of private employers". My father worked in the car windshield industry for most of his adult life and he made good money (probably more than pencil pushers for the government of California, actually) and he retired with a pension. This simply doesn't happen anymore.

    And anyone who complains about it is "entitled" and wants a hand out, right? But no, no, no, no, no, that's EXACTLY what everyone SHOULD be complaining about. That's what "make America great again" is supposed to be ABOUT, right? Bringing back the good coal jobs, or whatever? I'm not trying to argue, I really thought that was the point.


    It would be nice but companies have cut back way back for higher prophit margins.
    O well I have a pretty decent job and glad to have it and a house to live in. And yes I would like to "make America great again" but I don't really see it happening.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Thu Sep 14 09:39:28 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Mon Sep 11 2017 12:54 am

    Fairly paid means you see what the private sector pays at a comparable type job.

    Oh, I can't agree with that at all. Taken to logical conclusions, the *private sector* will end up paying Indonesians, etc., $1.50/day. THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Thu Sep 14 09:44:23 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Mon Sep 11 2017 01:04 am

    Why should we give them way more than what we get? the government should start giving them the same as what we the taxpayer gets, their jobs (most of them) are not worth any more or have any more value than most private sector jobs.

    I really do understand what you're saying here... but the REAL problem is that the private sector should pay MORE. We're the richest country in the world, and our workers at the bottom will NEVER see it. Where's the "trickle down" we're supposed to see? It hasn't happened yet.

    Average workers in private industry would have to work 400+ years to make what a senior executive of their company makes in one year, so it's weird to me that government salaries are what bothers you. You're basically complaining about income inequality... and I don't disagree with that, but the public sector shouldn't have to adapt itself to winning a race to the bottom.

    But again, I don't live in California so maybe it really is that bad... I dont' know.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Thu Sep 14 09:56:27 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Thu Sep 14 2017 05:44 am

    Why should we give them way more than what we get? the government should start giving them the same as what we the taxpayer gets, their jobs (most of them) are not worth any more or have any more value than most private sector jobs.

    On a related note, I had to put some thought into saying this in a not-racist-sounding way, but I took a tour of some Microsoft offices in Seattle as part of a recruiting program, and the quantity of Indian guys with visas they are hiring and the jobs they are apparently outsourcing (through contractors, they'd never admit to doing it themselves) to basically coding sweatshops in Bangalore should seriously have us all worried. You can code from ANYWHERE and why wouldn't you send Indian guys to school in the US and then send them back to India and pay them in rupees?

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Leregard on Thu Sep 14 12:48:34 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Thu Sep 14 2017 05:56 am

    Why should we give them way more than what we get? the government
    should start giving them the same as what we the taxpayer gets,

    On a related note, I had to put some thought into saying this in a not-racist-sounding way, but I took a tour of some Microsoft offices in Seattle as part of a recruiting program, and the quantity of Indian guys with visas they are hiring and the jobs they are apparently outsourcing (through contractors, they'd never admit to doing it themselves) to basically coding sweatshops in Bangalore should seriously have us all worried. You can code from ANYWHERE and why wouldn't you send Indian guys to school in the US and then send them back to India and pay them in rupees?

    Many companies are using the H-1B visa program in a way it was not meant to be used, It was supposed to hire aliens only if there were no qualified Americans but they abuse it and hire outside our country and pay the foriegn workers less than half of what they would have to pay Americans, Disney and many other companies abuse the H-1B program.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Thu Sep 14 14:49:26 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Roadhog to Leregard on Thu Sep 14 2017 08:48 am

    Many companies are using the H-1B visa program in a way it was not meant to be used, It was supposed to hire aliens only if there were no qualified Americans but they abuse it and hire outside our country and pay the foriegn workers less than half of what they would have to pay Americans, Disney and many other companies abuse the H-1B program.

    The weird thing is I wouldn't mind so much if they paid them THE SAME as American workers. Just the FACT that cheap labor is available at all lowers wages for the Americans they do hire.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Thu Sep 14 14:55:57 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Thu Sep 14 2017 10:49 am

    Many companies are using the H-1B visa program in a way it was not meant to be used, It was supposed to hire aliens only if there were no qualified Americans but they abuse it and hire outside our country and pay the foriegn workers less than half of what they would have to pay Americans, Disney and many other companies abuse the H-1B program.

    The weird thing is I wouldn't mind so much if they paid them THE SAME as American workers. Just the FACT that cheap labor is available at all lowers wages for the Americans they do hire.

    Just to be clear, by the way, I don't have a solution to this. We're in a race to the bottom, and if they can pay us Chinese or Indonesian wages they will, obviously. By the logic of business, I can't blame them... they're playing the game by the rules. Reduce costs, maximize profits. On the other hand, fuck the rules. I'm just straight up mad about this and I think everyone NOT mad about it isn't paying attention. I'm not AT ALL a Trump supporter but this is the one piece of "Make America Great Again" I can absolutely sympathize with. It's WAY oversimplistic that immigrants are stealing are jobs... that's just not really true. ENTIRE OTHER COUNTRIES are stealing our jobs. Immigrants coming HERE are just as fucked as we are.

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  • From Leregard@VERT to Roadhog on Thu Sep 14 14:58:55 2017
    Re: Job growth slows in August
    By: Leregard to Roadhog on Thu Sep 14 2017 10:55 am

    qualified Americans but they abuse it and hire outside our country and pay the foriegn workers less than half of what they would have to pay Americans, Disney and many other companies abuse the H-1B program.

    are stealing our jobs. Immigrants coming HERE are just as fucked as we are.

    Granted, "just as fucked as we are" can still send a kid to college in Mexico, probably... we're not THAT bad, honestly we're not.... not YET anyway, but it doesn't look good.

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