• Censorship

    From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to All on Sat Mar 2 13:49:00 2019
    Congressman Adam Schiff is trying to pressure bookstores, media stores and digital stores to pull anti vaccine material. I wish this turd could get
    the Trump curse on him.
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  • From Zazz@VERT/PBSYNC to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Mar 3 21:28:48 2019
    Re: Censorship
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sat Mar 02 2019 08:49:00

    Congressman Adam Schiff is trying to pressure bookstores, media stores and digital stores to pull anti vaccine material. I wish this turd could get
    the Trump curse on him.

    Though I am a pro vacine person, I grew up in a time where vacine was not available and where I and other kids including my brother got all those diseass such as measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc. From what I saw of the suffering and some lifetime effects I still will fight against censorship.

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to ZAZZ on Sun Mar 3 16:02:00 2019
    Though I am a pro vacine person, I grew up in a time where vacine was not available and where I and other kids including my brother got all those diseass
    such as measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc. From what I saw of the suffering and
    some lifetime effects I still will fight against censorship.
    Im for a middle ground such as maybe going back to 1990 levels of
    vaccines. It seems its more pharmacutical companies making money than
    the health of the people. I used to think those people were kooks, but
    when perfectly healthy people get crippled after taking them, I see why
    they are upset.

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  • From Zazz@VERT/PBSYNC to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Mar 4 13:37:04 2019
    Re: Censorship
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to ZAZZ on Sun Mar 03 2019 11:02:00

    Im for a middle ground such as maybe going back to 1990 levels of
    vaccines. It seems its more pharmacutical companies making money than
    the health of the people. I used to think those people were kooks, but
    when perfectly healthy people get crippled after taking them, I see why
    they are upset.

    I'm for unbiased information provided by medical professionals who are not in any way tried to pharmacuticals, either directly or indirectly, on the benefit and possible effects.

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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Mar 4 15:20:59 2019
    Re: Censorship
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to ZAZZ on Sun Mar 03 2019 11:02 am

    vaccines. It seems its more pharmacutical companies making money than
    the health of the people. I used to think those people were kooks, but
    when perfectly healthy people get crippled after taking them, I see why

    Ther is no 100% perfect vaccine or drug. Everything has possible side effects. You just need to weigh the good vs the bad. For me, I'd rather take my risk with getting a side effect than getting Polio.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dmxrob on Tue Mar 5 12:16:00 2019
    On 03-04-19 10:20, Dmxrob wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-

    Ther is no 100% perfect vaccine or drug. Everything has possible side effects. You just need to weigh the good vs the bad. For me, I'd
    rather take my risk with getting a side effect than getting Polio.

    Yes, there's risks to everything. The trick is to get information, so you can weigh up the risks and benefits of each alternative, and come up with the lowest risk/highest benefit option. And yes, vaccines are known to cause injury, sometimes serious, but only in a very small number of people. Far lower than the risk of catching a debilitating disease if you do nothing.

    Some drugs, the alternatives may not be clearer. Years ago, I could have taken antidepressantsfor anxiety and depression, which might have helped at the time, but with a high risk of side effects. Instead, I intuitively discovered exervise was very beneficial, and also learned a few emotional self help techniques along the way. Today, I often joke that I take "large doses of iron and speed" (weights and track work) for mental health. Along the way, I also gained a lot of insight into the underlying causes.

    And yes, it also has side effects - like still being able to turn heads at 50! :D


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  • From Clifra@VERT/DOOBBS to Zazz on Wed Mar 6 20:14:18 2019
    Re: Censorship
    By: Zazz to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Mar 03 2019 04:28 pm


    Re: Censorship
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sat Mar 02 2019 08:49:00

    Congressman Adam Schiff is trying to pressure bookstores, media stores and digital stores to pull anti vaccine material. I wish this turd could get the Trump curse on him.

    Though I am a pro vacine person, I grew up in a time where vacine was not available and where I and other kids including my brother got all those dise such as measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc. From what I saw of the suffering a some lifetime effects I still will fight against censorship.

    Ruben Figueroa
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    Vaccines are fine when they are administered at the proper times and with the proper precautions. Administering a cocktail of multiple vaccines at the age of 18 months is IMO just dangerous. We do not really know what hyping up a babies immune system really does to them. Also, doctors need to check for Egg alergies. My grandson had a documented alergy to eggs and his doctor just went ahead and administered these egg grown vaccines. Within 18 months he showed signs of Asbergers syndrome. This is a child who could full on read at the age of 4 but now (even at 16) has social adjustment issues.

    Vaccines should be administered after the age of 4 or 5. I am sorry if that prevents you from putting you child in day care at 6 months. Time to be a parent.

    Do yo know you are legally prevented from ever bringing a lawsuit against a vaccine manufacturer or doctor for administering a vaccine? Well you are.

    A non-vacinnated person could live in the US for their entire life and not contract Measles because 98% of the population was either vacinated or had already contracted measles as a child. So where are these cases comming from? Illegal Immegration! Legal Immegrants need to show vaccination records.
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  • From Clifra@VERT/DOOBBS to Dmxrob on Wed Mar 6 20:17:19 2019
    Re: Censorship
    By: Dmxrob to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Mar 04 2019 10:20 am


    Ther is no 100% perfect vaccine or drug. Everything has possible side effect You just need to weigh the good vs the bad. For me, I'd rather take my risk with getting a side effect than getting Polio.


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    I agree with you but giving as many as 8-10 vaccines to achild a syoung as 12 months is just dangerous IMO. Wait unti the child is 4-5 when thier brain and social development is somewhag more advanced.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Clifra on Wed Mar 6 19:02:01 2019
    Re: Censorship
    By: Clifra to Zazz on Wed Mar 06 2019 03:14 pm

    the proper precautions. Administering a cocktail of multiple vaccines at the age of 18 months is IMO just dangerous. We do not really know what hyping up a babies immune system really does to them. Also, doctors need to check for Egg alergies. My grandson had a documented alergy to eggs and his doctor just went ahead and administered these egg grown vaccines. Within 18 months he showed signs of Asbergers syndrome. This is a child who could full on read at the age of 4 but now (even at 16) has social adjustment issues.

    They say there is no link between vaccinations and Aspergers syndrome. I was reading that there was a study some time ago that supposedly showed a link, but it has since been shown that that study was flawed and it has further been shown that there is no link.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Clifra on Thu Mar 7 18:36:00 2019
    On 03-06-19 15:14, Clifra wrote to Zazz <=-

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    Re: Censorship
    By: Zazz to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Mar 03 2019 04:28 pm


    Re: Censorship
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sat Mar 02 2019 08:49:00

    Congressman Adam Schiff is trying to pressure bookstores, media stores
    and digital stores to pull anti vaccine material. I wish this turd could get the Trump curse on him.

    Though I am a pro vacine person, I grew up in a time where vacine was not available and where I and other kids including my brother got all those dise such as measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc. From what I saw of the suffering a some lifetime effects I still will fight against censorship.

    Ruben Figueroa
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    Vaccines are fine when they are administered at the proper times and
    with the proper precautions. Administering a cocktail of multiple

    Agreed, they should be professionally administered.

    vaccines at the age of 18 months is IMO just dangerous. We do not
    really know what hyping up a babies immune system really does to them.

    One could argue that's better than being exposed to the actual disease!

    Also, doctors need to check for Egg alergies. My grandson had a

    Agree again - any potential allergy risk should be assessed before any vaccine is administered.

    documented alergy to eggs and his doctor just went ahead and
    administered these egg grown vaccines. Within 18 months he showed signs
    of Asbergers syndrome. This is a child who could full on read at the
    age of 4 but now (even at 16) has social adjustment issues.

    I agree re allergies, in fact, that's a good reason NOT to vaccinate, for those who are susceptible. But the rest of us should be vaccinated, barring other medical reasons. That way, "herd immunity" provides protection for those who can't be vaccinated. And the timeline for Aspergers would be when it becomes apparent in many kids due to increasing social demands and more milestones to go against. Correlation is not necessarily causation (I'd say probably not in this case). And often there's gifts that come along for the ride. Hope he's being encouraged to use his strengths.

    He'll likely have some degree of social adjustment issues for much of his life, until he can find his own crowd. But cause of autism spectrum conditions is most likely a combination of (many) genetic factors with environment, especially pre-natal having an effect.

    Oh, and that old chestnut of vaccines and autism, that's been debunked and the person who made those claims has been deregistered. But that issue keeps popping up, and it's a game of Whack a Mole to debunk it again. That's not to say that vaccines don't have issues, just that this isn't one of them.

    Vaccines should be administered after the age of 4 or 5. I am sorry if that prevents you from putting you child in day care at 6 months. Time
    to be a parent.

    And your scientific or medical credentials are? We don't magically "not get exposed" to disease organisms before the age of 4 or 5. So catching the disease for real is better? And our immune systems have to deal with multiple pathogens all the time (though most don't cause disease in healthy people).

    Disclaimer, I'm not a scientist, but I did grow on the usual kid's diet of mud pies (probably garnished with dog turds and the other things one finds outdoors. Interestingly, I have few allergies, and some opinions I've read that the prevalence of allergies these days is because our childhood environment is _too_ sterile, and the immune system acts like a bored militia, attacking any one thing, and doing more harm than good. Having harmless microorganisms to attack seems to be healthier than environmental sterility, from what I've read. :D ).


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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Thu Mar 7 02:12:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to Clifra <=-

    the proper precautions. Administering a cocktail of multiple vaccines at the age of 18 months is IMO just dangerous. We do not really know what hyping up a babies immune system really does to them. Also, doctors need to check for Egg alergies. My grandson had a documented alergy to eggs and his doctor just went ahead and administered these egg grown vaccines. Within 18 months he showed signs of Asbergers syndrome. This is a child who could full on read at the age of 4 but now (even at 16) has social adjustment issues.

    They say there is no link between vaccinations and Aspergers
    syndrome. I was reading that there was a study some time ago
    that supposedly showed a link, but it has since been shown that
    that study was flawed and it has further been shown that there is
    no link.

    I believe it is now generally accepted that there is no valid link
    between vaccinations and autism/Aspergers. It's pretty easy to
    research and the results are very clear.

    I say that anyone who does NOT get their child vaccinated is
    either ignorant or intentionally committing child abuse. In
    addition it has an effect on society in general. Vaccinations are
    why polio and many other diseases are virtually non-existant these
    days, at least in the USA.




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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Clifra on Thu Mar 7 02:19:00 2019
    Clifra wrote to Zazz <=-

    Vaccines are fine when they are administered at the proper times
    and with the proper precautions. Administering a cocktail of
    multiple vaccines at the age of 18 months is IMO just dangerous.
    We do not really know what hyping up a babies immune system
    really does to them. Also, doctors need to check for Egg
    alergies. My grandson had a documented alergy to eggs and his
    doctor just went ahead and administered these egg grown vaccines.
    Within 18 months he showed signs of Asbergers syndrome. This is a
    child who could full on read at the age of 4 but now (even at 16)
    has social adjustment issues.

    Sounds like your grandson's doctor is a quack. Certainly not the
    normal behavior of a competent modern-day doctor.

    Vaccines should be administered after the age of 4 or 5. I am
    sorry if that prevents you from putting you child in day care at
    6 months. Time to be a parent.

    Do yo know you are legally prevented from ever bringing a lawsuit
    against a vaccine manufacturer or doctor for administering a
    vaccine? Well you are.

    You're so full of sh^H^H knowledge that I can't decide whether you
    are a doctor, or a lawyer! Which are you?

    A non-vacinnated person could live in the US for their entire
    life and not contract Measles because 98% of the population was
    either vacinated or had already contracted measles as a child. So
    where are these cases comming from? Illegal Immegration! Legal
    Immegrants need to show vaccination records.

    The reason that (might) be true is that several generations of
    parents did the right thing and got their kids vaccinated. Do you
    not realize that? Why do you think MMR, polio, etc have been
    virtually eliminated? I do agree that illegal immigration is not
    a helpful factor in all this, but promoting non-vaccination of
    regular citizens is just not the right thing to do.



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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Clifra on Thu Mar 7 02:22:00 2019
    Clifra wrote to Dmxrob <=-

    Ther is no 100% perfect vaccine or drug. Everything has possible side effect You just need to weigh the good vs the bad. For me, I'd rather take my risk with getting a side effect than getting Polio.

    I agree with you but giving as many as 8-10 vaccines to achild a
    syoung as 12 months is just dangerous IMO. Wait unti the child is
    4-5 when thier brain and social development is somewhag more
    advanced.

    "IMO"? Are you a doctor? What FACTS contribute to your opinion?




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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dan Clough on Fri Mar 8 02:59:00 2019
    On 03-06-19 21:12, Dan Clough wrote to Nightfox <=-

    They say there is no link between vaccinations and Aspergers
    syndrome. I was reading that there was a study some time ago
    that supposedly showed a link, but it has since been shown that
    that study was flawed and it has further been shown that there is
    no link.

    The study that made the claim is so flawed that the researcher behind it was deregistered.

    I believe it is now generally accepted that there is no valid link
    between vaccinations and autism/Aspergers. It's pretty easy to
    research and the results are very clear.

    Among the research community, yes, and there has been further proof of the absence of a link in recent times.

    I say that anyone who does NOT get their child vaccinated is
    either ignorant or intentionally committing child abuse. In
    addition it has an effect on society in general. Vaccinations are
    why polio and many other diseases are virtually non-existant these
    days, at least in the USA.

    Unless there is a valid medical reason (severe allergies, etc), kids should be vaccinated at the appropriate times. It's a well proven preventative for many serious diseased with a very low risk of adverse effects.


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  • From Jagossel@VERT/DISCREAL to Dan Clough on Thu Mar 7 13:52:44 2019
    Re: Re: Censorship
    By: Dan Clough to Nightfox on Wed Mar 06 2019 09:12 pm

    They say there is no link between vaccinations and Aspergers
    syndrome. I was reading that there was a study some time ago
    that supposedly showed a link, but it has since been shown that
    that study was flawed and it has further been shown that there is
    no link.

    I believe it is now generally accepted that there is no valid link
    between vaccinations and autism/Aspergers. It's pretty easy to
    research and the results are very clear.

    From personal experience, I had my vaccinations and I turned out just fine, and my kids are vaccinated as well and both of them are fine. Granted my son might be high functioning Autistic, but that is from other different factors like (1) we didn't know about him until my wife was 5 to 6 months pregenant (showed no signs of pregnancy until then) which lead us to not have him better prepared, and (2) there were complications during the labor and delivery. My daughter on the other hand, we knew right away and we were better prepared for her. She too is vaccinated and she is fine.

    My case in point: I believe that pregnancy, labor, and delivery has more impact than vaccinations ever will. Which is why I never bought into this whole "vaccinations causes kids to be Autistic" crap. I completely disregard the argument against vaccinations as I did with the lame statement of cooking with aluminum foil leads to Alzhimers.

    I say that anyone who does NOT get their child vaccinated is
    either ignorant or intentionally committing child abuse. In
    addition it has an effect on society in general. Vaccinations are
    why polio and many other diseases are virtually non-existant these
    days, at least in the USA.

    I wouldn't go as far as calling it child abuse, but I will say willfully ignorant. May it never be, but should their kids come down with the Measels or Mumps, they will have deal with the worry, heartache, and potientally greif from making that choice to not vaccinate their kids.

    I get that vaccinations are just weakened or dead forms of the disease, but it's enough for the immune system to rid of it, learn what it is, and be better prepared to fight against it in the future. That's all it is. Honestly, I don't like the fact that I am having my kids purposely be "infected" with these weak or dead diseases, but I know the benefit is far better for them than not having the vaccination in the first place.

    Personally, I just understand why parents would not choose to vaccinate other than they are more scared of what is not likely to happen than what could be very likely to happen. I get that (at least here in USA) there are slim chances of getting these diseases, but we have to acknowledge it's from various factors like vaccinations and good washing and cleaning practices.

    I apologize for the long messsge, but good night, I have to deal with this topic at church (of all places)!

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MATTHEW MUNSON on Thu Mar 7 18:39:23 2019
    Re: Censorship
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sat Mar 02 2019 08:49 am

    Congressman Adam Schiff is trying to pressure bookstores, media stores and digital stores to pull anti vaccine material. I wish this turd could get the Trump curse on him.

    I'm definitely anti-censorship.

    This anti-vaccination crap though scares the bejeesus out of me. My wife has a very weak immune system, and I fear the only thing keeping her safe from some of these diseases is herd immunity. The more nutjobs that read this anti-vax stuff and believe it, the more dangerous it is for her to go out into the world.

    Why was the anti-vaxxer's 3 year old crying?

    They were having mid-life crisis.


    Anti-Vax jokes are the new dead-baby jokes.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Clifra on Thu Mar 7 19:27:35 2019
    Re: Censorship
    By: Clifra to Zazz on Wed Mar 06 2019 03:14 pm

    Vaccines are fine when they are administered at the proper times and with the proper precautions. Administering a cocktail of multiple vaccines at the age of 18 months is IMO just dangerous.
    The Key here: "IMO" Your opinion is not based upon scientific consensus.

    We do not really know what
    hyping up a babies immune system really does to them.
    "We" do, actually. and by "We" I don't mean me or you, but those who spend the better part of a decade being educated about such things, and then even more time researching and experimenting.

    Also, doctors need to check for Egg alergies.
    Agreed, that's important.

    My grandson had a documented alergy to eggs and
    his doctor just went ahead and administered these egg grown vaccines.

    Shame on that Doctor. That's grounds for a malpractice suit, especially if the child went into Anaphalactic shock.

    Within 18 months he showed signs of Asbergers syndrome. This is a child who could full on read at the age of 4 but now (even at 16) has social adjustment issues.

    Wait, what? That's not now egg allergies work. Egg allergies can cause hives, shortness of breath, asthma-like symptoms and even anaphylaxis. It doesn't cause autism, or anything approaching autism, such as Aspbergers.

    Neither do vaccines. All studies that claim such have been thoroughly debunked and in some cases, the authors have had their medical licenses taken away.

    Vaccines should be administered after the age of 4 or 5. I am sorry if that prevents you from putting you child in day care at 6 months. Time to be a parent.

    Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man. Pardon me if I take the suggestion of those who have decades of education and experience over someone who reads some blogs on the internet.

    Do yo know you are legally prevented from ever bringing a lawsuit against a vaccine manufacturer or doctor for administering a vaccine? Well you are.

    There is actually a "Vaccine court" where such claims are handled. And it only applies if a vaccine is "properly prepared and is accompanied by proper directions and warnings". If a vaccine containing albumen was delivered to a child with a known egg alergy, that's on the doctor and a malpractice suit could commence.

    A non-vacinnated person could live in the US for their entire life and not contract Measles because 98% of the population was either vacinated or had already contracted measles as a child. So where are these cases comming from? Illegal Immegration! Legal Immegrants need to show vaccination records.
    I see you understand how herd immunity works. You've basically just made the argument for making sure everyone is vaccinated. If someone comes in with one of these diseases, it is unlikely to spread due to everyone being vaccinated. When those rates fall from 98% to 95%, outbreaks like what we currently see happen, and those with weakened immune systems die.


    Vaccines are important. They don't cause autism. They're a big part of the reason the average life expectancy isn't 40 years old, anymore.

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  • From Clifra@VERT/DOOBBS to Nightfox on Fri Mar 8 15:40:32 2019
    Re: Censorship
    By: Nightfox to Clifra on Wed Mar 06 2019 02:02 pm

    Re: Censorship
    They say there is no link between vaccinations and Aspergers syndrome. I was reading that there was a study some time ago that supposedly showed a link, it has since been shown that that study was flawed and it has further been shown that there is no link.

    Nightfox

    They say! I'm sorry I just don't believe them. When I was a child we got many vaccinations when we were in school and I never saw anyone develope any Autistic symptoms. It was literaly unheard of then. Why do these companies need legal protection from lawsuits of they are so safe! I'm not saying I have evidence they are causing harm, what I am saying is we need to be more careful. Like I said, we all knew my grandson had an alergy to eggs, even his doctor and all these vaccines are developed using chicken eggs. His doctor never even considered that this would be an issue. What is an alergy but an overreaction of the immune system. These vaccines are designed to cause the immune system to react and create anti-bodies. Combine the 2 and what do you get? I don't know but it needs to be considered. What harm would it do to wait? Take precautions during those 1-4 years. I am somewhat of a conservative but I would support some assistance so families do not have to put their children in daycare at age 0-4.

    Another story, and this is an adult. My son-in-law was given the Anthrax vaccine diring the Iraq war. 3 years later he developed a raging alergic reaction to Aspergillus. A fungus that is literally so prevelent the spores are inescapable anywhere in the world unless you ware a .3 micron filter mask all the time. This nearly killed him and he has some minor but permanent brain damage because of this. It ended his military career. Aspergillus and Anthrax are both a fungus! Coincendence? Maybe, but I just do not believe in coincendences.

    To many shortcuts are taken in medicine. Look in the news today about the FDA hiding device failures from doctors. For YEARS!


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  • From Clifra@VERT/DOOBBS to Vk3jed on Fri Mar 8 15:56:38 2019
    Re: Re: Censorship
    By: Vk3jed to Clifra on Thu Mar 07 2019 01:36 pm

    One could argue that's better than being exposed to the actual disease!

    I agree, I just don't see the problem with waiting until the child has had time to develope more. I know it is hard because people have to work and I think we should do something to help.

    I know about all the studies but when you have a personnal small group where you know 7 children from different parents and 3 out of the 7 have some form of Autistic syndrom it just makes you go Hmmmm! What are the common factors?

    I am not saying Autism is "only" caused by vaccines. I don't even know if it is. But another factor I have come to believe in is that children under the age of 5 should have limited TV and device time. They should not be sitting in from the the TV for hours or on a computer, tablet or phone for hours on end. I believe it stifles their social development. I believe that some children with Autism never properly learn to talk and communicate and that shows in their behavior. I am not an expert, just my opinion based on observations.

    Thank you for you concern about my Grandson. Yes, he does have some advanced abilities. In some things he is scary smart. Math for instance. But does have some social issues. It is getting better now that he is older. Plus he has a girlfriend now, which is like, really awesome!


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  • From Clifra@VERT/DOOBBS to Dan Clough on Fri Mar 8 16:03:56 2019
    Re: Re: Censorship
    By: Dan Clough to Nightfox on Wed Mar 06 2019 09:12 pm

    I believe it is now generally accepted that there is no valid link
    between vaccinations and autism/Aspergers. It's pretty easy to
    research and the results are very clear.

    I say that anyone who does NOT get their child vaccinated is
    either ignorant or intentionally committing child abuse. In
    addition it has an effect on society in general. Vaccinations are
    why polio and many other diseases are virtually non-existant these
    days, at least in the USA.

    I'm sorry, anytime someone uses the term "accepted" or "settled' about anything concerning science I get very suspicious. Nothing in science is every settled. We have seen many things over the years that were consider Scientific fact that have been proven wrong. Some of these have caused many deaths. Trans Fats for instance.

    Anyone who allows a child to grow to adulthood without getting vaccinated is a dangerous fool. All I say is wait. Give the childs brain time to develop before you atart shoving a bunch of pathogens into them and cranking up their immune system.


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  • From Clifra@VERT/DOOBBS to Dan Clough on Fri Mar 8 16:10:21 2019
    Re: Re: Censorship
    By: Dan Clough to Clifra on Wed Mar 06 2019 09:19 pm

    Sounds like your grandson's doctor is a quack. Certainly not the
    normal behavior of a competent modern-day doctor.

    United States Navy! Need I say more!?


    Do yo know you are legally prevented from ever bringing a lawsuit
    against a vaccine manufacturer or doctor for administering a
    vaccine? Well you are.

    You're so full of sh^H^H knowledge that I can't decide whether you
    are a doctor, or a lawyer! Which are you?

    "The United States Supreme Court reached a decision recently, concluding that federal law protects vaccine makers from product-liability lawsuits that are filed in state courts and seek damages for injuries or death attributed to a vaccine."
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf
    Yeah, I am so full of Sh*t!

    The reason that (might) be true is that several generations of
    parents did the right thing and got their kids vaccinated. Do you
    not realize that? Why do you think MMR, polio, etc have been
    virtually eliminated? I do agree that illegal immigration is not
    a helpful factor in all this, but promoting non-vaccination of
    regular citizens is just not the right thing to do.

    It has already been established that the measles outbreak in the Northwest US was caused by an illegal immegrant.

    As I have stated many times here. Anyone who alows their shild to grow to adulthood with vaccinations is a dangerous fool. I just don't see th eproblem with waiting until the age of 4 or 5 to start administering these vaccines.


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  • From Clifra@VERT/DOOBBS to Dan Clough on Fri Mar 8 16:37:24 2019
    Re: Re: Censorship
    By: Dan Clough to Clifra on Wed Mar 06 2019 09:22 pm

    "IMO"? Are you a doctor? What FACTS contribute to your opinion?

    Personal observations of my circle of friends. 3 out of 7 children born within 2 years of each other with Autistic syndromes. I have done quite a bit of research on this and yes most of the anti-vaccers out there are quacks and kooks! But IMO there are still questions that need to be asked and answered. Nothing in science is settled and I distrust anyone who says it is!

    I am not a doctor but I am a scientifically trained person who can think and observer cause and effect. My main point has always been that I do not say people should not get vaccinated. Just that we should wait until the childs brain has had more time to develop. I know that makes it hard for people who work and I am in favor of doing things to help with that. In no way would I support a child starting public school without being vaccinated. I also believe there are other factors involved with Autism such as using television and technology as a baby sitter and not properly interacting with your child. Lack of properly developed communications skills is "I think" a contributing factor.

    BTW your response just show a lack of debating skills. Responding with "Are you a doctor?" does not rebutt any of my points. No, I am not a doctor but would you like to discuss injuries and treatment to the elbows? Specifically radius head fractures? Because I can discuss that subject in great detail and as well as any orthopedic surgion you can find! Having suffered this very painfull and dabilitating injury that has left me in pain for over 30 years I have researched it extensively.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Clifra on Fri Mar 8 15:11:58 2019
    Re: Censorship
    By: Clifra to Nightfox on Fri Mar 08 2019 10:40 am

    They say there is no link between vaccinations and Aspergers syndrome.

    They say! I'm sorry I just don't believe them. When I was a child we got many vaccinations when we were in school and I never saw anyone develope any Autistic symptoms. It was literaly unheard of then. Why do these companies need legal protection from lawsuits of they are so safe! I'm not

    I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. You say you never saw anyone develop autistic symptoms after getting vaccinated, but you also seem to say the vaccinations aren't safe.

    Another story, and this is an adult. My son-in-law was given the Anthrax vaccine diring the Iraq war. 3 years later he developed a raging alergic reaction to Aspergillus. A fungus that is literally so prevelent the spores are inescapable anywhere in the world unless you ware a .3 micron filter mask all the time. This nearly killed him and he has some minor but permanent brain damage because of this. It ended his military career. Aspergillus and Anthrax are both a fungus! Coincendence? Maybe, but I just do not believe in coincendences.

    3 years later? That seems like a long enough timespan that pretty much anything could have happened. Also, I have heard that people can develop allergies at any time in their life.

    To many shortcuts are taken in medicine. Look in the news today about the FDA hiding device failures from doctors. For YEARS!

    Maybe, but I also thought medical companies had to do trials and tests for 30 years before a drug is put on the market.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Clifra on Fri Mar 8 15:18:57 2019
    Re: Re: Censorship
    By: Clifra to Dan Clough on Fri Mar 08 2019 11:03 am

    I'm sorry, anytime someone uses the term "accepted" or "settled' about anything concerning science I get very suspicious. Nothing in science is every settled. We have seen many things over the years that were consider Scientific fact that have been proven wrong. Some of these have caused many deaths. Trans Fats for instance.

    That's true about science: It's all about showing how things work, one way or another, and accepting the conclusion found from the research.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Clifra on Fri Mar 8 23:40:00 2019
    Clifra wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    I believe it is now generally accepted that there is no valid link
    between vaccinations and autism/Aspergers. It's pretty easy to
    research and the results are very clear.

    I say that anyone who does NOT get their child vaccinated is
    either ignorant or intentionally committing child abuse. In
    addition it has an effect on society in general. Vaccinations are
    why polio and many other diseases are virtually non-existant these
    days, at least in the USA.

    I'm sorry, anytime someone uses the term "accepted" or "settled'
    about anything concerning science I get very suspicious. Nothing
    in science is every settled. We have seen many things over the
    years that were consider Scientific fact that have been proven
    wrong. Some of these have caused many deaths. Trans Fats for
    instance.

    That term is used all the time in science discussion. Some things
    *ARE* settled fact, although I'll agree that some things have
    changed over time.

    Anyone who allows a child to grow to adulthood without getting
    vaccinated is a dangerous fool. All I say is wait. Give the
    childs brain time to develop before you atart shoving a bunch of
    pathogens into them and cranking up their immune system.

    Well that's sort of my point. No offense intended, but who are
    "you" to say anyone should wait? The doctors and researchers who
    decided that child vaccinations should be done earlier than that
    didn't just pull that plan out of their asses. There must be
    reasons for them doing that, and they know more than you or I
    about all of this. Right?

    With the disclaimer that I also am not a doctor, I don't think a
    vaccination has anything to do with giving a child's brain "time
    to develop". It's to make the body generate anti-bodies and has
    really nothing to do with "brain development".



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Clifra on Fri Mar 8 23:47:00 2019
    Clifra wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Sounds like your grandson's doctor is a quack. Certainly not the
    normal behavior of a competent modern-day doctor.

    United States Navy! Need I say more!?

    Well, I don't know. I was treated by Navy doctors for 25+ years
    (as an adult) and don't seem to have suffered any ill effects. My
    two children were vaccinated in Navy hospitals and have turned out
    fine. Which of course proves nothing, including that Navy doctors
    are any better/worse than any other doctor.

    Do yo know you are legally prevented from ever bringing a lawsuit
    against a vaccine manufacturer or doctor for administering a
    vaccine? Well you are.

    You're so full of sh^H^H knowledge that I can't decide whether you
    are a doctor, or a lawyer! Which are you?

    "The United States Supreme Court reached a decision recently,
    concluding that federal law protects vaccine makers from
    product-liability lawsuits that are filed in state courts and
    seek damages for injuries or death attributed to a vaccine." https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf
    Yeah, I am so full of Sh*t!

    Yeah, OK... but that's a little misleading. Parents can still
    file lawsuits and receive compensation, just not from the vaccine
    maker. Not much different than any other medication in that
    aspect.

    As I have stated many times here. Anyone who alows their shild to
    grow to adulthood with vaccinations is a dangerous fool. I just
    don't see th eproblem with waiting until the age of 4 or 5 to
    start administering these vaccines.

    Again... no offense, but what value does your opinion ("I just
    don't see the problem with waiting...") have in this matter? It
    is the opinion of *GENERATIONS* of *DOCTORS* and *RESEARCHERS*
    that it should be done earlier than that.

    <SHRUG>



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Clifra on Fri Mar 8 23:58:00 2019
    Clifra wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    "IMO"? Are you a doctor? What FACTS contribute to your opinion?

    Personal observations of my circle of friends. 3 out of 7
    children born within 2 years of each other with Autistic
    syndromes. I have done quite a bit of research on this and yes
    most of the anti-vaccers out there are quacks and kooks! But IMO
    there are still questions that need to be asked and answered.
    Nothing in science is settled and I distrust anyone who says it
    is!

    Well, that sucks, and that is certainly a high number of issues,
    statistically speaking. See below...

    I am not a doctor but I am a scientifically trained person who
    can think and observer cause and effect. My main point has always
    been that I do not say people should not get vaccinated. Just
    that we should wait until the childs brain has had more time to
    develop. I know that makes it hard for people who work and I am
    in favor of doing things to help with that. In no way would I
    support a child starting public school without being vaccinated.
    I also believe there are other factors involved with Autism such
    as using television and technology as a baby sitter and not
    properly interacting with your child. Lack of properly developed communications skills is "I think" a contributing factor.

    I would agree that all of the factors you mention are HIGHLY
    likely to have an effect. So, back to the first paragraph you
    wrote above - is there anything in common with those 3 children
    who had issues? Parenting styles, lack of communicating, too much
    TV, etc....? Could that explain it?

    BTW your response just show a lack of debating skills. Responding
    with "Are you a doctor?" does not rebutt any of my points.

    Well sure it does. You keep on throwing out things like: "I don't
    see the harm in waiting 4-5 years" and "give the kids brain time
    to develop", and so on. Those statements don't hold any water
    unless you're basing them on some medical evidence or are
    medically trained to where your opinion means anything. See?

    No, I
    am not a doctor but would you like to discuss injuries and
    treatment to the elbows? Specifically radius head fractures?
    Because I can discuss that subject in great detail and as well as
    any orthopedic surgion you can find! Having suffered this very
    painfull and dabilitating injury that has left me in pain for
    over 30 years I have researched it extensively.

    No, I wouldn't like to discus it. Completely different thing and
    irrelevant to the ongoing discussion.

    Look, here's the bottom line as I see it: Yes, there *COULD* be
    potential issues with vaccines. Everything has a risk that comes
    with the benefits it offers. The question becomes: Do the
    benefits outweigh the risks, and should the procedure be done? In
    my opinion, yes, vaccinations should be done, and done at the
    time/interval specified by medical professionals. It's not
    perfect science, but it's the best thing we've got to go on. For
    certain it is better than not getting vaccinated, based on the
    rantings and ravings of a miniscule number non-medical folks who
    for whatever reason have had a bad experience, and published
    something on the Internet.

    Cheers.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Clifra on Sun Mar 10 02:39:34 2019
    Re: Re: Censorship
    By: Clifra to Dan Clough on Fri Mar 08 2019 11:37 am

    Personal observations of my circle of friends. 3 out of 7 children born within 2 years of each other with Autistic syndromes. I have done quite a


    i think you are onto something here. this mirrors what is going on with my friends with autistic kids.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Clifra on Sun Mar 10 02:47:00 2019
    On 03-08-19 10:56, Clifra wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    One could argue that's better than being exposed to the actual disease!

    I agree, I just don't see the problem with waiting until the child has
    had time to develope more. I know it is hard because people have to
    work and I think we should do something to help.

    You haven't given anything to back up that argument.

    I know about all the studies but when you have a personnal small group where you know 7 children from different parents and 3 out of the 7
    have some form of Autistic syndrom it just makes you go Hmmmm! What are the common factors?

    Well, if it's in Silicon Valley, it's a concentration of those genetic factors.

    I am not saying Autism is "only" caused by vaccines. I don't even know
    if it is. But another factor I have come to believe in is that children

    Links have been disproven by studies.

    under the age of 5 should have limited TV and device time. They should
    not be sitting in from the the TV for hours or on a computer, tablet or phone for hours on end. I believe it stifles their social development.

    I've seen evidence that suggests you're right on this one.

    I believe that some children with Autism never properly learn to talk
    and communicate and that shows in their behavior. I am not an expert,
    just my opinion based on observations.

    This is true, some never learn to talk, many do. But that doesn't make them any less. Some of those who don't speak also have very high intelligence, though it's harder to measure accurately.

    Thank you for you concern about my Grandson. Yes, he does have some advanced abilities. In some things he is scary smart. Math for
    instance. But does have some social issues. It is getting better now
    that he is older. Plus he has a girlfriend now, which is like, really awesome!

    I'm concerned because of stigma and misinformation about autism. But those who learn to him reap rewards. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to DaiTengu on Sun Mar 10 19:58:00 2019
    On 03-07-19 13:39, DaiTengu wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-

    This anti-vaccination crap though scares the bejeesus out of me. My
    wife has a very weak immune system, and I fear the only thing keeping
    her safe from some of these diseases is herd immunity. The more
    nutjobs that read this anti-vax stuff and believe it, the more
    dangerous it is for her to go out into the world.

    This is why I believe anyone who can be vaccinated should be - not just to protect themselves, but also those who can't be vaccinated, through herd immunity. But herd immunity requires an overwhelming majority of people to be vaccinated.

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    LOL true. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to DaiTengu on Sun Mar 10 20:04:00 2019
    On 03-07-19 14:27, DaiTengu wrote to Clifra <=-

    Shame on that Doctor. That's grounds for a malpractice suit,
    especially if the child went into Anaphalactic shock.

    Agreed.

    Within 18 months he showed signs of Asbergers syndrome. This is a child who could full on read at the age of 4 but now (even at 16) has social adjustment issues.

    Wait, what? That's not now egg allergies work. Egg allergies can cause hives, shortness of breath, asthma-like symptoms and even anaphylaxis. It doesn't cause autism, or anything approaching autism,
    such as Aspbergers.

    I'd say that's a case of correlation not equalling causation. He was already autistic, but the signs weren't obvious until 18 months later. That's not unusual.

    Neither do vaccines. All studies that claim such have been thoroughly debunked and in some cases, the authors have had their medical licenses taken away.

    Yep, google "Andrew Wakefield" in regards to this. He's the one who had his license to practice medicine revoked after it was revealed his study was seriously flawed, if not fraudulent.

    Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man. Pardon me if I take
    the suggestion of those who have decades of education and experience
    over someone who reads some blogs on the internet.

    Sure, sometimes the medical profession get things wrong, but on vaccination, I trust them, vaccines have been proven over decades to be a safe and effective means of preventing disease. That doesn't mean "risk free", but more "risk <<<< benefits".

    Vaccines are important. They don't cause autism. They're a big part of
    the reason the average life expectancy isn't 40 years old, anymore.

    Exactly!


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Clifra on Sun Mar 10 20:14:00 2019
    On 03-08-19 10:40, Clifra wrote to Nightfox <=-

    They say! I'm sorry I just don't believe them. When I was a child we
    got many vaccinations when we were in school and I never saw anyone develope any Autistic symptoms. It was literaly unheard of then. Why do

    You probably did, but didn't know it. Everyone will remember the "class nerd" or "weirdo". And many of these people have since been diagnosed in adulthood, sometimes well into middle age or later (like a close friend of mine, diagnosed at almost 64). And further exampnation reveals family links - parents, kids (many adults get diagnosed after their kids do) or siblings also have autistic traits.

    It was unheard of then, because of lack of awareness. What was known (until 2013 in the USA, when the DSM 5 removed the classification) as "Asperger's Syndrome" was only documented in the English speaking world in 1992. Prior to then, these people didn't really meet any diagnostic criteria, but were sometimes misdiagnosed with schizophrenia or some other mental illness.

    are developed using chicken eggs. His doctor never even considered that this would be an issue. What is an alergy but an overreaction of the immune system. These vaccines are designed to cause the immune system

    My own belief is that allergies have more to do with the sterile environments we raise kids in these days. Back when I was a kid, we played outside, got dirty and it was just what we did. Mum wasn't going around the house spraying disinfectant and trying to destroy every last germ. And severe allergic reactions were rare. We might have heard the story about the one kid that couldn't be stung by a bee or eat peanuts, but it was far from common. But slick marketing by hygiene product manufacturers has more people using these products, and giving developing immune systems less benign microbes to "train" on.

    Another story, and this is an adult. My son-in-law was given the
    Anthrax vaccine diring the Iraq war. 3 years later he developed a
    raging alergic reaction to Aspergillus. A fungus that is literally so prevelent the spores are inescapable anywhere in the world unless you
    ware a .3 micron filter mask all the time. This nearly killed him and
    he has some minor but permanent brain damage because of this. It ended
    his military career. Aspergillus and Anthrax are both a fungus! Coincendence? Maybe, but I just do not believe in coincendences.

    No one is saying vaccines are risk free, but one has to look at the probability of this happening, versus the benefits. Perhaps he was simply unlucky and the one in however many who do have a bad reaction. Statistics please.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Clifra on Sun Mar 10 20:27:00 2019
    On 03-08-19 11:37, Clifra wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Personal observations of my circle of friends. 3 out of 7 children born within 2 years of each other with Autistic syndromes. I have done quite

    I would need to know more about the backgrounds of these people. There are certain populations that have a known higher rate of autism. The best known example is Silicon Valley, which occurs because of the tech industries there. Autism offers a number of advantages to people working in tech, especially software develpment and testing. So much so that tech companies are now actively recruiting autistic people. So these people work, then meet, get barried, have kids, and hey presto! There's an "autism hotspot".

    Other populations tend to be around pursuits where deep interests can be nurtured and celebrated. Examples include technology, ham radio, BBSs (yep, I suspect our autistic proportion is higher than average), and some creative interests (not all autistics are tech heads - an equal proportion are extremely creative).

    In Steve Silberman's book "Neurotribes", which is about the history of our understanding of autism talks a lot about the places where autistic people hung out from the mid 20th century onwards (ham radio, fandom, etc). Well worth a read. And it shows the wrong roads the medical professions took over the
    ears.

    a bit of research on this and yes most of the anti-vaccers out there
    are quacks and kooks! But IMO there are still questions that need to be asked and answered. Nothing in science is settled and I distrust anyone who says it is!

    I agree, it's healthy to keep asking questions, so research can be conducted to try and prove the status quo wrong. That is good science! But at the same time, one has to keep in mind the difference between science and opinion. By all means, ask questions, but see where the science leads.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sun Mar 10 20:29:00 2019
    On 03-08-19 10:18, Nightfox wrote to Clifra <=-

    That's true about science: It's all about showing how things work, one
    way or another, and accepting the conclusion found from the research.

    And I agree that science should always be open to question - but then research needs to be conducted to answer those questions. Scientific knownedge has to follow the evidence where it leads - even if it gives answers we don't want to hear.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Gamgee on Sun Mar 10 20:31:00 2019
    On 03-08-19 18:58, Gamgee wrote to Clifra <=-

    who had issues? Parenting styles, lack of communicating, too much
    TV, etc....? Could that explain it?

    The "refrigerator mother" theory was disproved decades ago.


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  • From Thumper@VERT/THEWASTE to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sat Mar 30 18:30:02 2019
    When I went into the Army we walked down a line getting shots in both arms for everything under the sun, I remember being so sick afterwords but never even got a cold for years after. Not sure if it is a good idea for very small children though especially after seeing effects in my kids and grandkids. ADHD and more.... Maybe vaccines, maybe environmental, maybe life today....


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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to All on Tue Oct 5 19:31:00 2021
    They said we need internet censorship because Russia.
    They said we need internet censorship because Covid.
    They said we need internet censorship because 1/6.
    Now they say we need internet censorship because Facebook whistleblower.

    Pretty sure they just want internet censorship.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MATTHEW MUNSON on Tue Oct 5 22:52:23 2021
    Re: Censorship
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Tue Oct 05 2021 07:31 pm

    They said we need internet censorship because Russia.
    They said we need internet censorship because Covid.
    They said we need internet censorship because 1/6.
    Now they say we need internet censorship because Facebook whistleblower.

    Pretty sure they just want internet censorship.

    FCK Twitter, FCK FACEBOOK and FCK GOOGLE.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Oct 6 08:09:00 2021
    MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to All <=-

    Pretty sure they just want internet censorship.

    What they want is to be able to control all communications so that they can control the Narrative that they push and not allow anyone to question it.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Oct 6 15:07:24 2021
    Re: Censorship
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Tue Oct 05 2021 07:31 pm

    They said we need internet censorship because Russia.
    They said we need internet censorship because Covid.
    They said we need internet censorship because 1/6.
    Now they say we need internet censorship because Facebook whistleblower.

    Pretty sure they just want internet censorship.

    What did happen with Facebook whistleblowers? Did somebody expose any uicy information
    regarding Zuckberg's plan for world domination?

    Is there finally any evidence that Facebook and Google are in a shadow war for the
    control of Earth, unknown to everybody else and only known as "The Masquerade" by the
    few enligthened?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Wed Oct 6 21:43:10 2021
    Re: Censorship
    By: Arelor to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Oct 06 2021 03:07 pm


    Is there finally any evidence that Facebook and Google are in a shadow war for the control of Earth, unknown to everybody else and only known as "The Masquerade" by the few enligthened?


    there's stuff that happens once in a while. stuff gets leaked out. emails, zoom video.

    it doesnt matter because they control how people think. they move on.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Arelor on Wed Oct 6 22:58:34 2021
    Re: Censorship
    By: Arelor to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Oct 06 2021 03:07 pm

    They said we need internet censorship because Russia.
    They said we need internet censorship because Covid.
    They said we need internet censorship because 1/6.
    Now they say we need internet censorship because Facebook
    whistleblower.

    What did happen with Facebook whistleblowers? Did somebody expose any uicy information regarding Zuckberg's plan for world domination?


    Turns out the Lady whistle blower is a communist that is trying to get a government job.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Denn on Thu Oct 7 05:55:22 2021
    Re: Censorship
    By: Denn to Arelor on Wed Oct 06 2021 10:58 pm

    Re: Censorship
    By: Arelor to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Oct 06 2021 03:07 pm

    They said we need internet censorship because Russia.
    They said we need internet censorship because Covid.
    They said we need internet censorship because 1/6.
    Now they say we need internet censorship because Facebook
    whistleblower.

    What did happen with Facebook whistleblowers? Did somebody expose any uicy information regarding Zuckberg's plan for world domination?


    Turns out the Lady whistle blower is a communist that is trying to get a government job.


    Well I still don't know what happened :-(

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Thu Oct 7 09:00:31 2021
    Re: Censorship
    By: Denn to Arelor on Wed Oct 06 2021 10:58 pm

    Re: Censorship
    By: Arelor to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Oct 06 2021 03:07 pm

    They said we need internet censorship because Russia.
    They said we need internet censorship because Covid.
    They said we need internet censorship because 1/6.
    Now they say we need internet censorship because Facebook
    whistleblower.

    What did happen with Facebook whistleblowers? Did somebody expose any uicy information regarding Zuckberg's plan for world domination?


    Turns out the Lady whistle blower is a communist that is trying to get a government job.


    i dont care if she wears a kkk hood and gets an abortion every month. what she's saying is probably true.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Thu Oct 7 09:01:08 2021
    Re: Censorship
    By: Arelor to Denn on Thu Oct 07 2021 05:55 am

    Well I still don't know what happened :-(


    they were fucking with people and fucking with elections
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Arelor on Thu Oct 7 09:23:47 2021
    Re: Censorship
    By: Arelor to Denn on Thu Oct 07 2021 05:55 am

    What did happen with Facebook whistleblowers? Did somebody expose
    any uicy information regarding Zuckberg's plan for world
    domination?


    Turns out the Lady whistle blower is a communist that is trying to
    get a government job.


    Well I still don't know what happened :-(

    I listened to her testimony and she was trying to manipulate the Government into creating a new agency that she could run.
    She is a commie IMHO.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Oct 7 09:28:30 2021
    Re: Censorship
    By: MRO to Denn on Thu Oct 07 2021 09:00 am

    Turns out the Lady whistle blower is a communist that is trying to
    get a government job.


    i dont care if she wears a kkk hood and gets an abortion every month. what she's saying is probably true.

    I listened to her testimony and I don't trust her.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Thu Oct 7 09:29:38 2021
    Re: Censorship
    By: MRO to Arelor on Thu Oct 07 2021 09:01 am

    Well I still don't know what happened :-(


    they were fucking with people and fucking with elections

    That is true, and so was Twatter.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Thu Oct 7 11:37:56 2021
    Re: Censorship
    By: Denn to MRO on Thu Oct 07 2021 09:28 am

    Re: Censorship
    By: MRO to Denn on Thu Oct 07 2021 09:00 am

    Turns out the Lady whistle blower is a communist that is trying to
    get a government job.


    i dont care if she wears a kkk hood and gets an abortion every month. what she's saying is probably true.

    I listened to her testimony and I don't trust her.

    i trust what she's saying based on facebook's track record.
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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to DR. WHAT on Thu Oct 7 19:29:00 2021
    What they want is to be able to control all communications so that they can control the Narrative that they push and not allow anyone to question it.
    If worse comes to worse i'll get a Windows virual hosting in Poland and
    host my bbs there :)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MATTHEW MUNSON on Fri Oct 8 07:02:00 2021
    MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    What they want is to be able to control all communications so that they can control the Narrative that they push and not allow anyone to question it.
    If worse comes to worse i'll get a Windows virual hosting in Poland and host my bbs there :)

    I'm hoping for Sweden or Iceland - a data center with natural cooling. :)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sat Oct 9 03:57:39 2021
    Re: Re: Censorship
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to DR. WHAT on Thu Oct 07 2021 07:29 pm

    What they want is to be able to control all communications so that they can control the Narrative that they push and not allow anyone to question it.
    If worse comes to worse i'll get a Windows virual hosting in Poland and
    host my bbs there :)

    why would it be poland
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Fri Oct 22 22:55:38 2021
    On 10/7/21 7:00 AM, MRO wrote:

    Turns out the Lady whistle blower is a communist that is trying
    to get a government job.

    i dont care if she wears a kkk hood and gets an abortion every
    month. what she's saying is probably true.

    She's saying we need the government to step in a expand censorship.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Oct 22 23:02:11 2021
    On 10/8/21 7:02 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    What they want is to be able to control all communications so
    that they can control the Narrative that they push and not
    allow anyone to question it.>> MM> If worse comes to worse
    i'll get a Windows virual hosting in Poland and host my bbs
    there :)

    I'm hoping for Sweden or Iceland - a data center with natural
    cooling. :)

    Amsterdam might be one of the better options as well.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Sat Oct 23 03:33:29 2021
    Re: Re: Censorship
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Fri Oct 22 2021 10:55 pm

    i dont care if she wears a kkk hood and gets an abortion every
    month. what she's saying is probably true.

    She's saying we need the government to step in a expand censorship.

    maybe we do need the govt to censor how evil companies like facebook, google, twitter and CNN behave, voice and promote.

    they're manipulative, evil companies.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Sat Oct 23 03:33:59 2021
    Re: Re: Censorship
    By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Oct 22 2021 11:02 pm

    On 10/8/21 7:02 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    What they want is to be able to control all communications so
    that they can control the Narrative that they push and not
    allow anyone to question it.>> MM> If worse comes to worse
    i'll get a Windows virual hosting in Poland and host my bbs
    there :)

    I'm hoping for Sweden or Iceland - a data center with natural
    cooling. :)

    Amsterdam might be one of the better options as well.

    there are no servers safe from a bust. ask the pirate bay.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Sat Oct 23 23:28:01 2021
    On 10/23/21 1:33 AM, MRO wrote:
    I'm hoping for Sweden or Iceland - a data center with natural
    cooling. :)

    Amsterdam might be one of the better options as well.

    there are no servers safe from a bust. ask the pirate bay.

    better option does not mean absolutely safe.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Sun Oct 24 01:13:13 2021
    Re: Re: Censorship
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Sat Oct 23 2021 03:33 am

    What they want is to be able to
    control all communications so that
    they can control the Narrative that
    they push and not MM> If worse comes
    to worse i'll get a Windows virual
    hosting in Poland and host my bbs
    there :)

    I'm hoping for Sweden or Iceland - a data center with natural
    cooling. :)

    Amsterdam might be one of the better options as well.

    there are no servers safe from a bust. ask the pirate bay.

    I remember when they Busted slysoft, the makers of anyDVD and CloneDVD and CloneCD.
    I bought the whole package for $78 then the feds shut them down.
    I still have the keys and the software still gets around most DRM, every once in awhile I buy a DVD that it can't RIP.

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