companies bringing jobs back to the US, and Ford promptly responded by saying that they'll keep building the Focus Active, but sell it elsewhere since it wouldn't make money in the US.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Chai to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Sep 25 2018 09:41 pm
Are those safe? My understanding is that 3rd party batteries are not often up to safety spec.
I've used a bunch of them; I like Anker branded batteries, found them to be good.
ford took 5.9 billion in loans from the us govt and the cash for clunkers bullshit really boosted them.
they're full of shit if they think people only want suvs and not sedans. everyone i know is buying sedans. i bought one last year.
i'll just buy a different brand.
sedans. everyone i know is buying sedans. i bought one last year.
i'll just buy a different brand.
The government offered bailout money, so I'm not really sure it's that bad to take something that was offered.. But I do appreciate brands that didn't have to take bailout money in order to survive. And many people in the US
have to take bailout money in order to survive. And many people in the US are buying SUVs, which is why many car makers selling cars in the US make so many of them for sale in the US. When I've traveled to other countries,
On 09-26-18 16:58, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
The government offered bailout money, so I'm not really sure it's that
bad to take something that was offered.. But I do appreciate brands
that didn't have to take bailout money in order to survive. And many people in the US are buying SUVs, which is why many car makers selling cars in the US make so many of them for sale in the US. When I've
traveled to other countries, I've been surprised at how many more
smaller cars people seem to drive in other countries. SUVs, not as
much. If they're selling a lot of SUVs in the us, that's just the way
the market is in the US. I myself tend to prefer a sedan or smaller
car.
traveled to other countries, I've been surprised at how many more smaller cars people seem to drive in other countries. SUVs, not as much. If they're selling a lot of SUVs in the us, that's just the way the market is in the US. I myself tend to prefer a sedan or smaller car.I drive a small manual sedan. Does the job for me. Only time I would consider a SUV is if I was planning on going off road for significant amounts of time. I have done off road driver training, so no stranger to that skill, but at this time only likely to do that in a fire command car.
i'm not so sure people are buying suvs THAT much that they need to stop making sedans.
sedans are nice. the one i have is small, is great on gas, has good pickup and it has a large trunk. plus i'm tall and i fit in it fine.
in the winter i will be using my suv which means i will be paying 2x the money on gas.
SUVs are also popular in Australia. For some people they are practical, as there are a lot of uses for an off road vehicle out here, but others just buy them for the prestige or the height or to look intimidating on the road, or whatever. Such City based SUVs that never go off road are known by derogatory nicknames such as "Toorak Tractors" (after an affluent suburb in Melbourne) or "Balmain Bulldozers" (after an affluent Sydney suburb), as a couple of xamples.
We drive a small car too. a bmw 1 series. We live in the centre which is a hassle with parking etc... with a small car you have more chance to be able to park then with a big suv.
The government offered bailout money, so I'm not really sure it's that bad to >take something that was offered.. But I do appreciate brands that didn't have >to take bailout money in order to survive. And many people in the US are >buying SUVs, which is why many car makers selling cars in the US make so many >of them for sale in the US. When I've traveled to other countries, I've been >surprised at how many more smaller cars people seem to drive in other >countries. SUVs, not as much. If they're selling a lot of SUVs in the us, >that's just the way the market is in the US. I myself tend to prefer a sedan >or smaller car.
i'm not so sure people are buying suvs THAT much that they need to stop making >sedans.
On 09-27-18 13:15, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
:) I've heard of people buying them for height here too. As far as prestige, I'm not sure I see any more prestige in buying an SUV vs. a smaller car/sedan. I could see perhaps prestige in a luxury brand name, but to me, vehicle size does not equal prestige. There's also the fact that they tend to use more gas, which is something I don't equate with prestige. I think some larger vehicles are even harder to get into/out
of because of their height, since you have to step up/down a bit to get into/out of them.
On 09-27-18 13:10, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Yeah, the fuel economy is one reason I like a smaller car. Also is
there a reason to buy a big SUV just for the winter driving ability?
Why not a 4 wheel drive sedan? I've heard Subarus (for instance) are
good for off-road and winter driving due to being 4 wheel drive.
IIRC, GM and Chrysler took the bailout but Ford did not.
Yeah, I don't buy into it, and I'm not sold on luxury cars either. Many are European, and European cars aren't always well suited to Australian conditions - long distances, extreme heat, dust, rough roads, etc. In fact, some car makers found if they designed cars to survive our worst conditions, they were suitable for just about anywhere. I think the Japanese are among those who caught onto that idea.
Unfortunately, Austrlalian built cars are a thing of the past now, but Australian designed ones are still a reality, since some of the design teams have been kept going, because of their expertise.
I've known people with various European cars, and they seem to have them in the workshop a lot. :)
As for SUVs, you've named another reason I wouldn't buy one (unless I actually was planning on going off road, of course) - gas guzzling. I'm happy with a compact 4 cylinder car that can run on the small of an oily rag, and when the technology and price is right, I'd be happy to go electric (range is a major consideration for me).
Yeah, the fuel economy is one reason I like a smaller car. Also is
there a reason to buy a big SUV just for the winter driving ability?
Why not a 4 wheel drive sedan? I've heard Subarus (for instance)
are good for off-road and winter driving due to being 4 wheel drive.
Don't see a lot of Subarus here, but their "all wheel drive" has been around for yonks.
SUVs are also popular in Australia. For some people they are practical, as there are a lot of uses for an off road vehicle out here, but others just buy them for the prestige or the height or to look intimidating on the road, or whatever. Such City based SUVs that never go off road are known by derogatory nicknames such as "Toorak Tractors" (after an affluent suburb in Melbourne) or "Balmain Bulldozers" (after an affluent Sydney suburb), as a
i'm not so sure people are buying suvs THAT much that they need to stop making sedans.
Well no, not everyone is buying an SUV, and they shouldn't stop making sedans. Just seems like a lot of people in the US these days are buying SUVs.
Yeah, the fuel economy is one reason I like a smaller car. Also is there a reason to buy a big SUV just for the winter driving ability? Why not a 4
reason to buy a big SUV just for the winter driving ability? Why not a 4 wheel drive sedan? I've heard Subarus (for instance) are good for off-road and winter driving due to being 4 wheel drive.
wheel drive sedan? I've heard Subarus (for instance) are good for off-road and winter driving due to being 4 wheel drive.---
IIRC, GM and Chrysler took the bailout but Ford did not. I do not like driving SUVs so I will be changing makes the next time I have to.
As for SUVs, you've named another reason I wouldn't buy one (unless I actually was planning on going off road, of course) - gas guzzling. I'm
remember what else.. Are any of those available in Australia? I'm not sure they'd be built to survive Australian harsh conditions either..
i'm not so sure people are buying suvs THAT much that they need to stop mak >sedans.
I agree but in the area I live in people are SUV and truck crazy. I have never owned one, and would much rather not drive one. Honda or Toyota will get my business the next time I need one.
Well no, not everyone is buying an SUV, and they shouldn't stop making
sedans. Just seems like a lot of people in the US these days are
buying SUVs.
all the articles are saying that suvs are the most popular.
small economical sedans still outsell suvs worldwide, internet sez.
they also say the toyota corolla is the most popular car of all time.
i'm always seeing honda civics.
i just feel safe in my suv and i dont slide. also when you go shopping it has all that storage. and when i moved a few years ago, i moved myself. i
my gf got a subaru and it has great pickup. also it has just a little more HP than my kia but it's much more powerful.
it's an impreza and the trunk space sucks compared to my kia. also i'm 6'2
If I had to get another car, it'll be a Toyota again, maybe a Honda.
they're full of shit if they think people only want suvs and not sedans. everyone i know is buying sedans. i bought one last year.
I drive a small manual sedan. Does the job for me. Only time I would consider a SUV is if I was planning on going off road for significant amounts of time. I have done off road driver training, so no stranger to that skill, but at this time only likely to do that in a fire command car.
We drive a small car too. a bmw 1 series. We live in the centre which is a hassle with parking etc... with a small car you have more chance to be able to park then with a big suv.
Worldwide, yes.. I thought we were just talking about the US market? It seems a lot of people in the US are buying SUVs. As I had said in another message in this thread, I've been to some countries outside the US and have
I've rarely needed a lot of storage when I go shopping, except if I'm buying
my gf got a subaru and it has great pickup. also it has just a little more HP than my kia but it's much more powerful.
it's an impreza and the trunk space sucks compared to my kia. also i'm 6'2
Eh, the Subaru Impreza isn't a pickup.. I just looked up the Impreza to
The only Subaru pickup I've seen in the US lately is the Baja.
I've rarely needed a lot of storage when I go shopping, except if I'm
buying
you must not buy shit. i need room for regular grocery shopping.
my gf got a subaru and it has great pickup. also it has just a
Eh, the Subaru Impreza isn't a pickup.. I just looked up the Impreza
to
IT HAS GREAT PICKUP. i didnt say it was a great pickup.
/facepalm
When I lived in San Francisco I had an old Rabbit Diesel. Small, so I could park anywhere. big-ass chrome and rubber bumpers, so no visible dings. 50 mpg, so I could afford it while in college. Fold down rear seats and a hatchback, perfect for moving stuff cross-town.
I drove a german-made '77, and later a US-made '83. The latter I bought for $700, drove it for 3 years, sold it for the same price.
IIRC, GM and Chrysler took the bailout but Ford did not. I do not like driving SUVs so I will be changing makes the next time I have to.
ford got a 5.9 billion loan in june 2009
My car has a trunk.. Of course it has room for groceries. I'm wondering how much groceries you buy where you need a SUV to carry all your grocieries home. Do you buy groceries for the whole neighborhood?
IIRC, GM and Chrysler took the bailout but Ford did not. I do not like driving SUVs so I will be changing makes the next time I have to.
ford got a 5.9 billion loan in june 2009
I seem to remember hearing that also.
On 09-28-18 13:48, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I want a battlewagon - a Subaru Outback with a skid plate, some big-ass driving lights, mild lift, knobby tires and a roof rack.
That and fuel economy are the main reasons I like smaller cars.
The only Subaru pickup I've seen in the US lately is the Baja.
I drove a german-made '77, and later a US-made '83. The latter I bought for $700, drove it for 3 years, sold it for the same price.
Here we dont see pickups of Subaru (didnt know they had them) but Impreza sedans and WRX Rally edition are popular with some young kids.
Nightfox wrote to Hawkeye <=-
That and fuel economy are the main reasons I like smaller cars.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
sedans are nice. the one i have is small, is great on gas, has good pickup and it has a large trunk. plus i'm tall and i fit in it fine.
On 09-29-18 21:48, Chai wrote to MRO <=-
I drive a Corolla. It gets good gas mileage, but my 6'2" body is a bit much for it. I'd like to have a minivan or a full-sized sedan like
a Lincoln. Something quiet and roomy.
I used to own an SUV back when gas hit $5 a gallon, which was fiscally painf
Man alive, I remember those days. At the same time that fuel was US$4 to US$5 per gallon, a pipeline burst in the southeastern United States, affecting the availability of fuel then. Some fuel stations were rationing out, and had long lines of people trying to get fuel.
I don't miss those days, and I worry that we're slowly getting back to those days again.
I've seen some young people driving modified Subarus (what I find funny are the loud mufflers they sometimes use, and the big spoilers they sometimes put on the back - or maybe they come that way?). I've heard Subaru drivers tend to get pulled over by the police more often than average due to younger drivers driving fast/aggressively in them.
I used to own an SUV back when gas hit $5 a gallon, which was fiscally painful.
hahahha.. true the big spoilers look right as if they were IKEA furniture LOL
I used to own an SUV back when gas hit $5 a gallon, which was fiscally
painf
Man alive, I remember those days. At the same time that fuel was US$4 to US$5 per gallon, a pipeline burst in the southeastern United States, affecting the availability of fuel then. Some fuel stations were rationing out, and had long lines of people trying to get fuel.
I used to own an SUV back when gas hit $5 a gallon, which was fiscally
painf
Man alive, I remember those days. At the same time that fuel was US$4 t US$5 per gallon, a pipeline burst in the southeastern United States, affecting the availability of fuel then. Some fuel stations were ration out, and had long lines of people trying to get fuel.
I remember when gas hit those prices, but I didn't see any stations rationin gas or long lines where I live. I was still able to get gas easily.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I didn't know Volkswagen had a US plant back then. I've heard of VWs
in the US being made in either Germany or Mexico, and I heard
Volkswagen built a plant in the US in Chatanooga, TN in 2009 or so,
which seemed like a big deal in the news at the time. Do you know
where in the US Volkswagen was building cars in the early 80s?
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Hmm, you sound like one of those drivers that pisses me off LOL (just teasing ;) ).
On 09-30-18 20:09, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Nope, now I'm driving a Prius - I'm just sick of having the front
valence scrape on every little bump.
Nope, now I'm driving a Prius - I'm just sick of having the front valence scrape on every little bump.
Cool. I've never driven a Prius or any other hybrid. Would like to take one for a test drive sometime.
On 10-08-18 09:09, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I haven't driven a hybrid either. I think the Chevrolet Volt is an interesting idea - The wheels are actually powered entirely by an
electric motor, and the gas engine is only used as a generator to
recharge the battery as needed.
I haven't driven a hybrid either. I think the Chevrolet Volt is an
interesting idea - The wheels are actually powered entirely by an
electric motor, and the gas engine is only used as a generator to
recharge the battery as needed.
That's actually an older idea the "series hybrid", as opposed to the "parallel hybrid" system that the Prios uses, where both the electric and engine can drive the wheels together. There's pros and cons to both approaches.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Oct 07 2018 07:57 am
Cool. I've never driven a Prius or any other hybrid. Would like to take one for a test drive sometime.
I haven't driven a hybrid either. I think the Chevrolet Volt is an interesting idea - The wheels are actually powered entirely by an electric motor, and the gas engine is only used as a generator to recharge the battery as needed.
On 10-08-18 14:48, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think the first hybrid car I heard about was the Honda Insight,
around 2001 or so. I thought it was a parallel hybrid, as you
describe, but I'm not sure. The Chevrolet Volt is the first series
hybrid I had heard about, which I think was introduced in the US around 2008 or so.
I think the first hybrid car I heard about was the Honda Insight,
around 2001 or so. I thought it was a parallel hybrid, as you
describe, but I'm not sure. The Chevrolet Volt is the first series
hybrid I had heard about, which I think was introduced in the US
around 2008 or so.
The concept of the series hybrid was talked about at least as far back as the 80s, and one of the advantages given at the time was that the engine could be run at its optimum point for fuel efficiency to charge batteries and provide additional electricity to drive the motors.
And besides, this is similar to how diesel electroc locomotives work. :)
On 10-10-18 12:52, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You quoted me, but somehow your reply was addressed to Nelgin. Interesting.. I hadn't heard about any type of hybrid car until the
Honda Insight came out in the US (around 2001 or so).
And besides, this is similar to how diesel electroc locomotives work. :)
I've heard that about diesel electric locomotives. I'm not sure if all locomitives are that way though.. When I first heard about that, I thought it could be an inefficient setup to have a gas motor charging a battery, and then the battery driving the motor. I'd think the more points of energy conversion you have, the more energy loss you'd have between the points due to the inefficiency of energy conversion. Why
not have the diesel motor drive the wheels directly? I've heard diesel engines tend to have more torque than gas engines, which is why diesel engines tend to be used in vehicles that haul a lot of weight. I know electric engines tend to have a lot of torque too though..
Well, electric motors have one BIG advantage, they have high torque at zero RPM, while internal combustions have zero torque at zero RPM (i.e. they don't run), so you'd need a decent clutch to handle several megawatts of mechanical power. No batteries in locos (for traction), I believe it's a generator/alternator feeding the motors via some control electronics.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
locomitives are that way though.. When I first heard about that, I thought it could be an inefficient setup to have a gas motor charging a battery, and then the battery driving the motor. I'd think the more points of energy conversion you have, the more energy loss you'd have between the points due to the inefficiency of energy conversion. Why
On 10-10-18 17:16, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Makes sense. I guess it would be hard to build a clutch for such a big engine/machine. :) It seems to me that an electric motor could still benefit from a clutch though, to allow it to operate a vehicle at
higher speeds without spinning the motor to very high RPMs (which would use more energy and would probably wear the motor out faster).
i think they have to use satelite phones for security.
ronald reagan made strong threats. they didnt say he was spouting off.
Too bad for the farmers. They're improving the economy by exploding the
deficit. That's not magic.
the point is, we dont need to import. we have enough resources in the usa. we need to stop sending jobs overseas. we need to make it FAIR in regards to trading.
business, but we are just now starting to feel the effects of his trade war with China. That could get ugly. China IS a bad actor and I don't know
what the best way to deal with that is. It could be that there's no non-painful way to improve the situation.
Boy oh boy is this not true. Open up any piece of electronic equipment, "made in America" or not, and have a look at the chips with a magnifying glass. You'll be hard pressed to find anything in there sourced from the US. All that is over in Asia and that's been the situation for a few decades now. We can probably do without China proper, but it could easily disrupt trade with China, Japan, Korea, and other countries that would absolutely
So less is more. I suppose that makes sense from the developers perspective. If Linux was just one distro, perhaps it would gain additional support as well? I'm referring to Linux as a desktop, of course (not servers, NAS, etc.).
Linus himself has spoken about this -- the reason Linux has never gained any market share in the desktop area is because it is not bundled with PCs when they are sold. PCs people buy come with Windows, so people develop applications for Windows. Without that installed base, there is no incentiv to write software.
This is the trouble with our current two-party joke of a system; each of the complains bitterly when the other is in charge, and when they get in control they do the same crap as the other party. The national debt stands
Linus himself has spoken about this -- the reason Linux has never gained any market share in the desktop area is because it is not bundled with PCs when they are sold. PCs people buy come with Windows, so people develop applications for Windows. Without that installed base, there is no incentive to write software.
The fact that one cannot buy a laptop or pre-made desktop without Windows installed is driving me crazy! I have been started to look around for OSless or HDD/SDD-less laptops and it is next to impossible to find them with major retailers like Amazon or NewEgg. The only thing that I can find with these major retailers are Windows, Chromebook/Chrome OS, or Mac OSX. NewEgg had a couple of OSless laptops, but it is through another seller.
It seems like if you want to find a laptop without an OS, you would have to go through a local shop that refurbishes used laptops from businesses that is getting of them, and it's hard to find such dealer. As far as desktops goes, it's a lot easier with building your own.
Linus himself has spoken about this -- the reason Linux has never gained any market share in the desktop area is because it is not bundled with PCs when they are sold. PCs people buy come with Windows, so people develop applications for Windows. Without that installed base, there is no incentive to write software.
The fact that one cannot buy a laptop or pre-made desktop without Windows installed is driving me crazy!
Linus himself has spoken about this -- the reason Linux has never gained any market share in the desktop area is because it is not bundled with PCs when they are sold. PCs people buy come with Windows, so people develop applications for Windows. Without that installed base, there is no incentive to write software.
And another thing that bugs me sometimes is people who are of one party make fun of the candidate of the other party when they're in office, but when their own party is in office, they get all defensive when someone makes fun of them and they'll say things like "you shouldn't disrespect the president" and such. It seems a bit hypocritical.
Why? Having Windows available (at least in a dual-boot scenario) can be valuable. When I started at my most recent job they procured a workstation-class Lenovo laptop for me, which of course, came with Windows pre-installed. They said: "we're a Linux shop, just delete that Windows stuff and install Ubuntu 16.04" - I thought: well, that's silly, so I just made it dual-boot Windows and Ubuntu and it's been a life-saver. My first 3 or 4 projects all required proprietary Windows tools and dealing with a VM or Wine would have certainly been additional unnecessary hassle.
I say, keep the Windows install if you can get it, you never know when you might need or want it!
On 10-18-18 13:23, Digital Man wrote to Lizard King <=-
Myself, I still use Windows desktops primarily. It's just a better GUI (for me) and the apps are more consistently good / usable. For simple browser-based work (e.g. G-suite), I don't really care much which OS or browser I use, but for most other stuff I do (e.g. audio/video production), I much prefer Windows.
On 10-18-18 13:28, Digital Man wrote to Jagossel <=-
Why? Having Windows available (at least in a dual-boot scenario) can be valuable. When I started at my most recent job they procured a workstation-class Lenovo laptop for me, which of course, came with
There have been a lot of PCs sold with Linux pre-installed. I don't think they sold as well as Windows PCs. So that could just be Linus' subjective opinion and not necessarily true.
And another thing that bugs me sometimes is people who are of one party make fun of the candidate of the other party when they're in office, but when their own party is in office, they get all defensive when someone makes fun of them and they'll say things like "you shouldn't disrespect the president" and such. It seems a bit hypocritical.
Lizard King wrote to Chai <=-
For what it's worth I think most of Trump's policies have been
beneficial to business, but we are just now starting to feel the
effects of his trade war with China. That could get ugly. China IS a
bad actor and I don't know what the best way to deal with that is. It could be that there's no non-painful way to improve the situation.
I've always felt that Trump cannot possibly be the best person for the
job though... but we are likely stuck with him another term. I've
heard the Dems are talking about running Biden.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Digital Man to Jagossel on Thu Oct 18 2018 01:28 pm
Why? Having Windows available (at least in a dual-boot scenario) can be valuable. When I started at my most recent job they procured a workstation-class Lenovo laptop for me, which of course, came with Windows pre-installed. They said: "we're a Linux shop, just delete that Windows stuff and install Ubuntu 16.04" - I thought: well, that's silly, so I just made it dual-boot Windows and Ubuntu and it's been a life-saver. My first 3 or 4 projects all required proprietary Windows tools and dealing with a VM or Wine would have certainly been additional unnecessary hassle.
I say, keep the Windows install if you can get it, you never know when you might need or want it!
I tend to use Windows myself. If you want to also use Linux, I've debated whether it's more useful to dual-boot or to set up a VM to run Linux in Windows. With a VM, you don't have to reboot the machine and you could run both Windows and Linux software at the same time. The same would be true of someone who prefers working in Linux (they could use a VM to run Windows). The disadvantage of that is you wouldn't be able to run software that would benefit from running on real hardware rather than in a VM. Plus, I suppose you would have to spend money on ensuring you have enough RAM and other resources to run a VM.
Back to the subject of the original post: I buy my phones one revision back from Costco. Still expensive, but not quite as bad, and they do 0% financing over two years, no contract. Well worth it. They save me a pile of money on car insurance as well.
Business, yes. My 80 year old parents and myself? Not so much.
Repubs are wanting to get rid of Social Security and Medicare. They've
said this repeatedly. I'm disabled, so even simple "cuts" to Social Security means I will be out on the street. I struggle to by medicine
and pay bills as it is.
And of course PC sales generally have fallen, to the point that it's not clear what the future of PCs are. I'm kind of alarmed at this, because I don't like working on laptops (the ergonomics alone are horrible) and I love having a desktop although not so much being chained to it.
And with Windows 10 having a Linux/bash subsystem built-in, there may be even less reason for that for some use-cases.
linux hasnt always been easy to use or hardware friendly. that's probably what held it back. i still think linux is best as a server os.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Oct 18 2018 04:44 pm
And with Windows 10 having a Linux/bash subsystem built-in, there may be even less reason for that for some use-cases.
I haven't used the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 yet, but it sounds like it's only for command-line software? I doubt Windows 10 is able to run Linux software that uses a GUI, does it?
For example, I want to make it so that the screen does NOT go to sleep after a certain amount of time -- that it stays on. In settings, there's an option to do just that, so I select it. After 10 minutes, the screen still goes to sleep. After an hour searching, I find a way to do it through some obscure command line parameter. I do that only to find the screen still sleeps. After two more hours of research, I just convince myself that I don't care anymore.
they will never cut social security. i wish you could opt out of it and have your own personal account for your future.
they will never cut medicare.
On 10-18-18 15:18, Minex wrote to MRO <=-
For example, I want to make it so that the screen does NOT go to sleep after a certain amount of time -- that it stays on. In settings,
there's an option to do just that, so I select it. After 10 minutes,
the screen still goes to sleep. After an hour searching, I find a way
to do it through some obscure command line parameter. I do that only
to find the screen still sleeps. After two more hours of research, I
just convince myself that I don't care anymore.
On 10-18-18 21:14, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-
I haven't used the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 yet, but it sounds like it's only for command-line software? I doubt Windows 10 is able to run Linux software that uses a GUI, does it?
Right, it's command-line only and works surprisingly well. I'm not
really sure what Microsoft's motiviation was for that feature, however.
And with Windows 10 having a Linux/bash subsystem built-in, there may b even less reason for that for some use-cases.
I haven't used the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 yet, but it sounds like it' only for command-line software? I doubt Windows 10 is able to run Linux software that uses a GUI, does it?
Here's a silly, weird question. If one was to rujn an X server on Windows 10 and tweak the $DISPLAY variable in the Linux subsystem. Would it be possible to run X clients in the subsystem and have them displayed on the Windows desktop? Has anyone tried?
For example, I want to make it so that the screen does NOT go to sleep
after a certain amount of time -- that it stays on. In settings,
there's an option to do just that, so I select it. After 10 minutes,
the screen still goes to sleep. After an hour searching, I find a way
This is EXACTLY why I stopped using Linux as a desktop OS around 20 years ago. I found I was spending at least as much time fighting with it as I was actually getting work done. I switched to Windows and haven't looked back.
Depends on the distro. I've had success with Mint, Debian and LUbuntu in tweaking the screen settings through the GUI. Didn't need to use the command line at all. Some distros have fixed their GUI tools, so all the relevant settings can be tweaked just as easily as in Windows. Just did that exact operation on my new LUbuntu netbook installation.
remember struggling to get the GUI environment working. And, there were times when a certain Linux distro just seemed to work well and was able to get everything set up correctly during the install, but when I installed a newer version of that distro, things were broken.. When it seemed like things were broken every other release of a distro, I didn't bother with Linux too much at home.
I haven't used the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 yet, but it sounds likeThat's correct, console only, but it does allow programmers to compile software in linux, as well as SSH'ing out to other linux terminals.
A lot of decisions are made in linux (and other open source projects) because of political squabbles and ego trips, which is frustrating. But it's probably no worse than marketing people making those decisions.
I haven't used the Linux subsystem in Windows 10 yet, but it sounds
like
That's correct, console only, but it does allow programmers to compile software in linux, as well as SSH'ing out to other linux terminals.
have your own personal account for your future.
they will never cut medicare.
You are right in that these ideas are wildly unpopular, and nobody can even talk about them without risking their political careers.
Unfortunately, the math says otherwise: there is no money to pay for these programs going forward. It's basically a pyramid scheme you are paying
There will be huge pressure to just print more money, which the Fed can do... but my grandparents left Germany to get away from hyperinflation
On 10-19-18 08:33, Lizard King wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Here's a silly, weird question. If one was to rujn an X server on Windows 10 and tweak the $DISPLAY variable in the Linux subsystem. Would it be possible to run X clients in the subsystem and have them displayed on the Windows desktop? Has anyone tried?
It's absolutely possible, and I was doing this as far back as Windows
95. In fact I exported the window manager from one of our Linux
servers to my desktop and it looked like I was running linux on my desktop. (I was.)
On 10-19-18 10:02, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yep. In the past, I always liked SuSE Linux (now OpenSUSE), because it always seemed to have good tools, and I was able to set up and tweak
the GUI more successfully with it than with other distros. My go-to
Linux distro for a desktop these days tends to be Mint with Cinnamon.
I did it remotely with X clients running on Linux, but don't have a Windows 10 box to try it with.
A few years ago, Microsoft made an April Fool's Day joke where they announced MS-DOS Mobile, a version of MS-DOS as an OS for their mobile devices. Later, I heard someone actually made an MS-DOS Mobile app.
Do the $500 phones last longer? I do not think I've ever spent quitethat
much for a phone. So, honestly, I wouldn't know.
On 10-21-18 11:58, Lizard King wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've used it at work to avoid the prying eyes of IT; run a firefox
session on a Linux VM (which they cannot even see), export display to
my laptop, and Facebook all I want. Well within reason anyway.
Eventually I got tired of that and set up a Win7 VM running under kvm
here at home which I would RDP into to do stuff like that while I was
at the office.
A few years ago, Microsoft made an April Fool's Day joke where they announced MS-DOS Mobile, a version of MS-DOS as an OS for their mobile devices. Later, I heard someone actually made an MS-DOS Mobile app.
I'm actually dreaming of a mobile os which is VERY similar to TEMPLE-OS
:D
Oh and it runs CAUSTIC like a
charm. So wh en I'm on a road-trip or on a airline flight I can be
rockin' some rhythms on my phone, and throwing in basslines :D )
app.
I'm actually dreaming of a mobile os which is VERY similar toTEMPLE-OS
Good night... would the user have to program their own basic phone functions like the dialer, contact list, etc.? Better learn some C and print the API documentation. :p
-jag Code it, Script it, Automate it!
Awesome! I'm not the only one that uses Caustic! I lack the musical
talent to create music, but I enjoy playing around in Caustic to create the sounds. When Single Cell Software released an update that included a modular/patch panel machine, I had alot of fun messing around in there.
-jag Code it, Script it, Automate it
That one would have got around the proxy on all except one site, which wanted everything outbound blocked except for HTTP and HTTPS for their user PCs. :)
I'm actually dreaming of a mobile os which is VERY similar to TEMPLE-OS
:D
My phone is about 3 years old, still rockin, 2 gb of storage,
and was the cheapest phone at the shop. ($25 bucks)
I will use it til it breaks or won't power on. :D
I'm still rocking my iPhone 5. I MAY upgrade to the iPhone SE. I am definitely the minority, but I just want a smaller phone. I don't get the fascination with larger phones because I just hate lugging shit around.
I'm amazed how many people know about Temple-OS considering how weird and useless it is. Does anyone actually use it for anything (now that the
guy who wrote it isn't around anymore)?
//lizard_king
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: djatropine to Nightfox on Sun Oct 21 2018 05:17 pm
My phone is about 3 years old, still rockin, 2 gb of storage,
and was the cheapest phone at the shop. ($25 bucks)
I will use it til it breaks or won't power on. :D
I'm still rocking my iPhone 5. I MAY upgrade to the iPhone SE. I am definitely the minority, but I just want a smaller phone. I don't get the fascination with larger phones because I just hate lugging shit around.
I'm amazed how many people know about Temple-OS considering how weird and useless it is. Does anyone actually use it for anything (now that the guy w wrote it isn't around anymore)?
I'm still rocking my iPhone 5. I MAY upgrade to the iPhone SE. I am definitely the minority, but I just want a smaller phone. I don't get t fascination with larger phones because I just hate lugging shit around.
I don't really like bigger phones either. It used to be that smaller phones were considered better because of what you said, people didn't want to lug around big phones, but now it seems a bigger screen is desirable. I keep (jokingly) wondering if they'll start making cell phones as big as tablets o computer monitors.. I imagine someone holding a monitor-sized screen to the head saying "Can you hear me now?"
My phone is about 3 years old, still rockin, 2 gb of storage,
and was the cheapest phone at the shop. ($25 bucks)
I will use it til it breaks or won't power on. :D
I'm still rocking my iPhone 5. I MAY upgrade to the iPhone SE. I am definitely the minority, but I just want a smaller phone. I don't get th fascination with larger phones because I just hate lugging shit around.
Wow I didn't know he died. He was a weird one!
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Digital Man to Minex on Mon Oct 22 2018 19:55:36
My phone is about 3 years old, still rockin, 2 gb of storage,
and was the cheapest phone at the shop. ($25 bucks)
I will use it til it breaks or won't power on. :D
I'm still rocking my iPhone 5. I MAY upgrade to the iPhone SE. I am definitely the minority, but I just want a smaller phone. I don't get th fascination with larger phones because I just hate lugging shit around.
Wow I didn't know he died. He was a weird one!
Quoted the wrong message? :D
If you're referring to the developer of Temple-OS, I agree. If I recall, he really did have a mentaln illness that lead him to develop Temple-OS. It did show, a little bit, that he was mentally ill. Admitally, though, Temple-OS is unique.
Wasn't the Samsung Note crossing that threshold of phone and tablet? I don't remember which phone it was exactly, but I remember it being an excessively large phone or a ridicously small tablet.
I'm amazed how many people know about Temple-OS considering how weird and useless it is. Does anyone actually use it for anything (now that the
guy who wrote it isn't around anymore)?
//lizard_king
Oh. Useless? I don't think so :D
With audio drivers it would be super super tight.
Wow I didn't know he died. He was a weird one!
If you're referring to the developer of Temple-OS, I agree. If I recall, he really did have a mentaln illness that lead him to develop Temple-OS. It did show, a little bit, that he was mentally ill. Admitally, though, Temple-OS is unique.
Exactly. :-)
seems like it would be difficult to get running and less than useful once you would get it up. also i'm not so keen on running an os from someone who's mentally ill.
On 10-22-18 10:27, Lizard King wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I would have tried setting up a port forward on 80 or 443 to see if
that worked before giving up. I always put RDP on a non-standard port anyway, just because.
I don't understand the proxy issue though -- the Linux VM I was running firefox on isn't part of the IT network, but can reach the IT network.
So they have no idea I'm running a web browser at all, and all the http requests were going out of one of our datacenters, not the office.
This is something that IT literally does not have access to. All
they'd see is a mysterious inbound TCP connection to my laptop that is very chatty.
Now if you want to talk about something crazy, in the early 90s I
worked in a government facility and managed to get my PC on the
Internet -- web browser and everything. That was through a BBS called "FedWorld" (no, really) that operated on the gov't network and had an Internet connection. Anyone remember "term"?
That gave the security people FITS. They could not understand how I
was doing it and tore apart my office looking for a modem. They never could find that modem because it didn't exist. I thought the whole
thing was very amusing.
1. Traffic/bandwidth management in the early days, when conserving bandwidth was paramount. The proxy was actually a Squid cache. Caching was a major performance booster when the Internet connection was 33.6k dialup.
A side effect is I occasionally sprung someone surfing porn, which a friendly "Oh, that's an interesting site you're surfing" phone call resolved. :)
"FedWorld" (no, really) that operated on the gov't network and had an Internet connection. Anyone remember "term"?
The name rings a bell, don't remember anything though.
seems like it would be difficult to get running and less than useful once you would get it up. also i'm not so keen on running an os from someone who's mentally ill.
Actually it is amazingly easy to set up, and if you have vmware player/workstation you can have a TempleOS install going in about 5 minutes.
What you will DO with it is something that I could not personally figure out
The color scheme and flashing cursor stuff also put me off... it's pretty garish and noisy.
From what I gathered, he wasn't just ill, he was schizophrenic and didn't take his meds. I think he ended up homeless before the end.
He believed that God directed him to make that OS, and God dictated the programming language he should use (Holy-C) and even the screen resolution it should have (640x480 if I remember right).
He also had some fairly unpleasant theories about "n-ggers" and Jews being responsible for various programming language features. There are youtube videos in which he rants about a wide variety of things, including Linux.
A strange dude for sure. And Temple-OS might be even stranger.
On 10-24-18 00:50, Lizard King wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I had to do this also on a network I managed, but we're going back to
the mid-90s now. At one point because of an error (bonehead office manager canceled the upstream network connection) we were running the whole office across dual 56k dialup links. I had to be a real bastard about who was using the network for what, and I had persistent web
traffic I couldn't figure out.
Finally I increased the logging until I saw what it was. Not just
porn, but gay porn. Not just gay porn but really explicit gay porn.
And I knew whose computer it was. I sent out an email to the office saying we were monitoring the web usage and to please keep it work-related.
An hour went by, and he was still at it. Finally I got up from my
desk, walked over, and said to him "I can see everything you're looking at." Real quiet so no one overheard. The color drained from his face
and he never made eye contact with me again. He was a very closeted
dude, married, kids. I felt kind of bad, but I gave him plenty of chances. And that ended the ack starvation problem that was generating tons of complaints.
I don't remember the particulars of how it worked, but you ran it on
the remote end of a telnet session and it tunnelled TCP/IP over telnet.
Applications had to be compiled with term support; "mosaic+term" was something I ran a lot. This would have been... 1994/1995. The web was very much in its infancy.
enough computers were bundled with OS/2. And I think Microsoft was using some tactics to provide PC makers a lot more incentive to install Windows, making Windows more popular.
But this reminds me a bit of a guy who posted some messages on Dove-Net several years ago about some new OS he was developing with "HyperTurbo" in the name. He claimed it could run software made for any OS and was super fast. It seemed to be vaporware though.
Microsoft pressured PC vendors to buy a Windows license for every PC sold, to "combat piracy". That had the result of driving vendors to market Windows, since they're already paying for it.
There was a means where someone with determination could get a refund for an unused Windows license on a new PC, made for some entertaining reading.
of other issues. I had a similar issue with the boss's Internet connection at home, which was also a VPN link to the office, and when diagnosing a speed issue (this was mid 2000s, so it was all ADSL and VPN), I found a lot of strange entries in the log for what looked suspiciously like a dating site. Further investigation revealed it to be a gay dating site, and the
Sounds a bit like SSH forwarding, which you can do the same with, with a bit of work (people have done things like tunnel PPP over SSH :) ).
I'd think a PC vendor would have the choice to install whatever OS they wanted to install on their PCs. PC vendors would pay for a license for whatever OS they choose to install, including Windows. I'm not sure it should be up to the PC vendors to have the burden of preventing piracy of an OS they might not choose to install on their PCs. This seems like a roundabout way of Microsoft saying "We want you to buy our OS".
On 10-24-18 21:03, Lizard King wrote to Vk3jed <=-
While looking through the files that needed to be moved over there were
a lot of Word and Excel files, a bunch of technical blueprints, all
that sort of thing... and about 50 gigs of porn. (A lot at the time.)
He was into Latinas apparently.
Sounds a bit like SSH forwarding, which you can do the same with, with a bit of work (people have done things like tunnel PPP over SSH :) ).
Yep, this was years before ssh though... or at least before I heard of ssh. :)
I'd think a PC vendor would have the choice to install whatever OS
they wanted to install on their PCs. PC vendors would pay for a
license for whatever OS they choose to install, including Windows.
You'd think so... but a PC vendor would go out of business, and quickly, if Microsoft refused to sell them licenses. So they could pressure them to do things like install Windows on everything, or at least charge for the license anyway if it came pre-installed with Linux. (I remember a few of those being around, but they were few and far between.)
Personally I've always preferred to do my own builds, but once in a while I'll need a PC for something on short notice and will buy one at Fry's or whatever, and then I end up with a Microsoft Windows CD/DVD which then gets used in countless VM installs. I've currently got an old copy of Windows 7 that about 3 VMs were installed off... and I think that's even legal since it's rare that two would be running at the same time, much less 3.
I'm sure Microsoft would be happy to sell a Windows license. Why would Microsoft refuse to sell a license for Windows?
I could totally see Microsoft refusing to give a company a certain price unless they agreed to sell licenses on all their PCs, not just some of them. They regularly forced other companies out of business doing predatory things like this, and if that didn't work, they'd buy the company and just stop producing their stuff.
I believe they did that to
Borland, which is a damn shame because they had the best IDE around.
I'm sure Microsoft would be happy to sell a Windows license. Why
would Microsoft refuse to sell a license for Windows?
I could totally see Microsoft refusing to give a company a certain price unless they agreed to sell licenses on all their PCs, not just some of them. They regularly forced other companies out of business doing predatory things like this, and if that didn't work, they'd buy the company and just stop producing their stuff. I believe they did that to Borland, which is a damn shame because they had the best IDE around.
that to Borland, which is a damn shame because they had the best IDE around.
Microsoft is horrid. I wonder how they are even still in business... :)
I don't think Microsoft ever bought Borland.. I had seen Borland still around a while ago. And I just did some searching online, and found a page saying "Borland is now part of Micro Focus": https://www.microfocus.com/borland
Microsoft is horrid. I wonder how they are even still in business... :)
I believe they did that to
Borland, which is a damn shame because they had the best IDE around.
I don't think Microsoft ever bought Borland.. I had seen Borland still around a while ago. And I just did some searching online, and found a page saying "Borland is now part of Micro Focus": https://www.microfocus.com/borland
Microsoft is horrid. I wonder how they are even still in business... :)
it's because they offer the best operating system for the widest range of people.
But the end result was, if you wanted to compile code for Windows, you were probably using a Microsoft compiler. Borland stuff just disappeared. I lost interest and shifted my attention to Linux.
On 10-26-18 09:53, Nightfox wrote to Lizard King <=-
I don't think Microsoft ever bought Borland.. I had seen Borland still around a while ago. And I just did some searching online, and found a page saying "Borland is now part of Micro Focus": https://www.microfocus.com/borland
On 10-26-18 13:04, nugax wrote to Lizard King <=-
Microsoft is horrid. I wonder how they are even still in business... :)
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: MRO to nugax on Fri Oct 26 2018 04:17 pm
Microsoft is horrid. I wonder how they are even still in business... :)
it's because they offer the best operating system for the widest range of people.
I'm pretty sure if they only offered an operating system they would've been marginalized a long time ago. I think it's all their other market-leading software (e.g. office), devices (e.g. Xbox), and services (e.g. Skype) that more likely have kept them successful.
MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
i think they're successful because they earned it, not because they are
an evil company.
This reminds me of when I was setting up a new computer for the CEO of a consulting client after hours (when I preferred to do this sort of thing).
While looking through the files that needed to be moved over there were a lot of Word and Excel files, a bunch of technical blueprints, all that sort of thing... and about 50 gigs of porn. (A lot at the time.) He was into Latinas apparently.
Awesome! I'm not the only one that uses Caustic! I lack the musical
talent to create music, but I enjoy playing around in Caustic to create the sounds. When Single Cell Software released an update that included a modular/patch panel machine, I had alot of fun messing around in there.
I don't think Microsoft ever bought Borland.. I had seen Borland
still around a while ago. And I just did some searching online, and
found a page saying "Borland is now part of Micro Focus":
https://www.microfocus.com/borland
Yes, but the development tools (Delpi, C++) went to Embacadero Technologies: https://www.embarcadero.com/
it's because they offer the best operating system for the widest
range of people.
yeah, i meant back then in the time frame where they were making deals with vendors for the os installs.
i think they're successful because they earned it, not because they are an evil company.
I heard Microsoft made a lot of deals with PC vendors with stipulations like the PC vendors couldn't install competing software (for instance, PC vendors couldn't install other web browsers because Microsoft wanted only IE on the systems), and things like that. Things like that seem like anti-competitive behavior. Perhaps Microsoft earned their success to an extent, but IMO
behavior. Perhaps Microsoft earned their success to an extent, but IMO anti-competitive behavior is more of a bullying tactic and I don't think that means they have earned it. There were other operating systems back in
I used to often think Windows was crap. It seemed bloated (you needed a relatively powerful PC to run it) and sometimes it seemed like it would crash a lot. I haven't had a Windows crash on my home PC in a long time though..
OS2 and other softwares were not as polished as windows. the customer made out well in the end.
I used to often think Windows was crap. It seemed bloated (you needed
a relatively powerful PC to run it) and sometimes it seemed like it
would crash a lot. I haven't had a Windows crash on my home PC in a
long time though..
that's probably the 3rd party software you were using or you had a hardware problem. i was running windows 7 ultimate on a 1ghz netbook with 1 gig of ram. and i was playing wow on it at work on the low settings. you
for me windows 10 has been real good. i think it spontaneously rebooted once on me and i had it running for over a month. i notice my browsers take up a ton of memory and need to be closed. i think we need to be more strict with 3rd party developers.
Windows 10 has been fairly good for me too. I just think the UI is fugly, and I don't like that Microsoft sometimes pushes updates. Even if you disable the updates, Microsoft still sometimes has a way to push updates to Windows 10.
Windows 10 has been fairly good for me too. I just think the UI is
fugly, and I don't like that Microsoft sometimes pushes updates. Even
if you disable the updates, Microsoft still sometimes has a way to
push updates to Windows 10.
i replaced the start menu and everything looks like win7 to me. i would get updates but keep an eye on them.
On 10-29-18 21:48, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Oh I'm talking about Windows 3.1, and Win95 to an extent.. Fairly well before Windows 7. I actually haven't had any serious problems with Windows or my PC in a long time.
Windows 10 has been fairly good for me too. I just think the UI is
fugly, and I don't like that Microsoft sometimes pushes updates. Even
if you disable the updates, Microsoft still sometimes has a way to push updates to Windows 10.
A few years ago, Microsoft made an April Fool's Day joke where they announced MS-DOS Mobile, a version of MS-DOS as an OS for their mobile devices. Later, I heard someone actually made an MS-DOS Mobile app.
I'm actually dreaming of a mobile os which is VERY similar to TEMPLE-OS
:D
I wonder when they will release Microsoft Bob Mobile.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Mr. Cool to djatropine on Sun Nov 04 2018 01:25 pm
I wonder when they will release Microsoft Bob Mobile.
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an announcement that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile phones..
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an
announcement that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile
phones..
They actually released it for Windows Phone. I checked it out and wasn't fooled, but it was a decent replica for the uninitiated (sorta like the "DOS Shell" for Synchronet).
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Nov 04 2018 10:06 pm
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an
announcement that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile
phones..
They actually released it for Windows Phone. I checked it out and wasn't fooled, but it was a decent replica for the uninitiated (sorta like the "DOS Shell" for Synchronet).
I saw that they actually released it. Though, it looked like it was in the form of an app rather than an actual operating system.
wasn't fooled, but it was a decent replica for the uninitiated (sorta like the "DOS Shell" for Synchronet).
I saw that they actually released it. Though, it looked like it was in the form of an app rather than an actual operating system.
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an announcement that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile phones
They actually released it for Windows Phone. I checked it out and wasn't fooled, but it was a decent replica for the uninitiated (sorta like the "DOS Shell" for Synchronet).
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an announcemen that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile phones..
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an
announcement that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile
phones
There is probably a DOSBOX release for it, which would be better if you actually wanted to run anything. I've seen videos where people have
:P As an April Fools joke a few years ago, Microsoft put out an
announcemen that they were making MS-DOS mobile, a DOS for mobile
phones..
I remember seeing that a few years back on Youtube. I was under the impression that there wasn't an actual app until I saw someone do a demonstration video as well.
Re: Re: Smart phone prices
By: Mr. Cool to Nightfox on Sun Nov 11 2018 11:57 am
I remember seeing that a few years back on Youtube. I was under the impression that there wasn't an actual app until I saw someone do a demonstration video as well.
Yeah, I think the April Fool's Joke for it was that it was going to be
an actual OS, but later I heard someone made a MS-DOS app.
On 11-12-18 14:02, Jagossel wrote to Nightfox <=-
Last I checked: lDOSBox, aDOSBkx, Magic DOSBox (tbe one I use), and
DOSBox Turbo (the one I used to use, until VK3JED mentioned that Magic DOSBox can do serial port emulation). The variants of DOSBox I just
listed is just for Android alone. I'm not sure about iOS, though.
i think they faded out of exsitance. None seen in any stores window phones
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