• FSXNet

    From Mike Welborn@VERT/VETBBS to All on Sun Nov 11 00:46:27 2018
    Does anyone have experience setting FSXNet Echo message areas up? I have the netmail setup and working. Any help you could give would be appreciated.
    Mike Welborn, Sysop
    Veteran BBS

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Mike Welborn on Sat Nov 10 23:49:34 2018
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Mike Welborn to All on Sat Nov 10 2018 07:46 pm

    Does anyone have experience setting FSXNet Echo message areas up? I have the netmail setup and working. Any help you could give would be appreciated. Mike Welborn, Sysop

    I have them setup here. You just need to create the bases on your bbs, import the area list maybe and add them to your areas.bbs file and configure your link in sbbsecho.ini. Easiest way to do that is use echocfg.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Mike Welborn on Sat Nov 10 23:53:06 2018
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Mike Welborn to All on Sat Nov 10 2018 07:46 pm

    Does anyone have experience setting FSXNet Echo message areas up? I have the netmail setup and working. Any help you could give would be appreciated. Mike Welborn, Sysop

    Probably best to ask these type question in the Synchronet discussion area.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Al on Sun Nov 11 21:34:00 2018
    On 11-10-18 18:49, Al wrote to Mike Welborn <=-

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    Re: FSXNet
    By: Mike Welborn to All on Sat Nov 10 2018 07:46 pm

    Does anyone have experience setting FSXNet Echo message areas up? I have the netmail setup and working. Any help you could give would be appreciated. Mike Welborn, Sysop

    I have them setup here. You just need to create the bases on your bbs, import the area list maybe and add them to your areas.bbs file and configure your link in sbbsecho.ini. Easiest way to do that is use echocfg.

    Yeah, how I do it:

    In scfg, create a group for FSXnet. Import the areas using the .NA from the infopack (there usually is one). Set the permissions on the first area, then use the clone function to give all areas the same permissions (you can make FSX_DAT sysop only, it contains no human readable info). While in scfg, you can also use the export function to append the areas to AREAS.BBS and add your assigned hub to the export list (in AREAS.BBS).

    In echocfg, you setup your routing for Z21, along with Areafix, etc.

    Finally, configure your mailer to do the polling. I use binkd, so for me that's outside of SBBS. BinkIT is more integrated, I believe.

    Once you've done a couple of nets, it becomes second nature, and eash one gets easier.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Wed Oct 9 22:11:35 2019
    I am starting to feel very disappointed with the way things turned out on FSXNet. They mocked me and humiliated me there. Then they ignored me. Very sad how a network runs. So they gossip behind my back so I will do the same with them so they know how it feels. Dove-Net is a way better network. It’s stood the test of time and will always be my home here.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 9 22:23:55 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 09 2019 06:11 pm

    I am starting to feel very disappointed with the way things turned out on FSXNet. They mocked me and humiliated me there. Then they ignored me. Very

    I've been seeing people replying to your messages there, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say people are ignoring you there.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Oct 9 23:42:59 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 09 2019 06:11 pm

    I've been seeing people replying to your messages there, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say people are ignoring you there.

    Nightfox

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    Well the old ones maybe but new ones no. I logged onto Agency BBS today and it said:

    “Your access to this system is revoked.”

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 10 11:52:59 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 09 2019 06:11 pm

    I am starting to feel very disappointed with the way things turned out on FSXNet. They mocked me and humiliated me there. Then they ignored me.

    I don't recall seeing anyone mocking you there. Some reasonably polite requests to you about your posting habits (just like what has happened here in Dove-Net), but that's all. Also have seen multiple people reply to several of your recent posts there.

    Very sad how a network runs.

    That network seems to run just fine.

    So they gossip behind my back so I will do the sam with them so they know how it feels.

    People "gossip behind your back" on public echos? How is that possible?

    Dove-Net is a way better network. It' stood the test of time and will always > be my home here.

    I think I remember you being upset with your treatment here in Dove, also, but maybe I'm confused on that. In any case, remember that following the accepted norms in posting methods/practices will go a long ways in keeping others (and therefore yourself too) happy.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Thu Oct 10 10:41:46 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 09 2019 06:11 pm

    I don't recall seeing anyone mocking you there. Some reasonably polite requests to you about your posting habits (just like what has happened here in Dove-Net), but that's all. Also have seen multiple people reply to several of your recent posts there.

    That network seems to run just fine.

    People "gossip behind your back" on public echos? How is that possible?

    I think I remember you being upset with your treatment here in Dove, also, but maybe I'm confused on that. In any case, remember that following the accepted norms in posting methods/practices will go a long ways in keeping others (and therefore yourself too) happy.

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    $ The Millionaire $

    Hey at least I participate in the message bases rather than me just leeching files instead. What does that accomplish? When I ran a BBS before back in the day, my users loved lots of messages because it gave them something to respond to. In the olden days your post ratio had to be several messages before you even got to the games or files sections which would eat up a chunk of your time left to do the other one or both before your time was up for that day. Plus I see others including Avon post a lot too. I don’t see them complaining about them, are they? That’s all I have to say on the matter for now.

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 10 14:13:39 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 09 2019 06:11 pm

    I am starting to feel very disappointed with the way things turned out on FSXNet. They mocked me and humiliated me there. Then they ignored me. Very sad how a network runs. So they gossip behind my back so I will do the same with them so they know how it feels. Dove-Net is a way better network. It's stood the test of time and will always be my home here.

    $ The Millionaire $

    Have you ever considered the problem may be YOU???

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to HusTler on Thu Oct 10 11:51:21 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 09 2019 06:11 pm

    Have you ever considered the problem may be YOU???

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    What is that supposed to mean?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 10 15:57:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I don't recall seeing anyone mocking you there. Some reasonably polite requests to you about your posting habits (just like what has happened here in Dove-Net), but that's all. Also have seen multiple people reply to several of your recent posts there.

    That network seems to run just fine.

    People "gossip behind your back" on public echos? How is that possible?

    I think I remember you being upset with your treatment here in Dove, also, but maybe I'm confused on that. In any case, remember that following the accepted norms in posting methods/practices will go a long ways in keeping others (and therefore yourself too) happy.

    Hey at least I participate in the message bases rather than me
    just leeching files instead. What does that accomplish? When I
    ran a BBS before back in the day, my users loved lots of messages
    because it gave them something to respond to. In the olden days
    your post ratio had to be several messages before you even got to
    the games or files sections which would eat up a chunk of your
    time left to do the other one or both before your time was up for
    that day.

    Yes, that's nice, but irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    Plus I see others including Avon post a lot too. I
    don't see them complaining about them, are they? That's all I
    have to say on the matter for now.

    Dude. Please. The problem is *NOT* that you post a lot. Really,
    that's not the issue. You actually don't really post a lot.

    The issue is the *WAY* you post. You post off-the-wall questions
    about things (which is OK actually), but you make all kinds of
    assumptions that people know what you're talking about. For
    example, your posts about "MAID" come to mind. Nobody knows what
    that is, and you put it as the subject of your message and then
    ask what everybody thinks about "this sensitive subject".
    Very cryptic with no other context provided. Nobody knows how to
    reply to such a message because it just doesn't make much sense to
    them. See?

    Or... you post a question, several people reply to it and in turn
    ask you to clarify/amplify something, and...... you ignore it and
    don't reply. Quite aggravating to most people. You yourself
    state often that you get aggravated when you don't get replies.
    Well.... do you think others might wonder why you (almost never)
    reply back to keep a thread moving along?

    And... you often don't bother quoting ANYTHING in your reply, so
    the person you're replying to (and everybody else) doesn't know
    what the heck you're talking about. That tends to make them not
    bother replying to you. See?

    Or... you sometimes quote the ENTIRE message, including headers,
    signature blocks, origin lines, tear lines, etc... This is all
    just clutter and makes it difficult to read, and again....tends to
    make folks not want to bother to replly. See?

    As some others have already told you, if you would try to follow
    the accepted practices in messaging, like almost everybody else
    does (this is often called "netiquette"), I think you would see
    much more favorable results/replies. Hope this helps!



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Thu Oct 10 14:14:03 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 10 2019 07:52 am

    People "gossip behind your back" on public echos? How is that possible?

    If people are going to talk about me behind my back, I would always prefer that they talk about me behind my back to my face. :P

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 10 14:16:07 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:41 am

    Hey at least I participate in the message bases rather than me just leeching files instead. What does that accomplish? When I ran a BBS before

    These days, I don't think it really matters if a user wants to leech files from your BBS. When you have a BBS set up on the internet, you can set up basically as many nodes as you want for users to connect and use your BBS. Also, broadband download speeds are fairly fast these days. So IMO it's not really taking up many resources if a user decides to download a bunch of files from your BBS these days. I occasionally see users download a bunch of files from my BBS, and I'm glad people are finding my BBS useful for something.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Thu Oct 10 16:18:34 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 10 2019 11:57 am

    Or... you sometimes quote the ENTIRE message, including headers, signature blocks, origin lines, tear lines, etc... This is all
    just clutter and makes it difficult to read, and again....tends to
    make folks not want to bother to replly. See?

    To be fair, some editors (or the way they're set up) only allow quoting the entire message, which would require the user to go and remove parts of the quoted message they don't want to be included, which could be a hassle. I've noticed that web-based message systems (which I believe The Millionaire is using) is one that tends to quote the entire message. I suppose it's not that difficult to remove text in a web-based editor, but The Millionaire has also said he's using an iPad - so on a touch screen, it might not be the easiest thing to select and delete text.

    I agree it adds clutter, but we should also take into consideration that different people are using different devices and editors that could make it difficult to do some of the things that others might take for granted.

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Thu Oct 10 22:06:00 2019
    I've been seeing people replying to your messages there, so I'm not sure what y
    u mean when you say people are ignoring you there.

    I have not seen any new posts from him there in multiple days, though.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 10 22:41:46 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Oct 09 2019 07:42 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 09 2019 06:11 pm

    I've been seeing people replying to your messages there, so I'm not sure w you mean when you say people are ignoring you there.

    Nightfox

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    Well the old ones maybe but new ones no. I logged onto Agency BBS today and said:

    "Your access to this system is revoked."


    that's shitty. i cant even find fsxnet on his bbs.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Dumas Walker on Thu Oct 10 21:01:53 2019
    I have not seen any new posts from him there in multiple days, though.

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    Would you like some proof?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Thu Oct 10 23:38:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: FSXNet
    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 10 2019 07:52 am

    People "gossip behind your back" on public echos? How is that
    possible?

    If people are going to talk about me behind my back, I would
    always prefer that they talk about me behind my back to my face.
    :P

    Yes, don't we all?! Well, except for TM, I guess. ;-)



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Thu Oct 10 23:42:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 10 2019 11:57 am

    Or... you sometimes quote the ENTIRE message, including headers,
    signature blocks, origin lines, tear lines, etc... This is all
    just clutter and makes it difficult to read, and again....tends to
    make folks not want to bother to replly. See?

    To be fair, some editors (or the way they're set up) only allow
    quoting the entire message, which would require the user to go
    and remove parts of the quoted message they don't want to be
    included, which could be a hassle.

    Could be. Okay. Whether it's a "hassle" or not doesn't change
    the accepted norms for posting messages, though.

    I've noticed that web-based
    message systems (which I believe The Millionaire is using) is one
    that tends to quote the entire message. I suppose it's not that
    difficult to remove text in a web-based editor, but The
    Millionaire has also said he's using an iPad - so on a touch
    screen, it might not be the easiest thing to select and delete
    text.

    Again, doesn't really matter what method is used or needed, to
    conform to proper posting practices. If it's not the easiest,
    then perhaps the user needs to explore using other methods...

    I agree it adds clutter, but we should also take into
    consideration that different people are using different devices
    and editors that could make it difficult to do some of the things
    that others might take for granted.

    Yes, I understand that, but my outlook is that you do what you
    need to do in order to do something properly. Doesn't matter what
    that "something" is.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Thu Oct 10 22:34:56 2019
    Yes, I understand that, but my outlook is that you do what you
    need to do in order to do something properly. Doesn't matter what
    that "something" is.

    You sound like a perfectionist to me. But hey guess what? Opinions are like ******** because everyone has one. Year end of the lesson.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Special K@VERT/CYBERBBS to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 01:28:44 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 10 2019 10:16:07

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:41 am

    Hey at least I participate in the message bases rather than me just leeching files instead. What does that accomplish? When I ran a BBS before

    These days, I don't think it really matters if a user wants to leech files from your BBS. When you have a BBS set up on the internet, you can set up basically as many nodes as you want for users to connect and use your BBS. Also, broadband download speeds are fairly fast these days. So IMO it's not really taking up many resources if a user decides to download a bunch of files from your BBS these days. I occasionally see users download a bunch of files from my BBS, and I'm glad people are finding my BBS useful for something.

    Nightfox

    Btw Nightfox, I downloaded a bunch from you yesterday...so thank you! I found it very useful, I'll be a frequent visitor for sure.

    Special K

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sat Oct 12 00:45:00 2019
    On 10-10-19 10:16, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Thu Oct 10 2019 06:41 am

    Hey at least I participate in the message bases rather than me just leeching files instead. What does that accomplish? When I ran a BBS before

    These days, I don't think it really matters if a user wants to leech
    files from your BBS. When you have a BBS set up on the internet, you
    can set up basically as many nodes as you want for users to connect and use your BBS. Also, broadband download speeds are fairly fast these
    days. So IMO it's not really taking up many resources if a user
    decides to download a bunch of files from your BBS these days. I occasionally see users download a bunch of files from my BBS, and I'm
    glad people are finding my BBS useful for something.

    All of my files are "free" for that reason - users downloading them aren't a strain on the system or my Internet connection, and it doesn't cost me anything either - I have unlimited bandwidth.

    I do suggest that if you can, connect via IPv6, you should get a faster connection that way. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sat Oct 12 00:48:00 2019
    On 10-10-19 12:18, Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    message. I suppose it's not that difficult to remove text in a
    web-based editor, but The Millionaire has also said he's using an iPad
    - so on a touch screen, it might not be the easiest thing to select and delete text.

    That is true. I find it a pain, though I still did it where possible, when I was trying out NNTP on my iPad a few years ago.

    I agree it adds clutter, but we should also take into consideration
    that different people are using different devices and editors that
    could make it difficult to do some of the things that others might take for granted.

    Yes, we can't be too hasty to assume.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 00:54:00 2019
    On 10-10-19 19:42, Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Again, doesn't really matter what method is used or needed, to
    conform to proper posting practices. If it's not the easiest,
    then perhaps the user needs to explore using other methods...

    There's a whole host of other possible factors. It IS 2019, and we should be more inclusive. I believe, IIRC from his earlier posts that TM has some physical disability or other issues that make an iPad the most useable device for him. When a society starts imposing their rules in an unreasonable manner (i.e. without listening to people with specific needs), then I get very annoyed, as I've spent a lifetime facing that (for me, BBSs were one of the few places I did fit social norms).

    Yes, I understand that, but my outlook is that you do what you
    need to do in order to do something properly. Doesn't matter what
    that "something" is.

    So, we should tell wheelchair users they should use the stairs while we're at it?


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 11 12:08:00 2019
    Vk3jed wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Again, doesn't really matter what method is used or needed, to
    conform to proper posting practices. If it's not the easiest,
    then perhaps the user needs to explore using other methods...

    There's a whole host of other possible factors. It IS 2019, and
    we should be more inclusive. I believe, IIRC from his earlier
    posts that TM has some physical disability or other issues that
    make an iPad the most useable device for him. When a society
    starts imposing their rules in an unreasonable manner (i.e.
    without listening to people with specific needs), then I get very
    annoyed, as I've spent a lifetime facing that (for me, BBSs were
    one of the few places I did fit social norms).

    I understand what you're saying here, and I agree with it. All I
    mean is that there is (should be?) a minimum acceptable limit on
    how much a person's performance/behavior/ability can vary from
    accepted norms before somebody has to say something about it.

    For example, we (society) don't let a blind person pilot a
    commercial aircraft. We don't let a paranoid schizophrenic
    operate a child daycare center. Those restrictions do not amount
    to "imposing rules in an unreasonable manner".

    Yes, I understand that, but my outlook is that you do what you
    need to do in order to do something properly. Doesn't matter what
    that "something" is.

    So, we should tell wheelchair users they should use the stairs
    while we're at it?

    No. That is not a valid/fair analogy. The corrected version of
    what I'm getting at is this: Wheelchair users need to be on time
    getting to work just like everyone else, regardless of whether you
    get into the building via the stairs or the access ramp. If it
    takes the wheelchair users a few minutes longer to get to their
    desk from the parking lot, then they need to leave the house a few
    minutes earlier. Nothing about that is "unreasonable".

    So, to loop back to the original point here ... If it takes a user
    a few minutes longer to properly post a message while using an
    iPad, then... they should take a few minutes longer and do it
    correctly.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Special K on Fri Oct 11 13:40:12 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Special K to Nightfox on Thu Oct 10 2019 09:28 pm

    Btw Nightfox, I downloaded a bunch from you yesterday...so thank you! I found it very useful, I'll be a frequent visitor for sure.

    I saw, and it's no problem. :)

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 11 13:41:05 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 2019 08:45 pm

    I do suggest that if you can, connect via IPv6, you should get a faster connection that way. :)

    I haven't explored IPv6 much yet.. I probbaly should, as I know IPv4 is probably going to stop working at some point.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 11 14:00:39 2019
    There's a whole host of other possible factors. It IS 2019, and we should be more inclusive. I believe, IIRC from his earlier posts that TM has some physical disability or other issues that make an iPad the most useable device for him. When a society starts imposing their rules in an unreasonable manner (i.e. without listening to people with specific needs), then I get very annoyed, as I've spent a lifetime facing that (for me, BBSs were one of the few places I did fit social norms).

    So, we should tell wheelchair users they should use the stairs while we're at it?

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    Yes, I do have physical disability issues. I only have one left hand to use to type with. My right shoulder is damaged for good and can’t use my right hand at all now and I also live in a care facility as well. So yes I believe it is 2019 and the world has changed in many ways now and we should respect people like me but not concentrate on it at the same time. Like they said on the internet before, treat everyone the same no matter what colour, race, creed or religion.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 11 20:00:59 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 2019 08:45 pm


    I do suggest that if you can, connect via IPv6, you should get a faster connection that way. :)


    why is there a speed difference? does your isp throttle?
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Fri Oct 11 19:01:11 2019
    Yes, don't we all?! Well, except for TM, I guess. ;-)

    ... Can you tell me how to get, how to get to Sesame Street?
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    Well here’s an example:

    From tallship@21:2/104 to Spectre on Wednesday, October 09, 2019 23:10:13
    On 10 Oct 2019, Spectre said the following...

    Um... Hey is that guy who caused this thread to be spawned still post

    He seems quiet, but is kicking around out there somewhere...


    Yeah when he intimated that perhaps Paul was spamming I was like, um, Okay
    here we go, he's sitting in the ejection seat now lolz.

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    $ The Millionaire $
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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 03:10:15 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 09 2019 18:11:35

    I am starting to feel very disappointed with the way things turned out on FSXNet.

    What exactly is "FSXNet"? I read it's connected to Fidonet, but it is not very clear what it is and what distinguishes from the rest of Fidonet.

    UwU Don't read everything you believe!

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Ash on Fri Oct 11 20:16:46 2019
    It means (F)un (S)imple E(X)perimental Network. But I wouldn’t go there. They are rude, arrogant and ignorant people. They treat you like crap there. Evil people all around the board. Stay away at all costs otherwise you’ll be sorry you went there in the first place. You have been warned.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Ash on Sat Oct 12 14:51:05 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Ash on Fri Oct 11 2019 04:16 pm

    It means (F)un (S)imple E(X)perimental Network. But I wouldn't go there. They are rude, arrogant and ignorant people. They treat you like crap there.
    Evil people all around the board. Stay away at all costs otherwise you'll be sorry you went there in the first place. You have been warned.

    So dont take one persons perception as truth.

    There are many folks in FSX, and I would say the balance of people is heavily weight as not being as described above.

    Check it out for yourself to come to your own conclusion.
    ...δεσ*

    ... Chuck Norris can hear sign language and speak Braille.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ash on Fri Oct 11 20:28:32 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 11 2019 11:10 pm

    I am starting to feel very disappointed with the way things turned out
    on FSXNet.

    What exactly is "FSXNet"? I read it's connected to Fidonet, but it is not very clear what it is and what distinguishes from the rest of Fidonet.

    FSXNet uses Fidonet technologies to exchange messages, but it's not connected to Fidonet. It's its own separate network. FSX stands for Fun, Simple, eXperimental.

    Not sure where you read it's connected to Fidonet, or why it's not clear what FSXNet is?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 11 20:29:24 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Ash on Fri Oct 11 2019 04:16 pm

    It means (F)un (S)imple E(X)perimental Network. But I wouldn't go there. They are rude, arrogant and ignorant people. They treat you like crap there. Evil people all around the board. Stay away at all costs otherwise you'll be sorry you went there in the first place. You have been warned.

    It seems you felt basically the same about Dove-Net not too long ago and you said you wanted to leave.. And more recently, you said Dove-Net is your home?

    Nightfox

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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 03:42:30 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Ash on Fri Oct 11 2019 16:16:46

    It means (F)un (S)imple E(X)perimental Network.

    I mean, I understand the name, I am just wondering what distinguishes from the rest of Fidonet?

    e.g. Is it using some other protocol? Does it have some fancy new features?

    But I wouldn't go there.

    I was more interested in the technical aspects, thus far I haven't heard anything that would entice me socially.

    UwU Don't read everything you believe!

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 20:58:10 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Ash on Fri Oct 11 2019 04:16 pm

    It seems you felt basically the same about Dove-Net not too long ago and you said you wanted to leave.. And more recently, you said Dove-Net is your home?

    Nightfox

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    Yes. I did at one time. That’s true. But it has toned down since then.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to Nightfox on Sat Oct 12 04:09:20 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Ash on Fri Oct 11 2019 16:28:32

    FSXNet uses Fidonet technologies to exchange messages, but it's not connected to Fidonet. It's its own separate network.

    Ah, thank you for the clarification!

    Not sure where you read it's connected to Fidonet, or why it's not clear what FSXNet is?

    Just what I pieced together from other messages.

    ~Ash ∙ UwU ∙ Don't read everything you believe!

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ash on Fri Oct 11 22:50:57 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 11 2019 11:10 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 09 2019 18:11:35

    I am starting to feel very disappointed with the way things turned out on FSXNet.

    What exactly is "FSXNet"? I read it's connected to Fidonet, but it is not ve clear what it is and what distinguishes from the rest of Fidonet.

    it's a msg network ran by a newzealander
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Fri Oct 11 21:28:56 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 11 2019 11:10 pm

    it's a msg network ran by a newzealander
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    Who is a snob by the way I might add. He thinks he’s a real god or something.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Alterego on Fri Oct 11 23:48:48 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Alterego to Ash on Sat Oct 12 2019 10:51 am

    So dont take one persons perception as truth.

    There are many folks in FSX, and I would say the balance of people is heavil weight as not being as described above.

    Check it out for yourself to come to your own conclusion.


    well he was banned by the operator. did he warrant it.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 11 22:32:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Ash <=-

    It means (F)un (S)imple E(X)perimental Network. But I wouldn't go
    there. They are rude, arrogant and ignorant people. They treat
    you like crap there. Evil people all around the board. Stay away
    at all costs otherwise you'll be sorry you went there in the
    first place. You have been warned.

    Other than the first sentence, every single word there above is
    absolute bullshit.

    FSXNet is a great place for intelligent folks to exchange messages
    in a civilized and *NORMAL* manner.

    The Millionaire is just peeved because he got banned for being an
    all around pain in the ass.



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Fri Oct 11 22:51:09 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Alterego to Ash on Sat Oct 12 2019 10:51 am

    well he was banned by the operator. did he warrant it.
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    No. He handled it the wrong way. Do it in private not in public for everyone to read.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Fri Oct 11 22:52:00 2019
    Other than the first sentence, every single word there above is
    absolute bullshit.

    FSXNet is a great place for intelligent folks to exchange messages
    in a civilized and *NORMAL* manner.

    The Millionaire is just peeved because he got banned for being an
    all around pain in the ass.

    ... Post may contain information unsuitable for overly sensitive persons.
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    Try abnormal is the word here.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Fri Oct 11 23:02:21 2019
    Other than the first sentence, every single word there above is
    absolute bullshit.

    FSXNet is a great place for intelligent folks to exchange messages
    in a civilized and *NORMAL* manner.

    The Millionaire is just peeved because he got banned for being an
    all around pain in the ass.

    ... Post may contain information unsuitable for overly sensitive persons.
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    Just don’t come on my bbs or you will be banned too.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 01:18:09 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 11 2019 06:51 pm

    No. He handled it the wrong way. Do it in private not in public for everyone read.

    but who fucking cares. it's just a bbs msg network.

    why dont you get out of where you live and do some volunteer work. you need to get out and live life.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Fri Oct 11 23:50:06 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 11 2019 06:51 pm

    but who fucking cares. it's just a bbs msg network.

    why dont you get out of where you live and do some volunteer work. you need to get out and live life.
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    I did live life for many years before I got real sick. Now I just wait for my time to go back home. I want to leave the Earth for good and never come back ever again. My ticket is punched, my bags are packed but the bus hasn’t arrived yet because it’s running late. :-(

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sat Oct 12 01:19:00 2019
    MRO wrote to Alterego <=-

    So dont take one persons perception as truth.

    There are many folks in FSX, and I would say the balance of people is heavil weight as not being as described above.

    Check it out for yourself to come to your own conclusion.

    well he was banned by the operator. did he warrant it.

    Yes.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 01:22:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    It seems you felt basically the same about Dove-Net not too long ago and you said you wanted to leave.. And more recently, you said Dove-Net is your home?

    The more I read from this guy, the more convinced I am that he's
    bipolar, or something.

    Yes. I did at one time. That's true. But it has toned down since
    then.

    Looks like you're in the process of "toning it up" again, eh?


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 01:24:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to MRO <=-

    it's a msg network ran by a newzealander

    Who is a snob by the way I might add. He thinks he's a real god
    or something.

    More bullshit. Avon is exactly the opposite of a "snob". Anyone
    who frequents FSXNet will tell you the same.



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 00:25:11 2019
    More bullshit. Avon is exactly the opposite of a "snob". Anyone
    who frequents FSXNet will tell you the same.

    ... Rehab is for quitters.
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    He talks about every little thing he does and I don’t think the users care for that too much.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to THE MILLIONAIRE on Sat Oct 12 00:32:00 2019
    I have not seen any new posts from him there in multiple days, though.

    Would you like some proof?

    Honestly, I sort of took what I posted above as proof. I don't really
    think we need to bring the actual dirt over from another network into this
    one.

    Didn't you access fsxnet on Vert and not Paul's board anyway?

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to VK3JED on Sat Oct 12 00:22:00 2019
    There's a whole host of other possible factors. It IS 2019, and we should be >more inclusive. I believe, IIRC from his earlier posts that TM has some >physical disability or other issues that make an iPad the most useable device >for him. When a society starts imposing their rules in an unreasonable manner >(i.e. without listening to people with specific needs), then I get very >annoyed, as I've spent a lifetime facing that (for me, BBSs were one of the few
    places I did fit social norms).

    +1

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Ash on Sat Oct 12 20:34:33 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 11 2019 11:42 pm

    I was more interested in the technical aspects, thus far I haven't heard anything that would entice me socially.

    Technically, its no different to any other FTN network.
    ...δεσ*

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 12 06:23:24 2019
    Honestly, I sort of took what I posted above as proof. I don't really
    think we need to bring the actual dirt over from another network into this one.

    Didn't you access fsxnet on Vert and not Paul's board anyway?

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    Well yes. I actually did. But no one’s posting to me anyways. It’s like dead messaging there now.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 12 06:45:09 2019
    Well yes. I actually did. But no one’s posting to me anyways. It’s like dead messaging there now.

    $ The Millionaire $

    This is what Paul Hayton looks like anyways:

    https://www.librariesaotearoa.org.nz/korero-blog/paul-hayton-is-also-no-numpty

    Another footnote is he goes to Christ Church. One of those weird churches out there. Explains his personality.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Gamgee on Sun Oct 13 00:43:00 2019
    On 10-11-19 08:08, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I understand what you're saying here, and I agree with it. All I
    mean is that there is (should be?) a minimum acceptable limit on
    how much a person's performance/behavior/ability can vary from
    accepted norms before somebody has to say something about it.

    The question is "how much?" And in historically recent times, society has been defining those limits quite narroely in some ways.

    For example, we (society) don't let a blind person pilot a
    commercial aircraft. We don't let a paranoid schizophrenic
    operate a child daycare center. Those restrictions do not amount
    to "imposing rules in an unreasonable manner".

    That's an irrelevant example for obvious reasons - there's a huge public safety aspect.

    So, we should tell wheelchair users they should use the stairs
    while we're at it?

    No. That is not a valid/fair analogy. The corrected version of
    what I'm getting at is this: Wheelchair users need to be on time
    getting to work just like everyone else, regardless of whether you
    get into the building via the stairs or the access ramp. If it
    takes the wheelchair users a few minutes longer to get to their
    desk from the parking lot, then they need to leave the house a few
    minutes earlier. Nothing about that is "unreasonable".

    And there's counter arguments, like what are the transport options? Is it fair and reasonable to ask that person to be in at that specific time, as opposed to negoting a more suitable arrangement.

    So, to loop back to the original point here ... If it takes a user
    a few minutes longer to properly post a message while using an
    iPad, then... they should take a few minutes longer and do it
    correctly.

    And my point still stands. Not knowing the circumstances, how reasonable is that? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for high standards of message editing, but individual circumstances need to be taken into account. And remember what ASS U ME means. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 00:45:00 2019
    On 10-11-19 09:41, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 2019 08:45 pm

    I do suggest that if you can, connect via IPv6, you should get a faster connection that way. :)

    I haven't explored IPv6 much yet.. I probbaly should, as I know IPv4
    is probably going to stop working at some point.

    First step is to see if your ISP offers it. If so, enable IPv6. If not, the easiest method is to get a tunnel. he.net is pretty good for the US.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 00:47:00 2019
    On 10-11-19 10:00, The Millionaire wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yes, I do have physical disability issues. I only have one left hand to

    I thought so, from previous messages, when you first appeared.

    use to type with. My right shoulder is damaged for good and can't use
    my right hand at all now and I also live in a care facility as well. So yes I believe it is 2019 and the world has changed in many ways now and
    we should respect people like me but not concentrate on it at the same time. Like they said on the internet before, treat everyone the same no matter what colour, race, creed or religion.

    On that, I agree, and the online medium has been another "leveller", rendering physical disabilities "invisible". Welcome to my world. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Sun Oct 13 00:48:00 2019
    On 10-11-19 16:00, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/BBSESINF
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 2019 08:45 pm


    I do suggest that if you can, connect via IPv6, you should get a faster connection that way. :)


    why is there a speed difference? does your isp throttle?

    IPv6 is native, IPv4 is via a tunnel, because that's the most economical way to get extra IPv4 addresses.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Ash on Sun Oct 13 01:08:00 2019
    On 10-11-19 23:10, Ash wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    What exactly is "FSXNet"? I read it's connected to Fidonet, but it is
    not very clear what it is and what distinguishes from the rest of
    Fidonet.

    It's not Fidonet, it's another network, though it uses the same technology as Fidonet to distribute messages.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Ash on Sun Oct 13 01:12:00 2019
    On 10-11-19 23:42, Ash wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    @VIA: VERT/FLUFFY
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Ash on Fri Oct 11 2019 16:16:46

    It means (F)un (S)imple E(X)perimental Network.

    I mean, I understand the name, I am just wondering what distinguishes
    from the rest of Fidonet?

    It's not the only network that uses FTN technology. Fidonet just happens to be the first. :)

    e.g. Is it using some other protocol? Does it have some fancy new features?

    No, it uses the same FTN protocols, on a separate network.

    But I wouldn't go there.

    I was more interested in the technical aspects, thus far I haven't
    heard anything that would entice me socially.

    FSXnet uses the same Fidonet technology protocols that Fidonet itself uses, but that's just the transport medium for messages. Fidonet per se is a specific network that uses FTN protocols. FSXnet is another, and I, myself, run yet another network. All these nets are totally separate from each other.


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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to Alterego on Sat Oct 12 15:27:31 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Alterego to Ash on Sat Oct 12 2019 16:34:33

    I was more interested in the technical aspects, thus far I haven't heard anything that would entice me socially.
    Technically, its no different to any other FTN network.

    Oh, thank you for the insight! Do you know what makes fsxNet experimental?

    ~Ash ∙ UwU ∙ Don't read everything you believe!

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Ash on Sat Oct 12 09:04:24 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Alterego to Ash on Sat Oct 12 2019 16:34:33

    Oh, thank you for the insight! Do you know what makes fsxNet experimental?

    ~Ash ∙ UwU ∙ Don't read everything you believe!

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    LOL. Nothing actually. He put that in to attract user attention to his network. It sure sold me.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Ash on Sun Oct 13 03:09:38 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to Alterego on Sat Oct 12 2019 11:27 am

    Oh, thank you for the insight! Do you know what makes fsxNet experimental?

    You can try stuff (the skys the limit), and nobody cries about policy, protocol, technology violations, etc.
    ...δεσ*

    ... The sight of death frightens them [Earthers].

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 11:16:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Other than the first sentence, every single word there above is
    absolute bullshit.

    FSXNet is a great place for intelligent folks to exchange messages
    in a civilized and *NORMAL* manner.

    The Millionaire is just peeved because he got banned for being an
    all around pain in the ass.

    Just don't come on my bbs or you will be banned too.

    You don't have a BBS.



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 10:34:37 2019
    You don't have a BBS.

    ... Can you tell me how to get, how to get to Sesame Street?
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    When I get it set up you’re not welcome on it.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ASH on Sat Oct 12 13:13:00 2019
    What exactly is "FSXNet"? I read it's connected to Fidonet, but it is not very >lear what it is and what distinguishes from the rest of Fidonet.

    It is a fido-technology based network but is not a part of fidonet. So,
    they move the mail the same way as fido, but not via fidonet itself. They
    have a high-traffic general chat area and I think they are the unofficial
    home of mystic bbs software support. Magicka and enigma bbs software, also.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to THE MILLIONAIRE on Sat Oct 12 13:16:00 2019
    it's a msg network ran by a newzealander
    Who is a snob by the way I might add. He thinks he's a real god or something.

    There may be some on that network who feel that way about themselves, but I have never had the impression that avon is one of them.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sat Oct 12 13:38:00 2019
    well he was banned by the operator. did he warrant it.

    He acted like he does here, and he had some issues reposting the same
    messages multiple times. I will say this in his favor, there were some
    folks who are a little too sensitive and who could have easily ignored him if they did not like his posts. Instead, they got all up in arms about it.

    Discussions there are not usually curtailed, but I would also say it is not quite as "free speach/anything goes" as maybe this network is.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to THE MILLIONAIRE on Sat Oct 12 13:20:00 2019
    well he was banned by the operator. did he warrant it.

    No. He handled it the wrong way. Do it in private not in public for everyone to
    read.

    I thought it was private. I only heard about it when I read your posts
    about it here.

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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to Alterego on Sat Oct 12 20:48:52 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Alterego to Ash on Sat Oct 12 2019 23:09:38

    You can try stuff (the skys the limit), and nobody cries about policy, protocol, technology violations, etc.

    Ah, so in theory one could start adding additional header information or start sending information in UTF-8 wrapped in MIME encoding etc?

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 17:15:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Fri Oct 11 2019 20:25:11

    More bullshit. Avon is exactly the opposite of a "snob". Anyone
    who frequents FSXNet will tell you the same.

    He talks about every little thing he does and I don't think the users care for that too much.

    ummm... you do realize that probably 95% or better of the people you see in most any bbs network these days are sysops, don't you? there are very few users any more...

    since avon owns and manages fsxnet, i'm sure its member operators do appreciate his postings about his operation and what he's doing... especially on his system and the network since his system is the main feed for everything in fsxnet and is also used to demonstrate things related to the majority of software used there...

    if you're just a user, perhaps fsxnet is not a network you want to be trying to participate in... especially since you're not yet a sysop (again)...

    2 centavos from the peanut gallery :shrug:


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 16:16:06 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 12 2019 02:23 am

    Well yes. I actually did. But no one's posting to me anyways. It's like
    dead messaging there now.


    oh, so rob blocked you from using fsxnet
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 16:17:37 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 12 2019 02:45 am

    Another footnote is he goes to Christ Church. One of those weird churches ou there. Explains his personality.


    christchurch is a city you fucking idiot.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ash on Sat Oct 12 16:21:15 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to Alterego on Sat Oct 12 2019 11:27 am

    Re: FSXNet
    By: Alterego to Ash on Sat Oct 12 2019 16:34:33

    I was more interested in the technical aspects, thus far I haven't heard anything that would entice me socially.
    Technically, its no different to any other FTN network.

    Oh, thank you for the insight! Do you know what makes fsxNet experimental?


    just go look at it.
    it doesnt have furries on there if that's what you are wondering.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 12 16:43:21 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 09:38 am

    well he was banned by the operator. did he warrant it.

    He acted like he does here, and he had some issues reposting the same messages multiple times. I will say this in his favor, there were some folks who are a little too sensitive and who could have easily ignored him i they did not like his posts. Instead, they got all up in arms about it.

    Discussions there are not usually curtailed, but I would also say it is not quite as "free speach/anything goes" as maybe this network is.


    yes, dm is easy going.

    i looked at fsxnet until i almost died of boredom. it's the same people here except for maybe 4 other guys.

    he's conducting himself over there the same way as on dovenet.
    they dont like millionaire's conversation starters.

    if you think about it, they are being mad at him for being an active user.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to all on Sat Oct 12 16:48:39 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 12 2019 12:43 pm

    He acted like he does here, and he had some issues reposting the same messages multiple times. I will say this in his favor, there were some folks who are a little too sensitive and who could have easily ignored hi


    okay i think i got to the bottom of this.

    esc says this:
    "
    Respectfully, I have a request. Can you please observe how the rest of us tend to communicate here and make an attempt to assimilate? So many of your posts feel like spam. Frankly, it's annoying, and I thought you said you were leaving after a temper tantrum.

    "

    so they want him to be like everyone else.

    they are used to being lone sysops posting on msg networks without real users. used to saying what everyone else says, talking about the good old days. it's like a bunch of parrots.

    these guys have like 1000 msg posted in some msg subs for over a week but it's just boring shit.

    made me want to slam the enter key a thousand times.

    so he's something different and they dont want different. so they dont want him.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Rampage on Sat Oct 12 16:54:46 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Rampage to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 2019 01:15 pm

    if you're just a user, perhaps fsxnet is not a network you want to be trying participate in... especially since you're not yet a sysop (again)...


    maybe they need to be a closed msg network since they're so picky.
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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 12 17:32:41 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 2019 20:47:00


    On that, I agree, and the online medium has been another "leveller", rendering
    physical disabilities "invisible". Welcome to my world. :)

    i had a few users on my system back in the '80s and '90s that used mouthsticks for all their interaction... one didn't have both hands and one arm (industrial accident) and another was a quadraplegic (war vet)... others had varying degrees of handicaps that affected their mobility and typing abilities... numerous ones of them dreamed of the day when voice control and electronic dictation was a real thing... then they would only need to weild a headset with a mic instead of all the other mess they had to use back then...

    i've had numerous deaf and/or non-sighted users over the years, too... you generally can't tell because the medium removes all the visuals and audio cues while placing everyone on the same level playing field with the same appearance from the other side of the screen...


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Ash on Sat Oct 12 17:47:35 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to Alterego on Sat Oct 12 2019 16:48:52

    You can try stuff (the skys the limit), and nobody cries about policy, protocol, technology violations, etc.

    Ah, so in theory one could start adding additional header information or start sending information in UTF-8 wrapped in MIME encoding etc?

    you can do that in most any FTN... the thing is why? no one else's systems can decode that stuff to anything readable...

    then there's why wrap it in MIME mess? that adds another layer that really isn't needed... not to mention the additional overhead it presents...

    if you're going to send UTF-8 or UTF-16, just send it... FTNs have long been able to transport binary without problems... an example is FTNs being able to carry netmail with binary files attached instead of them being UU, XX or mime encoded into text for the transport... all of those encoding methods also increase the size of the message because of the encoding... at least 1/3rd again... a 3Meg file attached to a message means 4Meg being transferred... that's crazy...

    folks think that today's internet tech is so much better but if they really looked under the hood, they'd see how primitive it really is...


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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to Rampage on Sat Oct 12 22:58:50 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Rampage to Ash on Sat Oct 12 2019 13:47:35

    you can do that in most any FTN... the thing is why? no one else's systems can decode that stuff to anything readable...

    Sure, I was just trying to understand what was allowed really.

    if you're going to send UTF-8 or UTF-16, just send it...

    Yeah, bad example. I didn't realize FTN supported binary etc.

    folks think that today's internet tech is so much better but if they really looked under the hood, they'd see how primitive it really is...

    I don't really know what you're referring to here. I can't think of anything that would be considered 'today' technology that meets any of the criteria I mentioned. It's all just legacy cruft with workarounds.


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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to MRO on Sat Oct 12 23:01:37 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Ash on Sat Oct 12 2019 12:21:15

    just go look at it.

    Was a topic raised here, I'm just chatting.

    it doesnt have furries on there if that's what you are wondering.

    We got our own stuff, I'm not worried about that. But thank you for the information. <3

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sat Oct 12 17:04:48 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 09:38 am

    yes, dm is easy going.

    i looked at fsxnet until i almost died of boredom. it's the same people here except for maybe 4 other guys.

    he's conducting himself over there the same way as on dovenet.
    they dont like millionaire's conversation starters.

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    I’ve known DM for many years now since 2006 I think somewhere around there.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sat Oct 12 17:17:29 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 09:38 am

    yes, dm is easy going.

    i looked at fsxnet until i almost died of boredom. it's the same people here except for maybe 4 other guys.

    he's conducting himself over there the same way as on dovenet.
    they dont like millionaire's conversation starters.

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    Then they’re screwed up people if they don’t like active users. Avon told me to only post replies and post any new messages. That sounds completely crazy to me.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sat Oct 12 17:22:03 2019
    Then they’re screwed up people if they don’t like active users. Avon told me to only post replies and not post any new messages. That sounds completely crazy to me.

    $ The Millionaire $


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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 00:44:22 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 13:17:29

    Then they're screwed up people if they don't like active users. Avon told
    me to only post replies and post any new messages. That sounds completely crazy to me.

    This doesn't seem like the full story to me.

    Are you saying that you weren't told (I wouldn't know) specifically what you did wrong and ended up being told, "you can only reply now, kthxbye" ?

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 12 18:17:00 2019
    Vk3jed wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I understand what you're saying here, and I agree with it. All I
    mean is that there is (should be?) a minimum acceptable limit on
    how much a person's performance/behavior/ability can vary from
    accepted norms before somebody has to say something about it.

    The question is "how much?" And in historically recent times,
    society has been defining those limits quite narroely in some
    ways.

    Yes, the quantifying of such things is the difficult part. I do
    agree that the "limits" have probably narrowed in recent times,
    and that's a whole 'nother discussion probably...
    However... in the case at hand with a certain person's behavior, I
    do not think there's any doubt that lines have been crossed.

    So, we should tell wheelchair users they should use the stairs
    while we're at it?

    No. That is not a valid/fair analogy. The corrected version of
    what I'm getting at is this: Wheelchair users need to be on time
    getting to work just like everyone else, regardless of whether you
    get into the building via the stairs or the access ramp. If it
    takes the wheelchair users a few minutes longer to get to their
    desk from the parking lot, then they need to leave the house a few
    minutes earlier. Nothing about that is "unreasonable".

    And there's counter arguments, like what are the transport
    options? Is it fair and reasonable to ask that person to be in
    at that specific time, as opposed to negoting a more suitable
    arrangement.

    No, I don't think that's a valid counter argument. In my example
    above, the wheelchair user does not (and should not) get any
    further "breaks" as compared to a non-handicapped person. If you
    want to work a particular job, you are expected to be on time to
    work (what that time may be), regardless of how long your
    transport time may be. If you have to allow additional time to
    get to work, that's your problem. This is all assuming that
    proper/required access routes (ramps vs stairs for example) are in
    place. I'm almost not sure we're talking about the same thing
    here... Are you saying that if the normal office "start time" is
    8:00AM, the handicapped person shouldn't have to start until maybe
    9:00AM? If so I don't agree with that at all.

    So, to loop back to the original point here ... If it takes a user
    a few minutes longer to properly post a message while using an
    iPad, then... they should take a few minutes longer and do it
    correctly.

    And my point still stands. Not knowing the circumstances, how
    reasonable is that? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for high
    standards of message editing, but individual circumstances need
    to be taken into account. And remember what ASS U ME means. :)

    Concur on the ASSume word... but... we all know that 'TM' *CAN*
    properly format/post a message, because he has done it on a few
    occasions. It *CAN* be done, and to my mind therefore, it
    *SHOULD* be done. Yes, I'm sure it's a little harder on an iPad
    than what others are doing, but that's not my (or your) problem.
    We should not feel obligated to change (lower) the acceptable
    standards of message writing because one person can't be bothered
    to do it properly, *EVEN* *IF* that particular person has to
    expend more effort than other people. That's my whole point,
    right there. Standards are standards.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 18:19:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-

    You don't have a BBS.

    When I get it set up you're not welcome on it.

    All right, I promise I won't call.

    How goes the plan of getting the MSP "in October"?



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 12 18:28:00 2019
    Dumas Walker wrote to THE MILLIONAIRE <=-

    it's a msg network ran by a newzealander

    Who is a snob by the way I might add. He thinks he's a real god or something.

    There may be some on that network who feel that way about
    themselves, but I have never had the impression that avon is one
    of them.

    Neither has anyone else...



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Ash on Sat Oct 12 18:45:05 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 13:17:29

    This doesn't seem like the full story to me.

    Are you saying that you weren't told (I wouldn't know) specifically what you did wrong and ended up being told, "you can only reply now, kthxbye" ?

    ~Ash ∙ UwU ∙ Don't read everything you believe!

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    Yes exactly what he said.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 18:47:58 2019
    All right, I promise I won't call.

    How goes the plan of getting the MSP "in October"?

    ... WORK HARDER!... Millions on welfare depend on YOU!
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    Well I found out there’s a battery drain problem with the MSP now. So now I’m shopping around for other ideas.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Ash on Sat Oct 12 18:58:32 2019
    This is what I wrote to Paul Hayton aka Avon:

    Public Apology

    From The Millionaire to Avon on Saturday, October 05, 2019 16:45:05

    Sorry for over posting messages. Didn’t mean to cause harm or inflict pain to anyone as it was not intentional in any way shape or form. That’s all I have left to say.

    $ The Millionaire $

    From The Millionaire to Avon on Wednesday, October 09, 2019 13:26:23

    Yes I’m still here and I’ve apologized as well for what I did twice and publicly.

    $ The Millionaire $

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 19:11:05 2019
    All right, I promise I won't call.

    How goes the plan of getting the MSP "in October"?

    ... WORK HARDER!... Millions on welfare depend on YOU!
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    I’ll be also starting a network up as well too.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Rampage on Sat Oct 12 20:58:04 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Rampage to Ash on Sat Oct 12 2019 01:47 pm

    able to transport binary without problems... an example is FTNs being able t carry netmail with binary files attached instead of them being UU, XX or mim encoded into text for the transport... all of those encoding methods also increase the size of the message because of the encoding... at least 1/3rd again... a 3Meg file attached to a message means 4Meg being transferred... that's crazy...


    holy crap, good thing nobody ever did that on my system. i'd run out of floppy disks.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 21:04:00 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 01:17 pm


    Then they're screwed up people if they don't like active users. Avon told
    me to only post replies and post any new messages. That sounds completely cr to me.



    ┌────────────────────────····
    │ Subj: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu?
    │ To : The Millionaire
    │ From: Netsurge (21:4/154)
    │ Date: Fri Sep 27 2019 02:18 pm UTC-4:00 (15.0 days ago) └───────────────────────────────────────────────······

    Which is more your favorite version? I like KDE because it reminds me a lot of Windows. So my choice would be Kubuntu. What's yours?

    You just don't get it, do you.

    frank // netsurge
    disksh0p!bbs % bbs.diskshop.ca % mystic goodness


    --snip--

    and then i see this shit.

    just dont associate with them. honestly that msg network is boring as shit. i read through a bunch of it.

    most of the people left in bbsing are a bunch of posers that can't keep a system running and couldnt hack it in the old days.
    there's no real users now and we're just clutching at pieces of the past and becoming more and more pathetic.

    maybe just go find a forum that suits you instead of 'the bbs scene'
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ash on Sat Oct 12 21:04:34 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 2019 08:44 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 13:17:29

    Then they're screwed up people if they don't like active users. Avon told me to only post replies and post any new messages. That sounds completely crazy to me.

    This doesn't seem like the full story to me.

    Are you saying that you weren't told (I wouldn't know) specifically what you


    just go on vert.synchro.net and read it all.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sat Oct 12 19:27:36 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 01:17 pm

    ┌────────────────────────· ···
    │ Subj: Re: Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu?
    │ To : The Millionaire
    │ From: Netsurge (21:4/154)
    │ Date: Fri Sep 27 2019 02:18 pm UTC-4:00 (15.0 days ago) └──── ───────────────────────── ────────────────······

    You just don't get it, do you.

    frank // netsurge
    disksh0p!bbs % bbs.diskshop.ca % mystic goodness

    --snip--

    and then i see this shit.

    just dont associate with them. honestly that msg network is boring as shit. i read through a bunch of it.

    most of the people left in bbsing are a bunch of posers that can't keep a system running and couldnt hack it in the old days.
    there's no real users now and we're just clutching at pieces of the past and becoming more and more pathetic.

    maybe just go find a forum that suits you instead of 'the bbs scene'
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    I like the BBS Scene. As a former Sysop, I enjoyed running a BBS as it was entertaining reading and writing with other people and sharing our thoughts with each other on different topics at hand. What I hate is when some losers spoil it for the rest of the group and I assure you I dealt with scumbags (they were called lamers/ankle biters back then) before in the past on my BBS and got rid of them in a proper and civilized manner.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Ash on Sun Oct 13 14:15:34 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to Alterego on Sat Oct 12 2019 04:48 pm

    You can try stuff (the skys the limit), and nobody cries about policy, protocol, technology violations, etc.
    Ah, so in theory one could start adding additional header information or start sending information in UTF-8 wrapped in MIME encoding etc?

    Yeah sure - you break it you fix it too :)
    ...δεσ*

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Rampage on Sun Oct 13 11:46:00 2019
    On 10-12-19 13:32, Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i had a few users on my system back in the '80s and '90s that used mouthsticks for all their interaction... one didn't have both hands and one arm (industrial accident) and another was a quadraplegic (war
    vet)... others had varying degrees of handicaps that affected their mobility and typing abilities... numerous ones of them dreamed of the
    day when voice control and electronic dictation was a real thing...
    then they would only need to weild a headset with a mic instead of all
    the other mess they had to use back then...

    Yes, it's good that this medium allows people with various disabilities intermingle in a transparent way.

    i've had numerous deaf and/or non-sighted users over the years, too...
    you generally can't tell because the medium removes all the visuals and audio cues while placing everyone on the same level playing field with
    the same appearance from the other side of the screen...

    Yes. I've seen similar on ham radio, where there's a significant number of "white stick operators" as they like to call themselves - blind or vision impaired users.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Rampage on Sun Oct 13 12:23:00 2019
    On 10-12-19 13:47, Rampage wrote to Ash <=-

    if you're going to send UTF-8 or UTF-16, just send it... FTNs have long been able to transport binary without problems... an example is FTNs
    being able to carry netmail with binary files attached instead of them being UU, XX or mime encoded into text for the transport... all of
    those encoding methods also increase the size of the message because of the encoding... at least 1/3rd again... a 3Meg file attached to a
    message means 4Meg being transferred... that's crazy...

    Yep, one area where FTN excels is efficiency, because it was designed to make the most of slow, intermittent modem connections. Internet tech didn't have as severe constraints on its available network bandwidth, for the most part.

    folks think that today's internet tech is so much better but if they really looked under the hood, they'd see how primitive it really is...

    True! :)


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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to MRO on Sun Oct 13 03:49:38 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 2019 17:04:00

    most of the people left in bbsing are a bunch of posers that can't keep a system running and couldnt hack it in the old days.

    Or too young to have experienced it at it's prime, to know any better.

    there's no real users now and we're just clutching at pieces of the past and becoming more and more pathetic.

    Maybe; I think fostering a community in the BBS scene today requires mixing hobbies together. But, I feel that a lot of people are very singular in their hobbies.

    maybe just go find a forum that suits you instead of 'the bbs scene'

    Even that's now going out of fashion, try "Facebook page". :(

    Synchronet is going to need a service for connecting Facebook pages next. :'D

    ~Ash ∙ UwU ∙ Don't read everything you believe!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Gamgee on Sun Oct 13 14:52:00 2019
    On 10-12-19 14:17, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yes, the quantifying of such things is the difficult part. I do
    agree that the "limits" have probably narrowed in recent times,
    and that's a whole 'nother discussion probably...

    True, but I was just raising that point, because today's society leaves little room for the eccentrics who in past eras found their niche.

    However... in the case at hand with a certain person's behavior, I
    do not think there's any doubt that lines have been crossed.

    Certainly in some ways, I concur, but I could argue that there's been some unnaceptable behaviour on both sides, as a bit of mob mentality crept in.

    So, we should tell wheelchair users they should use the stairs
    while we're at it?

    And there's counter arguments, like what are the transport
    options? Is it fair and reasonable to ask that person to be in
    at that specific time, as opposed to negoting a more suitable
    arrangement.

    No, I don't think that's a valid counter argument. In my example

    Not if they physically can't get there before a certain time.

    above, the wheelchair user does not (and should not) get any
    further "breaks" as compared to a non-handicapped person. If you
    want to work a particular job, you are expected to be on time to
    work (what that time may be), regardless of how long your
    transport time may be. If you have to allow additional time to
    get to work, that's your problem. This is all assuming that

    So, if there's no suitable transport available for whatever reason before some time maybe 10 minutes late?

    proper/required access routes (ramps vs stairs for example) are in
    place. I'm almost not sure we're talking about the same thing

    Yes, we'll allow that assumption for the purposes of this discussion. :)

    here... Are you saying that if the normal office "start time" is
    8:00AM, the handicapped person shouldn't have to start until maybe
    9:00AM? If so I don't agree with that at all.

    Why not? It might also turn out that this person can more easily stay an hour later than come in that hour earlier, and that later hour might be of more benefit to the employer. What's wrong with a bit of flexibility?

    expend more effort than other people. That's my whole point,
    right there. Standards are standards.

    And that attitude gets up my nose, because for some people it is quite mentally costly to adhere to. I've spent my entire life dealing with that crap. OH, I don't condone TM's actions, but I don't condone a mob beating with the standards book either. Don't get me started down that track.


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  • From Black Panther@VERT/CASTLERO to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 23:21:00 2019
    On 12 Oct 2019, The Millionaire said the following...

    Then they're screwed up people if they don't like active users. Avon told me to only post replies and post any new messages. That sounds
    completely crazy to me.

    You may want to get your stories straight before insulting an entire active network, including the person who started it.

    I have not commented, one way or another, on this topic, until now. When I
    feel that I'm being insulted by someone who knows absolutely NOTHING, about
    the people in involved in a network, then throws out insults towards everyone associated with that network, I will step in.

    First of all, you received a message from Avon (Paul Hayton) stating not in address all of your message to him, as he did not have time to personally respond to all of them. Here is his message to you:

    snip<=-

    On 12 Sep 2019 at 08:28a, The Millionaire pondered and said...

    IΓÇÖm having so much fun like the network says. ItΓÇÖs a gas being here.
    I finally found a home where I can feel welcome here. Thanks Avon for creating this place. Much appreciated in the long run. :-)

    Hi there, hey all good, and thanks for the positive feedback about the network.

    Some feedback if I may...

    Can I suggest rather than starting multiple posts asking an open question of me or someone else, you would perhaps get more enjoyment / engagement from some if you added your thoughts to existing threads running already.

    By all means feel free to post a question etc. but I'm going be honest and
    say for all of the threads / questions you're posting addressed to me that cover a wide range of subjects... I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to
    respond to them all due to time I have available to commit to echomail etc.

    Just wanted to you to be aware of that if you post a question to me asking what do I think of X and I don't necessarily respond to it. That's why.

    Oh and is there anything I can do to help you with the mangled characters that seem to appear in some of your posts? Unsure what you're using to post with but it seems to be a consistent thing with some of the posts your sending. Looks like characters like " or ' etc.

    snip<=-

    After reading this message, you replied with:

    snip<=-

    Okay IΓÇÖll stop posting messages altogether and just read instead since itΓÇÖsbothersome it seems.

    snip<=-

    At what point in that message did Paul tell you not to post new messages?

    To tell you the truth, I actually had no problems with your posts, until
    there ended up being multiple duplicate messages ending up in the net. Evidently there was some issue where you couldn't see them on your end.

    I looked at you as someone who was trying to start conversations within the network.

    Then you started throwing temper tantrums, and you lost my backing from me.

    As far as I know, your access to the network was not cut. It's possible that
    DM cut your access on Vert, but I don't see him as being the type of person
    to do that to anyone.

    So don't try spreading your version of the 'truth', so that you can try get sympathy from others. If you're going to try to tell people what happened,
    try telling them the truth, and not insulting any entire network because of your temper tantrums.


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 00:49:12 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 13:17:29

    he's conducting himself over there the same way as on dovenet.
    they dont like millionaire's conversation starters.

    if you think about it, they are being mad at him for being an active user.

    Then they're screwed up people if they don't like active users. Avon told
    me to only post replies and post any new messages. That sounds completely crazy to me.

    that doesn't make any sense... posting replies and new messages is exactly how messaging works :confused:


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Black Panther on Sat Oct 12 23:10:51 2019
    On 12 Oct 2019, The Millionaire said the following...

    You may want to get your stories straight before insulting an entire active network, including the person who started it.

    I have not commented, one way or another, on this topic, until now. When I feel that I'm being insulted by someone who knows absolutely NOTHING, about the people in involved in a network, then throws out insults towards everyone associated with that network, I will step in.

    First of all, you received a message from Avon (Paul Hayton) stating not in address all of your message to him, as he did not have time to personally respond to all of them. Here is his message to you:

    On 12 Sep 2019 at 08:28a, The Millionaire pondered and said...

    Hi there, hey all good, and thanks for the positive feedback about the network.

    Some feedback if I may...

    Can I suggest rather than starting multiple posts asking an open question of me or someone else, you would perhaps get more enjoyment / engagement from some if you added your thoughts to existing threads running already.

    By all means feel free to post a question etc. but I'm going be honest and say for all of the threads / questions you're posting addressed to me that cover a wide range of subjects... I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to respond to them all due to time I have available to commit to echomail etc.

    Just wanted to you to be aware of that if you post a question to me asking what do I think of X and I don't necessarily respond to it. That's why.

    Oh and is there anything I can do to help you with the mangled characters that seem to appear in some of your posts? Unsure what you're using to post with but it seems to be a consistent thing with some of the posts your sending. Looks like characters like " or ' etc.

    After reading this message, you replied with:

    Okay IΓÇÖll stop posting messages altogether and just read instead since itΓÇÖsbothersome it seems.

    At what point in that message did Paul tell you not to post new messages?

    To tell you the truth, I actually had no problems with your posts, until there ended up being multiple duplicate messages ending up in the net. Evidently there was some issue where you couldn't see them on your end.

    I looked at you as someone who was trying to start conversations within the network.

    Then you started throwing temper tantrums, and you lost my backing from me.

    As far as I know, your access to the network was not cut. It's possible that DM cut your access on Vert, but I don't see him as being the type of person to do that to anyone.

    So don't try spreading your version of the 'truth', so that you can try get sympathy from others. If you're going to try to tell people what happened, try telling them the truth, and not insulting any entire network because of your temper tantrums.

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    You said it in your message:

    Can I suggest rather than starting multiple posts asking an open question of me or someone else, you would perhaps get more enjoyment / engagement from some if you added your thoughts to existing threads running already.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Rampage on Sat Oct 12 23:12:10 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 13:17:29

    that doesn't make any sense... posting replies and new messages is exactly how messaging works :confused:

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    Looks like it it seems.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Black Panther on Sun Oct 13 00:47:41 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Black Panther to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 2019 07:21 pm

    address all of your message to him, as he did not have time to personally respond to all of them. Here is his message to you:

    snip<=-

    On 12 Sep 2019 at 08:28a, The Millionaire pondered and said...

    I’m having so much fun like the network says. It’s a gas being here. I finally found a home where I can feel welcome here. Thanks Avon for creating this place. Much appreciated in the long run. :-)

    Hi there, hey all good, and thanks for the positive feedback about the network.

    Some feedback if I may...

    Can I suggest rather than starting multiple posts asking an open question of me or someone else, you would perhaps get more enjoyment / engagement from some if you added your thoughts to existing threads running already.



    maybe he looks up to the avon man and he really wants to know these answers. AND nobody is stopping other people from joining the conversation.

    So don't try spreading your version of the 'truth', so that you can try get sympathy from others. If you're going to try to tell people what happened, try telling them the truth, and not insulting any entire network because of your temper tantrums.


    they were picking on him a bit.
    you can see for yourself but the msg net is pretty boring.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sat Oct 12 23:23:22 2019
    @MSGID: <5DA2823D.1725.dove-gen@bbses.info>
    @REPLY: <5DA27C12.99982.dove-gen@vert.synchro.net>
    @TZ: c168
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Black Panther to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 2019 07:21 pm

    maybe he looks up to the avon man and he really wants to know these answers. AND nobody is stopping other people from joining the conversation.

    they were picking on him a bit.
    you can see for yourself but the msg net is pretty boring.
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    It was pretty boring that’s why I posted all those messages to liven things up a bit, I’m a conversationalist not a sadist.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sun Oct 13 00:16:07 2019
    It was pretty boring that’s why I posted all those messages to liven things up a bit, I’m a conversationalist not a sadist.

    $ The Millionaire $



    They all said in several conversations that they were adding me to their twitlists as well.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 00:35:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-

    How goes the plan of getting the MSP "in October"?

    Well I found out there's a battery drain problem with the MSP
    now.

    Really? What kind of a battery drain problem does it have?

    So now I'm shopping around for other ideas.

    Well, you've had quite a few suggestions for other options
    already, but be sure to keep us posted on what you come up with!


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 00:37:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-

    How goes the plan of getting the MSP "in October"?

    I'll be also starting a network up as well too.

    Oh YAY!

    Will you let me join?

    What do you expect to call your new network, and what will be it's
    focus?



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Sun Oct 13 00:22:29 2019
    Really? What kind of a battery drain problem does it have?

    Well, you've had quite a few suggestions for other options
    already, but be sure to keep us posted on what you come up with!

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    Ok I will.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Sun Oct 13 00:33:37 2019
    Oh YAY!

    Will you let me join?

    What do you expect to call your new network, and what will be it's
    focus?

    ... All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.
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    I’m working on a name for that one too. Lots of surprises in store. So stay tuned. I guarantee it not to be boring like FSXNet. That’s for sure. Hope everyone has a good time on it because I’m hoping it will be popular. I won’t be able to run 24 hrs because I will use a tablet but I hope I can run the network through ecweb4 and make it more easily accessible for people to post and reply on it. But there’s always a chance things might not work out either. I’m keeping positive though. Looking for the highest battery possible though.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Sun Oct 13 00:37:40 2019
    Battery drain on the Microsoft Surface Pro here:

    https://www.google.com/search?ei=QZuiXf6gDoXa-gSVorfwAg&q=microsoft+surface+pro +6+battery+drain&oq=microsoft+surface+pro+6+battery+dr&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp .1.0.0.2206.12728..13767...0.1..0.222.964.8j2j1......0....1.........0i71j0i67.m kS2pvUHTDc

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to MRO on Sun Oct 13 02:10:40 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Rampage on Sat Oct 12 2019 04:58 pm

    encoding methods also increase the size of the message because of the
    encoding... at least 1/3rd again... a 3Meg file attached to a message
    means 4Meg being transferred... that's crazy...


    holy crap, good thing nobody ever did that on my system. i'd run out of floppy disks.

    What! you have floppy disks? I'm still using this old cassette tape drive from a vic-20.
    guess I should upgrade.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sun Oct 13 01:25:55 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 12 2019 12:43 pm

    they dont like millionaire's conversation starters.

    if you think about it, they are being mad at him for being an active user.

    That's the same thing I was thinking about fsxnet. The Millionaire is basically just trying to start conversations, and people are frustrated at him posting vague questions and "spamming" the echos with posts. BBS usership these days isn't what it used to be, so I'd think we should welcome comversation starters..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ash on Sun Oct 13 01:28:40 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 2019 08:44 pm

    Then they're screwed up people if they don't like active users. Avon
    told me to only post replies and post any new messages. That sounds
    completely crazy to me.

    This doesn't seem like the full story to me.

    Are you saying that you weren't told (I wouldn't know) specifically what you did wrong and ended up being told, "you can only reply now, kthxbye" ?

    I've been reading & posting on FSXNet, and there were people who explained to The Millionaire what they were frustrated about. So I don't think The Millionaire is completely in the dark about this.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Sun Oct 13 01:29:24 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 2019 02:19 pm

    How goes the plan of getting the MSP "in October"?

    I think he said he was getting a MSP in the fall. He still has a couple months or so.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 01:30:58 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 2019 02:47 pm

    Well I found out there's a battery drain problem with the MSP now. So now I'm shopping around for other ideas.

    Did you say you're living in a care facility? I'm wondering if the easiest route might be to have a BBS hosted in the cloud (Marisa G here has a BBS hosting service, if you can afford that), and go ahead and buy a MSP and use it to remote login to your BBS server and manage it that way. Then you could have the portability of a tablet and a BBS that's on a stable server.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sun Oct 13 01:32:21 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 2019 05:04 pm

    just dont associate with them. honestly that msg network is boring as shit. i read through a bunch of it.

    FSXNet doesn't seem that much different from Dove-Net. So if you think FSXNet is boring, I imagine you probably think Dove-Net is boring too?

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sat Oct 12 23:48:00 2019
    if you think about it, they are being mad at him for being an active user.

    Someone pointed that out... that if he was on a less-active network his conversation starters might be a welcome alternative to the lack of
    activity.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ASH on Sun Oct 13 00:06:00 2019
    Oh, thank you for the insight! Do you know what makes fsxNet experimental?

    My understanding of it is that you are encouraged to try different things
    with your BBS software that might otherwise get you yelled at on FIDO.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ALTEREGO on Sun Oct 13 00:09:00 2019
    You can try stuff (the skys the limit), and nobody cries about policy, protocol
    technology violations, etc.

    Well, I would not say nobody. I got cried at from a couple of folks for
    what I thought was an honest mistake, but one of them is no longer on the network and the other rarely participates now.

    I have made a couple of other mistakes and didn't get chewed out by the
    folks who were there at the time (those other two were not <grin>).

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ASH on Sun Oct 13 00:10:00 2019
    Ah, so in theory one could start adding additional header information or start >ending information in UTF-8 wrapped in MIME encoding etc?

    If you are testing something that does not break other people's machines, I would say you could probably do so.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Oct 13 00:12:00 2019
    Another footnote is he goes to Christ Church. One of those weird churches ou >> there. Explains his personality.

    christchurch is a city you fucking idiot.

    I thought that also but, knowing nothing about his religious beliefs, I was
    not sure if it was a coincidence or not. :)

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Oct 13 00:12:00 2019
    Oh, thank you for the insight! Do you know what makes fsxNet experimental?

    just go look at it.
    it doesnt have furries on there if that's what you are wondering.

    And botnets are frowned upon.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Sun Oct 13 01:39:55 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 2019 08:35 pm

    Well I found out there's a battery drain problem with the MSP
    now.

    Really? What kind of a battery drain problem does it have?

    The Millionaire recently mentioned that he wanted to have a mobile BBS, but it was suggested that it's best to leave a BBS machine plugged into power all the time so that it doesn't lose power. The Millionaire was concerned that leaving a tablet plugged into power all the time would damage the battery over time.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 01:41:31 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 2019 08:33 pm

    I won't be able to run 24 hrs because I will use a tablet but I hope I can

    It's best to run a BBS on a machine that's available 24 hours, especially if you're running a message network. You want to have that reliability for your users.

    run the network through ecweb4 and make it more easily accessible for

    What do you mean by "run the network through ecweb4"? ecwebv4 is simply a web interface for Synchronet; ecweb4 doesn't include tools for managing/running a message network.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 04:53:15 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 09:32 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 12 2019 05:04 pm

    just dont associate with them. honestly that msg network is boring as shit. i read through a bunch of it.

    FSXNet doesn't seem that much different from Dove-Net. So if you think FSXN is boring, I imagine you probably think Dove-Net is boring too?


    there's less msgs about nothing on dovenet. plus i'm here so that's a plus. fsxnet doesnt have me.

    there seems like a lot of circle jerking on fsxnet. or parroting of the same ideas. take your pick.

    i read a lot of msgs on fsxnet and i was bored to tears.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 13 05:02:03 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 07:48 pm

    if you think about it, they are being mad at him for being an active user.

    Someone pointed that out... that if he was on a less-active network his conversation starters might be a welcome alternative to the lack of activity.

    i think it's just a clique. maybe they should just become a closed msg network.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 13 05:04:28 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to ALTEREGO on Sat Oct 12 2019 08:09 pm

    You can try stuff (the skys the limit), and nobody cries about policy, protocol
    technology violations, etc.

    Well, I would not say nobody. I got cried at from a couple of folks for what I thought was an honest mistake, but one of them is no longer on the network and the other rarely participates now.

    I have made a couple of other mistakes and didn't get chewed out by the folks who were there at the time (those other two were not <grin>).


    usually there's a msg area for testing stuff.
    i know over the years people have dumped dupes into dovenet but it's harder to do that now.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 13 05:05:17 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to ASH on Sat Oct 12 2019 08:10 pm

    Ah, so in theory one could start adding additional header information or st >ending information in UTF-8 wrapped in MIME encoding etc?

    If you are testing something that does not break other people's machines, I would say you could probably do so.


    i also think millionaire highlighted an issue with mystic bbs because it couldnt handle his utf-8 even though it was supposed to.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 02:55:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Well yes. I actually did. But no one's posting to me anyways. It's like
    dead messaging there now.

    $ The Millionaire $

    This is what Paul Hayton looks like anyways:

    https://www.librariesaotearoa.org.nz/korero-blog/paul-hayton-is-also-no- numpty

    Another footnote is he goes to Christ Church. One of those weird
    churches out there. Explains his personality.

    Please stop.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Rampage on Sun Oct 13 02:59:00 2019
    Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i've had numerous deaf and/or non-sighted users over the years, too...
    you generally can't tell because the medium removes all the visuals and audio cues while placing everyone on the same level playing field with
    the same appearance from the other side of the screen...

    Me, too - I had a deaf user donate a motherboard to my BBS when my old one fried, and as payment he just wanted to see the board and chat. Nice guy, he loved having a social medium he could participate in without any extra challenges.


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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 13:50:21 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 2019 21:39:55

    The Millionaire was concerned
    that leaving a tablet plugged into power all the time would damage the battery over time.

    I mean, it's true. But, it's the same with laptops... Although the situation is kind of obvious; just take the battery out until you need it.


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 12:55:10 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 12 2019 20:16:07


    They all said in several conversations that they were adding me to their twitlists as well.

    so what? people are free to do that if they want to... them telling you that they are doing it is akin to the age old usenet "*PLONK*" message which indicates the same thing... on the one hand, it is being polite and telling the plonkee that the plonker is not going to be reading and responding to the plonkee's posts any more... on the other hand, the plonker could have done the same thing and just not told the plonkee about it...

    it is the equivalent of them hitting their "[Next]" key but without the additional work needed to actually hit that key since their system has already effectively done that for them...


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 12:59:33 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 2019 20:37:40


    Battery drain on the Microsoft Surface Pro here:

    i've fixed your URL to remove all the excess garbage from it... the below is all that is needed... everything else aside from the "q=blah" part is tracking data...

    https://www.google.com/search?q=microsoft+surface+pro+battery+drain


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 13:01:45 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Ash on Sat Oct 12 2019 21:28:40


    I've been reading & posting on FSXNet, and there were people who explained to The Millionaire what they were frustrated about. So I don't think The Millionaire is completely in the dark about this.

    he's not but there appears to be a level of misunderstanding what is being written...

    eg: taking paul's post and misunderstanding it to mean "not starting new topics"

    :shrug:


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 13:03:23 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 2019 21:29:24


    I think he said he was getting a MSP in the fall. He still has a couple months or so.

    ummm, it is fall ;)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=first+day+of+fall+2019

    Sept 23rd to Dec 21st this year...


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to MRO on Sun Oct 13 13:13:42 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 13 2019 01:02:03

    if you think about it, they are being mad at him for being an active user.

    Someone pointed that out... that if he was on a less-active network his conversation starters might be a welcome alternative to the lack of activity.

    i think it's just a clique. maybe they should just become a closed msg network.

    uhh... they're *all* cliques... every BBS network is a clique these days... the thing is that we operators are a minority group in the whole light of things... some of us belong to more than one clique/network... some of us belong to only one... an extremely small number belong to no networks... but all in all, it is all cliques in some way or another ;)


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Ash on Sun Oct 13 13:18:01 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:50:21

    The Millionaire was concerned that leaving a tablet
    plugged into power all the time would damage the battery over time.

    I mean, it's true. But, it's the same with laptops...

    basically, yep...

    Although the situation is kind of obvious; just take the battery out until you need it.

    not all laptops will run on commercial power without their batteries being installed...


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 10:33:05 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 2019 02:47 pm

    Did you say you're living in a care facility? I'm wondering if the easiest route might be to have a BBS hosted in the cloud (Marisa G here has a BBS hosting service, if you can afford that), and go ahead and buy a MSP and use it to remote login to your BBS server and manage it that way. Then you could have the portability of a tablet and a BBS that's on a stable server.

    Nightfox

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    I’ll look into it. I also thought about raspberry pie also. But it sounds maybe a little hard to set up for me.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 10:41:36 2019
    I’ll look into it. I also thought about raspberry pie also. But it sounds maybe a little hard to set up for me.

    $ The Millionaire $

    They also have Banana Pie. These names make me hungry for dessert. LOL. :-P

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Pi

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to Rampage on Sun Oct 13 17:58:02 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Rampage to Ash on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:18:01

    Although the situation is kind of obvious; just take the battery out until you need it.
    not all laptops will run on commercial power without their batteries being installed...

    Sure, but that's an edge case, I don't think it's common to see that anymore.

    ~Ash ∙ UwU ∙ Don't read everything you believe!

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 11:09:52 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 2019 02:47 pm

    Did you say you're living in a care facility? I'm wondering if the easiest route might be to have a BBS hosted in the cloud (Marisa G here has a BBS hosting service, if you can afford that), and go ahead and buy a MSP and use it to remote login to your BBS server and manage it that way. Then you could have the portability of a tablet and a BBS that's on a stable server.

    Nightfox

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    Could I also log in through my iPad as well?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Oct 13 14:20:00 2019
    i also think millionaire highlighted an issue with mystic bbs because it couldnt handle his utf-8 even though it was supposed to.

    I wonder if he reported it as such? I don't remember reading about it, but
    I also don't run mystic so I might not have paid attention if it came up.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ash on Sun Oct 13 15:48:30 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Ash to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:50 am

    The Millionaire was concerned
    that leaving a tablet plugged into power all the time would damage the
    battery over time.

    I mean, it's true. But, it's the same with laptops... Although the situation is kind of obvious; just take the battery out until you need it.

    I don't think you can easily remove the battery from a tablet. And I used to have a Microsoft Surface tablet, and I don't think there was a way to open it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rampage on Sun Oct 13 15:49:12 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:03 am

    I think he said he was getting a MSP in the fall. He still has a
    couple months or so.

    ummm, it is fall ;)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=first+day+of+fall+2019

    Sept 23rd to Dec 21st this year...

    Umm, that's what I was saying..

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 16:15:05 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Rampage to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:03 am

    Umm, that's what I was saying..

    Nightfox

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    Well the MSP 7 just came out recently and haven’t heard any major problems so far except *****ing about certain options that people wanted that MS didn’t implement. But it’s a little pricey at $999 for 128gb atm.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 15:49:57 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 07:09 am

    Did you say you're living in a care facility? I'm wondering if the
    easiest route might be to have a BBS hosted in the cloud (Marisa G

    Could I also log in through my iPad as well?

    Yes, you should be able to, the same as you log into Vertrauen or any other BBS.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Oct 13 18:35:02 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Rampage on Sat Oct 12 2019 10:59 pm

    Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i've had numerous deaf and/or non-sighted users over the years, too... you generally can't tell because the medium removes all the visuals and audio cues while placing everyone on the same level playing field with the same appearance from the other side of the screen...

    Me, too - I had a deaf user donate a motherboard to my BBS when my old one fried, and as payment he just wanted to see the board and chat. Nice guy, he loved having a social medium he could participate in without any extra challenges.


    i had a blind user and i made a command shell for his screen reader.
    i probably could have done a better job at it now that i think about it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Rampage on Sun Oct 13 18:36:40 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Rampage to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 2019 08:55 am

    indicates the same thing... on the one hand, it is being polite and telling plonkee that the plonker is not going to be reading and responding to the plonkee's posts any more... on the other hand, the plonker could have done t


    hold on. you know theres nothing about being polite in regards to that!
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Rampage on Sun Oct 13 18:38:40 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Rampage to MRO on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:13 am

    i think it's just a clique. maybe they should just become a closed ms network.

    uhh... they're *all* cliques... every BBS network is a clique these days... thing is that we operators are a minority group in the whole light of things some of us belong to more than one clique/network... some of us belong to on one... an extremely small number belong to no networks... but all in all, it all cliques in some way or another ;)


    if they dont like people who are different maybe they should make it a closed msg network.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 17:04:36 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Sat Oct 12 2019 08:37 pm

    https://www.google.com/search?ei=QZuiXf6gDoXa-gSVorfwAg&q=microsoft+surfac e+pro +6+battery+drain&oq=microsoft+surface+pro+6+battery+dr&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz -serp

    Why not just get a Raspberry PI or a cheap thinclient PC that will take very little power to run it?
    a Tablet seems like a total waste of time.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 17:22:52 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 06:33 am

    I'll look into it. I also thought about raspberry pie also. But it sounds maybe a little hard to set up for me.


    I made a Raspberry PI image a while back that has both Synchronet 3.17 and Mystic setup on it, the Image is Raspian for the OS.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 13 16:25:20 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 12:15 pm

    Well the MSP 7 just came out recently and haven't heard any major problems so far except *****ing about certain options that people wanted that MS didn't implement. But it's a little pricey at $999 for 128gb atm.

    That's the thing about the Surface Pro, it's a pricey system.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 13 18:45:32 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Oct 13 2019 10:20 am

    i also think millionaire highlighted an issue with mystic bbs because it couldnt handle his utf-8 even though it was supposed to.

    I wonder if he reported it as such? I don't remember reading about it, but I also don't run mystic so I might not have paid attention if it came up.
    I also don't run mystic so I might not have paid attention if it came up.


    digitalman caught it and posted on there
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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 19:39:28 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Rampage on Sun Oct 13 2019 11:49:12

    I think he said he was getting a MSP in the fall. He still has a
    couple months or so.

    ummm, it is fall ;)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=first+day+of+fall+2019

    Sept 23rd to Dec 21st this year...

    Umm, that's what I was saying..

    oh! i read that as "still has a couple months [till fall]" :)


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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to NIGHTFOX on Sun Oct 13 07:13:00 2019
    The Millionaire recently mentioned that he wanted to have a mobile BBS, but it was suggested that it's best to leave a BBS machine plugged into power all the time so that it doesn't lose power. The Millionaire was concerned that leaving a tablet plugged into power all the time would damage the battery over time.

    Nightfox
    I think there is a program for tablets where he could likely have a
    point node with a tablet.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 14 14:27:00 2019
    On 10-13-19 06:41, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    @VIA: VERT
    I'll look into it. I also thought about raspberry pie also. But it sounds maybe a little hard to set up for me.

    $ The Millionaire $

    They also have Banana Pie. These names make me hungry for dessert. LOL. :-P

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Pi

    LOL good one. I run this BBS on a Banana Pi. :)

    It's not a bad option. You will need to get familiar with Linux, but the default installation of Raspian that I use had a VNC enabled desktop, which you could access from your MSP. For a beginner to Linux and the Pi like yourself, it would be idea if you had someone local to show you the ropes.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Ash on Mon Oct 14 14:27:00 2019
    On 10-13-19 13:58, Ash wrote to Rampage <=-

    @VIA: VERT/FLUFFY
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Rampage to Ash on Sun Oct 13 2019 09:18:01

    Although the situation is kind of obvious; just take the battery out until you need it.
    not all laptops will run on commercial power without their batteries being installed...

    Sure, but that's an edge case, I don't think it's common to see that anymore.

    I haven't struck one yet.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 14 14:33:00 2019
    On 10-13-19 07:09, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-


    Could I also log in through my iPad as well?

    Technically yes. I don't know how Marisag sets up her servers, whether theres a GUI desktop or not. It would be better if there is in this case, because command line interfaces are very tedious to use from a tablet device. You just need a suitable client (VNC for graphical or SSH for text command line).

    The question is how well you can manage the server from your iPad. That may need a trial on your part, but it's technically feasible.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Denn on Mon Oct 14 14:35:00 2019
    On 10-13-19 13:22, Denn wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    I made a Raspberry PI image a while back that has both Synchronet 3.17
    and Mystic setup on it, the Image is Raspian for the OS.

    That's basically my setup! :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Sun Oct 13 20:47:34 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Rampage on Sun Oct 13 2019 02:38 pm

    if they dont like people who are different maybe they should make it a closed msg network.

    Reductio ad absurdium.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Sun Oct 13 21:22:20 2019
    I would like to thank you DM with enormous gratitude and great appreciation to help let me vent my frustrations on Dovenet about FSXNet. It felt good to get it out of my system. I was very thankful to have an outlet. Now I feel much relief and such calmness.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Sun Oct 13 22:10:54 2019
    I didn’t understand this message though:

    SynchroMess

    From Spectre@21:3/105 to Nobody on Monday, September 23, 2019 19:40:00
    Well its like this, I got the fridge installed today, woohoo, got to decommission the travel fridge. I didn't realise how much noise that thing made, and just how much power it consumed doing it. But while doing this I managed to bounce the power, by pushing the Fridge against the power point to vigourously.

    So we had an acid test for the file system repairs on brightmatter. And... I was surprised, it booted, and really quickly too....but then I discovered no services running, nothing, nada, zip. Turns out all the files in /etc/init.d had has the +x removed, as had rc.local. <scratches head> I'm just glad the thing actually booted. And it was another fairly easy fix.

    There appears to be some mysterious black magic voodoo satanism around that installer to me. Maybe I held my tounge the wrong way while sacrificing my goat last week.

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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    $ The Millionaire $
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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 13 20:17:19 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Oct 13 2019 10:20:00

    i also think millionaire highlighted an issue with mystic bbs because it couldnt handle his utf-8 even though it was supposed to.

    I wonder if he reported it as such? I don't remember reading about it, but I also don't run mystic so I might not have paid attention if it came up.

    I wonder if utf-8 is the reason I keep getting message header errors when tossing dovenet messages.

    10/13 03:53:12p QNET !ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) (WinError 183) in getmsg.cpp line 86 (sbbs_t::loadmsg) reading "(09BE20) #1063/1063 e:\sbbs\data\subs\dove-general" access=-103 info=smb_getmsghdr corrupt message header ID (36 38 2E 34) at offset 638496
    10/13 03:53:12p QNET !ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) (WinError 183) in getmsg.cpp line 86 (sbbs_t::loadmsg) reading "(09BF20) #1064/1064 e:\sbbs\data\subs\dove-general" access=-103 info=smb_getmsghdr corrupt message header ID (49 6D 70 6F) at offset 638752
    10/13 03:53:12p QNET !ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) (WinError 183) in getmsg.cpp line 86 (sbbs_t::loadmsg) reading "(09C220) #1066/1066 e:\sbbs\data\subs\dove-general" access=-103 info=smb_getmsghdr corrupt message header ID (6E 49 6D 70) at offset 639520
    10/13 03:53:12p QNET !ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) (WinError 183) in getmsg.cpp line 86 (sbbs_t::loadmsg) reading "(09C420) #1067/1067 e:\sbbs\data\subs\dove-general" access=-103 info=smb_getmsghdr corrupt message header ID (2E 31 36 38) at offset 640032
    10/13 03:53:12p QNET !ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) (WinError 183) in getmsg.cpp line 86 (sbbs_t::loadmsg) reading "(09D320) #1076/1076 e:\sbbs\data\subs\dove-general" access=-103 info=smb_getmsghdr corrupt message header ID (39 62 36 38) at offset 643872
    10/13 03:53:12p QNET !ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) (WinError 183) in getmsg.cpp line 86 (sbbs_t::loadmsg) reading "(09D520) #1078/1078 e:\sbbs\data\subs\dove-general" access=-103 info=smb_getmsghdr corrupt message header ID (68 6F 73 74) at offset 644384
    10/13 03:53:12p QNET !ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) (WinError 183) in getmsg.cpp line 86 (sbbs_t::loadmsg) reading "(09D620) #1080/1080 e:\sbbs\data\subs\dove-general" access=-103 info=smb_getmsghdr corrupt message header ID (6F 76 65 2D) at offset 644640
    -+-

    -Dallas Vinson
    Furmens Folly - telnet: loybbs.net:23
    SSH: loybbs.net:23222
    Before the Web - telnet: loybbs.net:23232
    Legends of Yesteryear - telnet: loybbs.net:23322

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Mon Oct 14 01:17:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Well the MSP 7 just came out recently and haven't heard any major problems so far except *****ing about certain options that people wanted that MS didn't implement. But it's a little pricey at $999 for 128gb atm.

    That's the thing about the Surface Pro, it's a pricey system.

    Pretty much anything with "Microsoft" in the name is..... pricey.

    Among other things. ;-)



    ... Windows 3.1 - From the people who brought you EDLIN.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    ■ Synchronet ■ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to NIGHTFOX on Sun Oct 13 07:50:00 2019
    Well the MSP 7 just came out recently and haven't heard any major problems
    so far except *****ing about certain options that people wanted that MS didn't implement. But it's a little pricey at $999 for 128gb atm.

    That's the thing about the Surface Pro, it's a pricey system.
    I was considering the Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 with the keyboard case
    attachment. I think I might do better with it than the Microsoft one. I
    think it also has Dex/Ubuntu you can dual boot with it. Android and
    Linux option for 908 bucks with 256gb option AND micro sd extra storage.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Mon Oct 14 03:06:07 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:33 am

    On 10-13-19 07:09, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-


    Could I also log in through my iPad as well?

    Technically yes. I don't know how Marisag sets up her servers, whether ther a GUI desktop or not. It would be better if there is in this case, because command line interfaces are very tedious to use from a tablet device. You j need a suitable client (VNC for graphical or SSH for text command line).

    The question is how well you can manage the server from your iPad. That may need a trial on your part, but it's technically feasible.



    that's probably the best bet for him, but i dont know if he could handle it financially.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Oct 14 03:08:31 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Sun Oct 13 2019 04:47 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Rampage on Sun Oct 13 2019 02:38 pm

    if they dont like people who are different maybe they should make it a closed msg network.

    Reductio ad absurdium.


    it's not an absurd thing. it's entirely logical.

    dont like the new people? dont have any new people.
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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 14 12:02:30 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Sun Oct 13 2019 18:10:54

    I didn't understand this message though:

    what's there to not understand? someone replaced an old noisy fridge with a new one... while doing that, they accidently pushed the fridge against the plug too hard and caused a power blink... that lead to the server machine being bounced and having to check/validate the file system... it did so but the x (executable) attribute was removed/missing on some files that needed it... nothing to it other than local vernacular...


    )\/(ark

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Lupine Furmen on Mon Oct 14 12:08:35 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Lupine Furmen to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 13 2019 16:17:19


    I wonder if utf-8 is the reason I keep getting message header errors when tossing dovenet messages.

    it is not... think of UTF-8 as simply CP437 that takes one to four bytes to make a glyph... a glyph is the shape of the character...

    those error messages are specifically about the dove-general message base files not existing in your setup... nothing to do with UTF-8 at all...


    )\/(ark

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Oct 14 13:40:10 2019
    I was considering the Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 with the keyboard case attachment. I think I might do better with it than the Microsoft one. I
    think it also has Dex/Ubuntu you can dual boot with it. Android and
    Linux option for 908 bucks with 256gb option AND micro sd extra storage.

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    That’s also a consideration as well on my mind. Thanks for the suggestion.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Geptun350@VERT/HAVENS to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 14 17:10:27 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sun Oct 13 2019 06:41 am

    I'll look into it. I also thought about raspberry pie also. But it sounds maybe a little hard to set up for me.

    $ The Millionaire $

    They also have Banana Pie. These names make me hungry for dessert. LOL. :-P

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Pi

    $ The Millionaire $

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    Yea, its a little different to set up from the normal linux distro, you dont boot the iso like you would every other x86 or x64 os, lol. if you dont have any kind of sd or microsd reader, you'll need to buy one.

    basically you just write the image onto the sd card with etcher, slap the microsd into the pi, give it power, let it do its thing, you'll know when its done cause it'll stop blinking.

    sharing internet access is fairly easy if you have a decent amount of experience. to test if the pi has internet, just type ping google.com, and if you get replies, your good to go, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. use sftp to get what ever bbs software you want on it :)

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Rampage on Mon Oct 14 16:20:43 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Sun Oct 13 2019 18:10:54

    what's there to not understand? someone replaced an old noisy fridge with a new one... while doing that, they accidently pushed the fridge against the plug too hard and caused a power blink... that lead to the server machine being bounced and having to check/validate the file system... it did so but the x (executable) attribute was removed/missing on some files that needed it... nothing to it other than local vernacular...

    )\/(ark

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    He titled the post “Synchromess” making fun of DM’s BBS.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Ash@VERT/FLUFFY to Nightfox on Mon Oct 14 23:32:51 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Ash on Sun Oct 13 2019 11:48:30

    I don't think you can easily remove the battery from a tablet. And I used to have a Microsoft Surface tablet, and I don't think there was a way to open it.

    Oh, that might be a problem. I've got a Dell Latitude Tablet which has a removable battery, admittedly, I don't think it's very common.


    ~Ash ∙ UwU ∙ Don't read everything you believe!

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Rampage on Mon Oct 14 20:02:55 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Rampage on Mon Oct 14 2019 12:20 pm

    what's there to not understand? someone replaced an old noisy fridge with a new one... while doing that, they accidently pushed the fridge against the plug too hard and caused a power blink... that lead to the server machine being bounced and having to check/validate the file system... it did so but the x (executable) attribute was removed/missing on some files that needed it... nothing to it other than local vernacular...

    )\/(ark

    Man your server uses electricity?? What archaic technology. Can't you run it on solar energy? Ya know ... keeping it green. Save the planet and all that?? ;-)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Mon Oct 14 17:48:36 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: HusTler to Rampage on Mon Oct 14 2019 04:02 pm

    Man your server uses electricity?? What archaic technology. Can't you run it on solar energy?

    Solar technology still produces electricity. ;)

    Ya know ... keeping it green. Save the planet and all
    that?? ;-)

    Perhaps you meant electricity from the wall vs. solar? A lot of power plants still burn coal & such. Speaking of which, occasionally I hear about how nuclear technology has come a long way in being safer.

    Nightfox

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 14 20:54:05 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Rampage on Mon Oct 14 2019 12:20:43


    He titled the post "Synchromess" making fun of DM's BBS.

    so what? he was blowing off some steam after the problem happened and he was able to figure out the fix... no big deal :shrug:


    )\/(ark

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to HusTler on Mon Oct 14 20:55:21 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: HusTler to Rampage on Mon Oct 14 2019 16:02:55


    Man your server uses electricity?? What archaic technology. Can't you run it on solar energy? Ya know ... keeping it green. Save the planet and all that?? ;-)

    that's funny! especially since solar energy IS electricity :P :P :P


    )\/(ark

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Rampage on Mon Oct 14 19:21:00 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Rampage on Mon Oct 14 2019 12:20:43

    so what? he was blowing off some steam after the problem happened and he was able to figure out the fix... no big deal :shrug:

    )\/(ark

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    By insulting the author who created the software? Pretty cheap shot at DM don’t you think?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 15 02:22:10 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Rampage on Mon Oct 14 2019 03:21 pm

    By insulting the author who created the software? Pretty cheap shot at DM don't you think?


    hey, you did enough of dragging another msg net's bullshit into dovenet.

    so just move on from it, please.
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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Tue Oct 15 03:20:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:27 am

    On 10-13-19 06:41, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    @VIA: VERT
    I'll look into it. I also thought about raspberry pie also. But it sounds maybe a little hard to set up for me.

    $ The Millionaire $

    They also have Banana Pie. These names make me hungry for dessert. LOL. :-P

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Pi

    LOL good one. I run this BBS on a Banana Pi. :)

    It's not a bad option. You will need to get familiar with Linux, but the default installation of Raspian that I use had a VNC enabled desktop, which could access from your MSP. For a beginner to Linux and the Pi like yoursel it would be idea if you had someone local to show you the ropes.


    ... A lobster is a crawfish on steroids.

    I think some retailers sell pre-configured Pi-hole kits. All that's left is setting up your preferences and downloading a block list.

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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to Vk3jed on Tue Oct 15 07:23:25 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:33:00

    Technically yes. I don't know how Marisag sets up her servers, whether theres a GUI desktop or not. It would be better if there is in this case, because command line interfaces are very tedious to use from a tablet device. You just need a suitable client (VNC for graphical or SSH for text command line).

    There is no desktop pre-installed. You can manage it using my SMC tool, which you can access from ssh into your shell account...

    Marisa
    --- https://SynchronetBBS.org/OurServers - A list of all our websites
    --- https://SynchronetBBS.org/HostSplash - SBBS hosting for $14/month
    ■ Synchronet ■ Amiga City - The BBS for the Amiga - more than 3,500+ files
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Marisag on Tue Oct 15 08:38:42 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:33:00

    There is no desktop pre-installed. You can manage it using my SMC tool, which you can access from ssh into your shell account...

    Marisa
    --- https://SynchronetBBS.org/OurServers - A list of all our websites
    --- https://SynchronetBBS.org/HostSplash - SBBS hosting for $14/month
    ■ Synchronet ■ Amiga City - The BBS for the Amiga - more than 3,500+ files

    So there’s no preinstalled version of Synchronet on it?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Marisag on Tue Oct 15 13:37:10 2019
    So there’s no preinstalled version of Synchronet on it?

    $ The Millionaire $


    Do you accept anything other than PayPal?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 15 20:19:09 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Rampage on Mon Oct 14 2019 15:21:00


    so what? he was blowing off some steam after the problem happened and he was able to figure out the fix... no big deal :shrug:

    By insulting the author who created the software?

    what makes you thin khe was insulting the author? i think DM is the only one who can decide if he is insulted by someone or not... he doesn't need others assuming things for him ;)


    )\/(ark

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 15 20:24:45 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Marisag on Tue Oct 15 2019 04:38:42


    There is no desktop pre-installed. You can manage it using my SMC tool, which you can access from ssh into your shell account...

    So there's no preinstalled version of Synchronet on it?

    dude! reading comprehension!

    she said there is no desktop pre-installed... in other words, no GUI... she provides a tool she created called SMC... it is known as a TUI (Text User Interface)... it is all text like the old DOS days...


    )\/(ark

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Tue Oct 15 21:18:00 2019
    I think some retailers sell pre-configured Pi-hole kits. All that's left is setting up your preferences and downloading a block list.

    Some do sell the Raspberry Pis with SD cards that already have noobs
    installed, which then allows the user to choose whether they want to
    install raspbian or another pi-capable os. That does require that you have
    a spare HD cable and an HD TV to hook up to for the initial install.

    I got my pia from Vilros via Amazon. They had a kit that included the
    noobs SD card, a case, a power supply, a breadboard, and a bunch of wires, lights, and other small electric devices for setting up experiments. Also,
    a USB wifi adaptor (although I could never get that to work... mine is connected via ethernet).

    It is a nice little kit.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Rampage on Tue Oct 15 19:55:17 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Rampage on Mon Oct 14 2019 15:21:00

    what makes you thin khe was insulting the author? i think DM is the only one who can decide if he is insulted by someone or not... he doesn't need others assuming things for him ;)

    )\/(ark

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    I’m a loyalist. What can I say? :-)

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Tue Oct 15 23:35:00 2019
    On 10-13-19 23:06, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/BBSESINF
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:33 am

    On 10-13-19 07:09, The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-


    Could I also log in through my iPad as well?

    Technically yes. I don't know how Marisag sets up her servers, whether ther a GUI desktop or not. It would be better if there is in this case, because command line interfaces are very tedious to use from a tablet device. You j need a suitable client (VNC for graphical or SSH for text command line).

    The question is how well you can manage the server from your iPad. That may need a trial on your part, but it's technically feasible.



    that's probably the best bet for him, but i dont know if he could
    handle it financially.

    Yeah that I don't know, only TM can answer that for himself.


    ... It's hard to be serious when you're naked.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Tue Oct 15 23:37:00 2019
    On 10-14-19 23:20, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I think some retailers sell pre-configured Pi-hole kits. All that's
    left is setting up your preferences and downloading a block list.

    Oh OK. Still a bit of setup required to get a BBS up. :)


    ... I'm SO nice, that when I step in it I don't say it.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Oct 16 23:37:00 2019
    On 10-14-19 13:48, Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

    Perhaps you meant electricity from the wall vs. solar? A lot of power plants still burn coal & such. Speaking of which, occasionally I hear about how nuclear technology has come a long way in being safer.

    I have seen ideas for new reactor types that are supposed to be safer and more tolerant to infrastructure failure (e.g. cooling pumps stopping). But for fission reactors, there is still the issue of nuclear waste. The ideal way to handle that is to use nuclear processes to break them down into more stable (and safer!) elements, which has the nice byproduct of acting as another type of nuclear fuel. But from what I've read, that would probably require a source of additional neutrons to stimulate the additional stage(s) of fission.

    I'm no nuclear expert, but I do try and keep up with technologies.


    ... DEVICEHIGH: Your device driver on drugs.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Marisag on Thu Oct 17 00:25:00 2019
    On 10-15-19 03:23, Marisag wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/AMIGAC
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 14 2019 10:33:00

    Technically yes. I don't know how Marisag sets up her servers, whether theres a GUI desktop or not. It would be better if there is in this case, because command line interfaces are very tedious to use from a tablet device. You just need a suitable client (VNC for graphical or SSH for text command line).

    There is no desktop pre-installed. You can manage it using my SMC tool, which you can access from ssh into your shell account...

    OK, cool. That would work perfectly for me, but I don't know how TM would go with that.


    ... ** ERROR ** Unable to insert witty tagline.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Wed Oct 16 12:32:07 2019
    Guess who showed up this morning on Vertrauen reading messages?

    Avon
    Wednesday, October 16, 2019 02:43:17
    from Dunedin via Telnet

    $ The Millionaire $

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    ■ Synchronet ■ Vertrauen ■ Home of Synchronet ■ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Wed Oct 16 16:58:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Oct 16 2019 07:37 pm

    On 10-14-19 13:48, Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-

    Perhaps you meant electricity from the wall vs. solar? A lot of power plants still burn coal & such. Speaking of which, occasionally I hear about how nuclear technology has come a long way in being safer.

    I have seen ideas for new reactor types that are supposed to be safer and mo tolerant to infrastructure failure (e.g. cooling pumps stopping). But for fission reactors, there is still the issue of nuclear waste. The ideal way handle that is to use nuclear processes to break them down into more stable (and safer!) elements, which has the nice byproduct of acting as another typ of nuclear fuel. But from what I've read, that would probably require a sou of additional neutrons to stimulate the additional stage(s) of fission.

    I'm no nuclear expert, but I do try and keep up with technologies.


    ... DEVICEHIGH: Your device driver on drugs.

    When Obama put the final nail in using Yucca Mountain as a spent fuel repository, that screwed over several nuclear plants that do not have the property to store spent fuel casks on site. This involves preparing the
    ground and installing a concrete pad with seismic and drainage retention factored in, plus additional security for that area. Several plants had to reclaim outage overflow parking for storage, or even land that was set aside for further contstruction, such as if the climate is right to build another reactor.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 16:18:50 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:32 am

    Guess who showed up this morning on Vertrauen reading messages?

    Avon
    Wednesday, October 16, 2019 02:43:17
    from Dunedin via Telnet


    Please Stop.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 17:44:19 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:32 am

    Guess who showed up this morning on Vertrauen reading messages?

    Avon

    And this is important because...?

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 20:52:15 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:32 am

    Guess who showed up this morning on Vertrauen reading messages?

    Avon
    Wednesday, October 16, 2019 02:43:17
    from Dunedin via Telnet



    he's stalking you
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Wed Oct 16 19:28:35 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:32 am

    he's stalking you
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    It figures. Probably stalking everyone now.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Oct 16 19:30:24 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:32 am

    And this is important because...?

    Nightfox

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    Kinda suspicious don’t you think? I mean the timing is kinda obvious.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Wed Oct 16 19:40:20 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:32 am

    he's stalking you
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    Maybe DM should revoke his access to Vertrauen like Avon did to me on Agency.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Oct 16 20:02:51 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:32 am

    Please Stop.

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    I’ll stop when he owns up to his own actions and publicly apologizes to me in public like I did to him twice in front of everyone on FSXNet.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Wed Oct 16 20:16:21 2019
    Hey DM. I would like to hear your thoughts on this matter. Do you think I was unfairly and unjustly mistreated on FSXNet and by Avon aka Paul Hayton?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 20:54:03 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Marisag on Tue Oct 15 2019 04:38:42

    So there's no preinstalled version of Synchronet on it?

    No, of course that is included. And I will pull updates for you upon request...

    Marisa
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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 20:54:55 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Marisag on Tue Oct 15 2019 09:37:10

    Do you accept anything other than PayPal?

    Sure, what do you have in mind?

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Thu Oct 17 14:24:00 2019
    On 10-16-19 12:58, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    When Obama put the final nail in using Yucca Mountain as a spent fuel repository, that screwed over several nuclear plants that do not have

    My point is that we should be smarter about spent fuel. The radioactivity is energy potential that's being wasted, but the isotopes aren't reactive enough to form a self sustaining chain reaction, or they may be too unstable at critical mass to safely react (we don't want an accidental bomb!). They need some help, usually in the form of additional neutrons.

    The goal would be two fold:

    1. Render the spent fuel safer, so that long (as in decades to millennia) term storage isn't needed, just a relatively short period.

    2. Harness the extra energy potential in the spent fuel.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 21:09:08 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Oct 16 2019 03:30 pm

    And this is important because...?

    Kinda suspicious don't you think? I mean the timing is kinda obvious.

    You may be jumping to conclusions about what people are doing. I don't think it really means anything in particular when someone logs onto a BBS and reads some messages. You also thought Digital Man was stalking you based on his online status, and I think you were reading too much into that too.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 21:11:07 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Wed Oct 16 2019 03:28 pm

    he's stalking you

    It figures. Probably stalking everyone now.

    Oh yeah, I'm sure he's interested in what all of us are doing and saying. Better watch out.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 17 00:12:58 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Wed Oct 16 2019 03:28 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:32 am

    he's stalking you
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    It figures. Probably stalking everyone now.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 17 00:13:33 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Oct 16 2019 04:02 pm


    I'll stop when he owns up to his own actions and publicly apologizes to me i public like I did to him twice in front of everyone on FSXNet.



    you guys should just agree to fight in a mcdonalds parkinglot.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Oct 17 00:15:01 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 2019 05:09 pm

    some messages. You also thought Digital Man was stalking you based on his online status, and I think you were reading too much into that too.


    yes, but it ended up that millionaire WAS right and Digital Man WAS stalking him. even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 23:22:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:32 am

    And this is important because...?

    Kinda suspicious don't you think? I mean the timing is kinda
    obvious.

    Jesus, you really are stupid. Seriously delusional. Get some
    medical help and please STFU.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 23:23:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Please Stop.

    I'll stop when he owns up to his own actions and publicly
    apologizes to me in public like I did to him twice in front of
    everyone on FSXNet.

    Quit acting like a fuckin child you idiot.



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Marisag on Wed Oct 16 23:31:19 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Marisag on Tue Oct 15 2019 09:37:10

    Sure, what do you have in mind?

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    Just wanted to know your options.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Wed Oct 16 23:37:37 2019
    Quit acting like a fuckin child you idiot.

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    I’ll quit acting like a child when you quit acting like an idiot.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Wed Oct 16 23:39:32 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Oct 16 2019 04:02 pm

    you guys should just agree to fight in a mcdonalds parkinglot.
    that's how i handle all my problems.
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    Nah. Might end up on camera. LOL! :-P

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Wed Oct 16 23:42:14 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 2019 05:09 pm

    yes, but it ended up that millionaire WAS right and Digital Man WAS stalking him. even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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    Oh? Thanks for the info there. *shrugs*

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Thu Oct 17 00:01:40 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Oct 16 2019 04:02 pm

    you guys should just agree to fight in a mcdonalds parkinglot.
    that's how i handle all my problems.
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    I might end up getting hungry instead and getting a Big Mac and Supersize Fries and a Hot Chocolate instead. LOL! :-P

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Thu Oct 17 00:06:21 2019
    Jesus, you really are stupid. Seriously delusional. Get some
    medical help and please STFU.

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    I am getting medical help but for my physical disabilities. Mentally, I’m fit as a fiddle. If I’m so stupid like you say I am, how did I end up being a recording engineer, a producer and a synthesizer programmer/musician?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Thu Oct 17 00:27:23 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 2019 05:09 pm

    yes, but it ended up that millionaire WAS right and Digital Man WAS stalking him. even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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    Was he those anonymous people too?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 17 01:04:09 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Marisag on Wed Oct 16 2019 19:31:19

    Just wanted to know your options.

    Oh ok. Looking for hosting?

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to VK3JED on Wed Oct 16 23:20:00 2019
    I have seen ideas for new reactor types that are supposed to be safer and more >tolerant to infrastructure failure (e.g. cooling pumps stopping). But for >fission reactors, there is still the issue of nuclear waste. The ideal way to

    I have seen some ideas for a reactor that would use waste for their fuel. Specifically, there used to be a plutonium enrichment facility in Western Kentucky. A fellow from Microsoft has suggested that there are reactor
    types which can use all of the waste that is currently being kept at that facility (with no good current use) as fuel and also would be the type
    where the reactions can stop themselves when too much heat becomes a
    problem.

    I have always heard that waste refered to as "spent," and it could be
    uranium rather than plutonium, but it must not be completely spent if it
    can still sustain some sort of reaction. They give the impression that
    there would be no waste after this "second use," but I wonder about that.

    I believe this type of reactor is of the same type that was successfully
    tested at a facility in Idaho, USA, in April of 1986. They intentionally turned off the cooling system to the reactor, and the reaction stopped
    itself. That date is important as, while they were having success,
    unknown to them Chernobyl was busy melting down on the other side of the
    world. Their success was overshadowed by that and not much effort was put
    into it after that.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to THE MILLIONAIRE on Wed Oct 16 23:22:00 2019
    Guess who showed up this morning on Vertrauen reading messages?

    Avon
    Wednesday, October 16, 2019 02:43:17
    from Dunedin via Telnet

    Vert is located in a free country and, to my knowledge, so is Avon.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thu Oct 17 02:56:42 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:13 pm

    you guys should just agree to fight in a mcdonalds parkinglot.
    that's how i handle all my problems.

    Yep. Take it outside and handle it with fists.

    Nightfox

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Thu Oct 17 12:06:19 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:13 pm

    I'll stop when he owns up to his own actions and publicly apologizes to me i public like I did to him twice in front of everyone on FSXNet.

    you guys should just agree to fight in a mcdonalds parkinglot.
    that's how i handle all my problems.

    Now your talking! That's how real men handle it anyways. ;-)

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Marisag on Thu Oct 17 09:57:48 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Marisag on Wed Oct 16 2019 19:31:19

    Oh ok. Looking for hosting?

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    This is in USD I take it right? I’m in Canada.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Marisag on Thu Oct 17 10:13:18 2019
    What if I want to draw ansis or use a 3rd party software because I have an IPad atm?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 17 11:15:34 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Marisag on Thu Oct 17 2019 05:57:48

    This is in USD I take it right? I'm in Canada.

    Yep...

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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 17 11:16:32 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Marisag on Thu Oct 17 2019 06:13:18

    What if I want to draw ansis or use a 3rd party software because I have an IPad atm?

    I don't know of any ansi editors for iOS, though you could admin your BBS from a iPad using a ssh client...

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Marisag on Thu Oct 17 14:32:03 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Marisag on Thu Oct 17 2019 06:13:18

    I don't know of any ansi editors for iOS, though you could admin your BBS from a iPad using a ssh client...

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    Well would I be able to add an ansi editor to the server but then that counts to my space doesn’t it?

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  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to The Millionaire on Thu Oct 17 19:52:15 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Marisag on Thu Oct 17 2019 10:32:03

    Well would I be able to add an ansi editor to the server but then that counts to my space doesn't it?

    An editor would be fairly small, space wouldn't be an issue...

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri Oct 18 00:18:39 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Oct 16 2019 10:56 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Wed Oct 16 2019 08:13 pm

    you guys should just agree to fight in a mcdonalds parkinglot.
    that's how i handle all my problems.

    Yep. Take it outside and handle it with fists.



    i dont show up, because i'm tired and i work 2 jobs. but i make sure
    they make a video of them waiting for me and upload it to facebook.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Oct 17 22:38:00 2019
    It figures. Probably stalking everyone now.

    *removes botnet button cover and places index finger 1 inch above deploy button*

    Do it! Do it!!!!!

    LOL!

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MARISAG on Thu Oct 17 22:41:00 2019
    What if I want to draw ansis or use a 3rd party software because I have an >> IPad atm?

    I don't know of any ansi editors for iOS, though you could admin your BBS from
    iPad using a ssh client...


    I am not sure but wasn't PabloDraw originally for apple products? Maybe
    just MAC products and not iOS?

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 18 02:44:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Thu Oct 17 2019 10:24 am

    On 10-16-19 12:58, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    When Obama put the final nail in using Yucca Mountain as a spent fuel repository, that screwed over several nuclear plants that do not have

    My point is that we should be smarter about spent fuel. The radioactivity i energy potential that's being wasted, but the isotopes aren't reactive enoug to form a self sustaining chain reaction, or they may be too unstable at critical mass to safely react (we don't want an accidental bomb!). They nee some help, usually in the form of additional neutrons.

    The goal would be two fold:

    1. Render the spent fuel safer, so that long (as in decades to millennia) t storage isn't needed, just a relatively short period.

    2. Harness the extra energy potential in the spent fuel.


    ... Only those who attempt the absurd can achieve the impossible.

    Fuel rod assemblies get rotated out because their performance drops below a certain level of efficiency. It's like having an old furnace that puts out mo re soot than it does suitable heat. I've read there are companies that would like to combine plutonium from decommissioned nuclear warheads with spent
    fuel rods to create new fuel assemblies, however I haven't read about any
    tests done regarding how efficient or how clean or dity they may be versus sta ndard fuel sources. If no one wants to take the chance and do all the leg
    work and research (and spend the $$$$ needed) before sending a proposal to the
    NRC regarding the use of such fuel, it may be awhile before anyone adopts them.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dumas Walker on Fri Oct 18 21:57:00 2019
    On 10-16-19 19:20, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-

    I have seen some ideas for a reactor that would use waste for their
    fuel. Specifically, there used to be a plutonium enrichment facility in Western Kentucky. A fellow from Microsoft has suggested that there are reactor types which can use all of the waste that is currently being
    kept at that facility (with no good current use) as fuel and also would
    be the type where the reactions can stop themselves when too much heat becomes a problem.

    There's a number of ways to increase the use of nuclear fuel. Going via plutonium is well known - the so-called "breeder reactor", which generates plutonium as a byproduct. And of course, that plutonium can be used as fuel (or bombs).

    I have always heard that waste refered to as "spent," and it could be uranium rather than plutonium, but it must not be completely spent if
    it can still sustain some sort of reaction. They give the impression
    that there would be no waste after this "second use," but I wonder
    about that.

    I believe it's no longer capable of sustaining a stable chain reaction, but exposed to a source of suitable neutrons, it will release further energy.

    I believe this type of reactor is of the same type that was
    successfully tested at a facility in Idaho, USA, in April of 1986.
    They intentionally turned off the cooling system to the reactor, and
    the reaction stopped itself. That date is important as, while they
    were having success, unknown to them Chernobyl was busy melting down on the other side of the world. Their success was overshadowed by that
    and not much effort was put into it after that.

    There is such a thing as a "subcritical reactor", which means it won't produce significant energy, unless an external source of neutrons is applied. It does mean that if the power is turned off, the reactor simply shuts down. I don't know if there's enough heat from radioactive decay to cause a problem, but a Chernobyl style spike in reaction is impossible with this type of reactor.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Fri Oct 18 22:03:00 2019
    On 10-17-19 22:44, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Fuel rod assemblies get rotated out because their performance drops
    below a certain level of efficiency. It's like having an old furnace
    that puts out mo re soot than it does suitable heat. I've read there
    are companies that would like to combine plutonium from decommissioned nuclear warheads with spent fuel rods to create new fuel assemblies, however I haven't read about any tests done regarding how efficient or
    how clean or dity they may be versus sta ndard fuel sources. If no one wants to take the chance and do all the leg work and research (and
    spend the $$$$ needed) before sending a proposal to the
    NRC regarding the use of such fuel, it may be awhile before anyone
    adopts them.

    I have seen ideas, but the question always is whether someone can see profit in it, and these days, "nuclear" is a bit of a dirty word in the post Chernobyl and Fukashima age, which puts people, especially governments and those with the money, off.

    So the question is whether nuclear will become viable in the future energy mix, and whether these newer ideas for safer and more environmentally friendly reactors will be researched and adopted.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Fri Oct 18 22:39:00 2019
    On 10-16-19 20:13, MRO wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    you guys should just agree to fight in a mcdonalds parkinglot.
    that's how i handle all my problems.

    Haha like CB arguments were sorted back in the 80s. :D


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 18 09:55:00 2019
    Vk3jed wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    There is such a thing as a "subcritical reactor", which means it won't produce significant energy, unless an external source of neutrons is applied. It does mean that if the power is turned off, the reactor
    simply shuts down. I don't know if there's enough heat from
    radioactive decay to cause a problem, but a Chernobyl style spike in reaction is impossible with this type of reactor.

    One of the technical "suspensions of disbelief" I have when watching The Walking Dead is to think that every nuclear reactor probably wouldn't have been shut down cleanly and has probably melted down in the 7 years the show has been on.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Fri Oct 18 13:33:04 2019
    Does anyone know what happened to Carol Shenkenberger? She used to be on Dove-Net years ago.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to VK3JED on Fri Oct 18 13:44:00 2019
    There is such a thing as a "subcritical reactor", which means it won't produce >significant energy, unless an external source of neutrons is applied. It does >mean that if the power is turned off, the reactor simply shuts down. I don't >know if there's enough heat from radioactive decay to cause a problem, but a >Chernobyl style spike in reaction is impossible with this type of reactor.

    That sounds correct. There was also another type of reactor that was
    mentioned that also uses less volatile material and also has some sort of mechanical/gravity dependent cooling system. If, say the power goes out,
    and the reaction starts to go critical, it is able to regulate itself & turn itself off without power. That one was discussed when Fukishima (sp?) came into the discussion. I cannot remember exactly how it worked but I believe when the temperature reached a certain value it would, by default, release
    the cooling water & kill the reaction. That bit was a mechanical mechanism that did not require any power source.

    I may not have that right. The US public broadcaster PBS had an episode of
    one of their science shows (probably NOVA) that covered at least two types
    of "safe(r)" reactors about a year ago. I am not a big fan of nuke power because of the potential consequences, but that show was interesting and
    made me wonder if there was not some use for it (and also a way to get rid
    of some of the current waste we have lying about in the US).

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 18 13:52:43 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 09:33 am

    Does anyone know what happened to Carol Shenkenberger? She used to be on Dove-Net years ago.

    I don't remember if I saw her on Dove-Net or not, but I seem to remember her being a net coordinator on FidoNet. I thought she was still doing that, but I'm not sure.

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Fri Oct 18 14:49:58 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Oct 17 2019 08:18 pm

    i dont show up, because i'm tired and i work 2 jobs. but i make sure
    they make a video of them waiting for me and upload it to facebook.

    Ugh, I'm so sick of these people who work 2+ jobs living off my tax dollars.
    they're just lazy.

    DaiTengu

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Oct 18 15:22:19 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 09:33 am

    I don't remember if I saw her on Dove-Net or not, but I seem to remember her being a net coordinator on FidoNet. I thought she was still doing that, but I'm not sure.

    Nightfox

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    Well apparently she’s on FSXNet instead. Wondered why she dropped Dove-Net? She’s still using Synchronet BBS though.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Fri Oct 18 18:37:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Does anyone know what happened to Carol Shenkenberger? She used to be on Dove-Net years ago.

    I don't remember if I saw her on Dove-Net or not, but I seem to
    remember her being a net coordinator on FidoNet. I thought she
    was still doing that, but I'm not sure.

    She is (still an NC). I see an occasional message from her on
    FidoNet, not too often, but certainly recently. She does run
    Synchronet so is likely lurking about here in DoveNet.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 18 18:56:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Fri Oct 18 2019 06:03 pm

    On 10-17-19 22:44, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Fuel rod assemblies get rotated out because their performance drops below a certain level of efficiency. It's like having an old furnace that puts out mo re soot than it does suitable heat. I've read there are companies that would like to combine plutonium from decommissioned nuclear warheads with spent fuel rods to create new fuel assemblies, however I haven't read about any tests done regarding how efficient or how clean or dity they may be versus sta ndard fuel sources. If no one wants to take the chance and do all the leg work and research (and spend the $$$$ needed) before sending a proposal to the
    NRC regarding the use of such fuel, it may be awhile before anyone adopts them.

    I have seen ideas, but the question always is whether someone can see profit it, and these days, "nuclear" is a bit of a dirty word in the post Chernobyl and Fukashima age, which puts people, especially governments and those with money, off.

    So the question is whether nuclear will become viable in the future energy m and whether these newer ideas for safer and more environmentally friendly reactors will be researched and adopted.


    ... Skating away on the thin ice of a new day...

    It's really sad that Fukashima happened when it did. The plant I was working at had their license extended to run until 2037, and had a planning project
    to add a third reactor on the property. Obama applied the first nails by killing Yucca Mountain, and Fukashima did the rest to change the power company's mind. Besides, the property for the third reactor site had to be re-purposed for onsite dry cask storage needed to run another 20 years.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Oct 18 19:06:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 18 2019 05:55 am

    Vk3jed wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    There is such a thing as a "subcritical reactor", which means it won't produce significant energy, unless an external source of neutrons is applied. It does mean that if the power is turned off, the reactor simply shuts down. I don't know if there's enough heat from radioactive decay to cause a problem, but a Chernobyl style spike in reaction is impossible with this type of reactor.

    One of the technical "suspensions of disbelief" I have when watching The Walking Dead is to think that every nuclear reactor probably wouldn't have been shut down cleanly and has probably melted down in the 7 years the show has been on.


    ... When is it for?

    During the swine flu epidemic several year ago the NRC made every plant insitute a pandemic emergency plan. If the workforce dropped below a certain threshold needed to run a plant properly, this would force a shutdown. To
    rum a plant properly, you need reactor operators, operations staff,
    maintenence folk, budget /finance and supply chain to ensure the back end is running properly, plant engineering, and emergency plan staffing in case anything happens. If any of these links lose enough people, the entire organization is in jeopardy

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Dumas Walker on Fri Oct 18 21:24:22 2019
    That sounds correct. There was also another type of reactor that was mentioned that also uses less volatile material and also has some sort of mechanical/gravity dependent cooling system. If, say the power goes out,
    and the reaction starts to go critical, it is able to regulate itself & turn itself off without power. That one was discussed when Fukishima (sp?) came into the discussion. I cannot remember exactly how it worked but I believe when the temperature reached a certain value it would, by default, release the cooling water & kill the reaction. That bit was a mechanical mechanism that did not require any power source.

    I may not have that right. The US public broadcaster PBS had an episode of one of their science shows (probably NOVA) that covered at least two types
    of "safe(r)" reactors about a year ago. I am not a big fan of nuke power because of the potential consequences, but that show was interesting and
    made me wonder if there was not some use for it (and also a way to get rid
    of some of the current waste we have lying about in the US).

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    NOVA is a good show too.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to All on Fri Oct 18 22:21:17 2019
    From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Avon on Friday, October 18, 2019 12:24:27
    Re: Re: Code of Conduct?
    By: Avon to Blue White on Fri Oct 18 2019 12:57 pm

    In respect to 'avoid' the issue for me is that in this medium you can't really avoid it if someone posts stuff that is designed to intentionally incite disharmony. The old argument of 'press the next key' doesn't wash with me... it's an easy 'out' to say that but in order to decide to press next you still have to read some of it to think 'nah' and as such you don't avoid anything.

    With recent posts here, honestly I'm not sure we can know for sure if the particular accused offender intentionally tried to incite disharmony, at least with his original posts. Other people here got frustrated with the way he was posting, and it seems to me there were more negative posts from people responding to his messages than the original poster himself. The original poster then threw a hissyfit though, which I'm not trying to defend.

    I can understand peoples' frustrations with The Millionaire. He has stated he has some diasbilities though, and perhaps we should aim to be more understanding. He had made some duplicate posts on FSXNet, and he had said he wasn't seeing his posts for some reason. Perhaps he really didn't know what he was doing. I'm just not sure we should jump to the conclusion that he was intentionally inciting disharmony with the way he was posting. From what I have seen from him on Dove-Net and here, I've tended to think he honestly wants
    to start conversations but doesn't go about it in the traditional manner that other BBS users do. Some people are just different.

    Nightfox
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    From Avon@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Saturday, October 19, 2019 09:20:19
    On 18 Oct 2019 at 12:24p, Nightfox pondered and said...

    With recent posts here, honestly I'm not sure we can know for sure if the particular accused offender intentionally tried to incite disharmony, at least with his original posts. Other people here got frustrated with
    the way he was posting, and it seems to me there were more negative
    posts from people responding to his messages than the original poster himself. The original poster then threw a hissyfit though, which I'm
    not trying to defend.

    All good comments. I think at the heart of this is perception. What you, I
    and others perceive is going on. In order to form a view we take in what we read, form a judgment and then proceed from there. If we see/read further things that appear to confirm what we perceive is going on then that strengthens that view. Some of those inputs are also cues that are coming
    from others who are also posting their thoughts and feedback on a given subject/topic.

    The point I'm trying to make with the above is that our perception of things becomes our reality. Whatever that reality may or may not actually be :)

    My take was/is that the original poster (OP) is unwell but has enough control of ones mind to take in an understand the feedback they are getting back from the community, *and* opt to respond to it in a way that does not deescalate
    the discord their posts have been engendering.

    Some of those posting here who expressed frustration to the OP had already experienced the same behavior in DoveNet and then saw it unfolding here much
    to their dismay. So I'm understanding of that if you have asked someone to cease taking actions that have been viewed as unwelcome by many, only to see
    it continue, and then move on elsewhere to another forum, to watch it start there etc.. yeah I can appreciate that being frustrating.

    You mention the OP throwing a hissyfit. I wouldn't characterize by that name. But what I do observe is wild swings of point of view and emotion. Semi to non-rationale replies to polite requests to cease creating discord etc. None
    of those things are very good IMHO.

    didn't know what he was doing. I'm just not sure we should jump to the conclusion that he was intentionally inciting disharmony with the way he was posting. From what I have seen from him on Dove-Net and here, I've tended to think he honestly wants to start conversations but doesn't go about it in the traditional manner that other BBS users do. Some people are just different.

    Being different is fine, but if a group consensus tends to form around the OP seemingly continuing to incite disharmony though their ongoing actions, after being asked to cease both in this network and elsewhere ... you gotta wonder
    if 'different' is enough of a 'get out of jail' card to excuse that behaviour.

    For me, we're all different, and that's cool. But I would like to see, no expect to see, us treating each other in ways that mirror those goals and values I posted earlier. :)

    The OP has several times responded in quite wild, somewhat non-rationale ways to requests to self moderate their behavior. I think (and happy to be
    corrected here) that folks in fsxNet are more than happy to chat etc. but on terms where discussions are conducted in a kind, respectful and helpful
    manner. When posts come across as disruptive or inciting further discord, whether intentional or not, that perception is going to be hard to dismiss.

    From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Avon on Friday, October 18, 2019 14:10:02
    Re: Re: Code of Conduct?
    By: Avon to Nightfox on Sat Oct 19 2019 09:20 am

    Being different is fine, but if a group consensus tends to form around the OP seemingly continuing to incite disharmony though their ongoing actions, after being asked to cease both in this network and elsewhere ... you gotta wonder if 'different' is enough of a 'get out of jail' card to excuse that behaviour.

    The OP has several times responded in quite wild, somewhat non-rationale ways to requests to self moderate their behavior. I think (and happy to be corrected here) that folks in fsxNet are more than happy to chat etc. but on terms where discussions are conducted in a kind, respectful and helpful manner. When posts come across as disruptive or inciting further discord, whether intentional or not, that perception is going to be hard to dismiss.

    I agree there. Things were pointed out to him multiple times, and sometimes he didn't even reply to some of the messages written to him. After so much, we may just get tired of the ongoing behavior.

    Nightfox
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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 01:58:30 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 09:33:04


    Does anyone know what happened to Carol Shenkenberger? She used to be on Dove-Net years ago.

    xxcarol is still around... shes just not very active these days... RL and all that rot, ya know ;)


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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 00:55:30 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 06:21 pm

    From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Avon on Friday, October 18, 2019 12:24:27
    Re: Re: Code of Conduct?
    By: Avon to Blue White on Fri Oct 18 2019 12:57 pm

    [...]SNIP


    What in the ever-loving fuck was that?

    DaiTengu

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to DaiTengu on Fri Oct 18 23:38:49 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 06:21 pm

    [...]SNIP

    What in the ever-loving fuck was that?

    DaiTengu

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    I call it Backstabbing at its best.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Sat Oct 19 02:03:58 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 18 2019 09:52:43


    Does anyone know what happened to Carol Shenkenberger? She used to be on Dove-Net years ago.

    I don't remember if I saw her on Dove-Net or not, but I seem to remember her being a net
    coordinator on FidoNet. I thought she was still doing that, but I'm not sure.

    she is... she's also the moderator of ASIAN_LINK... she's just busy with RL...


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 02:01:12 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 09:33 am

    Does anyone know what happened to Carol Shenkenberger? She used to be on Dove-Net years ago.

    $ The Millionaire $


    i made him/her quit
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 02:03:11 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Fri Oct 18 2019 11:22 am


    Well apparently she's on FSXNet instead. Wondered why she dropped Dove-Net? She's still using Synchronet BBS though.


    why you keep talking about fsxnet
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 02:05:58 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 06:21 pm

    From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Avon on Friday, October 18, 2019 12:24:27
    Re: Re: Code of Conduct?
    By: Avon to Blue White on Fri Oct 18 2019 12:57 pm

    In respect to 'avoid' the issue for me is that in this medium you can't real


    stop posting msgs from other nets into dovenet.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sat Oct 19 00:20:09 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 06:21 pm

    stop posting msgs from other nets into dovenet.
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    It’s called proof of evidence.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sat Oct 19 00:21:26 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Fri Oct 18 2019 11:22 am

    why you keep talking about fsxnet
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    Because they’re still talking about me.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sat Oct 19 00:24:12 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 09:33 am

    i made him/her quit
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    You gonna make DM quit next? Is that on your agenda?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 02:27:31 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 06:21 pm

    I'm not going to quote all of what you posted, but if people want to read that, they can go read it on FSXNet. Why do you feel the need to post all that here?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sat Oct 19 02:28:42 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 18 2019 10:03 pm

    why you keep talking about fsxnet

    He had a hard time there, and I think now he's butthurt.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 02:29:24 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:20 pm

    stop posting msgs from other nets into dovenet.

    It's called proof of evidence.

    You wanted to... prove that there's evidence? Of what exactly? And if people want to see that, they can go read it on FSXNet..

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Sat Oct 19 08:32:16 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:20 pm

    You wanted to... prove that there's evidence? Of what exactly? And if people want to see that, they can go read it on FSXNet..

    Nightfox

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    That you are a double sided high density floppy disk. You say you agree with Paul and will eventually get tired of the ongoing behaviour? Sounds like a pretty good case of the influenza here to me. But guess what? There’s no cure for this one and you will never recover from it.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 12:39:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to MRO <=-

    stop posting msgs from other nets into dovenet.

    It's called proof of evidence.

    No, it's called: You continue to prove you're an idiot.

    Please go away.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Sat Oct 19 12:40:31 2019
    No, it's called: You continue to prove you're an idiot.

    Please go away.

    ... He does the work of 3 Men...Moe, Larry & Curly
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    No, I’m not. Why don’t you please go away? Florida Republicans. Hmph! You people start it in the first place and I come back to defend myself here and I’m the bad guy here? How sad and pathetic that is.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sat Oct 19 12:25:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    I don't remember if I saw her on Dove-Net or not, but I seem to
    remember her being a net coordinator on FidoNet. I thought she was
    still doing that, but I'm not sure.

    I have a legacy entry for her in region 10, see her on the COOKING echo and
    (I think) NOSTALGIA.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 12:28:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to MRO <=-

    It's called proof of evidence.

    Please stop.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 16:45:13 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:20 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 06:21 pm

    stop posting msgs from other nets into dovenet.
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    It's called proof of evidence.


    it doesnt belong here so please stop posting about it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 16:50:44 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:21 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Fri Oct 18 2019 11:22 am

    why you keep talking about fsxnet
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    Because they're still talking about me.


    arent you a grown fucking man? ignore them.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 16:51:58 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:24 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to All on Fri Oct 18 2019 09:33 am

    i made him/her quit
    You gonna make DM quit next? Is that on your agenda?


    yep, now ya know.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 17:02:54 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sat Oct 19 2019 04:32 am

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:20 pm

    You wanted to... prove that there's evidence? Of what exactly? And if people want to see that, they can go read it on FSXNet..

    Nightfox

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    That you are a double sided high density floppy disk. You say you agree with Paul and will eventually get tired of the ongoing behaviour? Sounds like a pretty good case of the influenza here to me. But guess what? There's no cur for this one and you will never recover from it.



    only YOU can make YOU look bad.

    and you are doing a good job of it here.
    so just shut up about it
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 16:33:05 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sat Oct 19 2019 04:32 am

    That you are a double sided high density floppy disk. You say you agree with Paul and will eventually get tired of the ongoing behaviour? Sounds

    There's often 2 sides to every story. I can often see both sides, even if I don't agree with both.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Oct 19 19:14:17 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 2019 12:33 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Sat Oct 19 2019 04:32 am

    That you are a double sided high density floppy disk. You say you agree with Paul and will eventually get tired of the ongoing behaviour? Sound

    There's often 2 sides to every story. I can often see both sides, even if I don't agree with both.


    i would rather see no side.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sat Oct 19 17:22:16 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:21 pm

    arent you a grown fucking man? ignore them.
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    If I ignore them, who do I talk to then? There won’t be anyone left. *sighs*

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Sat Oct 19 17:24:01 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:24 pm

    yep, now ya know.
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    What happens to Dovenet then?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 20:25:32 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 19 2019 01:22 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:21 pm

    arent you a grown fucking man? ignore them.
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    If I ignore them, who do I talk to then? There won't be anyone left. *sighs*


    guess you gotta find another hobby
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 20:26:21 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 19 2019 01:24 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Fri Oct 18 2019 08:24 pm

    yep, now ya know.
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    What happens to Dovenet then?


    dovenet went on without digitalman in the past.

    when my botnet takes over all the active msg nets i will filter everyone but me.
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  • From Nodoka Hanamura@VERT/NEOCINCI to MRO on Sat Oct 19 22:28:00 2019
    On 18 Oct 2019, MRO said the following...

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Fri Oct 18 2019 11:22 am


    Well apparently she's on FSXNet instead. Wondered why she dropped Dove- She's still using Synchronet BBS though.


    why you keep talking about fsxnet

    Seconded. This is getting very annoying.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nodoka Hanamura on Sat Oct 19 20:13:12 2019
    On 18 Oct 2019, MRO said the following...

    Seconded. This is getting very annoying.

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    Thirded. This is getting very annoying.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 19 22:49:14 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 19 2019 01:22 pm

    arent you a grown fucking man? ignore them.

    If I ignore them, who do I talk to then? There won't be anyone left. *sighs*

    So what you're saying is, it's not them, it's you?

    DaiTengu

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to DaiTengu on Sun Oct 20 07:43:35 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Sat Oct 19 2019 01:22 pm

    So what you're saying is, it's not them, it's you?

    DaiTengu

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    WTF?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nightfox on Sun Oct 20 03:17:56 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 18 2019 10:29 pm

    stop posting msgs from other nets into dovenet.

    It's called proof of evidence.

    You wanted to... prove that there's evidence? Of what exactly? And if people want to see that, they can go read it on FSXNet..

    Just for example I don't read FSXNet nor do I carry it on by BBS's
    so I agree 100% with you Nightfox we should'nt bring it here on Dove-net.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Oct 20 23:26:00 2019
    On 10-18-19 05:55, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    One of the technical "suspensions of disbelief" I have when watching
    The Walking Dead is to think that every nuclear reactor probably
    wouldn't have been shut down cleanly and has probably melted down in
    the 7 years the show has been on.

    I don't know the show, but that sounds like a bit of a plot hole. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 20 23:58:00 2019
    On 10-18-19 09:44, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-

    That sounds correct. There was also another type of reactor that was mentioned that also uses less volatile material and also has some sort
    of mechanical/gravity dependent cooling system. If, say the power goes out, and the reaction starts to go critical, it is able to regulate
    itself & turn itself off without power. That one was discussed when Fukishima (sp?) came into the discussion. I cannot remember exactly
    how it worked but I believe when the temperature reached a certain
    value it would, by default, release the cooling water & kill the
    reaction. That bit was a mechanical mechanism that did not require any power source.

    Interesting, I don't think I've heard of this one. I have heard of other types of reactor that are pretty much self extinguishing and self cooling.

    I may not have that right. The US public broadcaster PBS had an
    episode of one of their science shows (probably NOVA) that covered at least two types of "safe(r)" reactors about a year ago. I am not a big fan of nuke power because of the potential consequences, but that show
    was interesting and made me wonder if there was not some use for it
    (and also a way to get rid of some of the current waste we have lying about in the US).

    I think nuclear has a place, once we learn how to better manage the waste and treat it (hopefully extracting a lot more useful energy!) so that it's relatively safe.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Mon Oct 21 00:12:00 2019
    On 10-18-19 14:56, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It's really sad that Fukashima happened when it did. The plant I was working at had their license extended to run until 2037, and had a planning project to add a third reactor on the property. Obama applied the first nails by killing Yucca Mountain, and Fukashima did the rest
    to change the power company's mind. Besides, the property for the
    third reactor site had to be re-purposed for onsite dry cask storage needed to run another 20 years.

    Yes, I think the world was beginning to regain a little confidence about nuclear energy then, and the need to reduce greenhouse gases made nuclear more attractive, until Fukashima.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 00:46:00 2019
    On 10-18-19 18:21, The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

    @VIA: VERT
    From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Avon on Friday, October 18, 2019 12:24:27
    Re: Re: Code of Conduct?
    By: Avon to Blue White on Fri Oct 18 2019 12:57 pm

    *BIG SNIP*

    Posting messages outside the network of origin without permission is considered poor behaviour at best and is explicitly banned in many places. It's only one away from reposting private netmail to a public forum without consent.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Denn on Sun Oct 20 22:16:52 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 18 2019 10:29 pm

    Just for example I don't read FSXNet nor do I carry it on by BBS's
    so I agree 100% with you Nightfox we should'nt bring it here on Dove-net.

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    You’re a smart man then not to carry FSXNet.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Denn on Sun Oct 20 22:19:29 2019
    You’re a smart man then not to carry FSXNet.

    $ The Millionaire $


    After they treated me I wouldn’t carry it either for that matter.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Vk3jed on Mon Oct 21 00:46:40 2019
    *BIG SNIP*

    Posting messages outside the network of origin without permission is considered poor behaviour at best and is explicitly banned in many places. It's only one away from reposting private netmail to a public forum without consent.

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    They do the exact same thing over there about Dovenet and Synchronet posts.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Denn on Mon Oct 21 02:48:47 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Denn to Nightfox on Sat Oct 19 2019 11:17 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 18 2019 10:29 pm

    stop posting msgs from other nets into dovenet.

    It's called proof of evidence.

    You wanted to... prove that there's evidence? Of what exactly? And if people want to see that, they can go read it on FSXNet..

    Just for example I don't read FSXNet nor do I carry it on by BBS's
    so I agree 100% with you Nightfox we should'nt bring it here on Dove-net.


    i asked them nicely to take him back. we'll see what happens.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 01:27:55 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Vk3jed on Sun Oct 20 2019 08:46 pm

    Posting messages outside the network of origin without permission is
    considered poor behaviour at best and is explicitly banned in many

    They do the exact same thing over there about Dovenet and Synchronet posts.

    I've never seen anyone there copy & paste messages from Dove-Net.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 20:49:00 2019
    On 10-20-19 20:46, The Millionaire wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT
    *BIG SNIP*

    Posting messages outside the network of origin without permission is considered poor behaviour at best and is explicitly banned in many places. It's only one away from reposting private netmail to a public forum without consent.

    They do the exact same thing over there about Dovenet and Synchronet posts.

    What I'm saying to is DON'T DO IT! And that's for everyone.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Mon Oct 21 08:17:35 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: Denn to Nightfox on Sat Oct 19 2019 11:17 pm

    i asked them nicely to take him back. we'll see what happens.
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    Ya gots sum repliez dude. :-)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 09:58:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It's only one away from reposting private netmail to a public forum
    without consent.

    They do the exact same thing over there about Dovenet and Synchronet posts.

    Pointing out mistakes elsewhere (without any proof, I might add) doesn't
    make your posting FSXnet threads here any less wrong.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Oct 21 10:39:14 2019
    Pointing out mistakes elsewhere (without any proof, I might add) doesn't
    make your posting FSXnet threads here any less wrong.

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    Oh I see well then you’re not any better than the rest of them then. You all spy on me and gossip monger behind my back and report what I talk about on Dovenet on FSXNet to Paul Hatehim is pretty much I believe is the same exact thing looks to me.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 11:47:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Posting messages outside the network of origin without permission is considered poor behaviour at best and is explicitly banned in many places. It's only one away from reposting private netmail to a public forum without consent.

    They do the exact same thing over there about Dovenet and
    Synchronet posts.

    Bullshit.



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Mon Oct 21 13:29:49 2019
    Bullshit.

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    Talking about yourself again?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 14:10:01 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Oct 21 2019 06:39 am

    Oh I see well then you're not any better than the rest of them then. You all spy on me and gossip monger behind my back and report what I talk

    Honestly, I don't think this whole thing is really important enough for anyone to want to spy on you. I don't think anyone really wants to take the time in their busy day for that.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Mon Oct 21 17:51:02 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 20 2019 09:27 pm

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Vk3jed on Sun Oct 20 2019 08:46 pm

    Posting messages outside the network of origin without permission is
    considered poor behaviour at best and is explicitly banned in many

    They do the exact same thing over there about Dovenet and Synchronet posts.

    I've never seen anyone there copy & paste messages from Dove-Net.

    Neither have I. Neither has anyone else. More delusional BS from TM.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Mon Oct 21 17:13:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Oct 21 2019 06:39 am

    Honestly, I don't think this whole thing is really important enough for anyone to want to spy on you. I don't think anyone really wants to take the time in their busy day for that.

    Nightfox

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    Would you like proof? Read the Millionaire thread on FSXNet. Nodoka Hanamura said he saw me on Dovenet. I consider that spying. So what if I’m on Dovenet? What’s so important about where I am?
    Then Blue White is saying I am posting messages because I’m angry about what happened on FSXNet on Dovenet. What’s it to him for? I consider that gossip mongering.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Mon Oct 21 16:57:58 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Mon Oct 21 2019 01:51 pm

    I've never seen anyone there copy & paste messages from Dove-Net.

    Neither have I. Neither has anyone else. More delusional BS from TM.

    And of course, he downvoted my message (and continues to upvote all of his own messages)..

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Mon Oct 21 17:16:45 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 20 2019 09:27 pm

    Neither have I. Neither has anyone else. More delusional BS from TM.

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    If I’m delusional for stating the facts here, then I’m living on the wrong planet then.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Mon Oct 21 17:21:09 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Mon Oct 21 2019 01:51 pm

    And of course, he downvoted my message (and continues to upvote all of his own messages)..

    Nightfox

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    When you have something good to say I will upvote your message.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 17:30:37 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Oct 21 2019 01:13 pm

    Honestly, I don't think this whole thing is really important enough
    for anyone to want to spy on you. I don't think anyone really wants
    to take the time in their busy day for that.

    Would you like proof? Read the Millionaire thread on FSXNet. Nodoka Hanamura said he saw me on Dovenet. I consider that spying. So what if I'm on Dovenet? What's so important about where I am?

    I'm honestly curious to know how exactly that constitutes proof people are spying on you? You keep saying things like you see people logging in here and there, and you assume they're spying on you. And someone said they saw you on Dove-Net? So what? They may have just happened to see you while reading messages. How is that evidence of spying? You seem to jump to conclusions a lot, and I think you're also taking that out of context too. Why did he say he saw you on Dove-Net?

    Then Blue White is saying I am posting messages because I'm angry about what happened on FSXNet on Dovenet. What's it to him for? I consider that gossip mongering.

    As someone else said, you seem to be accusing other people of things you're doing yourself. You have been gossip mongering by saying this and that about people logging in here and there, and what people are saying about you, and you have been accusing people of spying on you. And you turned gossip mongering up to 11 when you copied & pasted some messages from FSXNet to Dove-Net.

    As they say, when you point a finger at someone else, there are 3 more fingers pointing back at you.

    You seem to like spreading gossip and causing drama, and people are getting tired of it. If you have the energy to do this, why not focus your energy to something more productive and positive?

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to THE MILLIONAIRE on Mon Oct 21 16:51:00 2019
    They do the exact same thing over there about Dovenet and Synchronet posts.

    I have never seen them copy stuff over. DM does participate some on FSX so
    he may answer questions there also, but I don't see the level of
    crossposting we've seen here lately.

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  • From Nodoka Hanamura@VERT/NEOCINCI to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 22:56:00 2019
    Oooh boy. Now the kid gloves are off.

    On 21 Oct 2019, The Millionaire said the following...
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Oct 21 2019 06:39 am
    Would you like proof? Read the Millionaire thread on FSXNet. Nodoka Hanamura said he saw me on Dovenet. I consider that spying. So what if

    First of all, I'm a she. Second of all, DOVENET is a public network, you shitgibbon. So is FSXNET. Anyone can join DOVENET or access dovenet from any connected QWK node. I joined DoveNET with my BBS so I and what few users I
    have can access something other than the local and FSXNET message nets, and
    for me to learn QWK networking with Mystic. Not so I could play lookie-loo
    with some paranoid lunatic who thinks I give half a rat's back-end about him and his whinery about how FSXNET maintains itself. I tried to keep relatively mum about this for as long as possible, as I made a promise to someone in the scene related to the sitaution that I would, but I cannot, in good
    conscience, let you continue to tarnish the name of the network, and of
    myself and my contemporaries.

    I usually just ignore people like you, but you are a serious detriment to
    both FSXNET and DOVENET. This 'spying' you accuse me of, and Blue White being
    a 'gossip mongerer' is argumentum ad hominem! But then again, this is par for the course with you since you thought Avon went to "CHRIST CHURCH", and not
    to CHRISTCHURCH, NEW ZEALAND! You immediately thought him a religious zealot, and proceeded to attack him thereby. From that point forward, I threw away
    any benefit of the doubt to your complaints since you had no leg to stand on.

    Furthermore, you posted in DOVENET, saying that Avon had connected to Vertrauen, awhile back. You accuse me of 'spying', and yet you publicly announce the fact that you're stalking the man? Didn't your mother ever teach you not to throw stones out of glass houses?

    At first I didn't want to get involved, but now, I'm hoping to god that DM
    bans you from the network, and all involved SYSOPs do the same. You spew vitriol and ad hominem when you don't get your way, and when you're accused
    of not being right in the head (When you clearly are), you deny it.

    You've violated Rule 1 of this network (Excessive personal attacks), and I'm pretty close to the fire myself with this tirade, but I'm not going to sit
    here and have someone put words and actions in my mouth, and neither will I
    let this circus of yours continue without appropriate rebuke.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nodoka Hanamura on Mon Oct 21 20:12:20 2019
    Oooh boy. Now the kid gloves are off.

    On 21 Oct 2019, The Millionaire said the following...

    First of all, I'm a she. Second of all, DOVENET is a public network, you shitgibbon. So is FSXNET. Anyone can join DOVENET or access dovenet from any connected QWK node. I joined DoveNET with my BBS so I and what few users I have can access something other than the local and FSXNET message nets, and for me to learn QWK networking with Mystic. Not so I could play lookie-loo with some paranoid lunatic who thinks I give half a rat's back-end about him and his whinery about how FSXNET maintains itself. I tried to keep relatively mum about this for as long as possible, as I made a promise to someone in the scene related to the sitaution that I would, but I cannot, in good conscience, let you continue to tarnish the name of the network, and of myself and my contemporaries.

    I usually just ignore people like you, but you are a serious detriment to both FSXNET and DOVENET. This 'spying' you accuse me of, and Blue White being a 'gossip mongerer' is argumentum ad hominem! But then again, this is par for the course with you since you thought Avon went to "CHRIST CHURCH", and not to CHRISTCHURCH, NEW ZEALAND! You immediately thought him a religious zealot, and proceeded to attack him thereby. From that point forward, I threw away any benefit of the doubt to your complaints since you had no leg to stand on.

    Furthermore, you posted in DOVENET, saying that Avon had connected to Vertrauen, awhile back. You accuse me of 'spying', and yet you publicly announce the fact that you're stalking the man? Didn't your mother ever teach you not to throw stones out of glass houses?

    At first I didn't want to get involved, but now, I'm hoping to god that DM bans you from the network, and all involved SYSOPs do the same. You spew vitriol and ad hominem when you don't get your way, and when you're accused of not being right in the head (When you clearly are), you deny it.

    You've violated Rule 1 of this network (Excessive personal attacks), and I'm pretty close to the fire myself with this tirade, but I'm not going to sit here and have someone put words and actions in my mouth, and neither will I let this circus of yours continue without appropriate rebuke.

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    I hope they ban you permanently for the way you treat people. You don’t need to swear so you sound all so cool. I’m glad they bombed Hiroshima and Pearl Harbour. Taught you people a few lessons about life. How about when you people invaded China and murdered a lot of people? I know it’s ancient history. So look at yourself in the mirror first before you look at others. You don’t even know how much power I really have. I have connections to a lot of powerful people. So don’t try to even mess with me.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Mon Oct 21 17:40:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Oct 20 2019 07:26 pm

    On 10-18-19 05:55, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    One of the technical "suspensions of disbelief" I have when watching The Walking Dead is to think that every nuclear reactor probably wouldn't have been shut down cleanly and has probably melted down in the 7 years the show has been on.

    I don't know the show, but that sounds like a bit of a plot hole. :)


    ... Death, when unnecessary, is a tragic thing.

    Never mentioned on the show, however in the spinoff Fear the Walking Dead
    last seaosn they met a senior reactor operator that kept a plant running
    after the disaster, which resulted in a meltdown.

    In real life, federal regulations lay down rules regarding when a plant
    should be shut down, and even though a plant generates power itself, they
    rely on separate power source such as the grid and large backup generators to power the essential systems and controls that run the reactor. Once the external power grid went down, any remaining fuel should've been used to run the backup generators to properly shut the plant down. Pandemic and interruption of power due to disasters will always lean on the safety side.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 20:52:53 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nodoka Hanamura on Mon Oct 21 2019 04:12 pm

    I hope they ban you permanently for the way you treat people. You don't need to swear so you sound all so cool. I'm glad they bombed Hiroshima and Pearl Harbour. Taught you people a few lessons about life. How about when

    Wow, if that's not a statement of hate speech, it at least seems to border on it. You don't like what someone said, so your response is "I'm glad they bombed your people"? Really? Now I really am convinced you're a nutcase, as you can't seem to be civil.

    How about the fact that the Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombings were the only time nuclear weapons have ever been used in combat?

    When I retire, I hope I'm not so bored that I resort to causing drama like this.

    others. You don't even know how much power I really have. I have connections to a lot of powerful people. So don't try to even mess with me.

    You've said things like that, but never really explained who your connections are or how you have so much power. What are you going to do? And if you have so much power, why couldn't you stop those people you complained so much about who were emailing you on Vertrauen?

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 22 00:24:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Vk3jed on Sun Oct 20 2019 08:46 pm

    Posting messages outside the network of origin without permission is considered poor behaviour at best and is explicitly banned in many places. It's only one away from reposting private netmail to a public forum withou consent.

    They do the exact same thing over there about Dovenet and Synchronet posts.

    if they jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 22 00:24:33 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Mon Oct 21 2019 04:17 am

    i asked them nicely to take him back. we'll see what happens.
    Ya gots sum repliez dude. :-)


    unlike you, i dont give a shit.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 22 00:25:26 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Oct 21 2019 06:39 am

    Oh I see well then you're not any better than the rest of them then. You all spy on me and gossip monger behind my back and report what I talk about on Dovenet on FSXNet to Paul Hatehim is pretty much I believe is the same exact thing looks to me.



    you sound like a fucking 10 year old.
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  • From Nodoka Hanamura@VERT to Nightfox on Mon Oct 21 23:00:20 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 2019 04:52 pm

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nodoka Hanamura on Mon Oct 21 2019 04:12 pm

    I hope they ban you permanently for the way you treat people. You don't need to swear so you sound all so cool. I'm glad they bombed Hiroshima and Pearl Harbour. Taught you people a few lessons about life. How about when

    Wow, if that's not a statement of hate speech, it at least seems to border on it. You don't like what someone said, so your response is "I'm glad they bombed your people"? Really? Now I really am convinced you're a nutcase, as you can't seem to be civil.

    How about the fact that the Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombings were the only time nuclear weapons have ever been used in combat?

    When I retire, I hope I'm not so bored that I resort to causing drama like this.

    others. You don't even know how much power I really have. I have connections to a lot of powerful people. So don't try to even mess with me.

    You've said things like that, but never really explained who your connections are or how you have so much power. What are you going to do? And if you have so much power, why couldn't you stop those people you complained so much about who were emailing you on Vertrauen?

    Nightfox


    I'm not even Japanese (Nodoka Hanamura is merely an alias I use online, stemming from my love for the country) but regardless, i'm not surprised by his behavior. The man's unhinged and it'd be for the best if All involved either ignored him or told Digital Man to show him the door.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Mon Oct 21 23:14:17 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Mon Oct 21 2019 04:17 am

    unlike you, i dont give a shit.
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    Neither do I.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nodoka Hanamura on Mon Oct 21 23:16:01 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 2019 04:52 pm

    I'm not even Japanese (Nodoka Hanamura is merely an alias I use online, stemming from my love for the country) but regardless, i'm not surprised by his behavior. The man's unhinged and it'd be for the best if All involved either ignored him or told Digital Man to show him the door.


    DM will be glad to show you the door anytime.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Mon Oct 21 23:19:34 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Oct 21 2019 06:39 am

    you sound like a fucking 10 year old.
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    You should act your own age yourself.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Mon Oct 21 23:22:23 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Vk3jed on Sun Oct 20 2019 08:46 pm

    if they jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?
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    No but you probably would.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 22 01:29:35 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Oct 21 2019 01:13 pm

    Would you like proof? Read the Millionaire thread on FSXNet. Nodoka Hanamura said he saw me on Dovenet. I consider that spying. So what if I'm on Dovenet What's so important about where I am?


    tried to find it. died of boredom from reading.

    happened on FSXNet on Dovenet. What's it to him for? I consider that gossip mongering.

    you are gossip mongering.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nodoka Hanamura on Tue Oct 22 01:32:16 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nodoka Hanamura to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 2019 06:56 pm

    First of all, I'm a she. Second of all, DOVENET is a public network, you


    are you trans? most 'women' in bbsing nowadays are chicks with dicks.

    You've violated Rule 1 of this network (Excessive personal attacks), and I'm pretty close to the fire myself with this tirade, but I'm not going to sit here and have someone put words and actions in my mouth, and neither will I let this circus of yours continue without appropriate rebuke.

    that's a rule? oops
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 22 01:33:46 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Mon Oct 21 2019 07:14 pm

    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Mon Oct 21 2019 04:17 am

    unlike you, i dont give a shit.
    Neither do I.


    then fucking shut up. you make me want to get on a plane and disable your other arm so you cant write here.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Mon Oct 21 23:54:36 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Mon Oct 21 2019 07:14 pm

    then fucking shut up. you make me want to get on a plane and disable your other arm so you cant write here.
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    Sure and they’ll disable both your legs. How does that sound? Fair treatment.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Tue Oct 22 17:19:11 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nodoka Hanamura on Mon Oct 21 2019 04:12 pm

    I hope they ban you permanently for the way you treat people. You don't need
    to swear so you sound all so cool. I'm glad they bombed Hiroshima and Pearl Harbour. Taught you people a few lessons about life. How about when you people invaded China and murdered a lot of people? I know
    it's ancient history. So look at yourself in the mirror first before you look at others. You don't
    even know how much power I really have. I have connections to a lot of powerful people. So don't try to even mess with me.

    DM, I think this has gone on long enough. It would be great if you stepped in here to stop it.
    ...δεσ*

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Alterego on Tue Oct 22 00:08:01 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nodoka Hanamura on Mon Oct 21 2019 04:12 pm

    DM, I think this has gone on long enough. It would be great if you stepped in here to stop it.
    ...δεσ*

    ... Drop your carrier ...we have you surrounded!

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    Yes that would be a great idea. I agree there totally. Like he said in his dovenet rules, well read them in the wiki site.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 22 00:57:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Nodoka Hanamura <=-

    <SNIP>

    You've violated Rule 1 of this network (Excessive personal attacks), and I'm pretty close to the fire myself with this tirade, but I'm not going to sit here and have someone put words and actions in my mouth, and neither will I let this circus of yours continue without appropriate rebuke.

    I hope they ban you permanently for the way you treat people. You
    don't need to swear so you sound all so cool. I'm glad they
    bombed Hiroshima and Pearl Harbour. Taught you people a few
    lessons about life. How about when you people invaded China and
    murdered a lot of people? I know it's ancient history. So look at
    yourself in the mirror first before you look at others. You don't
    even know how much power I really have. I have connections to a
    lot of powerful people. So don't try to even mess with me.

    This is over the top and unacceptable.

    You don't come in here and spew that kind of hate speech, and get
    away with it. And then you puff out your chest and THREATEN
    people? If you're so tough, PM me and I'll give you my address so
    you can come visit me.

    I'll make a public request right here and now to have you banned
    permanently from DoveNet. This crap has gone on long enough.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Tue Oct 22 00:59:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I've never seen anyone there copy & paste messages from Dove-Net.

    Neither have I. Neither has anyone else. More delusional BS from TM.

    And of course, he downvoted my message (and continues to upvote
    all of his own messages)..

    Yep, he downvotes every single one of my messages. :-)



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Tue Oct 22 00:22:38 2019
    <SNIP>

    This is over the top and unacceptable.

    You don't come in here and spew that kind of hate speech, and get
    away with it. And then you puff out your chest and THREATEN
    people? If you're so tough, PM me and I'll give you my address so
    you can come visit me.

    I'll make a public request right here and now to have you banned
    permanently from DoveNet. This crap has gone on long enough.

    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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    You will only get banned in the process. So it’s your call.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to THE MILLIONAIRE on Tue Oct 22 00:08:00 2019
    Oh I see well then you're not any better than the rest of them then. You all spy on me and gossip monger behind my back and report what I talk about on Dovenet on FSXNet to Paul Hatehim is pretty much I believe is the same exact thing looks to me.

    I think you are taking this too personally. I do not think the rule making
    is just because of you. I honestly think there will be other candidates
    who challenge the new rules as well. It is not like they are that strict anyway. Don't stir the pot and you are probably fine there. You are
    already posting there again and, so far, your messages are being
    distributed.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Tue Oct 22 00:10:00 2019
    Honestly, I don't think this whole thing is really important enough for anyone >o want to spy on you. I don't think anyone really wants to take the time in th
    ir busy day for that.

    +1

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to THE MILLIONAIRE on Tue Oct 22 00:11:00 2019
    Then Blue White is saying I am posting messages because I'm angry about what happened on FSXNet on Dovenet. What's it to him for? I consider that gossip mongering.

    That damn Blue White is a trouble maker for sure.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 22 03:24:45 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Nodoka Hanamura on Mon Oct 21 2019 04:12 pm

    I hope they ban you permanently for the way you treat people. You don't need to swear so you sound all so cool. I'm glad they bombed Hiroshima and Pearl Harbour. Taught you people a few lessons about life. How about when you people invaded China and murdered a lot of people? I know it's ancient history. So look at yourself in the mirror first before you look at others. You don't even know how much power I really have. I have connections to a lot of powerful people. So don't try to even mess with me.


    Two men in a Van wearing clean white suits came by the networks looking for you earlier today.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Gamgee on Tue Oct 22 10:17:00 2019
    Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Yep, he downvotes every single one of my messages. :-)

    Does that go on our PERMANENT RECORDS?


    ... Would anybody want it?
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Oct 22 13:49:47 2019
    Does that go on our PERMANENT RECORDS?

    ... Would anybody want it?
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    Oh yes it will. Everything you do on the internet goes on your permanent record. That’s a 100% guarantee there.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 22 14:00:03 2019
    Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Mon Oct 21 2019 07:14 pm

    unlike you, i dont give a shit.

    Neither do I.

    Apparently you do, since you're posting so much about it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tue Oct 22 14:08:14 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: The Millionaire to Gamgee on Mon Oct 21 2019 08:22 pm

    This is over the top and unacceptable.

    You don't come in here and spew that kind of hate speech, and get
    away with it. And then you puff out your chest and THREATEN
    people? If you're so tough, PM me and I'll give you my address so
    you can come visit me.

    I'll make a public request right here and now to have you banned
    permanently from DoveNet. This crap has gone on long enough.

    You will only get banned in the process. So it's your call.

    http://i.imgflip.com/1tmvtw.jpg

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Oct 22 16:37:21 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Gamgee on Tue Oct 22 2019 06:17 am

    Yep, he downvotes every single one of my messages. :-)

    Does that go on our PERMANENT RECORDS?

    Haha! OH NO!!!

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  • From Zoohouse@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Oct 22 19:29:00 2019
    Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    @VIA: PALANT
    @TZ: c168
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Gamgee on Tue Oct 22 2019 06:17 am

    Yep, he downvotes every single one of my messages. :-)

    I didn't know messages could be voted for... How does one go about voting
    for messages?

    -Zoo

    Does that go on our PERMANENT RECORDS?

    Haha! OH NO!!!

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nodoka Hanamura on Tue Oct 22 23:24:34 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nodoka Hanamura to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 2019 18:56:00

    Oooh boy. Now the kid gloves are off.

    Since I cannot find the up and downvote commands on my own board... +1

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Zoohouse on Wed Oct 23 02:14:00 2019
    Zoohouse wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I didn't know messages could be voted for... How does one go about
    voting for messages?

    V from the reading messages menu.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Wed Oct 23 15:27:00 2019
    On 10-21-19 13:40, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Never mentioned on the show, however in the spinoff Fear the Walking
    Dead last seaosn they met a senior reactor operator that kept a plant running after the disaster, which resulted in a meltdown.

    Hmm, OK.

    In real life, federal regulations lay down rules regarding when a plant should be shut down, and even though a plant generates power itself,
    they rely on separate power source such as the grid and large backup generators to power the essential systems and controls that run the reactor. Once the external power grid went down, any remaining fuel should've been used to run the backup generators to properly shut the plant down. Pandemic and interruption of power due to disasters will always lean on the safety side.

    They also need a source of power for cooling water, which must keep circulating after the reactor has been shutdown, because the residual heat from radioactive decay of fission products is still sufficient to cause a meltdown.


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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Dumas Walker on Wed Oct 23 11:44:43 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to Nodoka Hanamura on Tue Oct 22 2019 07:24 pm

    Since I cannot find the up and downvote commands on my own board... +1

    Just hit the V key man.


    Havens BBS

    SysOp: HusTler

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Dumas Walker on Wed Oct 23 18:20:34 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to Nodoka Hanamura on Tue Oct 22 2019 19:24:34


    Since I cannot find the up and downvote commands on my own board... +1

    hit the question mark when you are viewing a message you want to vote on... if you are using the default theme and have the new menus in place, the V key should be Vote...


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Rampage on Wed Oct 23 16:26:37 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Rampage to Dumas Walker on Wed Oct 23 2019 02:20 pm

    hit the question mark when you are viewing a message you want to vote on... if you are using the default theme and have the new menus in place, the V key should be Vote...

    Yep. There have been questions sometimes that could have been easily answered just by reading the help screen or documentation, or perhaps just trying a command to see if it's supported (one might be able to guess that you could vote with the V key).

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Oct 23 17:26:07 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 11 2019 09:41 am

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 2019 08:45 pm

    I do suggest that if you can, connect via IPv6, you should get a faster connection that way. :)

    I haven't explored IPv6 much yet.. I probbaly should, as I know IPv4 is probably going to stop working at some point.

    Maybe, possibly, but I predict that would be a long time from now. And most likely IPv4 for your local networks will continue to work forever, if you want.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Wed Oct 23 20:10:11 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to Nodoka Hanamura on Tue Oct 22 2019 07:24 pm

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nodoka Hanamura to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 2019 18:56:00

    Oooh boy. Now the kid gloves are off.

    Since I cannot find the up and downvote commands on my own board... +1

    i have it disabled somehow i think
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Oct 23 20:10:34 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Zoohouse on Tue Oct 22 2019 10:14 pm

    Zoohouse wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I didn't know messages could be voted for... How does one go about voting for messages?

    V from the reading messages menu.


    oh i do have it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Oct 23 20:13:56 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Rampage on Wed Oct 23 2019 12:26 pm

    hit the question mark when you are viewing a message you want to vote on... if you are using the default theme and have the new menus in plac the V key should be Vote...

    Yep. There have been questions sometimes that could have been easily answer just by reading the help screen or documentation, or perhaps just trying a command to see if it's supported (one might be able to guess that you could vote with the V key).

    is someone even writing the documentation on the new stuff now?
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wed Oct 23 19:23:51 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Oct 23 2019 04:13 pm

    hit the question mark when you are viewing a message you want to
    vote on... if you are using the default theme and have the new
    menus in plac the V key should be Vote...

    Yep. There have been questions sometimes that could have been easily
    answer just by reading the help screen or documentation, or perhaps
    just trying a command to see if it's supported (one might be able to
    guess that you could vote with the V key).

    is someone even writing the documentation on the new stuff now?

    I'd hope so (sometimes I see Digital Man adding stuff to the wiki). Also, as has been mentioned, you can sometimes press the question mark key to show a help screen. And even for old stuff, sometimes I see questions that are often already answered in help screens, etc..

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HUSTLER on Wed Oct 23 22:45:00 2019
    Since I cannot find the up and downvote commands on my own board... +1
    Just hit the V key man.

    Somehow my msghelp.asc file was corrupted. I pulled a new copy from cvs
    and the command shows up now. :)

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Vk3jed on Wed Oct 23 20:01:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Wed Oct 23 2019 11:27 am

    They also need a source of power for cooling water, which must keep circulat
    after the reactor has been shutdown, because the residual heat from radioact decay of fission products is still sufficient to cause a meltdown.


    ... It's not a bagpipe, but don't stop playing.

    I thought flooding the reactor with boron was supposed to suppress the reaction. If a disaster looked like it would take a long time, they could offload the fuel assemblies and store them in the spent fuel pool.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Thu Oct 24 19:18:00 2019
    On 10-23-19 16:01, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I thought flooding the reactor with boron was supposed to suppress the reaction. If a disaster looked like it would take a long time, they
    could offload the fuel assemblies and store them in the spent fuel
    pool.

    It should, but there's still about 6% of full power level in decay heat produced after you strop the reaction.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Digital Man on Thu Oct 24 23:54:00 2019
    On 10-23-19 13:26, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I haven't explored IPv6 much yet.. I probbaly should, as I know IPv4 is probably going to stop working at some point.

    Maybe, possibly, but I predict that would be a long time from now. And most likely IPv4 for your local networks will continue to work forever,
    if you want.

    I think IPv4 will kick on for a while, but I'm ready for whatever happens. Dual stack here. :)


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Oct 24 22:20:00 2019
    Since I cannot find the up and downvote commands on my own board... +1

    i have it disabled somehow i think

    I actually do have it, I just had a corrupted copy of the msghelp.asc file.
    Pulled a new copy and I see the command now. :)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Thu Oct 24 22:59:21 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Oct 24 2019 06:20 pm

    Since I cannot find the up and downvote commands on my own board... +1

    i have it disabled somehow i think

    I actually do have it, I just had a corrupted copy of the msghelp.asc file.
    Pulled a new copy and I see the command now. :)


    i think i disabled the voting because i dont like it but i am able to vote in the msg reader.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thu Oct 24 21:41:11 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Oct 24 2019 06:59 pm

    i think i disabled the voting because i dont like it but i am able to vote in the msg reader.

    I think there are options to enable/disable voting in each sub-board, but the option for voting might still be there in the reader. If the sub-board doesn't allow voting, it will probably just tell you voting isn't allowed.

    Even if you personally don't like voting, why disable it for everyone on your BBS? Some users on your BBS might want to be able to use the voting feature.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 01:47:08 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Oct 24 2019 05:41 pm

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Oct 24 2019 06:59 pm

    i think i disabled the voting because i dont like it but i am able to v in the msg reader.

    I think there are options to enable/disable voting in each sub-board, but th option for voting might still be there in the reader. If the sub-board does allow voting, it will probably just tell you voting isn't allowed.

    Even if you personally don't like voting, why disable it for everyone on you BBS? Some users on your BBS might want to be able to use the voting feature


    bbses.info is a closed bbs. i did have it up so people could download my enormous file archive on the bbs with the descriptions, but they preferred to use bbstorrents for that.

    i also run bbs.eob-bbs.com dsbbs.net and thegy.bbses.info
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 25 03:17:12 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Thu Oct 24 2019 07:54 pm

    I haven't explored IPv6 much yet.. I probbaly should, as I know
    IPv4 is probably going to stop working at some point.

    Maybe, possibly, but I predict that would be a long time from now.
    And most likely IPv4 for your local networks will continue to work
    forever, if you want.

    I think IPv4 will kick on for a while, but I'm ready for whatever happens. Dual stack here. :)

    I remember in school in the 60's they kept saying the USA would go metric 100% still waiting for that to happen, so yes I agree ipv4 will be around for a long time.
    my isp has ipv4 and ipv6 i still only use ipv4.

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  • From Nodoka Hanamura@VERT/NEOCINCI to Denn on Fri Oct 25 07:00:00 2019
    On 24 Oct 2019, Denn said the following...

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Digital Man on Thu Oct 24 2019 07:54 pm

    I haven't explored IPv6 much yet.. I probbaly should, as I know
    IPv4 is probably going to stop working at some point.

    Maybe, possibly, but I predict that would be a long time from now.
    And most likely IPv4 for your local networks will continue to work
    forever, if you want.

    I think IPv4 will kick on for a while, but I'm ready for whatever hap Dual stack here. :)

    I remember in school in the 60's they kept saying the USA would go metric still waiting for that to happen, so yes I agree ipv4 will be around for a time.
    my isp has ipv4 and ipv6 i still only use ipv4.

    I don't know how long it'll be, honestly. We've already exhausted all
    available IPv4 Addresses - Hell, i'm thankful I still have my own IPv4
    Address. At this rate we'll rely on a single IP address serving an entire neighborhood and at point you'll need to host servers on IPv6 - which is a bitch and a half because the IP Addresses are as user-friendly as someone's granny trying to comprehend PASCAL. Or anyone trying to comprehend PASCAL,
    for that matter.

    We'll still have IPv4 for a long time, yes, but eventually that v4 fallback will cease to be and we'll have to memorize 2001:6969::DEAD:BEEF:1337 or god knows what other addresses when dealing with WAN BS. (Though as much as I dislike IPv6 that is a nice address)

    I swear if anyone ever suggests that IPv4 be dropped for LAN as a standard, I'll lob a server rack at them.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Denn on Fri Oct 25 23:19:00 2019
    On 10-24-19 23:17, Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I remember in school in the 60's they kept saying the USA would go
    metric 100% still waiting for that to happen, so yes I agree ipv4 will

    Australia finished the conversion around 45 years ago. :)

    be around for a long time.
    my isp has ipv4 and ipv6 i still only use ipv4.

    If IPv6 is available, you may as well set it up. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn on Fri Oct 25 13:44:19 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Denn to Vk3jed on Thu Oct 24 2019 11:17 pm

    I remember in school in the 60's they kept saying the USA would go metric 100% still waiting for that to happen, so yes I agree ipv4 will be around

    In the 80s, I remember seeing things fairly often to promote the metric system and that it would be good to learn it. I haven't seen metric promo material in a long time, and I'm not sure if the USA even has plans to switch to metric any time soon.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Denn on Fri Oct 25 13:09:28 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Denn to Vk3jed on Thu Oct 24 2019 11:17 pm

    my isp has ipv4 and ipv6 i still only use ipv4.

    IPV6 will redefine "screwed" for all of us.

    Imagine when your refrigerator, AC outlets, Alexa and all of your PCs and phones have public IP addresses?

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nodoka Hanamura on Fri Oct 25 13:10:58 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nodoka Hanamura to Denn on Fri Oct 25 2019 03:00 am

    Address. At this rate we'll rely on a single IP address serving an entire neighborhood and at point you'll need to host servers on IPv6 - which is a bitch and a half because the IP Addresses are as user-friendly as someone's granny trying to comprehend PASCAL. Or anyone trying to comprehend PASCAL,

    DNS can resolve IPV6 addresses the same way it resolved IPV4, so there's no need to memorize IPV6 addresses. Or did I misunderstand?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Oct 25 16:41:26 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Denn on Fri Oct 25 2019 09:09 am

    IPV6 will redefine "screwed" for all of us.

    Imagine when your refrigerator, AC outlets, Alexa and all of your PCs and phones have public IP addresses?

    That's not really the fault of IPv6 though. Some 'smart appliances' support that with IPv4. There's also consumer choices driving the market. I don't think home appliances & things will all be required to be connected. I'd imagine (or hope) that there will still be non-connected appliances made for the forseeable future.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nodoka Hanamura on Fri Oct 25 19:51:04 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nodoka Hanamura to Denn on Fri Oct 25 2019 03:00 am

    I don't know how long it'll be, honestly. We've already exhausted all available IPv4 Addresses - Hell, i'm thankful I still have my own IPv4


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 25 19:53:03 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Denn on Fri Oct 25 2019 07:19 pm

    On 10-24-19 23:17, Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I remember in school in the 60's they kept saying the USA would go metric 100% still waiting for that to happen, so yes I agree ipv4 will

    Australia finished the conversion around 45 years ago. :)


    in the usa we use both standard and metric measurements.
    in the workplace i've used both. standard and metric both have their particular advantages.

    i'm 42 and in school we were taught both, my son is 25 and he was taught both, and my ex's daughter is now 13 and she was taught both.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Fri Oct 25 19:15:42 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Fri Oct 25 2019 03:53 pm

    in the usa we use both standard and metric measurements.
    in the workplace i've used both. standard and metric both have their particular advantages.

    i'm 42 and in school we were taught both, my son is 25 and he was taught both, and my ex's daughter is now 13 and she was taught both.

    Where have you used both in the workplace?

    Outside the workplace, we mostly use our standard measurements. We use miles for distance, Fahrenheit for temperature, teaspoons, tablespons, cups, and pounds for food measurement, and often use fractions of inches for wrench & bolt sizes, etc.. Though, I have seen a mixture of that and metric for wrench & bolt sizes for cars.

    I'm not really sure why we call it "standard" measurements. Most of the world uses metric, so it's not really "standard"..

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Oct 26 11:07:00 2019
    On 10-25-19 09:10, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nodoka Hanamura <=-

    DNS can resolve IPV6 addresses the same way it resolved IPV4, so
    there's no need to memorize IPV6 addresses. Or did I misunderstand?

    It can and does. You just need AAAA records. :)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Oct 26 01:37:23 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Oct 25 2019 03:15 pm

    Where have you used both in the workplace?

    when i was a young buck i worked at a place that made heart stents and abortion kits and cystoscope cameras.

    and i've used both in machine shops, in quality assurance and in my current job.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sat Oct 26 00:36:02 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 09:37 pm

    Where have you used both in the workplace?

    when i was a young buck i worked at a place that made heart stents and abortion kits and cystoscope cameras.

    and i've used both in machine shops, in quality assurance and in my current job.

    Makes sense for medical stuff and machine shops. For medical stuff specifically, I think it's interesting that medications in the US are measured in milligrams (a metric unit).

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Z on Sat Oct 26 05:20:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Denn on Fri Oct 25 2019 09:44 am

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Denn to Vk3jed on Thu Oct 24 2019 11:17 pm

    I remember in school in the 60's they kept saying the USA would go metr 100% still waiting for that to happen, so yes I agree ipv4 will be arou

    In the 80s, I remember seeing things fairly often to promote the metric syst

    Nightfox


    I recall it bak in the 1970's. In school, we were all geared up, learning
    how to convert, then nothing happened.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 26 02:52:26 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Denn on Fri Oct 25 2019 07:19 pm

    Australia finished the conversion around 45 years ago. :)

    be around for a long time.
    my isp has ipv4 and ipv6 i still only use ipv4.

    If IPv6 is available, you may as well set it up. :)

    It's setup on my router but my game servers have to be ipv4.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Sat Oct 26 14:51:00 2019
    I recall it bak in the 1970's. In school, we were all geared up, learning how to convert, then nothing happened.

    Same here. I even remember we would watch, maybe once a week, some brief
    show about the metric system. All I really remember of it was that it had
    a theme song that it started and maybe ended with.

    The Metric System!
    The Metric System!
    (na-na-na-na-na-na-na)
    The Metric System!!!!

    Catchy but not much on lyrical creativity. :) That could have also been a Sesame Street segment, or a show like that, but I am pretty sure it was something we watched in class.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Oct 26 17:46:20 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Oct 25 2019 08:36 pm


    Makes sense for medical stuff and machine shops. For medical stuff specifically, I think it's interesting that medications in the US are measur in milligrams (a metric unit).



    pretty much anywhere people need to measure you will see both units of measurement.

    for real small thing i prefer using thousandths of an inch to measure to get things real accurate.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Sun Oct 27 11:23:00 2019
    On 10-25-19 15:53, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    in the usa we use both standard and metric measurements.
    in the workplace i've used both. standard and metric both have their particular advantages.

    Because of when I grew up, I learned both too, though a confusing aspect is some imperial units are different to US ones. The gallon being a well known example. The US gallon is around 3.8 litres, while over here, a gallon was around 4.5 litres, same as a UK gallon.

    i'm 42 and in school we were taught both, my son is 25 and he was
    taught both, and my ex's daughter is now 13 and she was taught both.

    Today, only metric is taught, though some old units still creep into everyday conversation. One of the sports I'm involved in was mostly developed here in the mid-late 1800s, so many of those track markings are also in old imperial units, and the measurements come out to round numbers in the old system.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Denn on Sun Oct 27 11:24:00 2019
    On 10-25-19 22:52, Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    If IPv6 is available, you may as well set it up. :)

    It's setup on my router but my game servers have to be ipv4.

    OK, so your PCs get a global IPv6 address? (usually starts with 2xxx)?


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Sun Oct 27 11:56:00 2019
    On 10-26-19 13:46, MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

    for real small thing i prefer using thousandths of an inch to measure
    to get things real accurate.

    Metric is made for extremes.

    If mm isn't fine enough, there's microns (um), nanometres, picometres, femtometres, attometres (we're already smaller than an atom here ;) ) and so on.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 26 22:46:17 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Oct 27 2019 07:56 am


    for real small thing i prefer using thousandths of an inch to measure to get things real accurate.

    Metric is made for extremes.

    If mm isn't fine enough, there's microns (um), nanometres, picometres, femtometres, attometres (we're already smaller than an atom here ;) ) and so on.



    i know but measuring tools either have thousandths or mm.
    i'm not going to go fish for yet another measurement tool for microns, or a nanometer.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Dumas Walker on Sat Oct 26 21:56:09 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to Nodoka Hanamura on Tue Oct 22 2019 07:24 pm

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nodoka Hanamura to The Millionaire on Mon Oct 21 2019 18:56:00

    Oooh boy. Now the kid gloves are off.

    Since I cannot find the up and downvote commands on my own board... +1

    'V' from the "Reading" messages prompt.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Sun Oct 27 01:15:07 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Moondog to Z on Sat Oct 26 2019 01:20 am

    I recall it bak in the 1970's. In school, we were all geared up, learning how to convert, then nothing happened.

    It looks like you replied to one of my messages, but your message was directed to "Z". Do you know how that happened?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sun Oct 27 01:21:14 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Oct 27 2019 07:23 am

    Today, only metric is taught, though some old units still creep into everyday conversation. One of the sports I'm involved in was mostly developed here in the mid-late 1800s, so many of those track markings are also in old imperial units, and the measurements come out to round numbers in the old system.

    In some ways I think the US/imperial system is stupid. There are multiple names for the same measurement. 8 ounces is a cup; therefore, 16 ounces is 2 cups, and is also a pound. 32 ounces is a quart, 2 pounds, or 4 cups. How many different ways do you want to refer to a measurement? :P

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 05:51:47 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 26 2019 09:21 pm

    In some ways I think the US/imperial system is stupid. There are multiple names for the same measurement. 8 ounces is a cup; therefore, 16 ounces is cups, and is also a pound. 32 ounces is a quart, 2 pounds, or 4 cups. How many different ways do you want to refer to a measurement? :P

    you mean like millimeters, centimeters, and so forth?

    how about liters, etc
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Vk3jed on Sun Oct 27 05:21:38 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Denn on Sun Oct 27 2019 07:24 am


    OK, so your PCs get a global IPv6 address? (usually starts with 2xxx)?


    2601:680:xxxx:xxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx

    I x'd out most numbers and letters but you can see the format.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Oct 28 02:05:00 2019
    On 10-26-19 21:21, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    In some ways I think the US/imperial system is stupid. There are
    multiple names for the same measurement. 8 ounces is a cup; therefore,
    16 ounces is 2 cups, and is also a pound. 32 ounces is a quart, 2 pounds, or 4 cups. How many different ways do you want to refer to a measurement? :P

    Worse is there's several different versions of the same measurement. For example:

    gallon - US or British?
    mile - statute or nautical? (both in common use too in the same place)
    ounce - fluid, troy, avoidupois?

    And the list goes on. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Denn on Mon Oct 28 02:09:00 2019
    On 10-27-19 01:21, Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    @VIA: VERT/OUTWEST
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Denn on Sun Oct 27 2019 07:24 am


    OK, so your PCs get a global IPv6 address? (usually starts with 2xxx)?


    2601:680:xxxx:xxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx

    I x'd out most numbers and letters but you can see the format.

    Yep that's a global address. :)

    You're using IPv6 - and many of the big sites will work on IPv6. Your system is likely to try IPv6 first when accessing these sites. :)


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 11:13:38 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 26 2019 21:21:14


    In some ways I think the US/imperial system is stupid. There are
    multiple names for the same measurement. 8 ounces is a cup;
    therefore, 16 ounces is 2 cups, and is also a pound. [...]

    you're confusing mass with volume... yes, using ounces for both is a bit weird... perhaps this will help...

    http://www.differencebetween.net/science/mathematics-statistics/difference-between-fluid-ounces-and-ounces/

    or

    https://tinyurl.com/y6rmdlaz


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 15:53:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat Oct 26 2019 09:15 pm

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Moondog to Z on Sat Oct 26 2019 01:20 am

    I recall it bak in the 1970's. In school, we were all geared up, learni how to convert, then nothing happened.

    It looks like you replied to one of my messages, but your message was direct

    Nightfox


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 16:17:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Sat Oct 26 2019 09:21 pm

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Oct 27 2019 07:23 am

    Today, only metric is taught, though some old units still creep into everyday conversation. One of the sports I'm involved in was mostly developed here in the mid-late 1800s, so many of those track markings a also in old imperial units, and the measurements come out to round numb in the old system.

    In some ways I think the US/imperial system is stupid. There are multiple n ou want to refer to a measurement? :P

    Nightfox


    How is inches, feet, yards any different than names such as millimeters, centimeters, decimeters, and meters? The metric names are easier to calculate and convert, otherwise they can be considered separate measurements used to define scale of an object.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Moondog on Mon Oct 28 15:07:00 2019
    On 10-27-19 12:17, Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

    How is inches, feet, yards any different than names such as
    millimeters, centimeters, decimeters, and meters? The metric names are

    And those 4 metric measurements are actually different scaling factors of the same unit (metre) - see below.

    easier to calculate and convert, otherwise they can be considered
    separate measurements used to define scale of an object.

    Another thing about the metric names is that they are actually composed of - an optional prefix (if present) and the actual unit. The prefix is a standardised multiplier or scaling factor, which can be applied to any metric unit.

    Units include:

    metre (length)
    gram (mass)
    litre (volume)
    degrees Celsius (temperature)


    Prefixes include:
    nano (n) - x0.000000001
    micro (u) - x0.000001 - the symbol is actually the Greek letter "mu".
    milli (m) - x0.001
    centi (c) - x0.01
    kilo (k) - x1000
    mega (M) - x1000000
    giga (G) - x1000000000
    tera (T) - x1000000000000

    There's a whole heap more too, but we'd be here all day if we wrote everything down. :)
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sun Oct 27 22:06:49 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 2019 01:51 am

    In some ways I think the US/imperial system is stupid. There are
    multiple names for the same measurement. 8 ounces is a cup;
    therefore, 16 ounces is cups, and is also a pound. 32 ounces is a
    quart, 2 pounds, or 4 cups. How many different ways do you want to
    refer to a measurement? :P

    you mean like millimeters, centimeters, and so forth?

    how about liters, etc

    Not sure what you mean.. Millimeters, centimeters, etc. are fractions of a meter. It's not like having whole different names for the same thing.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sun Oct 27 22:07:33 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 2019 10:05 pm

    Worse is there's several different versions of the same measurement. For example:

    gallon - US or British?
    mile - statute or nautical? (both in common use too in the same place) ounce - fluid, troy, avoidupois?

    Yep. Though, some things specifically say nautical mile etc..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Moondog on Sun Oct 27 22:15:29 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 2019 12:17 pm

    In some ways I think the US/imperial system is stupid. There are
    multiple n ou want to refer to a measurement? :P

    How is inches, feet, yards any different than names such as millimeters, centimeters, decimeters, and meters? The metric names are easier to calculate and convert, otherwise they can be considered separate measurements used to define scale of an object.

    I was specifically referring to things like the fact that 16 ounces can either be 2 cups or 1 pound, etc..

    Measurements like feet & yards are a bit arbitrary too. A yeard is 3 feet - Why 3? It's something you just have to memorize. The metric system makes a bit more sense with its prefixes - For instance, "milli" means 1/1000th of something, so you know a "millimeter" is 1/1000th of a millimeter. Similarly, "milliliter" is 1/1000th of a liter. "Milli" can apply to anything - so it's a bit more standard of a system. It makes a bit more sense to me than memorizing arbitrary things like a yard is 3 feet, a pound is 16 ounces, a mile is 5280 feet, etc.. Kilometers is easier because you know that "kilo" means 1000, so a kilometer is 1000 meters.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Mon Oct 28 01:59:37 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Mon Oct 28 2019 11:07 am

    And those 4 metric measurements are actually different scaling factors of th same unit (metre) - see below.



    so it's all based on the same scale. is that really that advantageous
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Oct 28 02:01:54 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Oct 27 2019 06:06 pm

    you mean like millimeters, centimeters, and so forth?

    how about liters, etc

    Not sure what you mean.. Millimeters, centimeters, etc. are fractions of a meter. It's not like having whole different names for the same thing.



    you sure arent sure about things a lot.

    does it really bother you that much that units of measurements have different names and dont have 'meter' on the end?

    do you even measure things at all?
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Oct 28 23:30:00 2019
    On 10-27-19 18:07, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    gallon - US or British?
    mile - statute or nautical? (both in common use too in the same place) ounce - fluid, troy, avoidupois?

    Yep. Though, some things specifically say nautical mile etc..

    True.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Mon Oct 28 23:33:00 2019
    On 10-27-19 21:59, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Mon Oct 28 2019 11:07 am

    And those 4 metric measurements are actually different scaling factors of th same unit (metre) - see below.



    so it's all based on the same scale. is that really that advantageous over just something that is widely accepted? in the usa that's not the case. ---

    That's a false argument. If we used it here, we'd still be on imperial measurements. The US is effectively out of step with almost every other country on the planet.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Mon Oct 28 20:00:04 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Oct 28 2019 07:33 pm


    That's a false argument. If we used it here, we'd still be on imperial measurements. The US is effectively out of step with almost every other country on the planet.


    What is false is your assumption that we have one but not the other.
    because we use both units of measurement and teach both.

    we just have a prefered unit. we arent behind; we are having our cake and eating it too.

    to stop teaching one would be detrimental if we had to deal with an issue that would pop up in the workplace. we wouldnt be backwards compatible.

    so i'm 42 years old and i was taught both units of measurement from the start.

    my drawings at work are normally in metric but some old ones are standard. it's no big stretch for me to go back and forth between the two.


    all of us should know what a millimeter, centimeter and so forth look like. we probably would have problems judging kilometers, but that's just because it's from not being in practice. i have problems remembering math formulas that i dont use frequently, too.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Mon Oct 28 19:02:47 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Mon Oct 28 2019 04:00 pm

    What is false is your assumption that we have one but not the other. because we use both units of measurement and teach both.

    we just have a prefered unit. we arent behind; we are having our cake and eating it too.

    to stop teaching one would be detrimental if we had to deal with an issue that would pop up in the workplace. we wouldnt be backwards compatible.

    so i'm 42 years old and i was taught both units of measurement from the start.

    I'm not sure where you went to school, but for me, the metric system wasn't really taught until science classes at least in high school, maybe college, where they talked about metric measuring units. In the 80s, I remember seeing things outside of school about learning the metric system, but it wasn't really taught in the schools.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Oct 28 22:08:13 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Oct 28 2019 03:02 pm


    I'm not sure where you went to school, but for me, the metric system wasn't really taught until science classes at least in high school, maybe college, where they talked about metric measuring units. In the 80s, I remember seei things outside of school about learning the metric system, but it wasn't rea taught in the schools.


    what the hell, arent you even younger than me?
    we started learning the metric system in the 4th grade or earlier in my state.

    you had a crappy school system if this is true.
    i'm pretty sure they started teaching the metric system in schools around the end of the 70s.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Wed Oct 30 00:29:00 2019
    On 10-28-19 16:00, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    What is false is your assumption that we have one but not the other. because we use both units of measurement and teach both.

    Well, a lot of Americans seem to have no idea of metric, you're a refreshing exception to the ones I've known.

    we just have a prefered unit. we arent behind; we are having our cake
    and eating it too.

    to stop teaching one would be detrimental if we had to deal with an
    issue that would pop up in the workplace. we wouldnt be backwards compatible.

    I d agree that knowing both is handy, that's why I've maintained my knowledge of imperial all these years.

    so i'm 42 years old and i was taught both units of measurement from the start.

    my drawings at work are normally in metric but some old ones are
    standard. it's no big stretch for me to go back and forth between the
    two.

    It isn't for me either. In fact, I can often do real time conversions so well that people think we use the old system here. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Oct 30 01:02:00 2019
    On 10-28-19 15:02, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    I'm not sure where you went to school, but for me, the metric system wasn't really taught until science classes at least in high school,
    maybe college, where they talked about metric measuring units. In the

    It makes sense to teach metric in science, because metric is the preferred, if not standard sytem used in science. Over here, people already know metric, but when it comes to science, the use is a bit more specific. You will come up against the term "System Internationale" (SI) when using measurements in science. SI is based around the fundamental units of mass (kilogram), distance (metre) and time (second). Other units are generally derived from these 3 fundamental units.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wed Oct 30 02:23:19 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Tue Oct 29 2019 08:29 pm

    On 10-28-19 16:00, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    What is false is your assumption that we have one but not the other. because we use both units of measurement and teach both.

    Well, a lot of Americans seem to have no idea of metric, you're a refreshing exception to the ones I've known.

    i still think that's a misconception. i have traveled all over the country and people deal with metric unit of measurements all the time. mechanics for instance. or even people that have ever used a tool to tighten something.

    i think we just have a vocal idiot minority.

    it is supposed to be taught in schools since the mid to late 70s.
    i'm positive they are teaching it now and they were teaching it when my 25 yr old son was in school.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Tue Oct 29 23:26:00 2019
    you had a crappy school system if this is true.
    i'm pretty sure they started teaching the metric system in schools around the >end of the 70s.

    I did go to a mostly crappy school system, but even we learned enough about
    it to know that the units are such that they are divisible by 10 (i.e. 10 milimeters = 1 centimeter, etc.). Honestly, I learned to use metric mostly
    by using the "other side" of my ruler. I like metric when I need to
    measure small things... other things are easier to measure/remember in inches/feet/yards.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Wed Oct 30 23:36:00 2019
    On 10-29-19 22:23, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i still think that's a misconception. i have traveled all over the
    country and people deal with metric unit of measurements all the time. mechanics for instance. or even people that have ever used a tool to tighten something.

    Well, seems large segments of the community. A lot of US hams don't seem to understand metric - a notable exception is satellite operators, because metric is the most commonly used system for working in space. There's been many, many times I've had to do an on the fly conversion (converting in the reverse direction is not necessary, because I understand both systems).

    i think we just have a vocal idiot minority.

    it is supposed to be taught in schools since the mid to late 70s.
    i'm positive they are teaching it now and they were teaching it when
    my 25 yr old son was in school.

    Well that I can't comment on, because I'm not familiar with the US education system.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wed Oct 30 14:41:30 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Oct 28 2019 07:33 pm

    That's a false argument. If we used it here, we'd still be on imperial measurements. The US is effectively out of step with almost every other country on the planet.

    I visited the UK in 2013 and saw that they still used miles for distance on their roads (at least, on their road signs). I imagined they probably used kilometers for distance.. Later, I saw a photo online of a UK car that had its speedometer & odometer in miles but showed temperature in Celsius (rather than Fahreinheit, as is usually used in the US). I asked about that, and it sounds like in the UK they use a mix of metric and Imperial, depending on context and situation. It sounds like a bit of a mess.. But I suppose that's true in the US too - Most people in the US seem to be used to US/imperial measurements like feet, inches, miles, yards, ounces, etc., but people in the US know a bit about metric measurements as well, since there's occasionally a need for metric tools when working on cars, etc..

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to MRO on Wed Oct 30 16:58:00 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue Oct 29 2019 10:23 pm

    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Tue Oct 29 2019 08:29 pm

    On 10-28-19 16:00, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    What is false is your assumption that we have one but not the other. because we use both units of measurement and teach both.

    Well, a lot of Americans seem to have no idea of metric, you're a refresh exception to the ones I've known.

    i still think that's a misconception. i have traveled all over the country a people deal with metric unit of measurements all the time. mechanics for instance. or even people that have ever used a tool to tighten something.

    i think we just have a vocal idiot minority.

    it is supposed to be taught in schools since the mid to late 70s.
    i'm positive they are teaching it now and they were teaching it when my 25 old son was in school.

    I recall it being taught in grade school. In high school it was more commonly
    used in science class for measurement in experiments. All the containers
    and beakers had metric measurements on them.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wed Oct 30 14:47:22 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue Oct 29 2019 10:23 pm

    Well, a lot of Americans seem to have no idea of metric, you're a
    refreshing exception to the ones I've known.

    i still think that's a misconception. i have traveled all over the country and people deal with metric unit of measurements all the time. mechanics for instance. or even people that have ever used a tool to tighten something.

    True, I think many people in the US deal with metric measurements for certain things (cars in particular can use metric, particularly foreign cars). I've also seen some cars that use both metric & US standard in the same car.

    I think a lot of people in the US are used to US standard measurements though. We still tend to use measurements such as ounces, gallons, feet, inches, miles, etc.. In other countries, it seems more common to use grams, liters, meters, kilometers, etc.

    I think it's still a subset of people in the US who deal with metric units all the time - Mechanics, as you said, are one. Also, scientists.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Wed Oct 30 20:54:47 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Oct 29 2019 07:26 pm

    you had a crappy school system if this is true.
    i'm pretty sure they started teaching the metric system in schools around t >end of the 70s.

    I did go to a mostly crappy school system, but even we learned enough about it to know that the units are such that they are divisible by 10 (i.e. 10 milimeters = 1 centimeter, etc.). Honestly, I learned to use metric mostly by using the "other side" of my ruler. I like metric when I need to
    measure small things... other things are easier to measure/remember in inches/feet/yards.


    i think for me it was taught a bit in the 3,4,5th grade and then we hit it hard sixth grade.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wed Oct 30 21:00:38 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Oct 30 2019 07:36 pm

    Well, seems large segments of the community. A lot of US hams don't seem to understand metric - a notable exception is satellite operators, because metr


    ham radio operators are wierdos. sorry guys! you are.

    Well that I can't comment on, because I'm not familiar with the US education system.


    i'm gonna ask some of my friends in other parts of the country what their experience is. i know overall it was pushed mid to late 70s in the usa.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thu Oct 31 16:15:00 2019
    On 10-30-19 10:41, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I visited the UK in 2013 and saw that they still used miles for
    distance on their roads (at least, on their road signs). I imagined

    From what I understand, the UK is a really oddball case. I believe they're officially metric, but for some reason, have retained the use of miles at least. I'm not sure what other imperial weights and measures are still in regular use.

    they probably used kilometers for distance.. Later, I saw a photo
    online of a UK car that had its speedometer & odometer in miles but
    showed temperature in Celsius (rather than Fahreinheit, as is usually
    used in the US). I asked about that, and it sounds like in the UK they use a mix of metric and Imperial, depending on context and situation.
    It sounds like a bit of a mess.. But I suppose that's true in the US
    too - Most people in the US seem to be used to US/imperial measurements like feet, inches, miles, yards, ounces, etc., but people in the US
    know a bit about metric measurements as well, since there's
    occasionally a need for metric tools when working on cars, etc..

    Yes, with a lot of cars coming from Eurpoe and Asia these days, metric tools would be a must in the US now.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Thu Oct 31 16:16:00 2019
    On 10-30-19 17:00, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Well, seems large segments of the community. A lot of US hams don't seem to understand metric - a notable exception is satellite operators, because metr


    ham radio operators are wierdos. sorry guys! you are.

    Haha you're probably right. :P

    Well that I can't comment on, because I'm not familiar with the US education system.


    i'm gonna ask some of my friends in other parts of the country what
    their experience is. i know overall it was pushed mid to late 70s in

    Let us know what you find. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thu Oct 31 16:37:00 2019
    On 10-30-19 10:47, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    I think it's still a subset of people in the US who deal with metric
    units all the time - Mechanics, as you said, are one. Also,
    scientists.

    That makes sense - these are the people who must use metric for their work.


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  • From Kifla@VERT/AMIGAC to T on Wed Nov 6 05:44:15 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Zoohouse on Tue Oct 22 2019 22:14:00

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  • From smartyhall@VERT/CYTOPIA to Nodoka Hanamura on Sat Nov 23 08:22:07 2019
    Re: Re: FSXNet
    By: Nodoka Hanamura to Denn on Fri Oct 25 2019 03:00 am

    I don't know how long it'll be, honestly. We've already exhausted all available IPv4 Addresses - Hell, i'm thankful I still have my own IPv4 Address. At this rate we'll rely on a single IP address serving an entire neighborhood and at point you'll need to host servers on IPv6 - which is a bitch and a half because the IP Addresses are as user-friendly as someone's granny trying to comprehend PASCAL. Or anyone trying to comprehend PASCAL, for that matter.

    Hey! PASCAL isn't _THAT_ bad. I mean, at least it's not APL. :-P

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