• Inventor of the Internet

    From Lestat9@VERT/TEMPLEFL to All on Wed Mar 13 05:27:05 2019
    Recently I think it was today or yeste5rday, it was the 30th anniversary of the internet.
    The inventor and it actually is one person, was asked to speak about what he thought about it.

    In summary, he said it was a disaster.

    As someone who ran a bbs back in the 90's I got a kick out of it because the most obvious difference between the bbs format and the internet is
    the loss of control when going from bbs to internet. Power is consolidated on a bbs and thus it can never go to chaos and the internet is chaos.
    The inventor of the internet said , it seems we go from one embarassment, political disaster caused by the internet to a celebrity embarssment
    and before we can even recover another one happens. Thats kind of what chaos is, the inability for closure. It seems like nothing is happening on the internet
    just a billion paths that have no closeure.

    I ran a board and it was file based and there were doors games and I could meet people who liked these things but it never got out of control.

    I cant even read the comments sections on any news site because it seems like influence peddlers and for every 1000 of them there is one real person
    Its like a tactic.

    No matter what anyone says , just drowned it out with a million meaninless comments and eventually no one will read anything because it will be
    assumed nothing important is being said.

    So i enjopyed the inventor of the internet saying things like, You know facebook is too powerful when facebook can end a debate on wether facebook is too powerful.

    That man created a monster and it took him 30 years to admit it.

    He spoke about the facturing.

    That is already happening. Thats when like China , Russia, North America all position thereselves to keeping their part of the internet under their firewall.

    Its a bit like backtracking and going back to more like what a bbs is. Everyone isnt allowed, kind of attitude.

    This seems to be just a symptom of where its going, so running a bbs is essentially where the internet will progress too.

    A nice place where there is central power, and order, and comments are meaningful and relationships are real, and participants aren't plugging something or have alterior motives.


    The inventor of the internet said "there is still time to adjust the steering of the ship."

    It seems he is suggesting his invention is a total fail without,some major adjustments.

    I am aware of at least one Sysop in agreement.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Lestat9 on Wed Mar 13 13:43:40 2019
    Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Lestat9 to All on Wed Mar 13 2019 01:27 am

    Recently I think it was today or yeste5rday, it was the 30th anniversary of the internet.

    Not the internet, the world wide web. The internet has been around longer than the web.

    The inventor and it actually is one person, was asked to speak about what

    Yes, Tim Berners-Lee invented the world wide web.

    As someone who ran a bbs back in the 90's I got a kick out of it because the most obvious difference between the bbs format and the internet is the loss of control when going from bbs to internet. Power is consolidated

    You seem to keep confusing "world wide web" and "internet".

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Wed Mar 13 23:15:00 2019
    You seem to keep confusing "world wide web" and "internet".

    The WWW was the first exposure that many had to the Internet. They did not realize it existed before the WWW. It is a common mistake. I probably
    would not have known had I not been at University at the time. It was
    called BITNET there. Seems like at some point our email addresses changed,
    and they began calling it the Internet on campus instead of BITNET.

    I also had some knowledge of USENET around that time. There were some
    people I could only send email to using the "bang" addresses (lots of '!' characters instead of '@' and periods).

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Wed Mar 13 21:04:00 2019
    Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Wed Mar 13 2019 07:15 pm

    The WWW was the first exposure that many had to the Internet. They did not realize it existed before the WWW. It is a common mistake. I probably would not have known had I not been at University at the time. It was called BITNET there. Seems like at some point our email addresses changed, and they began calling it the Internet on campus instead of BITNET.

    Interesting.. I don't think I've heard the term "bitnet". I have heard it was called "Aarpanet" long before it was known as the internet.

    When I first started using the internet around 1995, the WWW was around and there were plenty of web sites, but I also saw the other things you could do on the internet, such as FTP, email, usenet/newsgroups, and there were instant messengers I learned about too. For me it was easy to see that the web was just one part of the internet, but I suppose if the web was the only thing someone used, it may be easy to confuse the two terms.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Lestat9 on Wed Mar 13 23:31:00 2019
    Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Lestat9 to All on Wed Mar 13 2019 01:27 am

    Recently I think it was today or yeste5rday, it was the 30th anniversary of the internet.
    The inventor and it actually is one person, was asked to speak about what he thought about it.

    In summary, he said it was a disaster.



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dumas Walker on Fri Mar 15 01:59:00 2019
    On 03-13-19 19:15, Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

    The WWW was the first exposure that many had to the Internet. They did not realize it existed before the WWW. It is a common mistake. I probably would not have known had I not been at University at the time.
    It was called BITNET there. Seems like at some point our email
    addresses changed, and they began calling it the Internet on campus instead of BITNET.

    I believe BITNET was a specific network that was connected to the Internet. I'm not aware of what the distinction was. I joined the Internet in 1994. Back then, the web was in its infancy, and I spent a lot of time using Gopher to search for and retrieve information.

    I also had some knowledge of USENET around that time. There were some people I could only send email to using the "bang" addresses (lots of
    '!' characters instead of '@' and periods).

    I never had to use bang paths that I recall. By 1994, everyone seemed to already have domain names. Even my BBS (actually a point), which was on UUCP, had a domain name, and my ISP was my MX for incoming mail.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Thu Mar 14 10:41:00 2019
    Vk3jed wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    I joined the Internet in 1994. Back then, the web was in its infancy,
    and I spent lot of time using Gopher to search for and retrieve information.

    On a recent episode of the Hacker Public Radio podcast, someone gave his
    home page as a gopher URL.

    HARDCORE.


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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 14 15:17:46 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Thu Mar 14 2019 06:41 am

    On a recent episode of the Hacker Public Radio podcast, someone gave his home page as a gopher URL.


    I remember distinctly back around 1992 or 1993 going to Yahoo.com back when it was entirely edited by hand. Every change they made someone hand-edited it to add a new "site". I had a webpage I started in college for Tandy Computers and remember the day it got "added" to Yahoo. It was the equivalent of getting accepted into college all over again!

    I miss those days. The content was a lot better, there was no such thing as commercialism and everyone trying to sell you something, and the information was for the most part factual.

    Nowadays, most websites (Even the news websites which is highly dissapointing) are full of click-bait. Our one local news channel every damn day had a "news story" that somehow involved a click to Amazon. Once they got called out by this by local other businesses who were PAYING for advertising on their channel, they gave some flimsy excuse that it was real news. A lot of local advertisers left them and the fell from being #1 in the area to now I think #4.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dmxrob on Thu Mar 14 16:03:24 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Dmxrob to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 14 2019 11:17 am

    I remember distinctly back around 1992 or 1993 going to Yahoo.com back when it was entirely edited by hand. Every change they made someone hand-edited it to add a new "site". I had a webpage I started in college for Tandy Computers and remember the day it got "added" to Yahoo. It was the equivalent of getting accepted into college all over again!

    I miss those days. The content was a lot better, there was no such thing as commercialism and everyone trying to sell you something, and the information was for the most part factual.

    Nowadays, most websites (Even the news websites which is highly dissapointing) are full of click-bait. Our one local news channel every damn day had a "news story" that somehow involved a click to Amazon. Once

    Yeah, I started using the internet in late 1995, and web sites & things were still a lot simpler back then. Sites weren't filled with a bunch of ads & trackers & things, and they seemed more straightforward.

    Nightfox

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  • From Hustler@VERT/HAVENS to Dmxrob on Thu Mar 14 22:32:48 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Dmxrob to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 14 2019 11:17 am

    I remember distinctly back around 1992 or 1993 going to Yahoo.com back when it was entirely edited by hand. Every change they made someone hand-edited it to add a new "site". I had a webpage I started in college for Tandy Computers and remember the day it got "added" to Yahoo. It was

    I thought YAHOO was going to be the "BIG ONE". I was at the bank when the stock went public. The YAHOO search engine was also done manually and GOOGLE blew them out of the water. So did my stock. :-(

    HusTler

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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to Hustler on Thu Mar 14 22:10:43 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Hustler to Dmxrob on Thu Mar 14 2019 06:32 pm

    I thought YAHOO was going to be the "BIG ONE". I was at the bank when the stock went public. The YAHOO search engine was also done manually and GOOGLE blew them out of the water. So did my stock. :-(

    Ditto. Yahoo was the be-all of its time. Everyone had a @yahoo email address and their instant messenger was the death of ICQ. Then it all fell apart.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dmxrob on Thu Mar 14 21:10:49 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Dmxrob to Hustler on Thu Mar 14 2019 06:10 pm

    Ditto. Yahoo was the be-all of its time. Everyone had a @yahoo email address and their instant messenger was the death of ICQ. Then it all fell apart.

    I'm not sure Yahoo was quite that all-encompasing. I only had a Yahoo account so I could use some of their services (they had a Yahoo Games site a long time ago with online versoins of popular board games), and I had both a Hotmail and a Google email address at the same time which were my primary email addresses. And I don't think Yahoo's IM was really superior to ICQ. ICQ used to have features that would let you make a small user profile and browse other users' profiles and find a random chat partner, etc.. I never saw another IM program that had features like that. ICQ has since removed those features though, for some reason.

    I'm not sure why Yahoo dropped their instant messenger though, or even why Microsoft dropped their MSN Messenger client.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Hustler on Fri Mar 15 04:11:00 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Hustler to Dmxrob on Thu Mar 14 2019 06:32 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Dmxrob to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 14 2019 11:17 am

    I remember distinctly back around 1992 or 1993 going to Yahoo.com back when it was entirely edited by hand. Every change they made someone hand-edited it to add a new "site". I had a webpage I started in college for Tandy Computers and remember the day it got "added" to Yahoo. It was

    I thought YAHOO was going to be the "BIG ONE". I was at the bank when the stock went public. The YAHOO search engine was also done manually and GOOGLE blew them out of the water. So did my stock. :-(


    yep, yahoo was a day late and a dollar short a lot. bad leadership.
    i still use them for email for garbage.
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  • From The Dust Council@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Vk3jed on Fri Mar 15 04:06:40 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Vk3jed to Dumas Walker on Thu Mar 14 2019 09:59 pm

    I believe BITNET was a specific network that was connected to the Internet. I'm not aware of what the distinction was. I joined the Internet in 1994. Back then, the web was in its infancy, and I spent a lot of time using Gopher to search for and retrieve information.


    Whatever BITNET was, there is an archive of BITNET related things here:

    https://archive.org/details/bitnet_documents

    Just in case anyone is curious.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dmxrob on Fri Mar 15 10:07:53 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Dmxrob to Hustler on Thu Mar 14 2019 06:10 pm

    Ditto. Yahoo was the be-all of its time. Everyone had a @yahoo email address and their instant messenger was the death of ICQ. Then it all fell apart.

    I was just thinking about Yahoo! Messenger, and the my.yahoo.com page. I spent a lot of time getting the content just right; I wonder if it's still around?

    I deleted all of my Yahoo! accounts after the acquisition and breach. I guess you can't go back, sometimes.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Mar 15 15:23:04 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dmxrob on Fri Mar 15 2019 06:07 am

    I was just thinking about Yahoo! Messenger, and the my.yahoo.com page. I spent a lot of time getting the content just right; I wonder if it's still around?

    I deleted all of my Yahoo! accounts after the acquisition and breach. I guess you can't go back, sometimes.


    atleast the information about the breach was made public. almost every service has been breached. dropbox has been compromised several times and they won't own up to it fully.

    last summer yahoo msger was closed. it was fun to go into yahoo chatrooms SOMETIMES. i'm not sure people can communicate online on that level anymore. ---
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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to Nightfox on Sat Mar 16 03:40:44 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Nightfox to Dmxrob on Thu Mar 14 2019 05:10 pm

    to ICQ. ICQ used to have features that would let you make a small user profile and browse other users' profiles and find a random chat partner, since removed those features though, for some reason.

    Hey Nightfox I had to comment back about that feature. that feature on icq was how i was first introduced my girlfriend then to my wife now and we have been a couple for 15 years and married for almost 6 years now. I have never seen that feature anywere else as well. I started bbsing back in the 80s and i remember when Prodigy online service first came online and turned into a isp later on way before AOL. anways just had to chime in about some of my memories of
    simple times.

    Brokenmind

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 17 14:59:00 2019
    On 03-14-19 06:41, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On a recent episode of the Hacker Public Radio podcast, someone gave
    his home page as a gopher URL.

    Cool! :) I haven't used gopher in years, but have fond memories. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to The Dust Council on Sun Mar 17 15:04:00 2019
    On 03-15-19 00:06, The Dust Council wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Whatever BITNET was, there is an archive of BITNET related things here:

    https://archive.org/details/bitnet_documents

    Just in case anyone is curious.

    Cool! Might have to look one day. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Sun Mar 17 17:33:00 2019
    On 03-15-19 11:23, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    last summer yahoo msger was closed. it was fun to go into yahoo
    chatrooms SOMETIMES. i'm not sure people can communicate online on
    that level anymore. ---

    They screwed around with messenger. The last incarnation, which got rid of the one on one IM features and made it only a chatroom based system was the end of it for me. :( I used it as a means to keep in touch with friends, which was no longer possible.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Brokenmind on Sun Mar 17 17:36:00 2019
    On 03-15-19 23:40, Brokenmind wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Hey Nightfox I had to comment back about that feature. that feature on
    icq was how i was first introduced my girlfriend then to my wife now
    and we have been a couple for 15 years and married for almost 6 years
    now. I have never seen that feature anywere else as well. I started
    bbsing back in the 80s and i remember when Prodigy online service first came online and turned into a isp later on way before AOL. anways just
    had to chime in about some of my memories of simple times.

    I never liked the idea of random one on one chat. I always need to have some information about people before going that way, as in actual interaction with them. Chatrooms are good for breaking the ice that way.

    But seems you did well out of that feature. :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 17 01:40:07 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 17 2019 10:59 am

    Cool! :) I haven't used gopher in years, but have fond memories. :)

    Most Synchronet boards have the capability of doing Gopher, but browsers have taken support out. I have a plugin for Firefox that supports Gopher.

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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 17 02:49:00 2019
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    On a recent episode of the Hacker Public Radio podcast, someone gave
    his home page as a gopher URL.

    Cool! :) I haven't used gopher in years, but have fond memories.
    :)

    On a Linux box:

    lynx gopherpedia.com

    Enjoy! :)



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dan Clough on Mon Mar 18 00:56:00 2019
    On 03-16-19 22:49, Dan Clough wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On a Linux box:

    lynx gopherpedia.com

    Enjoy! :)

    That doesn't seem right. ;) Real gopher uses "gopher". :D


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 17 17:23:50 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Sun Mar 17 2019 01:36 pm

    I never liked the idea of random one on one chat. I always need to have some information about people before going that way, as in actual interaction with them. Chatrooms are good for breaking the ice that way.

    ICQ had small user profiles that you could look at. I actually met some interesting people from around the world that way and kept in touch with several of them for quite a while. After a while I wouldn't see some of them them online much anymore, and I've pretty much stopped using ICQ too.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Mar 18 12:24:00 2019
    On 03-17-19 13:23, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    ICQ had small user profiles that you could look at. I actually met
    some interesting people from around the world that way and kept in
    touch with several of them for quite a while. After a while I wouldn't see some of them them online much anymore, and I've pretty much stopped using ICQ too.

    I must have stopped using it before this part came about, either that or I did what I usually do when I get random requests that don't correspond to any other activity - delete them. :)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Mon Mar 18 00:47:27 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Internet
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Mar 17 2019 01:33 pm

    On 03-15-19 11:23, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    last summer yahoo msger was closed. it was fun to go into yahoo chatrooms SOMETIMES. i'm not sure people can communicate online on that level anymore. ---

    They screwed around with messenger. The last incarnation, which got rid of the one on one IM features and made it only a chatroom based system was the end of it for me. :( I used it as a means to keep in touch with friends, which was no longer possible.


    are you sure you got that reversed? i remember the chat rooms being shut down and i kept the yahoo msger going in my pidgin client
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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to VK3JED on Sun Mar 17 14:23:00 2019
    They screwed around with messenger. The last incarnation, which got rid of the
    one on one IM features and made it only a chatroom based system was the end of
    it for me. :( I used it as a means to keep in touch with friends, which was no
    longer possible.
    I miss those classic instant messenger apps. I also want to get rid of
    Facebook messenger and perhaps go back to blackberry messenger.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Mar 18 12:21:12 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to VK3JED on Sun Mar 17 2019 10:23 am

    I miss those classic instant messenger apps. I also want to get rid of Facebook messenger and perhaps go back to blackberry messenger.

    I'm not sure why Yahoo Messenger and MSN Messenger disappeared. I suppose I can kinda understand MSN Messenger, since Microsoft bought Skype and they probably want people to use Skype now.. But does nobody use instant messengers anymore? Those were one way I would keep in touch with people.

    Google has their "Hangouts" or whatever they call it, but it's weird - It seems to be integrated into Gmail or something, rather than being a stand-alone application.

    NIghtfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Mar 18 12:21:00 2019
    MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

    I miss those classic instant messenger apps. I also want to get rid of Facebook messenger and perhaps go back to blackberry messenger.

    It was a fragmented, but more vibrant scene back then. I used to run
    Trillian and later Pidgin, with Yahoo! Messenger, AIM, MSN, a couple
    of Jabber servers that friends ran, and Google Chat.

    Now it's all Facebook Messenger all the way, with all of the cruft
    that accompanies it.



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  • From Dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to Nightfox on Mon Mar 18 16:09:44 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Mar 18 2019 08:21 am

    probably want people to use Skype now.. But does nobody use instant messengers anymore? Those were one way I would keep in touch with people.

    I believe Instant Messaging was popular before the days of unlimited text. Nowadays, most people just SMS back and forth it would seem.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dmxrob on Mon Mar 18 15:42:27 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Dmxrob to Nightfox on Mon Mar 18 2019 12:09 pm

    probably want people to use Skype now.. But does nobody use instant
    messengers anymore? Those were one way I would keep in touch with
    people.

    I believe Instant Messaging was popular before the days of unlimited text. Nowadays, most people just SMS back and forth it would seem.

    I see instant messanging and SMS texting as different things. Things such as Yahoo Messenger, etc., I'd typically use on a PC, and I had a different contact list there than I do on my phone. I had some BBS contacts on my Yahoo Messenger, for instance.. And I don't think everyone I talk to needs to know my phone number or text me directly on my phone.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Mar 18 15:44:57 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to VK3JED on Sun Mar 17 2019 10:23 am

    I miss those classic instant messenger apps. I also want to get rid of Facebook messenger and perhaps go back to blackberry messenger.

    Facebook's smartphone app used to let you message people from the Facebook app, but it bugs me now that Facebook requires the use of a separate Facebook Messenger app to do that. I don't want to install their app just to be able to text my Facebook contacts. If I use Facebook on my phone, I most often use their web site, and if I want to contact someone or reply to a Facebook message, I have my phone browser request the desktop version so I can message them.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 18 15:46:27 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Mar 18 2019 08:21 am

    It was a fragmented, but more vibrant scene back then. I used to run Trillian and later Pidgin, with Yahoo! Messenger, AIM, MSN, a couple
    of Jabber servers that friends ran, and Google Chat.

    I found that combined messengers such as Trillian, Pidgin, etc. sometimes had trouble with the various IM protocols and would sometimes miss messages, and sometimes didn't support all the features that were in the separate official messengers.

    Now it's all Facebook Messenger all the way, with all of the cruft
    that accompanies it.

    Is there a Facebook Messenger application for PCs? I've only seen Facebook Messenger on smartphones.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Mon Mar 18 21:13:00 2019
    On 03-17-19 20:47, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    are you sure you got that reversed? i remember the chat rooms being
    shut down and i kept the yahoo msger going in my pidgin client

    I remember that 10 or more years ago, but I'm talking about more recently, within the last couple of years. This is the time Pidgin would have stopped working. I upgraded Yahoo Messenger thinking that OK, I'll have to use the official one, but what was there was crap - I could no longer see my contacts. I uninstalled it and never went to Yahoo Messenger again.


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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to NIGHTFOX on Mon Mar 18 15:24:00 2019
    On 3/18/2019 8:21 AM, NIGHTFOX wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON:



    I'm not sure why Yahoo Messenger and MSN Messenger disappeared. I suppose I can kinda understand MSN Messenger, since Microsoft bought Skype and they probably want people to use Skype now.. But does nobody use instant messengers
    anymore? Those were one way I would keep in touch with people.

    I thought Skype was a worse application to chat with compared to MSN Messenger.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MATTHEW MUNSON on Tue Mar 19 13:07:14 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon Mar 18 2019 11:24 am

    I thought Skype was a worse application to chat with compared to MSN

    Both seemed okay to me. And Skype actually seemed to have one of the best video chat features available.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Mar 20 02:54:49 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon Mar 18 2019 11:24 am

    On 3/18/2019 8:21 AM, NIGHTFOX wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON:



    I'm not sure why Yahoo Messenger and MSN Messenger disappeared. I suppose I can kinda understand MSN Messenger, since Microsoft bought Skype and they probably want people to use Skype now.. But does nobody use instant messengers
    anymore? Those were one way I would keep in touch with people.

    I thought Skype was a worse application to chat with compared to MSN Messenger.


    i paid for skype but i had a lot of issues with quality so i ditched it.
    i got into it because eli used it.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MATTHEW MUNSON on Tue Mar 19 23:49:00 2019
    I thought Skype was a worse application to chat with compared to MSN Messenger.


    Well, they have changed it some, at least the office version. MS
    replaced lync with skype after they bought it. The office version looks
    pretty much like lync used to.

    I cannot speak for any "home" skype versions. I liked the last one OK, but I have not used it since long before MS got hold of it.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Mar 20 16:43:00 2019
    On 03-17-19 10:23, MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to VK3JED <=-

    I miss those classic instant messenger apps. I also want to get rid of Facebook messenger and perhaps go back to blackberry messenger.

    They were great apps in their day. FB Messenger has pretty much taken over now. There's also other useful ones like Telegram, etc.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Mar 20 17:59:00 2019
    On 03-18-19 11:46, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Is there a Facebook Messenger application for PCs? I've only seen Facebook Messenger on smartphones.

    It's integrated into the FB website.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wed Mar 20 21:39:01 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Mar 20 2019 01:59 pm

    Is there a Facebook Messenger application for PCs? I've only seen
    Facebook Messenger on smartphones.

    It's integrated into the FB website.

    I know, but I was wondering about a stand-alone application. Someone said something like they ditched Yahoo Messenger in favor of Facebook Messenger, so I wasn't sure if they meant on their smartphone or on the desktop. And it seems weird that Facebook's messenging feature is integrated on their web site for desktops, but now for smartphones they force the use of their separate Facebook Messenger app. I don't want to install that, so if I want to message someone on Facebook from my smartphone, I have the browser request the desktop version of the site, and I can use the messaging feature in the browser that way.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wed Mar 20 21:42:03 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Mar 20 2019 12:43 pm

    I miss those classic instant messenger apps. I also want to get rid
    of Facebook messenger and perhaps go back to blackberry messenger.

    They were great apps in their day. FB Messenger has pretty much taken over now. There's also other useful ones like Telegram, etc.

    Facebook messenger is useful if you and your contacts use Facebook. Not everyone uses Facebook though.. And compared to other messengers, Facebook's messenger doesn't do as much. Yahoo Messenger could do video chat and allowed you to send files to/from your contacts, for instance, and I don't think Facebook Messenger does that.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Mar 21 00:27:37 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Wed Mar 20 2019 05:39 pm

    so I wasn't sure if they meant on their smartphone or on the desktop. And it seems weird that Facebook's messenging feature is integrated on their web site for desktops, but now for smartphones they force the use of their separate Facebook Messenger app. I don't want to install that, so if I want to message someone on Facebook from my smartphone, I have the browser


    they only somewhat force it. you can get a different facebook app made by a different develper and you can use facebook and the messenger without the huge fb msger app. i have several fb accounts and i use a different app with each one.

    the reason why fb wants you to use fb msger on your android phone is it wants to steal your fucking contacts. it also wants to listen to you talk and show you ads.

    i was telling my gf that the garage door was damaged by some vermin and an hour later, amazon ads on fb showing garage door stuff was showing all the time.
    i was like 'holy shit! they arent even trying to hide their spying now!'
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Mar 21 00:28:29 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Wed Mar 20 2019 05:42 pm

    chat and allowed you to send files to/from your contacts, for instance, and I don't think Facebook Messenger does that.


    yeah you can do all that with fb msger
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thu Mar 21 23:39:00 2019
    On 03-20-19 17:39, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I know, but I was wondering about a stand-alone application. Someone
    said something like they ditched Yahoo Messenger in favor of Facebook Messenger, so I wasn't sure if they meant on their smartphone or on the desktop. And it seems weird that Facebook's messenging feature is integrated on their web site for desktops, but now for smartphones they force the use of their separate Facebook Messenger app. I don't want
    to install that, so if I want to message someone on Facebook from my smartphone, I have the browser request the desktop version of the site, and I can use the messaging feature in the browser that way.

    Yeah, not sure why FB did things this way, but you can use Pidgin as a Messenger client, provided you give it a third party app login. I did it a while back as a test, though it's redundant here.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thu Mar 21 23:40:00 2019
    On 03-20-19 17:42, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Facebook messenger is useful if you and your contacts use Facebook.
    Not everyone uses Facebook though.. And compared to other messengers, Facebook's messenger doesn't do as much. Yahoo Messenger could do
    video chat and allowed you to send files to/from your contacts, for instance, and I don't think Facebook Messenger does that.

    Actually, it does both.


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  • From Hawkeye@VERT/MASHBBS to Nightfox on Thu Mar 21 18:15:45 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Wed Mar 20 2019 17:42:03

    Facebook's messenger doesn't do as much. Yahoo Messenger could do video chat and allowed you to send files to/from your contacts, for instance,

    Nightfox... that is the reason I use FB Messenger, videocalling to Apple iOS users as I dont have Facetime (Android user here). Sometimes I also use Whatsapp video calling but fb messenger works better for me. I can also use video calling on the web version, whatsapp doesnt do this.
    HAWKEYE

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hawkeye on Thu Mar 21 16:55:42 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Hawkeye to Nightfox on Thu Mar 21 2019 02:15 pm

    Facebook's messenger doesn't do as much. Yahoo Messenger could do
    video chat and allowed you to send files to/from your contacts, for
    instance,

    Nightfox... that is the reason I use FB Messenger, videocalling to Apple iOS users as I dont have Facetime (Android user here). Sometimes I also use Whatsapp video calling but fb messenger works better for me. I can also use video calling on the web version, whatsapp doesnt do this.

    Is Facebook Messenger compatible with Apple's FaceTime? A lot of iPhone owners I know use FaceTime, but as far as I know, there isn't a FaceTime-compatible app for non-Apple devices. Also, does Facebook Messenger allow you to talk to people who don't use Facebook? I thought Facebook Messenger was a Facebook-only thing.

    I also use Android, but for video calling, I usually use Skype, or more recently, Google Duo.

    I used to use WhatsApp to talk to some people outside the US, but I haven't used WhatsApp in a long time. As far as I know, almost nobody in the US uses WhatsApp and probably don't even know what it is.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Fri Mar 22 00:35:38 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Mar 21 2019 07:39 pm

    Yeah, not sure why FB did things this way, but you can use Pidgin as a Messenger client, provided you give it a third party app login. I did it a while back as a test, though it's redundant here.



    i thought they removed that functionality. though, the way fb is, they add stuff and remove it and add it back in.

    i was actually testing encrypted chat with a buddy of mine on fb using pidgin and fb detected it as such and said [encrypted] in their display of the conversation.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Sun Mar 24 11:46:00 2019
    On 03-21-19 20:35, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah, not sure why FB did things this way, but you can use Pidgin as a Messenger client, provided you give it a third party app login. I did it a while back as a test, though it's redundant here.

    i thought they removed that functionality. though, the way fb is, they add stuff and remove it and add it back in.

    Dunno, has been a while since I've tried using Pidgin.

    i was actually testing encrypted chat with a buddy of mine on fb using pidgin and fb detected it as such and said [encrypted] in their display
    of the conversation.

    Intereting. :)



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  • From Jojo@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sat Mar 23 07:47:16 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon Mar 18 2019 11:24 am

    On 3/18/2019 8:21 AM, NIGHTFOX wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON:



    I'm not sure why Yahoo Messenger and MSN Messenger disappeared. I suppose I
    can kinda understand MSN Messenger, since Microsoft bought Skype and they probably want people to use Skype now.. But does nobody use instant messengers
    anymore? Those were one way I would keep in touch with people.

    I thought Skype was a worse application to chat with compared to MSN Messenger.
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    I havent used an actual instant messenger in a long time. i used to use AIM when i was 12ish but after that i steered clear
    of all of em as none of them really caught my interest. i mostly met some of my friends on an obscure miniblogging site and
    a new thing called discord which i guess is an instant messenger of sorts. i also sometimes go on IRC to look around or get
    help with linux junk but yeah i dont know if anyone really uses instant messengers anymore. i sure dont.

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  • From Jojo@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Sat Mar 23 07:49:38 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MATTHEW MUNSON on Tue Mar 19 2019 09:07 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to NIGHTFOX on Mon Mar 18 2019 11:24 am

    I thought Skype was a worse application to chat with compared to MSN

    Both seemed okay to me. And Skype actually seemed to have one of the best video chat features available.

    Nightfox

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    i liked skype for a while but eventually moved due to my community all deciding to go to greener pastures, i dont hear much
    about skype nowadays. i cant tell if my friends are joking about this or not but isnt skype full of malware now?

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jojo on Sun Mar 24 16:03:42 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Jojo to Nightfox on Sat Mar 23 2019 03:49 am

    i liked skype for a while but eventually moved due to my community all deciding to go to greener pastures, i dont hear much
    about skype nowadays. i cant tell if my friends are joking about this or not but isnt skype full of malware now?

    no it's owned by MS and not full of malware but i believe they give the us govt free reign to monitor the traffic in their nodes.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Jojo on Sun Mar 24 12:10:00 2019
    Jojo wrote to Nightfox <=-

    i liked skype for a while but eventually moved due to my community all deciding to go to greener pastures, i dont hear much about skype
    nowadays.

    Millenials treat Skype like Facebook - it's for old people.




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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 24 21:46:14 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jojo on Sun Mar 24 2019 08:10 am

    Jojo wrote to Nightfox <=-

    i liked skype for a while but eventually moved due to my community all deciding to go to greener pastures, i dont hear much about skype nowadays.

    Millenials treat Skype like Facebook - it's for old people.




    so what are the millenial pukes using?
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Mon Mar 25 01:28:29 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 24 2019 05:46 pm

    Millenials treat Skype like Facebook - it's for old people.

    so what are the millenial pukes using?

    Discord.

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  • From Jojo@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MRO on Mon Mar 25 04:48:14 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 24 2019 05:46 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jojo on Sun Mar 24 2019 08:10 am

    Jojo wrote to Nightfox <=-

    i liked skype for a while but eventually moved due to my community a deciding to go to greener pastures, i dont hear much about skype nowadays.

    Millenials treat Skype like Facebook - it's for old people.




    so what are the millenial pukes using?
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    the new chat client people in my age group typically use now is Discord. im not sure what else there is though, something called Matrix has been catching on too but i dont quite know how widespread its gotten as i only know three people who've used it to try it out.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Jojo on Mon Mar 25 13:10:30 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Jojo to MRO on Mon Mar 25 2019 12:48 am

    the new chat client people in my age group typically use now is Discord. im not sure what else there is though, something called Matrix has been catching on too but i dont quite know how widespread its gotten as i only know three people who've used it to try it out.

    I'm on quite a few Discord servers, a couple of them are even BBS related, but they're quite dead.

    I think there are too many chat clients out there now days. Everyone uses something different. Slack, Hipchat, Discord, Telegram, Jabber, WhatsApp, Mastodon, Matrix, Rocketchat, Hangouts, Skype, GroupMe or IRC. And those are just the ones off the top of my head that I've come across.

    DaiTengu

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 25 14:17:22 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Sun Mar 24 2019 09:28 pm

    Millenials treat Skype like Facebook - it's for old people.

    so what are the millenial pukes using?

    Discord.

    I haven't even heard of Discord. But if it's anything like ICQ vs. MSN Messenger vs. Yahoo Messenger vs. Skype etc., I'm not sure if a different IM program would bring anything significantly new, or why the need to use a different one just because others are "for old people"..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Mon Mar 25 14:20:26 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: DaiTengu to Jojo on Mon Mar 25 2019 09:10 am

    I think there are too many chat clients out there now days. Everyone uses something different. Slack, Hipchat, Discord, Telegram, Jabber, WhatsApp, Mastodon, Matrix, Rocketchat, Hangouts, Skype, GroupMe or IRC. And those are just the ones off the top of my head that I've come across.

    I haven't heard of most of those, but I think trying to compare some of those is an apples and oranges situation. WhatsApp is only available for smartphones (as far as I know) and is intended as a smartphone text message app, whereas something like Skype is a chat app that is available for both smartphones and PCs. Also, Skype does video chat, but I'm not sure WhatsApp does video.

    Nightfox

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  • From Derision@VERT/AMIGAC to DaiTengu on Mon Mar 25 23:07:39 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: DaiTengu to Jojo on Mon Mar 25 2019 09:10:30

    I think there are too many chat clients out there now days. Everyone uses something different. Slack, Hipchat, Discord, Telegram, Jabber, WhatsApp, Mastodon, Matrix, Rocketchat, Hangouts, Skype, GroupMe or IRC. And those are just the ones off the top of my head that I've come across.

    The funny thing is that some of the main ones like AIM, Y!M, and MSN have gone defunct and there's still a plethora to select from.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Mon Mar 25 21:24:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I haven't even heard of Discord. But if it's anything like ICQ vs. MSN Messenger vs. Yahoo Messenger vs. Skype etc., I'm not sure if a
    different IM program would bring anything significantly new, or why the need to use a different one just because others are "for old people"..

    Discord has chat rooms as well as voice chat, and I think video - it's
    been a while since I've used it.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Mar 26 03:52:33 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Sun Mar 24 2019 09:28 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 24 2019 05:46 pm

    Millenials treat Skype like Facebook - it's for old people.

    so what are the millenial pukes using?


    Discord.


    i'm pretty sure it's snapchat and youtube.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jojo on Tue Mar 26 03:53:28 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Jojo to MRO on Mon Mar 25 2019 12:48 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 24 2019 05:46 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jojo on Sun Mar 24 2019 08:10 am

    Jojo wrote to Nightfox <=-

    i liked skype for a while but eventually moved due to my community a deciding to go to greener pastures, i dont hear much about skype nowadays.

    Millenials treat Skype like Facebook - it's for old people.




    so what are the millenial pukes using?
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    the new chat client people in my age group typically use now is Discord. im not sure what else there is though, something called Matrix has been catching on too but i dont quite know how widespread its gotten as i only know three people who've used it to try it out.



    well i didnt mean chat client. but i'm pretty sure it's mostly sms, youtube and snapchat for that age range
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Mar 26 03:54:02 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 25 2019 10:17 am

    so what are the millenial pukes using?

    Discord.

    I haven't even heard of Discord. But if it's anything like ICQ vs. MSN Messenger vs. Yahoo Messenger vs. Skype etc., I'm not sure if a different IM program would bring anything significantly new, or why the need to use a different one just because others are "for old people"..



    apparently i had an account. so i logged in and checked it out. pretty boring. ---
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  • From Hustler@VERT/HAVENS to DaiTengu on Tue Mar 26 13:13:24 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: DaiTengu to Jojo on Mon Mar 25 2019 09:10 am

    I think there are too many chat clients out there now days. Everyone uses something different. Slack, Hipchat, Discord, Telegram, Jabber, WhatsApp, Mastodon, Matrix, Rocketchat, Hangouts, Skype, GroupMe or IRC. And those are just the ones off the top of my head that I've come across.

    I'm sure if there was a BBS app that could be installed easily more people using them. Err...Maybe??

    Hustler

    ... After all is said and done, a hell of a lot more is said than done.

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  • From Hustler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Tue Mar 26 13:23:01 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 25 2019 10:17 am

    so what are the millenial pukes using?

    Discord.

    I haven't even heard of Discord. But if it's anything like ICQ vs. MSN Messenger vs. Yahoo Messenger vs. Skype etc., I'm not sure if a different IM program would bring anything significantly new, or why the need to use a different one just because others are "for old people"..

    Discord just links Gamers with other commication services.It's like having your own server with everthing you need without leaving it. I guess the "Millenials" couldn't handle all the different apps so Discord put everthing in one place. Personally I like the ability to chose what "apps" I use. I don't like being restricted to one space on a vast internet. It reminds me of the AOL days of old.
    That's just my opinion....I could be wrong.

    HusTler

    Hustler

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Mar 26 13:06:27 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Mar 25 2019 05:24 pm

    Discord has chat rooms as well as voice chat, and I think video - it's been a while since I've used it.

    If you want chat rooms, why not use IRC?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hustler on Tue Mar 26 13:07:53 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Hustler to Nightfox on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:23 am

    everthing in one place. Personally I like the ability to chose what "apps" I use. I don't like being restricted to one space on a vast internet. It reminds me of the AOL days of old.

    Yeah, I like being able to choose the apps I use.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Derision on Tue Mar 26 13:15:30 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Derision to DaiTengu on Mon Mar 25 2019 07:07 pm

    The funny thing is that some of the main ones like AIM, Y!M, and MSN have gone defunct and there's still a plethora to select from.

    I think MSN Messenger was retired in favor of Skype, since Microsoft bought Skype. But aside from perhaps Google Hangouts, I'm not sure what other alternatives there are.. And I'm not including cell phone messengers because I think comparing those to desktop IM software is comparing apples & oranges. I haven't seen many alternative instant messengers that are available for desktop PCs. Discord is one I've heard about recently but I've never used it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tue Mar 26 13:16:12 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 25 2019 11:52 pm

    so what are the millenial pukes using?

    Discord.

    i'm pretty sure it's snapchat and youtube.

    Eh, YouTube isn't a messenger app..?

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Hustler on Tue Mar 26 15:32:40 2019
    Re:
    By: to on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:13 am

    I'm sure if there was a BBS app that could be installed easily more people using them. Err...Maybe??

    Synchronet is pretty easy to install.

    DaiTengu

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Tue Mar 26 16:59:54 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:06 am

    If you want chat rooms, why not use IRC?

    I ask myself the same question - the voice chat part is nice, I can imagine teams playing online and using Discord to communicate.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to DaiTengu on Wed Mar 27 01:04:00 2019
    On 03-25-19 09:10, DaiTengu wrote to Jojo <=-

    I think there are too many chat clients out there now days. Everyone
    uses something different. Slack, Hipchat, Discord, Telegram, Jabber, WhatsApp, Mastodon, Matrix, Rocketchat, Hangouts, Skype, GroupMe or
    IRC. And those are just the ones off the top of my head that I've
    come across.

    You're not wrong, it's got to the point it's annoying.


    ... The trouble with facts is that there are so many of them.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Mar 27 01:06:00 2019
    On 03-25-19 10:17, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Discord.

    I haven't even heard of Discord. But if it's anything like ICQ vs. MSN Messenger vs. Yahoo Messenger vs. Skype etc., I'm not sure if a
    different IM program would bring anything significantly new, or why the need to use a different one just because others are "for old people"..

    Discord is a voice and text chat system designed originally for gamers to communicate.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Mar 26 22:20:18 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:16 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 25 2019 11:52 pm

    so what are the millenial pukes using?

    Discord.

    i'm pretty sure it's snapchat and youtube.

    Eh, YouTube isn't a messenger app..?



    no i was just talking about social media in general because he says they dont use fb anymore.
    i dont think fb was ever well known for its msger interface. it's more like an afterthought.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hustler on Tue Mar 26 13:18:04 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Hustler to DaiTengu on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:13 am

    I think there are too many chat clients out there now days. Everyone
    uses something different. Slack, Hipchat, Discord, Telegram, Jabber,
    WhatsApp, Mastodon, Matrix, Rocketchat, Hangouts, Skype, GroupMe or
    IRC. And those are just the ones off the top of my head that I've
    come across.

    I'm sure if there was a BBS app that could be installed easily more people using them. Err...Maybe??

    What do you mean by "BBS app"? A BBS telnet client? BBS software? Or something else?

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wed Mar 27 13:27:00 2019
    On 03-26-19 09:15, Nightfox wrote to Derision <=-

    I think MSN Messenger was retired in favor of Skype, since Microsoft bought Skype. But aside from perhaps Google Hangouts, I'm not sure what other alternatives there are.. And I'm not including cell phone messengers because I think comparing those to desktop IM software is comparing apples & oranges. I haven't seen many alternative instant messengers that are available for desktop PCs. Discord is one I've
    heard about recently but I've never used it.

    Telegram and Viber are two phone IM apps that also have desktop versions. Slack and Rocketchat, which are designed more as "collaboration" apps are also available on both desktop and mobile.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to DaiTengu on Wed Mar 27 13:27:00 2019
    On 03-26-19 11:32, DaiTengu wrote to Hustler <=-

    @VIA: VERT/ENSEMBLE
    Re:
    By: to on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:13 am

    I'm sure if there was a BBS app that could be installed easily more people using them. Err...Maybe??

    Synchronet is pretty easy to install.

    As is Mystic.


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  • From The Dust Council@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Wed Mar 27 01:24:06 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:06 am

    If you want chat rooms, why not use IRC?

    Discord is a lot like IRC (many-to-many chat) but supports image embedding by default.

    Also people do not start "channels" on Discord - they create a Discord server which may have multiple "channels" associated with it (considerably easier to do this than to run a secure IRC server). It also supports voice chat and avatars. The client is turnkey.

    I've warmed up to Discord but the primary problem with it is, I'm not sure what happens if the company goes under (if that company goes under, it is going to take a whole lot of online communities with it.)

    The client is not free (libre) software (Wikipedia calls it "proprietary freeware.") I wish the people I talked to on it would be more amenable to IRC, but Discord, for what it is, is pretty well implemented.

    It seems quicker to get up-and-running on Discord, but another issue is all of the software (bots, etc.) for IRC aren't usable on Discord.

    I understand this was initially used a lot by gamers but there are a whole lot of other communities on it. Also I've never tried to IRC from a mobile device; I don't know whether IRC works well at all that way (honestly haven't tried), but Discord was written to work well with less-than-constant connecxtions.

    I think it's pretty well-done as a piece of software, its limitations notwithstanding. I sort of scowled at it at first ("USE IRC, YOU MAGGOTS!") but have grown used to it.

    I'd still ditch it for IRC just so as not to be at the mercy of a private company.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Wed Mar 27 01:08:45 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to DaiTengu on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:04 pm

    You're not wrong, it's got to the point it's annoying.

    That's where Trillian came in handy - being able to roll several chat platforms into one client.

    Can we all just go back to IRC?

    ... Am I any closer to finding what I'm looking for?

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  • From Heliarc@VERT/HAVENS to daitengu on Wed Mar 27 03:19:00 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to DaiTengu on Wed Mar 27 2019 09:27 am

    On 03-26-19 11:32, DaiTengu wrote to Hustler <=-
    Synchronet is pretty easy to install.

    I'm sure if there was a BBS app that could be installed easily more
    people using them. Err...Maybe??

    I was refering to phone apps to connect to a BBS. Not BBS software. Somethingg like Syncterm for android and Iphone. I haven't see anything like that. Unless I missed it on google play.

    HusTler

    Heliarc

    ... Gossip is when you hear something you like about someone you don't.

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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Heliarc on Wed Mar 27 11:34:00 2019
    Heliarc wrote to daitengu <=-

    I'm sure if there was a BBS app that could be installed easily more
    people using them. Err...Maybe??

    I was refering to phone apps to connect to a BBS. Not BBS
    software. Somethingg like Syncterm for android and Iphone. I
    haven't see anything like that. Unless I missed it on google
    play.

    There are certainly "terminal" apps for phones that can connect to
    a BBS. I have used 'Termius' and 'TinyTermLite' on my iPhone with
    reasonable success, although it's not perfect.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 27 12:56:02 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:08 pm

    That's where Trillian came in handy - being able to roll several chat platforms into one client.

    I think Pidgin did that too, didn't it? And from what I remember, Pidgin was free but Trillian cost money, I think?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dan Clough on Wed Mar 27 12:58:02 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Dan Clough to Heliarc on Wed Mar 27 2019 07:34 am

    There are certainly "terminal" apps for phones that can connect to
    a BBS. I have used 'Termius' and 'TinyTermLite' on my iPhone with reasonable success, although it's not perfect.

    When I had an iPod Touch (a long time ago), there was an app I found called iSSH that (despite its name) supported telnet and also supported ANSI for BBSes. It was actually a pretty good BBS terminal program. But I think iSSH has since been pulled from the Apple App Store.

    Nightfox

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  • From Va7aqd@VERT/VA7AQDS to Heliarc on Wed Mar 27 14:39:31 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Heliarc to daitengu on Tue Mar 26 2019 11:19 pm

    I was refering to phone apps to connect to a BBS. Not BBS software. Somethingg like Syncterm for android and Iphone. I haven't see anything like that. Unless I missed it on google play.

    This may be more information than you were looking for, but Synchro's got a great wiki page on terminal
    software:

    http://wiki.synchro.net/resource:term

    There appears to only be one useable/good one for Android currently - "ANSI Terminal". I haven't tried it
    yet. There are other terminal programs but I don't recall seeing one that was purpose built like this one.

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  • From Derision@VERT/AMIGAC to Nightfox on Wed Mar 27 18:05:13 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 27 2019 08:56:02

    That's where Trillian came in handy - being able to roll several chat platforms into one client.

    I think Pidgin did that too, didn't it? And from what I remember, Pidgin was free but Trillian cost money, I think?

    I loved the Pidgin implementation on Mac, Adium... which I think it still being developed, despite most of the IM platforms it supported dying off. Still, it was never quite perfect... i.e., file transfers on AIM or ICQ never quite worked right, no webcam support in Y!M, MSN, or Skype. It was a valiant effort, though.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Derision on Wed Mar 27 19:01:37 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Derision to Nightfox on Wed Mar 27 2019 02:05 pm

    I loved the Pidgin implementation on Mac, Adium... which I think it still being developed, despite most of the IM platforms it supported dying off. Still, it was never quite perfect... i.e., file transfers on AIM or ICQ never quite worked right, no webcam support in Y!M, MSN, or Skype. It was a valiant effort, though.

    That's the thing I noticed about the all-in-one IM clients - They often seemed to have things that didn't quite work right, or features missing that the official messenger clients had.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Wed Mar 27 19:37:38 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 27 2019 08:56 am

    That's where Trillian came in handy - being able to roll several chat
    platforms into one client.

    I think Pidgin did that too, didn't it? And from what I remember, Pidgin was free but Trillian cost money, I think?

    There was a free version of Trillian first, then Pidgin came along. You are correct.

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  • From Hustler@VERT/HAVENS to Va7aqd on Thu Mar 28 02:52:38 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Va7aqd to Heliarc on Wed Mar 27 2019 10:39 am

    I was refering to phone apps to connect to a BBS. Not BBS software.
    Somethingg like Syncterm for android and Iphone. I haven't see
    anything like that. Unless I missed it on google play.

    a great wiki page on terminal software:

    There appears to only be one useable/good one for Android currently - "ANSI Terminal". I haven't tried it yet. There are other terminal programs but I don't recall seeing one that was purpose built like this one.

    Thanks I'll check it out. I'm not a programer but you would think someome would have up with an easy BBS caller that could be installed on google play.

    Hustler

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Dust Council on Thu Mar 28 02:52:26 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: The Dust Council to Nightfox on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:24 pm

    I'd still ditch it for IRC just so as not to be at the mercy of a private company.





    yeah but can you check the WEATHER on discord!
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 03:07:57 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Derision on Wed Mar 27 2019 03:01 pm

    That's the thing I noticed about the all-in-one IM clients - They often seemed to have things that didn't quite work right, or features missing that the official messenger clients had.



    well that's understandable considering that in some cases they had to reverse engineer the protocols, or some im msgers that used open protocols didnt quite adhere to standards, and in yahoos case they released incorrect or scant info. ---
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 28 03:14:38 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed Mar 27 2019 03:37 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 27 2019 08:56 am

    That's where Trillian came in handy - being able to roll several chat PF>> platforms into one client.

    I think Pidgin did that too, didn't it? And from what I remember, Pidgin was free but Trillian cost money, I think?

    There was a free version of Trillian first, then Pidgin came along. You are correct.


    trillian was crippleware, pidgin was first gaim.

    i can not find any of this on the wikipedia page or with a short search , but i know the gaim developer was wooed by a big company and he left gaim dev.
    also i remember a book in my public library where he was mentioned on the cover and he contributed but i dont see that anyplace.

    after he left, things were progressing but they had many periods of stagnation.

    he also coded a popular pbx system.
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  • From Jojo@VERT/ENSEMBLE to The Dust Council on Thu Mar 28 07:05:32 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: The Dust Council to Nightfox on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:24 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:06 am

    If you want chat rooms, why not use IRC?

    Discord is a lot like IRC (many-to-many chat) but supports image embedding b default.

    Also people do not start "channels" on Discord - they create a Discord serve which may have multiple "channels" associated with it (considerably easier t do this than to run a secure IRC server). It also supports voice chat and avatars. The client is turnkey.

    I've warmed up to Discord but the primary problem with it is, I'm not sure w happens if the company goes under (if that company goes under, it is going t take a whole lot of online communities with it.)

    The client is not free (libre) software (Wikipedia calls it "proprietary freeware.") I wish the people I talked to on it would be more amenable to I but Discord, for what it is, is pretty well implemented.

    It seems quicker to get up-and-running on Discord, but another issue is all the software (bots, etc.) for IRC aren't usable on Discord.

    I understand this was initially used a lot by gamers but there are a whole l of other communities on it. Also I've never tried to IRC from a mobile devi I don't know whether IRC works well at all that way (honestly haven't tried) but Discord was written to work well with less-than-constant connecxtions.

    I think it's pretty well-done as a piece of software, its limitations notwithstanding. I sort of scowled at it at first ("USE IRC, YOU MAGGOTS!") but have grown used to it.

    I'd still ditch it for IRC just so as not to be at the mercy of a private company.

    you liking irc but still using discord reminded me of something you might like or at the very least find interesting that i saw in a server.

    i was exploring on IRC one night and joined a discord server they had an invite to in their chat, i showed up and one of their bots was set up so that it'd mirror anything said in the IRC chat to discord and anything said in discord to their IRC chat.
    i havent seen that done in any other discord server and thought that was pretty cool.

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  • From Jojo@VERT/ENSEMBLE to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 28 07:07:13 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:08 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to DaiTengu on Tue Mar 26 2019 09:04 pm

    You're not wrong, it's got to the point it's annoying.

    That's where Trillian came in handy - being able to roll several chat platfo into one client.

    Can we all just go back to IRC?

    ... Am I any closer to finding what I'm looking for?

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    i havent tried out trillian but another client that works in a simillar way to trillian that i like using is Pidgin.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hustler on Thu Mar 28 13:39:59 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Hustler to Va7aqd on Wed Mar 27 2019 10:52 pm

    Thanks I'll check it out. I'm not a programer but you would think someome would have up with an easy BBS caller that could be installed on google play.

    There's probably not a whole lot of demand for that, which is probably the reason you don't see them on Google Play. There are a lot of peple using mobile devices these days who probably never even used a BBS back in the day. So, many people using mobile devices probably don't know what a BBS is.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thu Mar 28 13:40:24 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to The Dust Council on Wed Mar 27 2019 10:52 pm

    yeah but can you check the WEATHER on discord!

    So when you have nothing else to talk about, you can talk about the weather.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Thu Mar 28 13:42:36 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 27 2019 11:14 pm

    trillian was crippleware, pidgin was first gaim.

    i can not find any of this on the wikipedia page or with a short search ,

    Recently you were talking about how it's easy to post inaccurate articles on Wikipedia, and now you're searching Wikipedia for this?

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 10:05:00 2019
    Nightfox wrote to Derision <=-

    That's the thing I noticed about the all-in-one IM clients - They often seemed to have things that didn't quite work right, or features missing that the official messenger clients had.

    Third-party support was never something the providers wanted to
    support, since most of them sold ads on their apps.



    ... What do you think of the guests?
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  • From Heliarc@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 20:21:03 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Hustler to Va7aqd on Wed Mar 27 2019 10:52 pm

    Thanks I'll check it out. I'm not a programer but you would think someome would have up with an easy BBS caller that could be installed on google play.

    There's probably not a whole lot of demand for that, which is probably the reason you don't see them on Google Play. There are a lot of peple using mobile devices these days who probably never even used a BBS back in the day. So, many people using mobile devices probably don't know what a BBS is.

    Nightfox

    I'm sure there isn't a demand for it. I don't think anyone can predict what the "demand" is going to be for any service. Facebook started as a messaging platform for a college. It worked because it was easy to use. How do you get "New" users to login to your BBS? Do you tell them to just telnet to port 23 and give them the address to your board?

    HusTler

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Heliarc on Thu Mar 28 19:19:19 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Heliarc to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 04:21 pm

    Thanks I'll check it out. I'm not a programer but you would think
    someome would have up with an easy BBS caller that could be
    installed on google play.

    There's probably not a whole lot of demand for that, which is probably
    the reason you don't see them on Google Play. There are a lot of

    I'm sure there isn't a demand for it. I don't think anyone can predict what the "demand" is going to be for any service. Facebook started as a messaging platform for a college. It worked because it was easy to use. How do you get "New" users to login to your BBS? Do you tell them to just telnet to port 23 and give them the address to your board?

    Yeah, but BBSes aren't a new thing. BBSes have been around since long before smartphones, and if there were many people who wanted to telnet to BBSes from a smart phone, there would probably be such apps in the app store by now.

    I used to have an iPod Touch, and about 10 years ago I saw an iOS app called iSSH that had telnet support and also had fairly good ANSI BBS support. I've heard that iSSH has since been pulled from the Apple app store. So I know there was such an app at one point, which now seems to be gone and no longer maintained. I'm not sure there is a very good ANSI BBS telnet client for Android, but a few people have mentioned some apps that work, though perhaps not with the best ANSI rendering. So that's why I think there might not be enough demand for an ANSI BBS clinet for mobile devices. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing one though. In fact, now that I think about it, a while ago I saw an fTelnet Android app available as a beta app. It wasn't in the Google Play store, but you could download the .apk and install it on an Android device via a USB cable, and I thought it worked reasonably well. It's just not in the Google Play store.

    I think one of the problems is that a small device like a smartphone typically doesn't have a physical keyboard, and there isn't much room on the screen for both an 80x24 telnet window and a full keyboard that you typically need for BBSing. It can work, but it makes for a cumbersome interface. I still often prefer a laptop or desktop PC with a regular keyboard with physical keys, particularly for BBSing.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 21:15:41 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Hustler on Thu Mar 28 2019 09:39 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Hustler to Va7aqd on Wed Mar 27 2019 10:52 pm

    Thanks I'll check it out. I'm not a programer but you would think someome would have up with an easy BBS caller that could be installed on google play.

    There's probably not a whole lot of demand for that, which is probably the reason you don't see them on Google Play. There are a lot of peple using mobile devices these days who probably never even used a BBS back in the day. So, many people using mobile devices probably don't know what a BBS is.


    the bbsnexus app was nice but only worked with the list. i dont know if it even works now
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 21:16:14 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 28 2019 09:40 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to The Dust Council on Wed Mar 27 2019 10:52 pm

    yeah but can you check the WEATHER on discord!

    So when you have nothing else to talk about, you can talk about the weather.



    i'm old now. most of my conversations pertain to how my body hurts and the weather.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 21:17:33 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 28 2019 09:42 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 27 2019 11:14 pm

    trillian was crippleware, pidgin was first gaim.

    i can not find any of this on the wikipedia page or with a short search ,

    Recently you were talking about how it's easy to post inaccurate articles on Wikipedia, and now you're searching Wikipedia for this?

    well i searched a bunch of places. i dont consider wikipedia as credible as an encyclopedia but i use it for entertainment.

    in this case i was using my own memory and trying to back it up with current shit on the web.
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 28 21:18:12 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 06:05 am

    Nightfox wrote to Derision <=-

    That's the thing I noticed about the all-in-one IM clients - They often seemed to have things that didn't quite work right, or features missing that the official messenger clients had.

    Third-party support was never something the providers wanted to
    support, since most of them sold ads on their apps.



    i dunno. did yahoo msger have ads
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Heliarc on Thu Mar 28 21:19:21 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Heliarc to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 04:21 pm

    I'm sure there isn't a demand for it. I don't think anyone can predict what the "demand" is going to be for any service. Facebook started as a messaging platform for a college. It worked because it was easy to use. How do you get "New" users to login to your BBS? Do you tell them to just telnet

    in the beginning facebook was literally a face book.
    it was your photo and what school you went to. i'm not even sure if you could msg people.

    after a while they copied myspace which copied friendster.
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    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Heliarc on Thu Mar 28 19:25:33 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Heliarc to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 04:21 pm

    I'm sure there isn't a demand for it. I don't think anyone can predict what the "demand" is going to be for any service. Facebook started as a messaging platform for a college. It worked because it was easy to use. How do you get "New" users to login to your BBS? Do you tell them to just telnet to port 23 and give them the address to your board?

    Yes, pretty much. My BBS is advertised on a few BBS lists online. If people are looking for BBSes to log into, I think they generally know they'd need to telnet to the BBS. Some BBS lists also have a telnet:// link to the BBS.

    Nightfox

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    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 20:58:19 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 28 2019 09:40 am

    yeah but can you check the WEATHER on discord!

    So when you have nothing else to talk about, you can talk about the weather.

    I think he's talking about the weatherbot on the Synchronet IRC network.

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    ■ Synchronet ■ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 28 23:52:46 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 04:58 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 28 2019 09:40 am

    yeah but can you check the WEATHER on discord!

    So when you have nothing else to talk about, you can talk about the weather.

    I think he's talking about the weatherbot on the Synchronet IRC network.



    nope i'm talking about the weatherbot on bbses.info irc network.
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    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Fri Mar 29 00:20:09 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 05:16 pm

    i'm old now. most of my conversations pertain to how my body hurts and the weather.

    Getting older sucks.

    Nightfox

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    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Hustler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Fri Mar 29 03:08:39 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Heliarc on Thu Mar 28 2019 03:25 pm

    Yes, pretty much. My BBS is advertised on a few BBS lists online. If people are looking for BBSes to log into, I think they generally know they'd need to telnet to the BBS. Some BBS lists also have a telnet:// link to the BBS.


    So you think the BBS is limited to desktop PC's? I wonder how people even by PC's. The only people I know are the gamers. I don't think they would be intersted in the BBS. There's a guy on SDF that opened a course for his school that teaches the students OLD technolgies. Apparently there's an interest in this. SDF started out as BBS in 86 I believe. I guess BBSing is a History lesson now. ;-)

    HusTler

    Hustler

    ... Easter is cancelled this year. They've found the body.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Jojo on Fri Mar 29 13:11:00 2019
    On 03-28-19 03:05, Jojo wrote to The Dust Council <=-

    you liking irc but still using discord reminded me of something you
    might like or at the very least find interesting that i saw in a
    server.

    i was exploring on IRC one night and joined a discord server they had
    an invite to in their chat, i showed up and one of their bots was set
    up so that it'd mirror anything said in the IRC chat to discord and anything said in discord to their IRC chat.
    i havent seen that done in any other discord server and thought that
    was pretty cool.

    Now that is cool! I'd like to play with that bot. :)


    ... Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to Vk3jed on Fri Mar 29 11:06:36 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Jojo on Fri Mar 29 2019 09:11:00

    I had a bot set up doing that for #synchronet, but for some reason they kicked it out... :(
    Marisa
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Jojo on Fri Mar 29 14:36:24 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Jojo to The Dust Council on Thu Mar 28 2019 03:05 am

    i was exploring on IRC one night and joined a discord server they had an invite to in their chat, i showed up and one of their bots was set up so that it'd mirror anything said in the IRC chat to discord and anything said in discord to their IRC chat.
    i havent seen that done in any other discord server and thought that was pretty cool.

    I'm on a couple discord servers that have an IRC/Discord gateway bot. I prefer to be on the discord side of those conversations, as it's hard to follow usernames on IRC, as every message comes in from the bot.

    DaiTengu

    ... Several excuses are always less convincing than one.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hustler on Fri Mar 29 13:47:21 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Hustler to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 11:08 pm

    Yes, pretty much. My BBS is advertised on a few BBS lists online. If
    people are looking for BBSes to log into, I think they generally
    know they'd need to telnet to the BBS. Some BBS lists also have a
    telnet:// link to the BBS.

    So you think the BBS is limited to desktop PC's? I wonder how people even by PC's. The only people I know are the gamers. I don't think they would be intersted in the BBS.

    No, I don't think BBSes are limited to desktop PCs (and I'm not sure how the part of the message you quoted suggested that I do). I like PC games sometimes, though I don't play the games as often as I used to. I still prefer something with a real keyboard (whether that be a desktop PC, laptop, or tablet with a keyboard). I bought a tablet once years ago but I ended up selling it, as I didn't really like using the on-screen keyboard. I know there are keyboards for tablets you can buy, but at that point IMO you might as well have a (more powerful) laptop. I took a typing class when I was in 8th grade and have been touch-typing ever since, so I prefer a real keyboard for the tactile feedback. I don't think they teach typing in schools anymore, but I think it's a useful skill. I don't think you can type as fast on a virtual keyboard that doesn't have tactile feedback.

    I do enjoy building a desktop PC though. I like the ability to choose all your own parts and put it all together. And aside from gaming, there are other useful things you can do with a PC that can make use of a high-end processor and a powerful graphics card (or even multiple graphics cards). Nvidia and I think also ATI have programming libraries that let you use their graphics cards for general-purpose floating-point math in software, which can make computational tasks a lot faster. One thing I know of that can make use of that is BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing), which is a program that manages distributed computing projects you can join and have your computer perform work for things like medical research, SETI, etc., and a lot of those programs an make use of a GPU as well as the CPU for their computational tasks.

    Nightfox

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    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Marisag on Fri Mar 29 13:49:54 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Marisag to Vk3jed on Fri Mar 29 2019 07:06 am

    I had a bot set up doing that for #synchronet, but for some reason they kicked it out... :(

    It would help to quote the part of the message you're replying to. Without the quote, it's hard to know what the "that" is that you're talking about.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Marisag@VERT/AMIGAC to Nightfox on Fri Mar 29 15:22:03 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Marisag on Fri Mar 29 2019 09:49:54

    It would help to quote the part of the message you're replying to. Without the quote, it's hard to know what the "that" is that you're talking about.

    Ooops, you're right. I was talking about the irc<->Discord gateway discussion...

    Marisa
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    --- https://SynchronetBBS.org/OurServers - A list of all our websites
    --- https://gamenet.SynchronetBBS.org - GameNet BBS Network
    --- https://PocketGames.online - Handheld gaming emaulation players
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  • From The Dust Council@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Jojo on Sat Mar 30 06:37:04 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Jojo to The Dust Council on Thu Mar 28 2019 03:05 am

    i was exploring on IRC one night and joined a discord server they had an invite to in their chat, i showed up and one of their bots was set up so that it'd mirror anything said in the IRC chat to discord and anything said in discord to their IRC chat.

    I had heard this was being done but I hadn't seen anyone do it yet. Interesting.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ War Ensemble BBS - The sport is war, total war - warensemble.com
  • From BlaZ@VERT/PNLTYBOX to Dan Clough on Sat Mar 30 07:26:07 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Dan Clough to Heliarc on Wed Mar 27 2019 07:34 am

    There are certainly "terminal" apps for phones that can connect to
    a BBS. I have used 'Termius' and 'TinyTermLite' on my iPhone with reasonable success, although it's not perfect.


    For Android you can get a DOSBox app (like MagicDOSBox) and then use any old DOS terminal program. Qmodem Pro is a good option.

    BlaZ

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ The Penalty Box | Peoria, IL | http://pbox.no-ip.org
  • From BlaZ@VERT/PNLTYBOX to Nightfox on Sat Mar 30 07:31:58 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Heliarc on Thu Mar 28 2019 03:19 pm

    I used to have an iPod Touch, and about 10 years ago I saw an iOS app called iSSH that had telnet support and also had fairly good ANSI BBS support.
    I've heard that iSSH has since been pulled from the Apple app store. So I

    I think one of the problems is that a small device like a smartphone typically doesn't have a physical keyboard, and there isn't much room on the screen for both an 80x24 telnet window and a full keyboard that you typically need for BBSing. It can work, but it makes for a cumbersome

    iSSH was great. The keyboard was transparent enough that you could rotate to landscape mode and have the keyboard overlay the BBS output. Android doesn't have anything as good as that, but MagicDOSBox with Qmodem Pro works beautifully in portrait mode, and is... err.. usable in Landscape.

    BlaZ

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    ■ Synchronet ■ The Penalty Box | Peoria, IL | http://pbox.no-ip.org
  • From BlaZ@VERT/PNLTYBOX to MRO on Sat Mar 30 07:33:04 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 05:15 pm

    the bbsnexus app was nice but only worked with the list. i dont know if it even works now

    It was fine on a tablet, but the screen was too small on a phone.

    BlaZ

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ The Penalty Box | Peoria, IL | http://pbox.no-ip.org
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Mar 30 16:27:17 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 28 2019 08:20 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 05:16 pm

    i'm old now. most of my conversations pertain to how my body hurts and the weather.

    Getting older sucks.


    well i am drug free and only drink on occasion so my health is great.
    i've aged pretty well in comparison to the people i've grown up with.
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Hustler on Sat Mar 30 16:29:08 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Hustler to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 11:08 pm

    So you think the BBS is limited to desktop PC's? I wonder how people even by PC's. The only people I know are the gamers. I don't think they would be

    *buy *pcs

    you just buy a computer online or at the store like anything else

    i'm not a gamer and i got a decent computer for 800 a few years ago
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    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Marisag on Sat Mar 30 16:29:56 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Marisag to Vk3jed on Fri Mar 29 2019 07:06 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Jojo on Fri Mar 29 2019 09:11:00

    I had a bot set up doing that for #synchronet, but for some reason they kicked it out... :(
    Marisa


    because relay bots are fucking annoying and if you want to run a bot on an irc server you should get permission from the operator
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat Mar 30 16:31:15 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Marisag on Fri Mar 29 2019 09:49 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Marisag to Vk3jed on Fri Mar 29 2019 07:06 am

    I had a bot set up doing that for #synchronet, but for some reason they kicked it out... :(

    It would help to quote the part of the message you're replying to. Without the quote, it's hard to know what the "that" is that you're talking about.



    he was talking about a discord -> irc relay bot
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    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to BlaZ on Sat Mar 30 16:32:28 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: BlaZ to MRO on Sat Mar 30 2019 03:33 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Mar 28 2019 05:15 pm

    the bbsnexus app was nice but only worked with the list. i dont know if it even works now

    It was fine on a tablet, but the screen was too small on a phone.



    yep, but that's like every telnet app on a phone. i cant see myself quoting msgs and replying on a phone.
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    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sat Mar 30 15:33:14 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Mar 30 2019 12:27 pm

    Getting older sucks.

    well i am drug free and only drink on occasion so my health is great. i've aged pretty well in comparison to the people i've grown up with.

    Me too, I don't do drugs and rarely drink.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to BlaZ on Sat Mar 30 15:38:19 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: BlaZ to Dan Clough on Sat Mar 30 2019 03:26 am

    There are certainly "terminal" apps for phones that can connect to
    a BBS. I have used 'Termius' and 'TinyTermLite' on my iPhone with
    reasonable success, although it's not perfect.

    For Android you can get a DOSBox app (like MagicDOSBox) and then use any old DOS terminal program. Qmodem Pro is a good option.

    To get more BBS usership, it would be good if there was a mobile app that's easier to set up and use than that. I don't imagine many people would want to install a DOS box app to use a BBS terminal app.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hustler on Fri Mar 29 11:19:00 2019
    Hustler wrote to Nightfox <=-

    So you think the BBS is limited to desktop PC's? I wonder how people even by PC's.

    Most don't - the shift in ecommerce from desktop to mobile has become
    a landslide. In 2012, mobile was an afterthought. Now, it's mobile
    first in a lot of sectors.

    I run a Wordpress site, and there are mobile-friendly templates that,
    based on your browser's user-agent response, serves up a full template
    or a mobile-friendly template. Maybe ecweb could be made to do
    something like that?

    The only people I know are the gamers. I don't think they
    would be intersted in the BBS.

    My son is a gamer, and he was impressed by ANSIs when I showed him my
    BBS and others. Don't know if he's ready for long-form social
    networking, which is what I thought BBSes (and later LiveJournal) to
    be. There's too many venues where 140 characters is just about right.

    There's a guy on SDF that opened a
    course for his school that teaches the students OLD technolgies. Apparently there's an interest in this. SDF started out as BBS in 86 I believe. I guess BBSing is a History lesson now. ;-)

    SDF is a UNIX shell system, a history lesson unto itself. Maybe it's
    just an orientation you're thinking about?

    UNIX shell systems were fun back in the day - you'd get your own home
    directory for a web site, and some still retained a local flavor like
    BBSes had. I was on a system called Wetware Diversions back in the 80s
    and 90s that felt like a much bigger BBS, and kept much of the local
    flavor that later shell systems lost.


    ... What do you think of the guests?
    --- MultiMail/XT v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to MRO on Sun Mar 31 00:15:00 2019
    MRO wrote to Marisag <=-

    I had a bot set up doing that for #synchronet, but for some reason they kicked it out... :(
    Marisa

    because relay bots are fucking annoying and if you want to run a
    bot on an irc server you should get permission from the operator

    +1
    +10
    +100



    ... Daddy, what does "now formatting drive C:" mean?
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sun Mar 31 12:32:00 2019
    On 03-28-19 15:19, Nightfox wrote to Heliarc <=-

    I think one of the problems is that a small device like a smartphone typically doesn't have a physical keyboard, and there isn't much room
    on the screen for both an 80x24 telnet window and a full keyboard that
    you typically need for BBSing. It can work, but it makes for a
    cumbersome interface. I still often prefer a laptop or desktop PC with
    a regular keyboard with physical keys, particularly for BBSing.

    You could always try a Bluetooth keyboard. Might be the easiest way around that issue. I had the same problem with my phone - getting both keyboard and terminal window on the screen meant a lot of squinting with glasses on! :D


    ... It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. --- MultiMail/Win v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Sun Mar 31 12:33:00 2019
    On 03-28-19 17:16, MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

    i'm old now. most of my conversations pertain to how my body hurts and
    the weather.

    Hmm, sounds like the "ailment nets" you hear on ham radio, where all the oldies talk about their various ailments. :)


    ... Mathematician: A device for turning coffee into theorems!
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sun Mar 31 12:34:00 2019
    On 03-28-19 20:20, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    i'm old now. most of my conversations pertain to how my body hurts and the weather.

    Getting older sucks.

    It's not too bad, if you look after yourself. :)


    ... A steak pun is a rare medium well done.
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hustler on Sun Mar 31 12:37:00 2019
    On 03-28-19 23:08, Hustler wrote to Nightfox <=-

    So you think the BBS is limited to desktop PC's? I wonder how people even by PC's. The only people I know are the gamers. I don't think they would be intersted in the BBS. There's a guy on SDF that opened a
    course for his school that teaches the students OLD technolgies. Apparently there's an interest in this. SDF started out as BBS in 86 I believe. I guess BBSing is a History lesson now. ;-)

    There was a discussion somewhere a while back about making BBSs more touch screen friendly. That probably would take a bit of work. But for the mobile user, it would be cool to be able to select menu items by tapping on them in a terminal session, and for messaging, edit the message in a native editor on the phone, then upload the text to the BBS when you "save" the message.


    ... Deja Tue: A feeling that yesterday was Monday ...
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Marisag on Sun Mar 31 23:12:00 2019
    On 03-29-19 07:06, Marisag wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I had a bot set up doing that for #synchronet, but for some reason they kicked it out... :(

    Bummer. :(


    ... Why does pizza get to your house faster than the police?
    --- MultiMail/Win v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Apr 1 01:00:00 2019
    On 03-30-19 11:33, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    Me too, I don't do drugs and rarely drink.

    You sound like me in that regard, though I suspect when it comes to exercise there's a bigger difference between us. :)


    ... There are always alternatives. Spock, The Galileo Seven, stardate 2822.3. --- MultiMail/Win v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ Freeway BBS, Bendigo Australia. freeway.apana.org.au
  • From Hustler@VERT/HAVENS to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 31 13:23:10 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Hustler on Sun Mar 31 2019 08:37 am

    There was a discussion somewhere a while back about making BBSs more touch screen friendly. That probably would take a bit of work. But for the mobile user, it would be cool to be able to select menu items by tapping on them in a terminal session, and for messaging, edit the message in a native editor on the phone, then upload the text to the BBS when you

    If it were the 90's I'll be developers would be competing to come up with a smart phone BBS app.;-0

    Hustler

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Havens BBS havens.synchronetbbs.org Telnet port 23 or Web
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 31 13:32:18 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Mar 31 2019 08:33 am

    On 03-28-19 17:16, MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

    i'm old now. most of my conversations pertain to how my body hurts and the weather.

    Hmm, sounds like the "ailment nets" you hear on ham radio, where all the oldies talk about their various ailments. :)



    oh i'm friends with some of them on fb.
    one was in a car accident where the car basically was annialated and he survived somehow.
    https://i.imgur.com/U4hMl0H.jpg
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 31 11:32:00 2019
    Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Getting older sucks.

    It's not too bad, if you look after yourself. :)

    It kind of rocks when you see people make mistakes that you now know
    better than to make yourself. Live vicariously through other people's mis-steps, I always say. :)



    ... Do you ever see inconsistencies in your world?
    --- MultiMail/XT v0.51
    ■ Synchronet ■ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 31 21:05:27 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Mar 31 2019 08:32 am

    I think one of the problems is that a small device like a smartphone
    typically doesn't have a physical keyboard, and there isn't much
    room on the screen for both an 80x24 telnet window and a full
    keyboard that you typically need for BBSing. It can work, but it
    makes for a cumbersome interface. I still often prefer a laptop or
    desktop PC with a regular keyboard with physical keys, particularly
    for BBSing.

    You could always try a Bluetooth keyboard. Might be the easiest way around that issue. I had the same problem with my phone - getting both keyboard and terminal window on the screen meant a lot of squinting with glasses on! :D

    Yeah, I've used a bluetooth keyboard with a tablet before. But I'm not going to carry around a bluetooth keyboard for my phone. :)

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 31 21:12:58 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Mar 31 2019 09:00 pm

    Me too, I don't do drugs and rarely drink.

    You sound like me in that regard, though I suspect when it comes to exercise there's a bigger difference between us. :)

    You may be right. I've never really been one to exercise much. I may need to start doing that pretty soon here though, because my A1C level was fairly high last time I had it checked, so I'm close to being diabetic. I know one thing that would help would be to lose some weight.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 31 21:28:38 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hustler on Fri Mar 29 2019 07:19 am

    So you think the BBS is limited to desktop PC's? I wonder how people
    even by PC's.

    Most don't - the shift in ecommerce from desktop to mobile has become
    a landslide. In 2012, mobile was an afterthought. Now, it's mobile
    first in a lot of sectors.

    I heard somewhere recently that there has been a bit of an increase in desktop PC sales. But I suppose they aren't going to increase much.

    If most people are buying smartphones and tablets these days, I'm wondering how many people do certain tasks. There are tasks that I think are still easier to do on a computer with a real keyboard and big monitor - Programming, for instance. Even for some everyday tasks, like managing finances, I was used to doing that on my PC. Just within the last year or 2, I found a smartphone app for keeping track of finances that seems decent (AndroMoney). One thing I think might be important with that is being able to sync between the phone and a PC and be able to manage the same financial data on a PC. I'm not sure if there's a standard format that could be used by different financial management apps (such as AndroMoney and Microsoft Money on the PC or another financial app for iPhone). If I ever decide to switch to iPhone for whatever reason, I'd lose my AndroMoney historical data..

    I run a Wordpress site, and there are mobile-friendly templates that, based on your browser's user-agent response, serves up a full template
    or a mobile-friendly template. Maybe ecweb could be made to do
    something like that?

    I think ecweb already does. ecwebv4 looks good both on a PC and on a smartphone.

    My son is a gamer, and he was impressed by ANSIs when I showed him my
    BBS and others. Don't know if he's ready for long-form social
    networking, which is what I thought BBSes (and later LiveJournal) to
    be. There's too many venues where 140 characters is just about right.

    I never really got into Twitter. 140 characters seems too little for many of the posts I'd want to make. Not too long ago I heard they doubled it to 280, which may help a little.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 31 21:33:19 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 31 2019 07:32 am

    It kind of rocks when you see people make mistakes that you now know better than to make yourself. Live vicariously through other people's mis-steps, I always say. :)

    Schadenfreude? :)

    Nightfox

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  • From BlaZ@VERT/PNLTYBOX to Nightfox on Sun Mar 31 20:41:16 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to BlaZ on Sat Mar 30 2019 11:38 am

    For Android you can get a DOSBox app (like MagicDOSBox) and then use any old DOS terminal program. Qmodem Pro is a good option.

    To get more BBS usership, it would be good if there was a mobile app that's easier to set up and use than that. I don't imagine many people would want to install a DOS box app to use a BBS terminal app.


    It never bothered me, but I guess you always had to be a little geeky to get on BBSes. There was never a super user-friendly way of doing it. As for an easier mobile app, I think the various DOSBox apps just repackage somebody else's DOSBox releases, so I don't think it would be too hard to put something together that would work pretty well if anyone who knew anything about app development was interested.

    Porting SyncTERM to Android could also be an option I suppose, although I think I know deuce's thoughts on Android. The biggest issue seems to be the keyboard, since the normal phone keyboards are usually missing the arrows, CTRL, ALT, ESC, and other useful keys. MagicDOSBox allows the use of your standard Android keyboard or their own built-in one that has all the keys of a normal PC keyboard.

    BlaZ

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  • From BlaZ@VERT/PNLTYBOX to Hustler on Sun Mar 31 20:42:26 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Hustler to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 31 2019 09:23 am

    If it were the 90's I'll be developers would be competing to come up with a smart phone BBS app.;-0


    A few people have started working on them, but they always seem to abandon the work before it is complete.

    BlaZ

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Apr 1 01:39:37 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 31 2019 05:12 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Mar 31 2019 09:00 pm

    Me too, I don't do drugs and rarely drink.

    You sound like me in that regard, though I suspect when it comes to exercise there's a bigger difference between us. :)

    You may be right. I've never really been one to exercise much. I may need to start doing that pretty soon here though, because my A1C level was fairly high last time I had it checked, so I'm close to being diabetic. I know one thing that would help would be to lose some weight.

    Nightfox

    walk one hour a day(or more if you like) and 2 hours on saturday and sunday. if you cant do a full 2 hrs, go in the morning and go at evening.

    i hear this a lot so: no, walking around all day at work doesnt count or give you exercise.
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  • From Heliarc@VERT/HAVENS to BlaZ on Mon Apr 1 03:13:59 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: BlaZ to Hustler on Sun Mar 31 2019 04:42 pm

    If it were the 90's I'll be developers would be competing to come up
    with a smart phone BBS app.;-0


    A few people have started working on them, but they always seem to abandon the work before it is complete.

    Well I wish someone would write one. There's SO many useless Apps out there. And this idea that BBsing is Dead or Dying is a bunch of bull. Anyone see
    the Movie Field of Dreams? The guy says "If you build it, they will come".
    That's my 2 cents anywayz.

    Heliarc

    ... I don't have any solution, but I certainly admire the problem.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to BlaZ on Mon Apr 1 02:18:43 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: BlaZ to Nightfox on Sun Mar 31 2019 04:41 pm

    To get more BBS usership, it would be good if there was a mobile app
    that's easier to set up and use than that. I don't imagine many
    people would want to install a DOS box app to use a BBS terminal app.

    It never bothered me, but I guess you always had to be a little geeky to get on BBSes. There was never a super user-friendly way of doing it. As

    Back in the day, it was probably about as easy as it could be.. You had to set up your modem with your PC, then set up your communications program, make sure it had a good modem init command (a bit geeky, I guess), and edit the phonebook in the communication program with the BBSes you like to call, and remember your login credentials. But even with the multiple steps involved, I don't think it was rocket science. These days though, things like a small screen on a smartphone is a bit of an annoyance.

    Porting SyncTERM to Android could also be an option I suppose, although I think I know deuce's thoughts on Android. The biggest issue seems to be the keyboard, since the normal phone keyboards are usually missing the arrows, CTRL, ALT, ESC, and other useful keys. MagicDOSBox allows the use of your standard Android keyboard or their own built-in one that has all the keys of a normal PC keyboard.

    I tried a beta of fTelnet for Android that I think had all the required keys, from what I remember.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Mon Apr 1 02:19:47 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Mar 31 2019 09:39 pm

    i hear this a lot so: no, walking around all day at work doesnt count or give you exercise.

    My job doesn't even really require a lot of walking.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Hustler on Mon Apr 1 21:56:00 2019
    On 03-31-19 09:23, Hustler wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    If it were the 90's I'll be developers would be competing to come up
    with a smart phone BBS app.;-0

    Yeah, that would certainly happen. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Mon Apr 1 22:00:00 2019
    On 03-31-19 09:32, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    oh i'm friends with some of them on fb.
    one was in a car accident where the car basically was annialated and he survived somehow.

    That's understandable, but most are simply suffering from conditions brought about by years of inactivity. :)

    https://i.imgur.com/U4hMl0H.jpg

    Ouch! How did he get out of that?


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Apr 1 22:04:00 2019
    On 03-31-19 07:32, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It kind of rocks when you see people make mistakes that you now know better than to make yourself. Live vicariously through other people's mis-steps, I always say. :)

    Hehe yeah, that helps. :)

    ... Do you ever see inconsistencies in your world?

    Nope lol


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Apr 1 22:05:00 2019
    On 03-31-19 17:05, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah, I've used a bluetooth keyboard with a tablet before. But I'm not going to carry around a bluetooth keyboard for my phone. :)

    Haha yeah, I can see that being an issue. :D


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Apr 1 22:10:00 2019
    On 03-31-19 17:12, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    You sound like me in that regard, though I suspect when it comes to exercise there's a bigger difference between us. :)

    You may be right. I've never really been one to exercise much. I may need to start doing that pretty soon here though, because my A1C level
    was fairly high last time I had it checked, so I'm close to being diabetic. I know one thing that would help would be to lose some
    weight.

    Yeah, sounds like you need to start. Exercise can improve your insulin function, among a whole heap of other benefits. And for that level of improvement, you usually don't need to go too overboard - certainly nothing like me. :D I'm only a couple of steps removed from "elite athlete" when it comes to training these days. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Apr 1 22:51:00 2019
    On 03-31-19 22:18, Nightfox wrote to BlaZ <=-

    Back in the day, it was probably about as easy as it could be.. You
    had to set up your modem with your PC, then set up your communications program, make sure it had a good modem init command (a bit geeky, I guess), and edit the phonebook in the communication program with the
    BBSes you like to call, and remember your login credentials. But even with the multiple steps involved, I don't think it was rocket science. These days though, things like a small screen on a smartphone is a bit
    of an annoyance.

    Anything worth doing on a PC took a bit of knowledge back in the 90s. Today, the expectations are much higher, when it comes to user friendliness. Things need to be auto configuring as much as possible and should "just work". For us geeky types, that does take the fun out of it though. :)

    Porting SyncTERM to Android could also be an option I suppose, although I think I know deuce's thoughts on Android. The biggest issue seems to be the keyboard, since the normal phone keyboards are usually missing the arrows, CTRL, ALT, ESC, and other useful keys. MagicDOSBox allows the use of your standard Android keyboard or their own built-in one that has all the keys of a normal PC keyboard.

    I tried a beta of fTelnet for Android that I think had all the required keys, from what I remember.

    I like the PC keyboard that MagicDOSBox offers.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Mon Apr 1 22:56:00 2019
    On 03-31-19 22:19, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    @VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Mar 31 2019 09:39 pm

    i hear this a lot so: no, walking around all day at work doesnt count or give you exercise.

    My job doesn't even really require a lot of walking.

    Mine does, along with manual work. :)


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  • From Brokenmind@VERT/TIABBS to all on Mon Apr 1 12:43:06 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to BlaZ on Sat Mar 30 2019 11:38 am

    There are certainly "terminal" apps for phones that can connect to
    a BBS. I have used 'Termius' and 'TinyTermLite' on my iPhone with
    reasonable success, although it's not perfect.
    There are certainly "terminal" apps for phones that can connect to
    reasonable success, although it's not perfect.
    I have played around with ANSI Terminal Mobile app from the google play store and it's ok better then some other ones i have played with. Hopefully someday they will be able to find something more stable. it would be nice to be able to check email or local message remotely

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Vk3jed on Mon Apr 1 11:52:00 2019
    Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-

    On 03-31-19 22:18, Nightfox wrote to BlaZ <=-

    Anything worth doing on a PC took a bit of knowledge back in the 90s. Today, the expectations are much higher, when it comes to user friendliness. Things need to be auto configuring as much as possible
    and should "just work". For us geeky types, that does take the fun out
    of it though. :)

    I was a sysop with a high-speed modem, a serial mouse, and a serial
    laser printer back then. Getting the IRQs right on 3 comm ports and
    making sure I had the right serial port to support 14.4 kbps was hard.
    Once I got all of the IRQs figured out I had to write them on a
    notepad and tape them to the inside of the case.

    Then, I got a Lantastic ethernet kit and needed to make room for an
    ethernet card IRQ and port!



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Heliarc on Mon Apr 1 13:29:42 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Heliarc to BlaZ on Sun Mar 31 2019 11:13 pm

    If it were the 90's I'll be developers would be competing to come up
    with a smart phone BBS app.;-0

    A few people have started working on them, but they always seem to
    abandon the work before it is complete.

    Well I wish someone would write one. There's SO many useless Apps out

    Do you have any ideas on what would make a good BBS app, beyond just a telnet app?

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 2 10:37:00 2019
    On 04-01-19 07:52, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I was a sysop with a high-speed modem, a serial mouse, and a serial
    laser printer back then. Getting the IRQs right on 3 comm ports and
    making sure I had the right serial port to support 14.4 kbps was hard. Once I got all of the IRQs figured out I had to write them on a
    notepad and tape them to the inside of the case.

    Only hard part for me was paying for the stuff. :) But yes, it certainly required technical skills. Uver jumpered a serial card's IRQ settings with a knife and a soldering iron? I have. ;)

    Then, I got a Lantastic ethernet kit and needed to make room for an ethernet card IRQ and port!

    Haha yep. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue Apr 2 10:48:00 2019
    On 04-01-19 09:29, Nightfox wrote to Heliarc <=-

    Do you have any ideas on what would make a good BBS app, beyond just a telnet app?

    Incorporate a QWK/Bluewave reader, some of us still frequently travel outside of cell coverage. :)


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  • From Hustler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Mon Apr 1 20:32:11 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Heliarc on Mon Apr 01 2019 09:29 am

    If it were the 90's I'll be developers would be competing to come up
    with a smart phone BBS app.;-0
    Well I wish someone would write one. There's SO many useless Apps
    out
    Do you have any ideas on what would make a good BBS app, beyond just a telnet app?

    If I could program I wouldn't make a telnet app. It would need to a secure protocol. People make a fuss about security these days and I think telnet scares them off. Once they find out how insecure telnet is they head for the hills. The internet is filled with crazed hackers that use BBS's to suck your banking info, and your address so they can stalk you. Geez..Don't you watch
    TV? ;-)



    Hustler

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Hustler on Mon Apr 1 18:45:10 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Hustler to Nightfox on Mon Apr 01 2019 04:32 pm

    Do you have any ideas on what would make a good BBS app, beyond
    just a telnet app?

    If I could program I wouldn't make a telnet app. It would need to a secure protocol. People make a fuss about security these days and I think telnet scares them off. Once they find out how insecure telnet is they head for the hills. The internet is filled with crazed hackers that use BBS's to suck your banking info, and your address so they can stalk you. Geez..Don't you watch TV? ;-)

    :P
    Synchronet (and perhaps other BBS software) do support a more secure protocol, SSH. But even knowning the security benefits of SSH, it seems most BBS users still just use telnet (or RLogin). I'm not sure most people really care about the security of their BBS sessions.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Heliarc on Mon Apr 1 23:59:18 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Heliarc to BlaZ on Sun Mar 31 2019 11:13 pm

    Well I wish someone would write one. There's SO many useless Apps out there. And this idea that BBsing is Dead or Dying is a bunch of bull. Anyone see
    the Movie Field of Dreams? The guy says "If you build it, they will come".
    That's my 2 cents anywayz.


    people can use ftelnet on their phone and that'll be find.

    we already setup a stage for people to come to bbsing. they answered no. they want facebook, snapchat , and instagram. even these clowns with blogs and podcasts who pretend to be retro guys dont hang on bbses.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Apr 1 23:59:52 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Mar 31 2019 10:19 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Mar 31 2019 09:39 pm

    i hear this a lot so: no, walking around all day at work doesnt count or give you exercise.

    My job doesn't even really require a lot of walking.



    just clench your ass together all day and you will have a bubble butt
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 2 00:00:52 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon Apr 01 2019 06:00 pm

    On 03-31-19 09:32, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    oh i'm friends with some of them on fb.
    one was in a car accident where the car basically was annialated and he survived somehow.

    That's understandable, but most are simply suffering from conditions brought about by years of inactivity. :)

    https://i.imgur.com/U4hMl0H.jpg

    Ouch! How did he get out of that?

    some act of god. that's sean dennis' car.
    aka hausmaus of outpostbbs / micronet
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 2 00:01:57 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Apr 01 2019 06:56 pm


    My job doesn't even really require a lot of walking.

    Mine does, along with manual work. :)

    i walk a lot, lift 100lb boxes and objects, and just move around a lot 75% of the day. just makes me stronger, not less fat.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Tue Apr 2 00:28:36 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Apr 01 2019 07:59 pm

    My job doesn't even really require a lot of walking.

    just clench your ass together all day and you will have a bubble butt

    When I was in 5th grade, the teacher said one day that he saw a magazine ad or something a long time ago that said if you clench your hands together and press them together for some time, you could supposedly build strength that way.


    Nightfox

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  • From Dream Master@VERT/CIAD to Nightfox on Tue Apr 2 12:35:51 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Hustler on Mon Apr 01 2019 02:45 pm

    Synchronet (and perhaps other BBS software) do support a more secure protocol, SSH. But even knowning the security benefits of SSH, it seems most BBS users still just use telnet (or RLogin). I'm not sure most people really care about the security of their BBS sessions.

    Maybe I'm just weird, but I loathe any insecure protocol. Yes, we're still using technology from the 80s and early 90s, it doesn't mean we can't ensure the communication we make between source and target isn't secure. SSH, https, smtps, tls, etc., they are there for a reason.

    Dream Master

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dream Master on Tue Apr 2 13:24:26 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Dream Master to Nightfox on Tue Apr 02 2019 08:35 am

    Maybe I'm just weird, but I loathe any insecure protocol. Yes, we're still using technology from the 80s and early 90s, it doesn't mean we can't ensure the communication we make between source and target isn't secure. SSH, https, smtps, tls, etc., they are there for a reason.

    Yes, normally I'd opt to use a secure protocol too.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Apr 2 19:57:00 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Apr 01 2019 08:28 pm

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Apr 01 2019 07:59 pm

    My job doesn't even really require a lot of walking.

    just clench your ass together all day and you will have a bubble butt

    When I was in 5th grade, the teacher said one day that he saw a magazine ad or something a long time ago that said if you clench your hands together and press them together for some time, you could supposedly build strength that way.


    Nightfox


    that's called 'bracing' and that's where 'musclebound' came from.

    if you were at an old elementary school you might have seen weird metal bars in a u-shape sticking out of the ground. it wasnt for parking your bike there. people would press against them to gain muscle. you wouldnt be as flexable due to there not being a range of motion for your tendons and muscles.

    you can also keep your arms in shape by flexing them periodically.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dream Master on Tue Apr 2 19:58:07 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Dream Master to Nightfox on Tue Apr 02 2019 08:35 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to Hustler on Mon Apr 01 2019 02:45 pm

    Synchronet (and perhaps other BBS software) do support a more secure protocol, SSH. But even knowning the security benefits of SSH, it seems most BBS users still just use telnet (or RLogin). I'm not sure most people really care about the security of their BBS sessions.

    Maybe I'm just weird, but I loathe any insecure protocol. Yes, we're still using technology from the 80s and early 90s, it doesn't mean we can't ensure the communication we make between source and target isn't secure. SSH, https, smtps, tls, etc., they are there for a reason.

    exactly. they are there to give us a false sense of security because most websites have horrible internal security and are frequently compromised.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Wed Apr 3 17:52:00 2019
    On 04-01-19 20:00, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Ouch! How did he get out of that?

    some act of god. that's sean dennis' car.
    aka hausmaus of outpostbbs / micronet

    Yeah, he was lucky.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Wed Apr 3 17:53:00 2019
    On 04-01-19 20:01, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i walk a lot, lift 100lb boxes and objects, and just move around a lot
    75% of the day. just makes me stronger, not less fat.

    There's the other side of the equation - 80-90% of weight management is in what you eat (and how much). :)


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  • From Minex@VERT/TDOD to Vk3jed on Thu Apr 4 13:12:46 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Apr 03 2019 01:53 pm

    i walk a lot, lift 100lb boxes and objects, and just move around a lot 75% of the day. just makes me stronger, not less fat.

    There's the other side of the equation - 80-90% of weight management is in what you eat (and how much). :)

    This is definitely the truth. My weight fluctuates all over the place. Two months ago, I wanted to see what happens if I cut my portion size in half. I kept my same workout regimen. In two months, I went from 192 lbs to 170 lbs. You can actually pinpoint the day that I decided to do this.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Thu Apr 4 13:05:27 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Apr 03 2019 01:53 pm

    There's the other side of the equation - 80-90% of weight management is in what you eat (and how much). :)

    Yeah, there was a time when I was a bit depressed (or so I thought) and I just didn't have a big appetite and wasn't eating as much. Over several months, I dropped some weight just from eating less.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Minex on Fri Apr 5 01:22:53 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Minex to Vk3jed on Thu Apr 04 2019 09:12 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Wed Apr 03 2019 01:53 pm

    i walk a lot, lift 100lb boxes and objects, and just move around a lot 75% of the day. just makes me stronger, not less fat.

    There's the other side of the equation - 80-90% of weight management is in what you eat (and how much). :)

    This is definitely the truth. My weight fluctuates all over the place. Two months ago, I wanted to see what happens if I cut my portion size in half.
    I kept my same workout regimen. In two months, I went from 192 lbs to 170 lbs. You can actually pinpoint the day that I decided to do this.



    there's a lot of factors. i break even because i'm not taking in more calories than i burn, nor do i take in less than i require.

    you also have to get your body to a new setpoint or you will EASILY gain back wait you have lost.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Minex on Sun Apr 7 12:58:00 2019
    On 04-04-19 09:12, Minex wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    This is definitely the truth. My weight fluctuates all over the place.
    Two months ago, I wanted to see what happens if I cut my portion size
    in half. I kept my same workout regimen. In two months, I went from
    192 lbs to 170 lbs. You can actually pinpoint the day that I decided to
    do this.

    That just goes to prove the saying "You can't outrun your fork". :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Sun Apr 7 12:59:00 2019
    On 04-04-19 09:05, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah, there was a time when I was a bit depressed (or so I thought) and
    I just didn't have a big appetite and wasn't eating as much. Over
    several months, I dropped some weight just from eating less.

    There are people who have lost a significant amount of weight by simply eating healthier and being careful about portion control. Yes, that does work. But exercise is still important for overall health.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Mon Apr 8 12:58:55 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Minex on Sun Apr 07 2019 08:58 am

    That just goes to prove the saying "You can't outrun your fork". :)

    I haven't heard that one before. :)

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Tue Apr 9 12:15:00 2019
    On 04-08-19 08:58, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That just goes to prove the saying "You can't outrun your fork". :)

    I haven't heard that one before. :)

    Courtesy of Nerd Fitness, but it's very true. :) Simply means that what yu eat and drink are the biggest factors affecting your weight, far more so than exercise.


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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 9 01:11:28 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Apr 09 2019 08:15 am

    Courtesy of Nerd Fitness, but it's very true. :) Simply means that what yu eat and drink are the biggest factors affecting your weight, far more so than exercise.

    We gave up soda (except maybe one a month with a cocktail) 2 months ago and we are already noticing the difference. We were drinking diet soda left and right - and it was doing all sorts of weird stuff to us.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 9 03:19:32 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Minex on Sun Apr 07 2019 08:58 am

    On 04-04-19 09:12, Minex wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    This is definitely the truth. My weight fluctuates all over the place.
    Two months ago, I wanted to see what happens if I cut my portion size in half. I kept my same workout regimen. In two months, I went from 192 lbs to 170 lbs. You can actually pinpoint the day that I decided to do this.

    That just goes to prove the saying "You can't outrun your fork". :)



    i loaded up runkeeper. apparently when i lost all my weight years ago i walked close to 1000 miles in 3 months. no wonder my feet were like meatloaf.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 9 03:21:03 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Apr 07 2019 08:59 am

    On 04-04-19 09:05, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah, there was a time when I was a bit depressed (or so I thought) and I just didn't have a big appetite and wasn't eating as much. Over several months, I dropped some weight just from eating less.

    There are people who have lost a significant amount of weight by simply eating healthier and being careful about portion control. Yes, that does work. But exercise is still important for overall health.


    drinking enough water and fasting and eating during important times of the day play a large part.

    i'm not so sure i'm sold on the eating healthy thing. if it keeps you alive and you're not malnurished, go for it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to dmxrob on Tue Apr 9 03:22:47 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: dmxrob to Vk3jed on Mon Apr 08 2019 09:11 pm

    We gave up soda (except maybe one a month with a cocktail) 2 months ago and we are already noticing the difference. We were drinking diet soda left and right - and it was doing all sorts of weird stuff to us.


    i've been drinking pepsi max/ pepsi zero for years.
    when i touch stainless steel housings at work i leave fingerprints.... they dont wash off. it's like my sweat is acidic.
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  • From Va7aqd@VERT/VA7AQDS to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 9 03:29:13 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Apr 09 2019 08:15 am

    Courtesy of Nerd Fitness, but it's very true. :) Simply means that what yu eat and drink are the biggest factors affecting your weight, far more so than exercise.

    I think it's BS. I just stuck my fork in the carpet, gave it a "3, 2, 1, Go!" and totally
    outran it. Didn't look like it even tried.

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  • From Va7aqd@VERT/VA7AQDS to dmxrob on Tue Apr 9 03:30:38 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: dmxrob to Vk3jed on Mon Apr 08 2019 09:11 pm

    we are already noticing the difference. We were drinking diet soda left and right - and it was doing all sorts of weird stuff to us.

    Diet soda is evil, along with artificial sweetners. I'm not sure how anyone deems it 'ok' to
    put aspartame in to their system. ugh.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to dmxrob on Tue Apr 9 22:48:00 2019
    On 04-08-19 21:11, dmxrob wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    We gave up soda (except maybe one a month with a cocktail) 2 months ago and we are already noticing the difference. We were drinking diet soda left and right - and it was doing all sorts of weird stuff to us.

    That's a fantastic start. Soda is one of the big traps. I rarely drink the stuff (a couple of times/year). I may have a diet Coke once in a blue moon, but that's about it. :) I'm so used to not adding sugar that the sugar content of regular soda makes me feel ill.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Tue Apr 9 22:50:00 2019
    On 04-08-19 23:19, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    i loaded up runkeeper. apparently when i lost all my weight years ago
    i walked close to 1000 miles in 3 months. no wonder my feet were like

    That's a decent amount of walking - around 10 miles/day. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Tue Apr 9 22:54:00 2019
    On 04-08-19 23:21, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    drinking enough water and fasting and eating during important times of
    the day play a large part.

    Water, definitely good. And some swear by so-called "intermittent fasting"

    i'm not so sure i'm sold on the eating healthy thing. if it keeps you alive and you're not malnurished, go for it.

    Well healthy eating is simple, if it looks like it come out of the ground, off a tree or from an animal, it's likely healthy. If it looks like it came from a factory or a laboratory, then be very wary.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Va7aqd on Tue Apr 9 22:55:00 2019
    On 04-08-19 23:29, Va7aqd wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I think it's BS. I just stuck my fork in the carpet, gave it a "3, 2,
    1, Go!" and totally outran it. Didn't look like it even tried.

    ROFLMAO!!! That's not exactly what it means. ;P


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Wed Apr 10 01:02:24 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to MRO on Tue Apr 09 2019 06:54 pm


    Well healthy eating is simple, if it looks like it come out of the ground, off a tree or from an animal, it's likely healthy. If it looks like it came from a factory or a laboratory, then be very wary.


    the world would be in a state of starvation if we didnt each gmo foods.
    healthy eating is just hype. if it keeps you alive and it's not harming you, that's healthy.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wed Apr 10 13:11:33 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 09 2019 09:02 pm

    the world would be in a state of starvation if we didnt each gmo foods. healthy eating is just hype. if it keeps you alive and it's not harming you, that's healthy.

    Let's keep eaching those GMO foods then. ;)

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wed Apr 10 13:17:13 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 09 2019 09:02 pm

    healthy eating is just hype. if it keeps you alive and it's not harming you, that's healthy.

    The "not harming you" is probably the key phrase. They say processed foods are generally not as good for you as whole/fresh foods. You could stay alive
    for a while eating potato chips and peanut butter & jelly sandwiches and hot dogs, but foods like that aren't going to contribute to good health as much as more natural foods.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Apr 10 22:52:30 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Apr 10 2019 09:11 am

    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Tue Apr 09 2019 09:02 pm

    the world would be in a state of starvation if we didnt each gmo foods. healthy eating is just hype. if it keeps you alive and it's not harming you, that's healthy.

    Let's keep eaching those GMO foods then. ;)



    penn and teller bullshit has a good show on gmo foods and 'health foods'
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Apr 10 22:53:53 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Apr 10 2019 09:17 am

    The "not harming you" is probably the key phrase. They say processed foods are generally not as good for you as whole/fresh foods. You could stay alive
    for a while eating potato chips and peanut butter & jelly sandwiches and hot dogs, but foods like that aren't going to contribute to good health as much


    well peanut butter and jelly has the fat you need and protein and sugar and carbs to keep you going.

    i know some people who eat a bunch of fruit and think they're being healthy. that's just sugar.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wed Apr 10 23:39:53 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Apr 10 2019 06:53 pm

    well peanut butter and jelly has the fat you need and protein and sugar and carbs to keep you going.

    I heard one time that your body actually produces all the sugar it needs from carbs, so you actually don't really need to consume sugar.

    i know some people who eat a bunch of fruit and think they're being healthy. that's just sugar.

    I've heard there's a diffrence between natural sugar (in fruits, etc.) and processed sugar (as in the bags of sugar you buy at the store). I'm still a little unclear on what difference there is (if any) though..

    Nightfox

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to MRO on Wed Apr 10 15:10:00 2019
    i've been drinking pepsi max/ pepsi zero for years.
    when i touch stainless steel housings at work i leave fingerprints.... they dont wash off. it's like my sweat is acidic.
    I want to start drinking Stevia flavored soda.

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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@VERT/IUTOPIA to VA7AQD on Wed Apr 10 15:10:00 2019
    Diet soda is evil, along with artificial sweetners. I'm not sure how anyone deems it 'ok' to
    put aspartame in to their system. ugh.
    Yea most of those low calorie flavored mix packets are flavored by
    aspertane crap. <ugh>

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thu Apr 11 23:15:00 2019
    On 04-10-19 19:39, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    I've heard there's a diffrence between natural sugar (in fruits, etc.)
    and processed sugar (as in the bags of sugar you buy at the store).
    I'm still a little unclear on what difference there is (if any)
    though..

    I believe there is, but not 100% sure. However, the best guidelines I have suggest eat lots of vegetables, fruit and nuts in moderation. If you eat meat, have that in moderation too, and avoid processed foods. Processed foods often have added sugar, salt and who knows what, which aren't good for you.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri Apr 12 02:07:02 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Apr 10 2019 07:39 pm

    well peanut butter and jelly has the fat you need and protein and sugar and carbs to keep you going.

    I heard one time that your body actually produces all the sugar it needs from carbs, so you actually don't really need to consume sugar.

    that's probably true. you just get it quicker by eating some jelly jacked up with sugar. if you touch your tongue to pasta it will start to taste sweet. that's the first step to it becoming sugar.

    I've heard there's a diffrence between natural sugar (in fruits, etc.) and processed sugar (as in the bags of sugar you buy at the store). I'm still a little unclear on what difference there is (if any) though..

    i've heard a lot of things since i was a kid that has been disproven or just announced without proof. the healthfood craze and all those weird diets, and eggs are bad, now they are good type things.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to MATTHEW MUNSON on Fri Apr 12 02:16:30 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to MRO on Wed Apr 10 2019 11:10 am

    i've been drinking pepsi max/ pepsi zero for years.
    when i touch stainless steel housings at work i leave fingerprints.... they dont wash off. it's like my sweat is acidic.
    I want to start drinking Stevia flavored soda.


    i'm going to be gross here and bring this up too.

    i had a girlfriend who was diabetic and after we had sex, she would have vag problems. not yeast infections and mr wiggly wasnt dirty.

    i would joke and say i had acidic sperm.
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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sat Apr 13 13:03:23 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MATTHEW MUNSON to MRO on Wed Apr 10 2019 11:10 am

    I want to start drinking Stevia flavored soda.

    I tried a Cherry Cola one. it was awful. also a Citrus one. It wasn't bad, but still had that "Stevia taste" I didn't care much for.

    Not to mention it's expensive.

    DaiTengu

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to DaiTengu on Sat Apr 13 14:36:59 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: DaiTengu to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sat Apr 13 2019 09:03 am

    Not to mention it's expensive.

    True that.

    Switching from soda to tea and water not only has made me feel better, but also has cut down on "beverage expenses" quite a bit. I can make tea at home for less than 5-cents for an entire pitcher.

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to dmxrob on Sun Apr 14 04:29:36 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: dmxrob to DaiTengu on Sat Apr 13 2019 10:36 am

    Not to mention it's expensive.

    True that.

    Switching from soda to tea and water not only has made me feel better, but also has cut down on "beverage expenses" quite a bit. I can make tea at home for less than 5-cents for an entire pitcher.

    I go through at least a (10 cup) pot of coffee a day. sometimes more. I also drink a lot of water. When I get tired of plain water, I have a few bottles of "Mio" a flavoring for water, which I thoroughly enjoy. Especially the ones that contain caffeine :)

    DaiTengu

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  • From dmxrob@VERT/STLWEST to DaiTengu on Sun Apr 14 13:50:29 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: DaiTengu to dmxrob on Sun Apr 14 2019 12:29 am

    I go through at least a (10 cup) pot of coffee a day. sometimes more. I also drink a lot of water. When I get tired of plain water, I have a few bottles of "Mio" a flavoring for water, which I thoroughly enjoy. Especially the ones that contain caffeine :)

    I've tried Mio, and you are right, some of those are pretty good.

    When we are in Mexico, limes are used extensively for a variety of purposes - including drinks. So we have started using limes in our tea, water, etc. I enjoy it!

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to dmxrob on Sun Apr 14 18:13:24 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: dmxrob to DaiTengu on Sun Apr 14 2019 09:50 am

    When we are in Mexico, limes are used extensively for a variety of purposes - including drinks. So we have started using limes in our tea, water, etc. I enjoy it!

    When given the option at a restaraunt, I'll drink water with a lemon slice in it, but it's not something I really mess with otherwise.




    DaiTengu

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to dmxrob on Mon Apr 15 00:16:00 2019
    On 04-13-19 10:36, dmxrob wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    True that.

    Switching from soda to tea and water not only has made me feel better,
    but also has cut down on "beverage expenses" quite a bit. I can make
    tea at home for less than 5-cents for an entire pitcher.

    I very rarely drink soda. Mostly water with some tea and coffee. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Mon Apr 15 14:00:06 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: DaiTengu to dmxrob on Sun Apr 14 2019 12:29 am

    I go through at least a (10 cup) pot of coffee a day. sometimes more. I also drink a lot of water. When I get tired of plain water, I have a few bottles of "Mio" a flavoring for water, which I thoroughly enjoy. Especially the ones that contain caffeine :)

    That's a lot of coffee. :) I never really was a big coffee drinker, but I always enjoyed an iced coffee sometimes. I've been drinking more lately, but usually no more than 1-2 cups or so in the morning. I'm not sure I really notice an increase in "awakeness" or anything after drinking coffee - but there was one time when I wasn't really thinking and got an iced coffee after work one evening, and I was still awake until after 2:00AM..

    I like those water flavorings too. I should drink more water throughout the day, but sometimes I feel like it's a bit bland, and I also have to go to the bathroom more often, which is sometimes annoying when I have work to do.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vk3jed on Mon Apr 15 20:39:17 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Vk3jed to dmxrob on Sun Apr 14 2019 08:16 pm

    On 04-13-19 10:36, dmxrob wrote to DaiTengu <=-

    True that.

    Switching from soda to tea and water not only has made me feel better, but also has cut down on "beverage expenses" quite a bit. I can make tea at home for less than 5-cents for an entire pitcher.

    I very rarely drink soda. Mostly water with some tea and coffee. :)


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DMXROB on Tue Apr 16 00:15:00 2019
    When we are in Mexico, limes are used extensively for a variety of purposes - including drinks. So we have started using limes in our tea, water, etc. I enjoy it!

    If I drink beer, it is with Mexican food, and it is usually Tecate with a
    lime. :)

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to MRO on Tue Apr 30 07:39:47 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to The Dust Council on Wed Mar 27 2019 22:52:26

    yeah but can you check the WEATHER on discord!

    you sure can... oe of the discords i'm on is for a flight simulator... we can request METARs from all over the world and get them in raw format or deciphered into plain english... easy squeezy ;)


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Jojo on Tue Apr 30 07:42:19 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Jojo to The Dust Council on Thu Mar 28 2019 03:05:32

    i was exploring on IRC one night and joined a discord server they had an invite to in their chat, i showed up and one of their bots was set up so that it'd mirror anything said in the IRC chat to discord and anything said in discord to their IRC chat.
    i havent seen that done in any other discord server and thought that was pretty cool.

    that was just done in the last month or two with the synchro.net IRC and the SynchronetFans discord server... i think that's marissa's stuff...


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to MRO on Tue Apr 30 07:58:01 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: MRO to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 31 2019 09:32:18

    oh i'm friends with some of them on fb.
    one was in a car accident where the car basically was annialated and he survived somehow.
    https://i.imgur.com/U4hMl0H.jpg

    that's sean dennis' vehicle... he's lucky to be alive... sad that they still haven't found the guy that hit him and the other vehicle... i think someone said something about the one that hit them may have been stolen...


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Rampage on Tue Apr 30 22:15:15 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Rampage to MRO on Tue Apr 30 2019 03:58 am

    oh i'm friends with some of them on fb.
    one was in a car accident where the car basically was annialated and he survived somehow.
    https://i.imgur.com/U4hMl0H.jpg

    that's sean dennis' vehicle... he's lucky to be alive... sad that they still haven't found the guy that hit him and the other vehicle... i think someone said something about the one that hit them may have been stolen...


    yes, i'm friends with him on fb.

    i guess the guy hit one or two cars, when across the center lane and nailed sean.
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  • From Porosz@VERT/AMIGAC to Marisag on Thu Jun 6 12:17:58 2019
    Re: Re: Inventor of the Inter
    By: Marisag to Nightfox on Fri Mar 29 2019 11:22:03

    Ooops, you're right. I was talking about the irc<->Discord gateway


    You can say : I used to have a robot that worked at the chat lounge in the IRC, but someone complained and it got booted out.... or kicked out, like someone kicked started it, and it drove away.

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