https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49.99?
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49.99?
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49.99?
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10
for $49
Rule of thumb, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
The asking for this machine is way too low to be legit IMO.
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49
Rule of thumb, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
The asking for this machine is way too low to be legit IMO.
Re: Is this for real?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Thu May 02 2019 10:19 am
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49.99?
I don't know, but typing on that keyboard looks like it would be an exercise
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Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: StackFault to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 02 2019 10:19 pm
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10
for $49
Rule of thumb, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
The asking for this machine is way too low to be legit IMO.
Its specs aren't really very high-end though. 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, and the processor is a low-end dual-core processor.
Nightfox
StackFault wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49
Rule of thumb, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
The asking for this machine is way too low to be legit IMO.
Nightfox wrote to StackFault <=-
Its specs aren't really very high-end though. 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, and
the processor is a low-end dual-core processor.
I have a high-ish end laptop (i7, 8 GB RAM, SSD), but I work a lot out
of coffee shops and remotely. I'd like something lightweight with a
long battery life. I've been thinking about putting Ubuntu on a Chromebook, just enough horsepower to run a browser with a couple of windows open and a media player.
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10
for $49.99?
How is this possible? Is everything else cheaper now?
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A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49.99?
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49
I have a high-ish end laptop (i7, 8 GB RAM, SSD), but I work a lot out
of coffee shops and remotely. I'd like something lightweight with a
long battery life. I've been thinking about putting Ubuntu on a Chromebook, just enough horsepower to run a browser with a couple of windows open and a media player.
I saw this post yesterday 02MAY2019, but after reading some messages in the QWK Packet I got today 03MAY2019 about this Topic I started wondering if this was a APRIL FOOL JOKE?
Those little things ARE actually pretty cool, but they're basically oversized smartphones, with bad specs for a smartphone, that run Intel Atom Style processors so they can run Windows. Some of the newest ones are getting real close to be actual, usable little laptops, but for the price, I'd never buy them -- it's mid tier ultrabook money.
StackFault wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49
Rule of thumb, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
The asking for this machine is way too low to be legit IMO.
It was a Facebook ad, and people were complaining about not receiving
their units. Bummer, it's a nice idea. Throw Skype on it and a
bluetooth headset and you've got a nice little kit.
Re: Is this for real?
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 02 2019 01:03 pm
Re: Is this for real?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to All on Thu May 02 2019 10:19 am
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49.99?
I don't know, but typing on that keyboard looks like it would be an exercise
I have an Asus 704 EEE in my collection, and typing on tiny keyboard can be irritating
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri May 03 2019 06:25 am
I have a high-ish end laptop (i7, 8 GB RAM, SSD), but I work a lot out of coffee shops and remotely. I'd like something lightweight with a long battery life. I've been thinking about putting Ubuntu on a Chromebook, just enough horsepower to run a browser with a couple of windows open and a media player.
That might work fairly well. I haven't used a Chromebook, but I know someone who has one and seems to like it. Personally I probably wouldn't want to use Chrome OS - I think it runs everything from the cloud?
On 03 May 2019, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...
I have a high-ish end laptop (i7, 8 GB RAM, SSD), but I work a lot out of coffee shops and remotely. I'd like something lightweight with a
long battery life. I've been thinking about putting Ubuntu on a Chromebook, just enough horsepower to run a browser with a couple of windows open and a media player.
Chromebook's are great for that, I'm typing this on one running Ubuntu actually :).
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri May 03 2019 06:25 am
I have a high-ish end laptop (i7, 8 GB RAM, SSD), but I work a lot out of coffee shops and remotely. I'd like something lightweight with a long battery life. I've been thinking about putting Ubuntu on a Chromebook, just enough horsepower to run a browser with a couple of windows open and a media player.
That might work fairly well. I haven't used a Chromebook, but I know someon who has one and seems to like it. Personally I probably wouldn't want to us Chrome OS - I think it runs everything from the cloud?
Nightfox
Re: Is this for real?
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 fo $49.99?
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Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Ed Vance to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 03 2019 12:37 pm
I saw this post yesterday 02MAY2019, but after reading some messages in the QWK Packet I got today 03MAY2019 about this Topic I started wondering if this was a APRIL FOOL JOKE?
April Fool's jokes typically happen in April...
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Ed Vance to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 03 2019 12:37 pm
I saw this post yesterday 02MAY2019, but after reading some messages
in the QWK Packet I got today 03MAY2019 about this Topic I started
wondering if this was a APRIL FOOL JOKE?
April Fool's jokes typically happen in April...
Nightfox
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10 for $49.99?
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10
for $49.99?
Wow.... indeed..is this real? m3 8100, 256GB SSD, 8 GB RAM, 1920x1080 screen, win10 license... how?
I have a high-ish end laptop (i7, 8 GB RAM, SSD), but I work a lot outI have a laptop from 2011 that is gradually getting very outdated. Im
of coffee shops and remotely. I'd like something lightweight with a
long battery life. I've been thinking about putting Ubuntu on a
Chromebook, just enough horsepower to run a browser with a couple of
windows open and a media player.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
That might work fairly well. I haven't used a Chromebook, but I know someone who has one and seems to like it. Personally I probably
wouldn't want to use Chrome OS - I think it runs everything from the cloud?
Retro Guy wrote to Halcy0n <=-
I do the same. A Chromebook is inexpensive and makes a great handy
Ubuntu laptop that I use when visiting work sites. The battery life is very good as long as I remember to switch out of Ubuntu when done or it won't go to sleep.
MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
I have a laptop from 2011 that is gradually getting very outdated. Im pondering going to a tablet since laptops are more of a hastle.
Re: Is this for real?
By: Hawkeye to All on Sat May 04 2019 05:10 pm
https://www.llbeay.com/products/mini-pocket-laptop
A 7 inch laptop with 8 GB RAM, a solid state drive, and Windows 10
for $49.99?
Wow.... indeed..is this real? m3 8100, 256GB SSD, 8 GB RAM, 1920x1080 screen, win10 license... how?
It's fairly low-end hardware..
Nightfox
Wow.... indeed..is this real? m3 8100, 256GB SSD, 8 GB RAM,
1920x1080 screen, win10 license... how?
Wow.... indeed..is this real? m3 8100, 256GB SSD, 8 GB RAM,It's fairly low-end hardware..
1920x1080 screen, win10 license... how?
The Pinebook looks interesting - reminiscent of a chromebook, but
running an ARM processor.
Speaking of lower tier "paid for" technologies, I saw an RPi type board called
Atomic Pi selling for $35. It's an Intel Atom based single board with 2GB DDR3L. That should be enough to run Win10 and a couple of apps.
The Pinebook looks interesting - reminiscent of a chromebook, but
running an ARM processor.
Many Chromebooks run on ARM processors too. <shrug>
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 05 2019 01:38 pm
The Pinebook looks interesting - reminiscent of a chromebook, but
running an ARM processor.
Many Chromebooks run on ARM processors too. <shrug>
Yeah, that wasn't clear. It's an ARM processor ultrabook that runs Linux natively instead of Chrome OS.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-
I have a laptop from 2011 that is gradually getting very outdated. Im pondering going to a tablet since laptops are more of a hastle.
What kind of laptop? My T410 dates back to 2010 and it's my daily
driver. What helped was that it was maxxed out from day 1 with 8
GB of RAM and a core i7. Adding an SSD to it gave it a new breath
of life, and they're getting relatively inexpensive.
It runs Linux Mint and Windows 10 nicely now.
Wow.... indeed..is this real? m3 8100, 256GB SSD, 8 GB RAM,
1920x1080 screen, win10 license... how?
It's fairly low-end hardware..
Low CPU indeed but 8 GB RAM, 256GB SSD, a 1920x1080 and a Win10 license are together more than 50 bucks, even in mass production...
The Pinebook looks interesting - reminiscent of a chromebook, but
running an ARM processor.
Re: Is this for real?
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun May 05 2019 11:42 am
Speaking of lower tier "paid for" technologies, I saw an RPi type board called
Atomic Pi selling for $35. It's an Intel Atom based single board with 2 DDR3L. That should be enough to run Win10 and a couple of apps.
I booted Windows on my rPi3... once. It was a dreadfully slow experience.
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MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
I have a laptop from 2011 that is gradually getting very outdated. Im pondering going to a tablet since laptops are more of a hastle.
What kind of laptop? My T410 dates back to 2010 and it's my daily
driver. What helped was that it was maxxed out from day 1 with 8 GB of
RAM and a core i7. Adding an SSD to it gave it a new breath of life,
and they're getting relatively inexpensive.
Dan Clough wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
My everyday is a Lenovo T510, hard to remember how old it is but
around 2011 or so. Best laptop I've ever had and I love it.
Slackware and (rarely) Win7 for me.
Rumor has it that the Windows 10 upgrade will work on Windows 7 keys
until Windows 7 EOL.
Rumor has it that the Windows 10 upgrade will work on Windows 7 keys
until Windows 7 EOL.
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dan Clough on Mon May 06 2019 06:49 am
Rumor has it that the Windows 10 upgrade will work on Windows 7 keys until Windows 7 EOL.
rumor has it that I might just go full linux rather than goto windows 10 wait that's not a rumor, I like LXDE and ubuntu mate.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dan Clough <=-
My everyday is a Lenovo T510, hard to remember how old it is but
around 2011 or so. Best laptop I've ever had and I love it.
Preach. Best keyboard on a laptop, ever. I use my T410 and feel
like I'm working on a desktop wherever I am.
Slackware and (rarely) Win7 for me.
Rumor has it that the Windows 10 upgrade will work on Windows 7
keys until Windows 7 EOL.
--- MultiMail/XT v0.51
Samsung laptop i5-2430 8gb ram. I might buy a 512gb ssd and maybe it might work wonders.
Rumor has it that the Windows 10 upgrade will work on Windows 7 keys
until Windows 7 EOL.
rumor has it that I might just go full linux rather than goto windows 10 wait that's not a rumor, I like LXDE and ubuntu mate.
That's what I did. I switched to Lubuntu and think it's great. I'm no longer a prisoner of the Microsoft Corperation. There's no way I am paying rental fees for a computer I own.
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Denn to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 07 2019 10:30 pm
Rumor has it that the Windows 10 upgrade will work on Windows 7 keys
until Windows 7 EOL.
rumor has it that I might just go full linux rather than goto windows 10 wait that's not a rumor, I like LXDE and ubuntu mate.
That's what I did. I switched to Lubuntu and think it's great. I'm no longer a prisoner of the Microsoft Corperation. There's no way I am paying rental fees for a computer I own.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I remember the Windows 10 upgrade (from Windows 7, 8, and 8.1) being
free for a limited time a few years ago, and then Microsoft started charging for the Windows 10 upgrade. I imagine you could still indeed
buy a Windows 10 upgrade and upgrade from Windows 7.
Denn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
rumor has it that I might just go full linux rather than goto windows
10 wait that's not a rumor, I like LXDE and ubuntu mate.
Dan Clough wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I hardly ever use Windows any more, except for some work stuff on
another laptop running Win7. Some colleagues use Win10 and from
what I can tell it's a step backwards. I'll stay with the 7.
i'm not paying rental fees and i have several computers running win10
I got lucky, my employer was a big Microsoft customer and we got
invited to their campus in Mountain View during the Windows 8 rollout.
We were given passes into the employee store, and they had Windows 8.1 licenses for $20, a year of Office365 for $35, and similar discounts
on Xbox subscriptions and MS Schwag.
That's what I did. I switched to Lubuntu and think it's great. I'm no longer a prisoner of the Microsoft Corperation. There's no way I am paying rental fees for a computer I own.
That's what I did. I switched to Lubuntu and think it's great. I'm no
longer a prisoner of the Microsoft Corperation. There's no way I am
paying rental fees for a computer I own.
i'm not paying rental fees and i have several computers running win10
I feel about Windows 7 the way I felt about Windows 95 when Windows 98 came out - less clutter, and it just had what I needed on it.
Windows 7 just looks and feels cleaner.
My point is that support for windows 7 is ending and I hate window's 10
Linux and wine for linux has come a long way recently and I can run most of my windows programs in wine or there are alternatetive programs for linux that I use.
That's pretty cool. I know some companies have a discount program with Microsoft too.. The company I work for allows employees to buy Microsoft Office for $10 or something.
If I get some more contracting income, I'll buy Office365 and write off the $100/year for a family subscription. I just hate not owning software, though.
if you don't continue paying the yearly(?) fee, I suppose the
Office apps will start complaining that your license is no longer valid?
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: MRO to Hustler on Thu May 09 2019 12:49 am
i'm not paying rental fees and i have several computers running win10
My point is that support for windows 7 is ending and I hate window's 10
Linux and wine for linux has come a long way recently and I can run most of my windows programs in wine or there are alternatetive programs for linux that I use.
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: MRO to Hustler on Thu May 09 2019 12:49 am
That's what I did. I switched to Lubuntu and think it's great. I'm no
longer a prisoner of the Microsoft Corperation. There's no way I am
paying rental fees for a computer I own.
i'm not paying rental fees and i have several computers running win10
Not yet.. But there have been rumors/worries that Microsoft might go to a yearly fee model for customers to continue using Windows.
i use some start menu shell, the one that you can get with nnite.
windows 10 is very similar to win7. i really like windows 10.
i'm not paying rental fees and i have several computers running
win10
Not yet.. But there have been rumors/worries that Microsoft might go
to a yearly fee model for customers to continue using Windows.
there's been rumors about that for several years. i doubt they would do that.
no longer a prisoner of the Microsoft Corperation. There's no way I
am paying rental fees for a computer I own.
What are these rental fees you speak of?
With recent GUIs in the operating systems today, sometimes it's hard to even tell when a button is a button because it's just a plain rectangle.. I liked them better when they had more depth and color.
Microsoft will eventually have a "fee for service" on all there products. I consider that a rental fee.
if you don't continue paying the yearly(?) fee, I suppose the
Office apps will start complaining that your license is no longer
valid?
That's correct. Outlook used to be the killer app keeping me in Office, now it's OneNote - and OneNote is available as a standalone.
Not yet.. But there have been rumors/worries that Microsoft might go
to a yearly fee model for customers to continue using Windows.
there's been rumors about that for several years. i doubt they would do that. ---
Microsoft will eventually have a "fee for service" on all there products. I consider that a rental fee.
Microsoft wants to make a "One size fits all" OS that works with all devices. That's why Windows 10 is so "flat". I personally don't think the idea will work. I don't want my phone to look like my computer. Apparently people get confused with the variety of Operating systems out there. Maybe it's just another way to save money for the company?
i use some start menu shell, the one that you can get with nnite.
windows 10 is very similar to win7. i really like windows 10.
Microsoft will eventually have a "fee for service" on all there
products. I consider that a rental fee.
It's called Office365
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: MRO to Hustler on Thu May 09 2019 12:49 am
That's what I did. I switched to Lubuntu and think it's great. I'm no
longer a prisoner of the Microsoft Corperation. There's no way I am
paying rental fees for a computer I own.
i'm not paying rental fees and i have several computers running win10
Not yet.. But there have been rumors/worries that Microsoft might go to a yearly fee model for customers to continue using Windows.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dan Clough on Wed May 08 2019 06:39 am
I feel about Windows 7 the way I felt about Windows 95 when Windows 98 came out - less clutter, and it just had what I needed on it.
Windows 7 just looks and feels cleaner.
Yeah, I think the industry in general has gone to making things look flat an mono-tone. Microsoft, Apple, and Google have all made their operating syste (Windows, OS X, iOS, and Android) look this way. It's like they all got together and agreed on it. It's a little weird.. But I think the various operating systems looked better when they were making the GUIs look more 3D colorful. I liked Windows 7's Aero compared to the look of Windows 8-10, although often I disabled Aero so it would look more like classic Windows (which I also prefer to the look of Windows 8-10). The GUI of Mac OS X Tige (and to an extent, Leopard) also had more depth and color. From what I remember, iOS and Android also used to be more colorful and had more depth t their UI than they do in more recent versions. For Android, I think Google calls the newer UI "Material Design", which they introduced in Android 5?
With recent GUIs in the operating systems today, sometimes it's hard to even tell when a button is a button because it's just a plain rectangle.. I like them better when they had more depth and color.
Nightfox
A subscription fee, such as the way they do with Office 365? From a services point of view, I doubt the OS would go that way, however they could easily create a stripped down OS and charge you for all the productivity stuff through their web store. When I purchased Win 8, it didn't have media player software. I couldn't watch DVD's without either downloading their media player pack or finding something else such as VLC.
Yeah, I think the industry in general has gone to making things look
flat an mono-tone. Microsoft, Apple, and Google have all made their
After any period of time, any distinctive display layout is going to look dated.
I've considered switching to Linux, and I know Wine has come a long way. It just still seems like a little more of a hassle to get Windows software running in that environment. Also I like playing games on my PC sometimes, and I think most games still don't run very well in Wine.
Also, Steam and many of the games run really well on Ubuntu for those gamers, though some games aren't release for Linux -- ESP the AAA games.
there's been rumors about that for several years. i doubt they would do that.
actually that is thier plan for their business versions.
Microsoft wants to make a "One size fits all" OS that works with all devices. That's why Windows 10 is so "flat". I personally don't think the idea will work. I don't want my phone to look like my computer. Apparently people get confused with the variety of Operating systems out there. Maybe it's just another way to save money for the company?
Denn wrote to MRO <=-
actually that is thier plan for their business versions.
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 10 2019 10:57 am
Yeah, I think the industry in general has gone to making things look
flat an mono-tone. Microsoft, Apple, and Google have all made their
After any period of time, any distinctive display layout is going to lo dated.
Dated? This flat interface style hasn't even been around for a long time.. seemed to start around 2012 (with Windows 8 and versions of OS X, iOS, Andro etc. coming out around then) which I guess was already about 7 years ago now But I thought it looked weird even then when it was the new UI for those operating systems.
Nightfox
When Win95 came out, their desktop looked modern and timeless. Win2000 was "flat," and when XP came out, they spruced it up. When comparing XP to Win7 to 10, it looks dated. While it's hard to guess what the next GUI enhancements are going to look like, I'm sure users will be able to tell the difference between the new and "old" product.
there's been rumors about that for several years. i doubt they
would do that.
actually that is thier plan for their business versions.
that's probably a good idea for businesses.
my windows 10 os is not flat.
you sound like you saw windows 8 and that's what you are basing your opinion on.
my desktop computer's windows 10 os does not look like a tablet or cellphone ---
my windows 10 os is not flat.
you sound like you saw windows 8 and that's what you are basing your
opinion on.
Windows 10 still looks fairly flat. If you look at the GUI elements in Windows 10 like window borders, buttons, etc., it's all flat and has no depth like in previous versions of Windows. So when you say your Windows 10 is not flat, I'm honestly not sure what you're talking about, unless you're using something like WindowBlinds to skin the UI.
How does the Win2000 interface look flat? It looked basically the same as Win95/98. From Win95 to Windows 7, I think the GUI looks a lot better than Windows 8/8.1/10. And actually, to me, the flat look of Windows 8/8.1/10 looks dated, like something out of the late 70s/early 80s.
When Win95 came out, their desktop looked modern and timeless. Win2000 was "flat," and when XP came out, they spruced it up. When comparing XP to Win7 to 10, it looks dated. While it's hard to guess what the next GUI enhancements are going to look like, I'm sure users will be able to tell the difference between the new and "old" product.
Windows 10 still looks fairly flat. If you look at the GUI elements in Windows 10 like window borders, buttons, etc., it's all flat and has no depth like in previous versions of Windows. So when you say your Windows 10 is not flat, I'm honestly not sure what you're talking about, unless you're using something like WindowBlinds to skin the UI.
My Laptop has windows 8.1 and I hate the square box crap so I use classic start so at least it works more like windows 7.
when you are saying it IS flat, i dont know what you are talking about. should everything be rounded and 3d? i have no complaints about the UI appearance other than i hate the default start menu.
On 05-10-19 09:34, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
At home, I couldn't really care less about Outlook (I don't use it as
my personal email client), but my work uses Outlook. I do like
OneNote, though I've only been using OneNote at work for work-related notes. At home, the parts of Office I use most are Word and Excel.
On 05-11-19 17:45, MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
when you are saying it IS flat, i dont know what you are talking
about. should everything be rounded and 3d? i have no complaints about
the UI appearance other than i hate the default start menu.
It's "Flat" Windows 10 out of the box is "flat". There's no other way to put it. Windows 7 made my PC come alive. The only reason Windows 10 is not dying like windows 8 did is because they are abandoning the previous two. I say F*&CK Microsoft! Run Linux. Everthing you will ever need runs on linux and it's Free! It will always be Free!. Windows is 10 FLAT in more then one way. They love the Big companies and shit on the personal PC users. F*7ck
It's "Flat" Windows 10 out of the box is "flat". There's no other way to put it. Windows 7 made my PC come alive. The only reason Windows 10 is not
say F*&CK Microsoft! Run Linux. Everthing you will ever need runs on linux and it's Free! It will always be Free!. Windows is 10 FLAT in more then one way. They love the Big companies and shit on the personal PC users. F*7ck em!
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Denn to Nightfox on Sat May 11 2019 04:18 pm
My Laptop has windows 8.1 and I hate the square box crap so I use classic start so at least it works more like windows 7.
It's not just the Start menu though.. The other parts of the GUI in Windows 10, such as the window borders, buttons, etc. look flat too.
should everything be rounded and 3d? i have no complaints about the UI appearance other than i hate the default start menu.
You seem to be contradicting yourself.. You said earlier your Windows 10 doesn't look flat, but now "should everything be rounded and 3D?" You still haven't explained what you meant about your Windows 10 not looking flat.
Are you using a different Windows 10 than I am?
I think the earlier Windows GUIs with the depth did look better.
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Havens to Nightfox on Sat May 11 2019 04:07 pm
It's "Flat" Windows 10 out of the box is "flat". There's no other way to put it. Windows 7 made my PC come alive. The only reason Windows 10 is not dying like windows 8 did is because they are abandoning the previous two. I say F*&CK Microsoft! Run Linux. Everthing you will ever need runs on linux and it's Free! It will always be Free!. Windows is 10 FLAT in more then one way. They love the Big companies and shit on the personal PC users. F*7ck
Whoa there old timer. Microsoft is one of the biggest money contributors to Linux. Microsoft contributes a crap ton of code to open source community now days. The reason why Wine is getting so good is because Microsoft is sharing more information. You can like Linux. Nothing wrong with that.
But Microsoft is not the same dickheads they were under Balmer.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
At home, I couldn't really care less about Outlook (I don't use it as
my personal email client), but my work uses Outlook. I do like
OneNote, though I've only been using OneNote at work for work-related notes. At home, the parts of Office I use most are Word and Excel.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Perhaps, but it kinda sucks for the consumer. Imagine if companies did that for other types of products - What if you had to pay a yearly fee
to continue to use your car, or anything else? The product basically becomes leased/rented rather than owned. I prefer being able to buy something up-front and using it for as long as I want.
Whoa there old timer. Microsoft is one of the biggest money contributors to Linux. Microsoft contributes a crap ton of code to
open source community now days. The reason why Wine is getting so good is because Microsoft is sharing more information. You
can like Linux. Nothing wrong with that. But Microsoft is not the same dickheads they were under Balmer.
microsoft is the least asshole out of all of them. microsoft wants your money.
google, facebook, twitter, linkedin, etc want all your information and they want to own YOU.
Hmmm... M$ being dickheads goes back much further than Ballmer. Yes, you're right though in that M$ is contributing, but there are
those who are very leery about what they're doing, as one really doesn't *want* M$ being the biggest money contributer (read:
money.
google, facebook, twitter, linkedin, etc want all your information and they want to own YOU.
That's amusing how Stockholm syndrome works.
Microsoft has been brutal to everyone along the way, they spy on you now, and you believe they're 'less' on the bad scale. I
dunno, I think they're all in need of shake-ups, more stringent laws (laws that need to catch up with issues that never were a
thing in the past), etc.
Whoa there old timer. Microsoft is one of the biggest money contributors to Linux. Microsoft contributes a crap ton of code to open source community now days. The reason why Wine is getting so good is because Microsoft is sharing more information. You can like Linux. Nothing wrong with that. But Microsoft is not the same dickheads they were under Balmer.
On 05-12-19 09:17, MRO wrote to Havens <=-
i never got shit on by microsoft.
i run linux and windows 10 and windows 7. linux is best for a server. pretty much every linux gui i've seen is just a poor copy of windows.
i still prefer windows for my regular home os.
On 05-12-19 09:37, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
If your car were continually upgraded during the course of the life of
the car, it would be a little closer to the analogy.
Elon Musk has made some comments about not back-porting some of the improvements to older models, saying you should lease and get a new
car every couple of years to keep up. Getting over car ownership in America will take a while for a lot of people, myself included.
dont know about you, but microsoft never fucked me up the butt.
i really dont see microsoft as the bad guy; they made money when others didnt. they also stimulated growth when other hardware
and software manufacturers wanted to remain stagnant.
I think the earlier Windows GUIs with the depth did look better.
i dont get your complaints. i didnt see any 'depth' with any previous os.
windows doesnt look flat to me.
and i dont see how 'flat' would be complaint.
are you talking about the window borders? i dont mind that.
Elon Musk has made some comments about not back-porting some of the improvements to older models, saying you should lease and get a new
car every couple of years to keep up. Getting over car ownership in America will take a while for a lot of people, myself included.
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: MRO to Va7aqd on Sun May 12 2019 02:17 pm
dont know about you, but microsoft never fucked me up the butt.
If you ever bought a PC that had Windows pre-installed, you were getting exactly that. You may have been happy to have that, but
let's not beat around the issue, that's exactly what you got.
You haven't seen their source code, have you?
didnt. they also stimulated growth when other hardware
and software manufacturers wanted to remain stagnant.
They were part of the largest antitrust case in history for a reason.
On 05-12-19 20:32, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I think the buttons looked like they had a little more depth than
Windows 10's buttons. Also things like the window borders did too, at least with the default theme.
I think the buttons looked like they had a little more depth than
Windows 10's buttons. Also things like the window borders did too,
at least with the default theme.
Yeah, you seem to be particularly picky about this, and I've been scratching my head over this one.
I think the buttons looked like they had a little more depth than
Windows 10's buttons. Also things like the window borders did too,
at least with the default theme.
Yeah, you seem to be particularly picky about this, and I've been scratching my head over this one.
Whoa there old timer. Microsoft is one of the biggest money contributors to Linux. Microsoft contributes a crap ton of code to open source community now days. The reason why Wine is getting so good is because Microsoft is sharing more information. You can like Linux. Nothing wrong with that. But Microsoft is not the same dickheads they were under Balmer.
was microsoft really being dickheads or were they just running their business like a business when the other guys were idiots that couldn't keep up?
getting their os installed on computers being sold was a great idea that most of the other guys didn't think of.
i really dont see microsoft as the bad guy; they made money when others didnt. they also stimulated growth when other hardware and software manufacturers wanted to remain stagnant.
facebook seriously spies on people. they listen via your mic and show you ads about what it hears.
Microsofts intrest in Linux is purely self serving.
Microsoft hates wine they certainly have'nt contributed to the wine project. also I could've sworn I read an article concerning Microsofts abuse of the Linux GNU awhile back.
They were part of the largest antitrust case in history for a reason.
You haven't seen their source code, have you?
source code for what
explain.dont know about you, but microsoft never fucked me up the butt.If you ever bought a PC that had Windows pre-installed, you were getting exactly that. You may have been happy to have that,
but
let's not beat around the issue, that's exactly what you got.
You haven't seen their source code, have you?source code for what
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Va7aqd to MRO on Sun May 12 2019 05:57 pm
I thought it was a little odd when they basically dropped the anti-trust
case and didn't split up Microsoft like some were proposing. I don't remember if the anti-trust case was totally dropped or if they did take some actions against Microsoft?
I thought it was a little odd when they basically dropped the anti-trust case and didn't split up Microsoft like some were proposing. I don't remember if the anti-trust case was totally dropped or if
they did take some actions against Microsoft?
You haven't seen their source code, have you?
source code for what
I'm guessing he means Windows? Or any of Microsoft's software?
Nightfox
I thought it was a little odd when they basically dropped the
anti-trust case and didn't split up Microsoft like some were
I thought the antitrust lawsuit was because of the integration of Thier web browser into Windows and the blocking of competitive browsers. Microsoft squelching competition.
Maybe I'm wrong or maybe that's only part of it?
I thought it was a little odd when they basically dropped the
anti-trust case and didn't split up Microsoft like some were
proposing. I don't remember if the anti-trust case was totally
dropped or if they did take some actions against Microsoft?
I thought the antitrust lawsuit was because of the integration of Thier web browser into Windows and the blocking of competitive browsers. Microsoft squelching competition.
Maybe I'm wrong or maybe that's only part of it?
Yeah it was totally watered down, part of it was from the original judge acting apparently immorally? Yeesh. The anti-trust case was set up stupidly in the first place, though. It should have been about tying the OS to OEM PCs. Fun to revisit, but is rather annoying to think back on.
source code for what
I'm guessing he means Windows? Or any of Microsoft's software?
Isn't the source code in the library of congress locked up in a safe behind 3 Pitbulls? ;-)
I thought the antitrust lawsuit was because of the integration of
Thier web browser into Windows and the blocking of competitive
browsers. Microsoft squelching competition.
Maybe I'm wrong or maybe that's only part of it?
Yea and they won. Last time I checked Windows still comes with a built in browser. It's called "Edge".
MRO wrote to Va7aqd <=-
was microsoft really being dickheads or were they just running their business like a business when the other guys were idiots that couldn't keep up?
getting their os installed on computers being sold was a great idea
that most of the other guys didn't think of.
i really dont see microsoft as the bad guy; they made money when others didnt. they also stimulated growth when other hardware and software manufacturers wanted to remain stagnant.
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: MRO to Va7aqd on Sun May 12 2019 02:17 pm
facebook seriously spies on people. they listen via your mic and show you ads about what it hears.
I don't think it has been proven that Facebook listens using your mic, has it?
Other companies could have made deals to have their OS installed on OEM PCs, and perhaps should have. I don't really see much
I don't think it has been proven that Facebook listens using your mic, has it?Zucky admitted it. He said it was was "with your permission" of course. You clicked the EULA, of course you read it!
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon May 13 2019 06:59 pm
I think the buttons looked like they had a little more depth than
Windows 10's buttons. Also things like the window borders did too,
at least with the default theme.
Yeah, you seem to be particularly picky about this, and I've been scratching my head over this one.
It's called "eye candy" alot of users like it. They also like to change it occasionaly to please the eye when staring at their desktop day in and day out. Windows 10 puts me to sleep. ;-)
It's not just that they got their OS installed on computers being sold. Microsoft used tactics to try to make their position stronger, such as requiring PC makers not to install competing software on their machines, such as web browsers other than Internet Explorer.
It's not that other software/hardware manufacturers wanted to remain stagnant. There were other options besides Microsoft Windows - And I agree they probably should have made deals to get their OS installed on PCs like Microsoft did with Windows. I think OS/2 was good, and there were other GUI environments like GeoWorks Ensamble (AKA GEOS, I believe), and of course Apple Mac, and Linux was around in the 90s too. The market wasn't stagnant. If anything, I think there are fewer options for PC operating systems these
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: MRO to Va7aqd on Sun May 12 2019 02:17 pm
facebook seriously spies on people. they listen via your mic and show you ads about what it hears.
I don't think it has been proven that Facebook listens using your mic, has it?
There's a million things one can rattle off about how Microsoft has screwed the world ever since Windows 3.1, but to narrow things
down to just one thing, your funding of Microsoft (wittingly or otherwise) helped destroy tech innovation outside of Microsoft for
a number of years. You paid to get told by your master that they screwed over various companies so that their products wouldn't
work well or at all on their shitty OS. You paid for MS to cut freedom and choice. You paid for your BSODs, driver hell, buggy,
bloated, piles of crap, and now you've supported them in to the spyware game. You not only took it up the chuff, you helped them
ram it in to others as well.
Yay.
I thought the antitrust lawsuit was because of the integration of Thier web browser into Windows and the blocking of competitive browsers.
Microsoft squelching competition.
Maybe I'm wrong or maybe that's only part of it?
Zucky admitted it. He said it was was "with your permission" of course. You clicked the EULA, of course you read it!
digital man
On 05-13-19 08:29, Hustler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It's called "eye candy" alot of users like it. They also like to
change it occasionaly to please the eye when staring at their desktop
day in and day out. Windows 10 puts me to sleep. ;-)
... Beauty is transitory. Beauty survives. Spock and Kirk, stardate unknown.
On 05-13-19 09:30, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I just think it looks a bit ugly, but I know not everyone will think
the same..
source code for what
I'm guessing he means Windows? Or any of Microsoft's software?
Isn't the source code in the library of congress locked up in a
safe behind 3 Pitbulls? ;-)
I don't know, but I remember hearing in the news about 12 or so years ago that the source code for Windows 2000 had been leaked. I remember checking at the time and found that there were BitTorrents of the Windows 2000 source code..
there was an issue with the media player in europe, too.
just stupid stuff that the courts didnt fully understand.
My point is that support for windows 7 is ending and I hate window's 10
Linux and wine for linux has come a long way recently and I can run most of my windows programs in wine or there are alternatetive programs for linux that I use.
now i just want something that doesnt piss me off. i dont want an operating system to be eye candy.
i opened up facebook and in the amazon targetted ads, there were the exact things i was talking about. this has happened several times. i never did a search for those things on my phone or on amazon before.
It's called "eye candy" alot of users like it. They also like toYeah, I don't give a rats arse about that stuff. As long as the interface is functional. When I'm managing servers, I'm staring at a CLI anyway, most of the time! ;)
change it occasionaly to please the eye when staring at their
... Beauty is transitory. Beauty survives. Spock and Kirk, stardate
unknown.
Seems rather relevant. Did you choose that one, or is your reader's AI kicking in again? ;)
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat May 11 2019 11:30 am
When Win95 came out, their desktop looked modern and timeless. Win2000 "flat," and when XP came out, they spruced it up. When comparing XP to Win7 to 10, it looks dated. While it's hard to guess what the next GUI enhancements are going to look like, I'm sure users will be able to tel the difference between the new and "old" product.
How does the Win2000 interface look flat? It looked basically the same as Win95/98. From Win95 to Windows 7, I think the GUI looks a lot better than Windows 8/8.1/10. And actually, to me, the flat look of Windows 8/8.1/10 lo dated, like something out of the late 70s/early 80s.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: MRO to Denn on Fri May 10 2019 09:08 pm
there's been rumors about that for several years. i doubt they
would do that.
actually that is thier plan for their business versions.
that's probably a good idea for businesses.
Perhaps, but it kinda sucks for the consumer. Imagine if companies did that for other types of products - What if you had to pay a yearly fee to continu to use your car, or anything else? The product basically becomes leased/ren rather than owned. I prefer being able to buy something up-front and using for as long as I want.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sun May 12 2019 09:37 am
Elon Musk has made some comments about not back-porting some of the improvements to older models, saying you should lease and get a new
car every couple of years to keep up. Getting over car ownership in America will take a while for a lot of people, myself included.
Some products (like smart TVs, DSLR cameras, etc.) usually tout the feature that you can upgrade their firmware to get bug fixes and sometimes new features. Same with PC motherboards and BIOS flash upgrades. One thing I'v noticed is that usually they'll only get a couple updates though..
Nightfox
MRO wrote to Va7aqd <=-
was microsoft really being dickheads or were they just running their business like a business when the other guys were idiots that couldn't keep up?
getting their os installed on computers being sold was a great idea that most of the other guys didn't think of.
Making OEM agreements = smart business. Threatening to lock out OEMs
from buying Microsoft products unless they purchased one copy for each system they sold, (because PIRACY) while putting their competitors at
a disadvantage (since the customer had already purchased Windows,
regardless of whether they wanted to or not) is a dickhead move.
i really dont see microsoft as the bad guy; they made money when others didnt. they also stimulated growth when other hardware and software manufacturers wanted to remain stagnant.
They had competition. They used their market share to kill their competition. I don't know what you mean by hardware remaining
stagnant, could you be more specific?
... Can you hear me?
On 05-14-19 14:09, Heliarc wrote to Vk3jed <=-
... Beauty is transitory. Beauty survives. Spock and Kirk, stardate
unknown.
Seems rather relevant. Did you choose that one, or is your reader's AI kicking in again? ;)
LOL.. I chose it. If I can't find a "relevant" quote I won't use it.
You're right about the eye candy. I remember when Windows would leave
me with 100mgs free for applications. It still takes up too much memory
in my opnion. I also spend most of my time in CLI and primarlty just do
a lot of BBSing. I have to keep my system browser updated to access my bank and whatever online shopping I need to do. I'd love to access
those services via SSH but I don't see that happening anytime soon. As always..when chosing an OS ...it depends on what you want to do with you're PC.
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: MRO to Denn on Mon May 13 2019 10:59 pm
there was an issue with the media player in europe, too.
just stupid stuff that the courts didnt fully understand.
Yeah, I don't think the courts fully understand computer stuff either. But they're also just trying to watch out for consumer rights.
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Denn to MRO on Thu May 09 2019 09:39 am
My point is that support for windows 7 is ending and I hate window's 10
Linux and wine for linux has come a long way recently and I can run most of my windows programs in wine or there are alternatetive programs for linux that I use.
Why do you hate Windows 10? From a stability perspective, it is rock solid. Yes, Microsoft is having a grand time keeping it up to date, but it is a good operating system.
I started watching the FX show "What We Do In The Shadows." A couple of weeks of watching it, and the Youtube app on my phone started suggesting that I watch a recording of the full theme song, along with other songs by the same artist... one that I had never heard of before and had never searched for.
smoother on Windows, while Linux requires the distribution maintainer to keep packages up to date, which doesn't track
applications like Firefox well.
Nightfox wrote to Va7aqd <=-
I thought it was a little odd when they basically dropped the
anti-trust case and didn't split up Microsoft like some were proposing.
I don't remember if the anti-trust case was totally dropped or if they did take some actions against Microsoft?
Hustler wrote to Denn <=-
Yea and they won. Last time I checked Windows still comes with a
built in browser. It's called "Edge".
Nightfox wrote to Va7aqd <=-
Other companies could have made deals to have their OS installed on OEM PCs, and perhaps should have. I don't really see much of a problem
with that. I thought IBM should have made more deals to get OS/2 installed on OEM PCs, but it was their decision not to (for whatever reason they had).
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
It also boils dow to economics - let's say for sake of conversation
there was more non-open source operating sytems available. Back in the days of the first IBM PC, you had a choice of buying CP/M for $250 or MS-DOS for $90. Which OS did you think customers leaned to?
Instead of being an item, it will be a paid service or utility, such as phone, internet, cable, electric, gas, or water
The automotive industry offers free updates - they call them recall notices
with the metallica situation they got the courts to believe that this guy was doing the equivelant of making bootlegs and selling them on the street.
if you wanted zuckerdouche get interviewed by congress, you see that they really were not prepared nor did they understand how facebook or the internet works. they needed a guide for questioning, i think.
It felt like the judge took a dive for Microsoft - making public statements regarding the trial while in mid-trial; didn't the judge
rule to break up Microsoft and lost in appeals due to the interviews
he gave during the trial?
Other companies could have made deals to have their OS installed on
OEM PCs, and perhaps should have. I don't really see much of a
problem with that. I thought IBM should have made more deals to get
OS/2 installed on OEM PCs, but it was their decision not to (for
whatever reason they had).
Just guessing here, but some elements of IBM probably didn't want to dilute sales of IBM-branded PCs. In companies that size it's hard for
the left hand to know what the right hand is doing, or to take a loss
for the greater win.
I think every company has some old, decrepit, poorly coded internal
site that "requires" IE, or Firefox 2, or something like that. It's usually a core component of getting paid, taking time off, or
performing some function vital to the employee.
It felt like the judge took a dive for Microsoft - making public
statements regarding the trial while in mid-trial; didn't the judge
rule to break up Microsoft and lost in appeals due to the interviews
he gave during the trial?
I'm not familiar with this "metallica situation"..
I suppose that's true. They didn't seem to have a problem selling OS/2 to anyone who wanted to use it.. If IBM wanted to only have OS/2 on IBM PCs, they could have done what Apple has done and have the OS check to make sure it's running on one of their own computers.
i opened up facebook and in the amazon targetted ads, there were the exact things i was talking about. this has happened several times. i never did search for those things on my phone or on amazon before.
I started watching the FX show "What We Do In The Shadows." A couple of weeks of watching it, and the Youtube app on my phone started suggesting that I watch a recording of the full theme song, along with other songs by the same artist... one that I had never heard of before and had never searched for.
Hustler wrote to Denn <=-
Yea and they won. Last time I checked Windows still comes with a built in browser. It's called "Edge".
Hit the start menu in Windows 10 and type "iexplore". Internet
Explorer is still hanging in there.
I think every company has some old, decrepit, poorly coded internal
site that "requires" IE, or Firefox 2, or something like that. It's
usually a core component of getting paid, taking time off, or
performing some function vital to the employee.
... Can you hear me?
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed May 15 2019 10:30:46
I'm not familiar with this "metallica situation"..
Back when filesharing was new Metalica actively went after people sharing their songs, losing a lot of fans...
I started watching the FX show "What We Do In The Shadows." A couple of
oh did you see the movie? it's awesome.
Why do you hate Windows 10? From a stability perspective, it is rock solid. >Yes, Microsoft is having a grand time keeping it up to date, but it is a good >operating system.
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Tue May 14 2019 09:17 am
Instead of being an item, it will be a paid service or utility, such as phone, internet, cable, electric, gas, or water
That seems a bit artificial. IMO, software that's already installed on a person's PC shouldn't have to work like that. It seems like a way of gettin around innovating by improving the product.. But it's not like they have to keep doing work or adding capacity for people to be able to use the software their own PC. Online hosted software, I suppose I could see them charging a recurring fee to keep using it, but even then, I'd rather just install it locally on my PC and use it on my own PC.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed May 15 2019 10:30:46
I'm not familiar with this "metallica situation"..
Back when filesharing was new Metalica actively went after people sharing th songs, losing a lot of fans...
Marisa
I started watching the FX show "What We Do In The Shadows." A couple o
oh did you see the movie? it's awesome.
No, I was not originally aware there was one until another friend mentioned it last week. Is it also in the "mockumentary" style that the TV show is?
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed May 15 2019 10:30:46
I'm not familiar with this "metallica situation"..
Back when filesharing was new Metalica actively went after people sharing their songs, losing a lot of fans...
I started watching the FX show "What We Do In The Shadows." A couple of
oh did you see the movie? it's awesome.
No, I was not originally aware there was one until another friend mentioned it last week. Is it also in the "mockumentary" style that the TV show is?
they were contacted about providing a song for the movie soundtrack. They wrote a
song that sucked, realized they didn't want it released, then some studio flunky downloads it without their permission. Fans start reviewing it, saying it sucks, then they're wishing they could just say "well, you don't say ? maybe that's why we didn't release it with our blessing?"
Back when filesharing was new Metalica actively went after people sharing their songs, losing a lot of fans...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6udST6lbE
digital man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6udST6lbE
Microsofts intrest in Linux is purely self serving.Yes and the year was 2008. I'm not saying they should be absolved for past transgressions. Just that things change over time. Attitudes change.
Microsoft hates wine they certainly have'nt contributed to the wine project.
also I could've sworn I read an article concerning Microsofts abuse of the
I use only Linux for my server tasks. For desktop, I like a mix of Windows and Linux. The new Linux subsystem in Windows 10 might be a good fit for me. Definitely something I want to try. I would definitely be running an X server, so I can use Linux GUI apps on the Windows desktop.
dont know about you, but microsoft never fucked me up the butt.If you ever bought a PC that had Windows pre-installed, you were getting exactly that. You may have been happy to have that, but
let's not beat around the issue, that's exactly what you got.
It's cool that Microsoft is supporting Linux more these days, but I think I'll have to wait and see if I really trust them or not. Microsoft has sued some companies over supposed patent violations related to using Linux or Linux-based software. Supposedly Microsoft has eased up on that, but we'll see where that goes.My thoughts exactly. Fanatism one way or the other is just stupid.
Microsoft hates wine they certainly have'nt contributed to the wine project. also I could've sworn I read an article concerning MicrosoftsYep. And regarding Wine, I've always heard they've had to reverse-engineer the Windows APIs, and that always has its problems.
has to be for Windows. If not I could whip out some assembler they gave out for initalizing mice in DOS back in the late 80's.I'm guessing he means Windows? Or any of Microsoft's software?You haven't seen their source code, have you?source code for what
and perhaps should have. I don't really see much of a problem with that. I thought IBM should have made more deals to get OS/2 installed on OEM PCs,
Microsofts intrest in Linux is purely self serving.Yes and the year was 2008. I'm not saying they should be absolved for past transgressions. Just that things change over time.
Microsoft hates wine they certainly have'nt contributed to the wine project.
also I could've sworn I read an article concerning Microsofts abuse of the
Attitudes change.
And the OSS users show their support for all their "FREE" software by fucking the devs up the butt instead. If you haven't
contributed money or code when you could have you are fucking the devs up the butt.
I used to support an engineering department which had software that required calling out to a license server to operate. It was pretty much a subscription model with regards to how it worked. The department had a defined amount of seats, and each time a copy was installed or removed, the software vendor had to be notified to authorize that copy to that workstation. Neat part was features could be turned on and off if needed through the license manager, so if you needed a view only seat, you could turn off the other editing features and save money.
and perhaps should have. I don't really see much of a problem with
that. I thought IBM should have made more deals to get OS/2 installed
on OEM PCs,
Well DOS6/Win3 was a different ball game than WinNT or OS/2. But actually IBM did have PC DOS which was actually pretty popular. In the home user it was MS DOS or DR DOS. In the business world it was MS DOS or PC DOS.
I do not care for the interface. If they would have allowed the user to use the "pre-Windows 8" interface and not be forced into the interface I thought they were getting rid of because no one liked Win 8, I probably would not care.
The Wierd Al song "Don't download this song" parodies this situation. Specificly mentioning Lars Ulrich of Metalica ;)
metallica just didnt get it.
Well Microsoft contributed a bunch of information on Win32 API. But i've had buddies that were in Wine and ReactOS and neither one would have any use DOSBox runs games faster than if you setup and run QEMU and run MS-DOS. The real thing isn't necessarily the best thing.
And the OSS users show their support for all their "FREE" software by fucking the devs up the butt instead. If you haven'tUsers who haven't contributed back to a project are doing no such thing.
contributed money or code when you could have you are fucking the devs up the butt.
I had the impression that different DOS operating systems were pre-installed on OEM computers and didn't have the same restrictions that Microsoft put on Windows for OEMs. I had also seen special modified versions of MS-DOS for certain OEMs - I seem to remember a special Compaq MS-DOS 3.31.
use DOSBox runs games faster than if you setup and run QEMU and runbut the real thing is better when you are talking wine and reactos
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: MRO to Badopcode on Fri May 17 2019 04:00 pm
use DOSBox runs games faster than if you setup and run QEMU and runbut the real thing is better when you are talking wine and reactos
A bit ambigious but okay. Yes real works more like real than emulated. USUALLY. There are a lot of things in emulated you can compensate for or even ignore because your not working in the same constraints. But the less you emulate the better you can guaranty it will work like the original.
And the OSS users show their support for all their "FREE" software by fucking the devs up the butt instead. If youUsers who haven't contributed back to a project are doing no such thing.
haven't
contributed money or code when you could have you are fucking the devs up the butt.
I have no attitude towards it.
If it wasn't for all the horrible evil companies like IBM, Novell, Microsoft, Facebook, etc there wouldn't be much quality open source out there. The ones who whine, cry and throw fits over the
participation of these companies typical don't contribute crap.
Don't get me wrong... there is some really good users out there. They contribute by providing what they can. Tech support,
documentation, tutorials. But there is a lot of bottom feeders who do nothing but try to run off all your sponsors because all
we need in this world is the warm fuzzies they give us.
A bit ambigious but okay. Yes real works more like real than
emulated. USUALLY. There are a lot of things in emulated you can
compensate for or even ignore because your not working in the same
constraints. But the less you emulate the better you can guaranty it
will work like the original.
Let me be less ambiguous: wine and reactos are shit compared to the real thing.
On 05-17-19 03:18, Badopcode wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/DHBBS
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Mon May 13 2019 09:09 am
I use only Linux for my server tasks. For desktop, I like a mix of Windows and Linux. The new Linux subsystem in Windows 10 might be a good fit for me. Definitely something I want to try. I would definitely be running an X server, so I can use Linux GUI apps on the Windows desktop.
I have a SuSE WSL on my Win10 dev rig with a X server I bought on the
apps store for like 5 bucks. Didn't HAVE to buy it but it was 0
tinkering and works flawless. I run Kate and Code Blocks in rootless
mode from the WSL. Works damn near on-the-metal speeds. Hard press to tell the difference.
Been writing OSS for 30 years. No attitude. It is what it is.Baloney. You have the attitude of an angry dev. Unless you're writing code that has a license that says "By using this software you will volunteer 25 hours per month to doing good work on this project.", then the users are not part of the project and who are you to expect them to be contributing back? Either develop or not, but if you have expectations from the user you're lost before you even begin.I have no attitude towards it.And the OSS users show their support for all their "FREE" software
by fucking the devs up the butt instead. If you haven't
by fucking the devs up the butt instead. If you haven't
contributed money or code when you could have you are fucking the
devs up the butt.
Again your missing the point. I sense guilty conscious playing here. If I made you think... than it's worth that I said it.tutorials. But there is a lot of bottom feeders who do nothing but tryGood user != providing to the project. A user != dev! FFS. Either do your coding or not but don't bitch about the user base for not doing your work.
to run off all your sponsors because all we need in this world is the
warm fuzzies they give us.
I have a SuSE WSL on my Win10 dev rig with a X server I bought onSounds pretty cool! :) And yes, if you have the network bandwidth, X is pretty fast across the network.
Denn wrote to MRO <=-
Let me be less ambiguous: wine and reactos are shit compared to the real thing.
I don't know much about reactos but as for wine I use it all the time.
I can run most windows based programs with wine installed on
Ubuntu 14.04 there is a growing dis satifaction of windows.
Badopcode wrote to Va7aqd <=-
PS: If your a dickhead and you know your are a dickhead... you
can contribute to OSS just by keeping your mouth shut and leave
the contributing members of the community alone! XD God i'm
getting old and contankerous.
Been writing OSS for 30 years. No attitude. It is what it is.
Again your missing the point. I sense guilty conscious playing here. If I made you think... than it's worth that I said it.
Sorry for the long message but watching people bash on Microsoft and talk up Linux, when Microsoft is a contributing factor why
we got some awesome new kernel builds rolled out really ... well ... it was just too much. Talking crap about hidden agenda's
and 10 year long conspiracy theories about what MS contributed... I want to ask these holier-than-thou users, what exactly did
they contribute? Maybe than we can piece together why any of us should care about the secret agenda plans behind MS's
contributions.
PS: If your a dickhead and you know your are a dickhead...
Badopcode wrote to Vk3jed <=-
nah i'm running from a local running WSL. Did a SuSE install from
the MS store and than installed the linux applications via RPM.
So by default X software will use the loopback adapter and when
it does it hits the X server running in Windows. I suppose I
could do the X server in the Linux subsystem directly but it is
just cooler in my opinion to run linux apps on Windows like it's
just another Windows application.
I don't know much about reactos but as for wine I use it all the
time. I can run most windows based programs with wine installed on
Ubuntu 14.04 there is a growing dis satifaction of windows.
But..... why do that? Are there not suitable Linux replacements
for the Windoze apps that you feel the need to run?
Been writing OSS for 30 years. No attitude. It is what it is.On behalf of all decent human beings who may or may not contribute to your projects, get over yourself, you angry, angry, ignorant asshat. You probably should have followed another calling.
Again your missing the point. I sense guilty conscious playing here.
If I made you think... than it's worth that I said it.
You managed to find your way back to the point, did you? It must be nice to live in a world where MS has furnished your life and turned you in to such a sensitive person. MS has been a 5,000 lb piece of shit gorilla at many points along the way, and if anyone doubts any purist intentions of theirs, they *paid* for those doubts.
However, perhaps you should work hard at this point - someone being critical of M$ isn't something you should take personally, to the tune of claiming happens to fuck devs up the ass, or everyone's a dickhead for
saying so. You sound like you should be locked up in an institution.
PS: If your a dickhead and you know your are a dickhead...It's Y O U apostrophe R E.
PS: If your a dickhead and you know your are a dickhead... youYeah, you got your last sentence correct, at least. Jeeeeeezzz.
can contribute to OSS just by keeping your mouth shut and leave
the contributing members of the community alone! XD God i'm
getting old and contankerous.
Not even sure what has offended you so greatly. If you want
somebody to contribute to a software project you work on, then say
so. Put a note in the documentation pointing to a paypal link or something. Make it "shareware" with added features if registered. Whatever you think is right. But to generally criticize all users
for not contributing to OSS projects doesn't make much sense to
me. I'm not a "dickhead".
What software do you publish that you'd like contributions for,
anyway?
On 05-19-19 04:55, Badopcode wrote to Vk3jed <=-
nah i'm running from a local running WSL. Did a SuSE install from the
MS store and than installed the linux applications via RPM. So by
default X software will use the loopback adapter and when it does it
hits the X server running in Windows. I suppose I could do the X
server in the Linux subsystem directly but it is just cooler in my
opinion to run linux apps on Windows like it's just another Windows application.
Denn wrote to Dan Clough <=-
For many programs like office I use libre etc.. but there are game servers I run that are windows games but actually run better in Linux
and wine.
Most windows programs I have tested work well with wine, I don't run
them in Linux as I still run a few windows machines, my main point is
that Linux and wine can help windows users make the leap to linux if
they want to.
Denn wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I don't know much about reactos but as for wine I use it all the
time. I can run most windows based programs with wine installed on
Ubuntu 14.04 there is a growing dis satifaction of windows.
But..... why do that? Are there not suitable Linux replacements
for the Windoze apps that you feel the need to run?
For many programs like office I use libre etc.. but there are
game servers I run that are windows games but actually run better
in Linux and wine.
Most windows programs I have tested work well with wine, I don't
run them in Linux as I still run a few windows machines, my main
point is that Linux and wine can help windows users make the leap
to linux if they want to.
nah i'm running from a local running WSL. Did a SuSE install from the MS store and than installed the linux applications via RPM. So by default X
I go back and forth between Linux and Windows on my laptop, and WINE
has been great for being able to run Photoshop and a couple of apps
that don't have a Linux version. If I could ever get Microsoft Office
to run on WINE, I'd abandon Windows on the laptop permanently.
Wait, what? There's some sort of Microsoft store offering SuSE Linux?
Wait, what? There's some sort of Microsoft store offering SuSE Linux?
Windows Subsystem for Linux - has been around for about 3 or 4 years now. You can run Linux on your Windows 10 install.
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: dmxrob to Nightfox on Mon May 20 2019 01:54 pm
Wait, what? There's some sort of Microsoft store offering SuSE Linux?
Windows Subsystem for Linux - has been around for about 3 or 4 years now. You can run Linux on your Windows 10 install.
Ah, I've heard of that.. Didn't realize it was using SuSE.
Badopcode wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Not even sure what has offended you so greatly. If you want
Well it's the constant crazied zealots that try to run off IBM,
Novell and now Microsoft from the OSS world. We need these
company contributions. These big projects are far from cheap to
operate. And many of the big evil corporations do leave some
pretty sizable code contributions.
somebody to contribute to a software project you work on, then say
so. Put a note in the documentation pointing to a paypal link or something. Make it "shareware" with added features if registered.
Whatever you think is right. But to generally criticize all users
for not contributing to OSS projects doesn't make much sense to
You pegged me wrong. It's not for me. It's for all the projects
out there scraping along. Almost every distro needs all the help
they can get. But there is a lot of projects hanging by a thread
and than when they get a big group of assholes... Well you can
imagine. Your forking a lot of expense out of your own pocket.
Your putting blood into a project only to have a handful but very
loud jerks treat you like all your sacrafice is worthless. AGAIN
THIS IS NOT ME!!! I HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THIS PERSONALLY. I
have seen it happen to a number of friends though and I've got
some of the splash from being on the team as a contributor.
me. I'm not a "dickhead".
What software do you publish that you'd like contributions for,
anyway?
Contribute to Synchronet. http://wiki.synchro.net/donate I have
nothing to do with this project but I love the software and I
think you do too. If so... show Digital Man some love.
All my personal projects are just small libraries that are
released MIT and doesn't cost me crap because services like
GitHub pays the would be bill. I don't need it or want it. I'm
just sharing stuff I needed for me.
But Digital Man pays for a
number of resources out of his pocket to share with us as well as
his talent and time. Also... when users help other users, that is
saving the dev SO much time. Make no mistake that those
contributions are many times bigger than submitting a bug fix or
a bit of cash.
I go back and forth between Linux and Windows on my laptop, and WINEYa thats where I was a long while back. Was an early adopter of Google Business Apps for my business so I could do that very thing. But than Google pissed me off with the Chrome/Chromium and Android source code. Well Google got just twisted. At the same time MS vows to be nice. So i've moved my apps to Microsoft's Office. Enticed by Visio. But it's pretty decent if you need Office and not running Mac or Windows.
has been great for being able to run Photoshop and a couple of apps
that don't have a Linux version. If I could ever get Microsoft Office
to run on WINE, I'd abandon Windows on the laptop permanently.
nah i'm running from a local running WSL. Did a SuSE install fromCool, I'd be interested in doing things the same, with the X server running on Windows.
the MS store and than installed the linux applications via RPM. So
by default X software will use the loopback adapter and when it does
it hits the X server running in Windows. I suppose I could do the X
server in the Linux subsystem directly but it is just cooler in my
opinion to run linux apps on Windows like it's just another Windows
application.
Yep. SuSE, CentOS, Ubuntu... No Arch yet the last time I checked which was a bummer.nah i'm running from a local running WSL. Did a SuSE install fromWait, what? There's some sort of Microsoft store offering SuSE Linux?
the MS store and than installed the linux applications via RPM. So
by default X
This is definitely a solid solution. You can actually run Windows games in Linux this way as well. Make sure you install a KVM kernel. Than in Qemu (or VirtualBox if you swing that way. Oracle :-P) But you can directly map an extra video card to your emulator. There is some good YouTube videos out there on doing this. It runs pretty much on-the-metal speed.that don't have a Linux version. If I could ever get MicrosoftDo you use Windows in a VM or dual-boot? If you would rather stay in one environment, perhaps running Windows in a VM on Linux would make sense if you just need to run MS Office sometimes.
Office to run on WINE, I'd abandon Windows on the laptop
permanently.
You can choose now. Just type 'linux' in the search in the Windows store.Ah, I've heard of that.. Didn't realize it was using SuSE.It's not, it's Ubuntu 16.04:
rob@vert:~$ uname -a
Linux vert 4.4.0-17134-Microsoft #706-Microsoft Mon Apr 01 18:13:00 PST
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Nightfox to dmxrob on Mon May 20 2019 02:06 pm
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: dmxrob to Nightfox on Mon May 20 2019 01:54 pm
Wait, what? There's some sort of Microsoft store offering SuSE
Windows Subsystem for Linux - has been around for about 3 or 4
now. You can run Linux on your Windows 10 install.
Ah, I've heard of that.. Didn't realize it was using SuSE.
It's not, it's Ubuntu 16.04:
rob@vert:~$ uname -a
Linux vert 4.4.0-17134-Microsoft #706-Microsoft Mon Apr 01 18:13:00
PST 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux rob@vert:/etc$ cat
ec2_version Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS (Xenial Xerus)
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Nightfox to Badopcode on Mon May 20 2019 10:01 am
Yep. SuSE, CentOS, Ubuntu... No Arch yet the last time I checked which was a bummer.nah i'm running from a local running WSL. Did a SuSE install fromWait, what? There's some sort of Microsoft store offering SuSE Linux?
the MS store and than installed the linux applications via RPM. So
by default X
On 05-20-19 21:57, Badopcode wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Nothing to it really. Install whatever WSL you want. Don't need or
want a distro pre-installed with a GUI which most aren't. So if you install Ubuntu just apt-get the X software you want and let it fullfill the dependencies. For the x server I am using X410. I didn't have to configure anything. Nothing to configure in Linux. Just run the app
and it will work. I've experimented with using a X root and running a window manager. I got it working fair. I think a lot depends on which manager you try to run to be honest. But thats it.
Vk3jed wrote to Badopcode <=-
Cool, I'd be interested in doing things the same, with the X server running on Windows.
On 05-22-19 05:43, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/REALITY
Vk3jed wrote to Badopcode <=-
Cool, I'd be interested in doing things the same, with the X server running on Windows.
I remember running Desqview/X, let you run X apps in DOS. I didn't
have any reliance on X apps at the time, just thought it was damn
cool.
I remember running Desqview/X, let you run X apps in DOS. I didn't
have any reliance on X apps at the time, just thought it was damn
cool.
On 05-23-19 07:21, Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I remember DV and DV/X running my BBS very smoothly. Amazing tool. The first time power of the 80386DX was being used. Every DOS session with extra EMM and in some times XMS. Loved it.
HAWKEYE
I remember DV and DV/X running my BBS very smoothly. Amazing tool. The first time power of the 80386DX was being used. Every DOS session with extra EMM and in some times XMS. Loved it.
I never ran DV/X, but loved DV, especially once I upraded to an 80386 based system, and was able to use its full power. :) But not too long after, I discovered OS/2 and the 486, and never looked back. :)
I never ran DV/X, but loved DV, especially once I upraded to an 80386 based system, and was able to use its full power. :) But not too long after, I discovered OS/2 and the 486, and never looked back. :)
My wow moment was a little different. I ran Lantastic, which had some cool drive, printer and screen sharing features. I ran the BBS under DOS with Lantastic, and my desktop ran OS/2. I created a DOS VDM with the Lantastic drivers and could grab the screen from the BBS box or map the drives to the BBS and log in locally from across the room .
On 05-23-19 19:56, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-
I set it up once, just to play with. I wanted to see if I could use
the x server to run some of my DOS programs on one of my first linux installs. IIRC, it worked, but the thrill of getting it to work wore
off quickly. Keeping the novell-compatable pieces working on linux was difficult.
On 05-24-19 17:24, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
True, after DVX soon came OS/2 and my BBS also moved to OS/2.
HAWKEYE
On 05-24-19 17:27, Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Later on that was exactly my setup also. OS/2 with Lantastic. more
later I switched to Novell Netware.
True, after DVX soon came OS/2 and my BBS also moved to OS/2.OS/2 was a sysop's dream come true. :)
HAWKEYE
I didn't really have any file/printer sharing working until I got Windows networking working. It was a bit of a hodge podge, because OS/2 and Windows weren't 100% compatible at the time. In addition, on the Linux box, I ran Samba, which only ran over IP, while the Windows and OS/2 boxes talked over NetBEUI.
I set it up once, just to play with. I wanted to see if I could use
the x server to run some of my DOS programs on one of my first linux installs. IIRC, it worked, but the thrill of getting it to work wore
off quickly. Keeping the novell-compatable pieces working on linux was difficult.
I never actually ran Novell on Linux, though I did get IPX/SPX running at work
even over PPP dialup. I never had Novell at home.
Hawkeye wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I'm so sad I dont have a photo of my bedroom back then. I had 13
computers running the boards, all connected via LAN, CD-ROM jukebox, etc...
Vk3jed wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
I never actually ran Novell on Linux, though I did get IPX/SPX running
at work, even over PPP dialup. I never had Novell at home.
Vk3jed wrote to Hawkeye <=-
OS/2 was a sysop's dream come true. :)
On 05-27-19 00:15, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It was... IBM at that time was very helpful and professional on their supportlines. So sad for the Win95 lack of support and all of a sudden
a lot of companies abandon Windows 3.x and went to 95 and neglected OS/2.... HAWKEYE
On 05-27-19 00:19, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
True NetBEUI and IPX/SPX were the protocols at that time, a hassle to check out when something was not working. Reason NT 3.1 was becoming
more popular over netware was that Microsoft understoord the importance
of TCP/IP. HAWKEYE
On 05-26-19 10:27, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/REALITY
Vk3jed wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
I never actually ran Novell on Linux, though I did get IPX/SPX running
at work, even over PPP dialup. I never had Novell at home.
I was a Novell guy back then. I ran a couple of weird setups.
When the power went out in the building and the system powered off, I
had to bring it up, run a fsck on the base file system, then run a
netware file system check, then roll back the database. Pain in the
ass.
Later, I ran a netware remote access server that let you run IPX/SPX
from home over a modem. Kooky stuff.
On 05-26-19 10:28, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/REALITY
Vk3jed wrote to Hawkeye <=-
OS/2 was a sysop's dream come true. :)
And a callers' dream! Once at work when I ran Warp, I connected to our companies modem server, grabbed all 4 modems using int14, fired up
Procomm plus 4 times, and called 4 bbses simultaneously.
A Shameless Use of Technology.
The lack of applications was what forced me to leave OS/2 in the end.
The lack of applications was what forced me to leave OS/2 in the end. Initially, there were a lot of native apps, and when there wasn't, there were DOS or Windows 3.x alternatives.
I was sold on IP in 1991, and by 2000, I was already tinkering with IPv6. The rest of the world had to catch up. :)
On 05-27-19 22:51, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Mon May 27 2019 16:49:00
The lack of applications was what forced me to leave OS/2 in the end.
Who didnt... My customers kept asking for the Win95 applications. I was still hoping OS/2 would get some deal but when it was clear Win32 would never happen on OS/2... we had to step forward and leave it behind. Sad but true. HAWKEYE
On 05-27-19 21:51, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've read that OS/2's ability to run 16-bit Windows apps probably
helped kill OS/2.. Developers ended up writing their software for
Windows instead of making OS/2-native apps.
On 05-27-19 23:47, Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I have IPV6 through my isp but I stubornly resist I also still have
ipv4 I will probably use ipv4 untill they make me accept ipv6.
My router is actually setup for both.
I've read that OS/2's ability to run 16-bit Windows apps probably helped kill OS/2.. Developers ended up writing their software for Windows instead of making OS/2-native apps.
The lack of applications was what forced me to leave OS/2 in the
end.
Who didnt... My customers kept asking for the Win95 applications. I was still hoping OS/2 would get some deal but when it was clear Win32 would never happen on OS/2... we had to step forward and leave it behind. Sad
OS/2 was an odd beast. Cool as crap but odd. If you ever tore into the machine code of OS/2 it was actually hooking resources like ISR's. Like you could 100% write a OS/2 GUI application in assembler if your sadistic enough. It really was the logical next step from DOS. But the whole world lunged forward to Win95 and the Win32 API and that was the end of OS/2. OS/2 would have to have a major complete rewrite to compete for both developers and users. I wasn't a fan of Win95 or Win32 API. It was alright
I loved OS/2. I was getting a lot of "Warez" back then, non of which ran on OS/2. After holding out for almost 3 years I finally joined the "Microsoft Movement" with my tail between my legs. I never purchased another piece of software after that.
I've read that too.
I remember that to even get OS/2 running, you had to have a pretty beefy system, which was expensive. Then IBM wanted your other arm and leg for OS/2 developer tools (I don't remember if they wanted a percentage of your profits of your software).
The end result was lots of exensive barriers to developing on OS/2. By the time IBM figure out the problem, it was too late and no one cared about OS/2 anymore.
I loved OS/2. I was getting a lot of "Warez" back then, non of which
ran on OS/2. After holding out for almost 3 years I finally joined
the "Microsoft Movement" with my tail between my legs. I never
purchased another piece of software after that.
That's probably not a great thing to boast about..
I loved OS/2. I was getting a lot of "Warez" back then, non of
which ran on OS/2. After holding out for almost 3 years I finally
joined the "Microsoft Movement" with my tail between my legs. I
never purchased another piece of software after that.
That's probably not a great thing to boast about..
It's not "boasting". It's stating the facts. IBM had an opputunity and they blew it. I see no reason why Microsoft got the market share they did. IBM and OS/2 was the only competiton Microsoft had other then Apple and
Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Vk3jed to Hawkeye on Mon May 27 2019 04:49 pm
The lack of applications was what forced me to leave OS/2 in the end. Initially, there were a lot of native apps, and when there wasn't, there were DOS or Windows 3.x alternatives.
I've read that OS/2's ability to run 16-bit Windows apps probably helped kill OS/2.. Developers ended up writing their software for Windows instead of making OS/2-native apps.
I seem to remember Windows 3.x needing a relatively powerful computer too, but I'm not sure if OS/2 needed an even more powerful computer..
Looking back, it seems silly that they'd make it that difficult to develop software for an OS. But I think Microsoft's Visual Studio cost a lot of
blew it.They didn't learn a thing even after handing DOS over to Gates. Many people could not afford the software Microsoft put out so they got it illegally. Microsoft didn't care about "us". I don't feel bad about stealing from a monopoly. Just like I did'nt mind stealing HBO from the cable company back then. I've heard your "pitch" on illegal software. It only works for people that have money.
I have IPV6 through my isp but I stubornly resist I also still have
ipv4 I will probably use ipv4 untill they make me accept ipv6.
My router is actually setup for both.
Umm, why? I've been running IPv6 native since early 2011.
On 05-28-19 17:18, Dr. What wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've read that too.
I remember that to even get OS/2 running, you had to have a pretty
beefy system, which was expensive. Then IBM wanted your other arm and
leg for OS/2 developer tools (I don't remember if they wanted a
percentage of your profits of your software).
The end result was lots of exensive barriers to developing on OS/2. By the time IBM figure out the problem, it was too late and no one cared about OS/2 anymore.
On 05-28-19 23:29, Denn wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I have IPV6 through my isp but I stubornly resist I also still have
ipv4 I will probably use ipv4 untill they make me accept ipv6.
My router is actually setup for both.
Umm, why? I've been running IPv6 native since early 2011.
I run several game servers that need ipv4 addresses.
I loved OS/2. I was getting a lot of "Warez" back then, non of which ran
OS/2. After holding out for almost 3 years I finally joined the "Microsof
Movement" with my tail between my legs. I never purchased another piece o
software after that. The underground exploded with software for win32.
ran OS/2. After holding out for almost 3 years I finally joined the
"Microsof Movement" with my tail between my legs. I never purchased
I used to have to support it. I hated it. Fortunately I've suppressed most of that...
if I felt is was worth it. So I was boasting about stealing software. I was not supporting Microsoft and the Gates Dynasty by stealing. I
Maybe I didn't say it right. I really loved OS/2 and I supported for 3 years. I bought just about every piece of software I could find for it. I didn't get what all the fuss was about when windows 95 came out. OS/2 was so much better in my opinion. Then when Office came out I "got it". You needed Windows to use office. I had no use for Office. I needed a decent word processor but that was it. Back then I would recommended OS/2 if you were buying a computer. So yea, I was pissed OS/2 bailed on me but I vowed to never support Microsoft. Does anyone remember the browser wars? Oh man I was a Netscape fanatic! I cursed Microsoft and Internet Explorer. They were trying to manipulate the web. Gates tried to buy the eastern backbone. I hated Microsoft. Still do.
i think the way os2 marketed itself and the way ibm conducted business put the various nails in the coffin.
regarding hbo and movies, i wish they would switch to a different business model. i dont want to get hbo and see all the filler shit. i want to watch maybe one show. if i could pay like 2.99 a month to watch my one show atleast they'd be making some money off of me and other people. instead we are downloading stuff.
i hate going to the movies and being next to a stinky person who talks on their phone or clears their throat every 30 seconds. i always have this problem when i go to the movies.
if they included a different OS on some of their PCs. Those PC makers were basically strong-armed into putting Microsoft OSes on all their PCs, since they wouldn't want to pay for extra OS licenses they weren't using. So I'm wondering how much of OS/2's failure is Microsoft's fault.
they didnt advertise much and os2 cost more than windows in the stores if i remember correctly, also.
I agree, and I think a lot of people in the know also said OS/2 was better. I've noticed the technically better products don't always win out quirks and "bugs" that many web developers ended up making sites that
they might even be abandoning Edge, as they're replacing it with a new Chromium-based web browser.
Movie theaters these days seem to be trying for a more high-end experience though.. That theater where we went to recently, they have big power reclining seats, which they seem to consider a "premium experience". Those seats aren't even very comfortable for me after a while - I end up having to shift around in those seats because I start to feel sore after a while.
On 05-29-19 09:47, HusTler wrote to mark firestone <=-
So you're saying Windows is easier to support? I find that hard to believe. I had to support all Operating Systems. OS/2 was the most
stable. Other then the UNIX OS the company computers ran on.
etc. Once 95 came out it was all over. You couldn't even find shareware to run on windows. Things are much better today. These days the youngsters
at my theater they also have alcohol and real food, but it's way expensive. they are out of touch, still.
Oh absolutely. Visual Age C++ actually set the bench mark at one point. But the under pinning OS/2 kernel was a weird DOS-ish like. But when it came to memory management they were light years ahead. If i'm remembering correctly OS/2 like Netware used a 5 ring protected mode scheme while MS insisted on 3. BUT what i'm specifically talking about is OS/2's driver system started to fall behind MS. To move forward they would have to have the kernel assume more of the hardware and not rely on a collage of drivers. If you remember back, one of the key thing people complained about at the tiem about Windows 95 is how it flipped the bird to all the users and forced upgrades. Bold move but it paid off. Like BBS's everyone was ready to move forward but a lot of people were scared that the jump was too big.if your sadistic enough. It really was the logical next step fromI thought I had read at the time that OS/2 had a fairly good object-oriented API for the GUI. Interesting that you could do a GUI in assembly for it too.
DOS. But the whole world lunged forward to Win95 and the Win32 API
I remember that to even get OS/2 running, you had to have a pretty beefy system, which was expensive. Then IBM wanted your other arm and leg for OS/2 developer tools (I don't remember if they wanted a percentage of your profits of your software).ehhh not really. Like OS/2 version 2 and 3 definitely required a higher end system but it wasn't totally out of the range of a lot of Win 3 users.
The end result was lots of exensive barriers to developing on OS/2. By the time IBM figure out the problem, it was too late and no one cared about OS/2 anymore.
I remember that to even get OS/2 running, you had to have a prettyI seem to remember Windows 3.x needing a relatively powerful computer too, but I'm not sure if OS/2 needed an even more powerful computer..
beefy system, which was expensive. Then IBM wanted your other arm
Looking back, it seems silly that they'd make it that difficult to develop software for an OS. But I think Microsoft's Visual Studio cost a lot of money back then too.. From what I've heard, o ne reason why Borland's developer tools (Turbo C and Turbo C++) were popular was because they were relatively inexpensive. Then Microsoft made their developer tools less expensive, and they started to take off.
i think the way os2 marketed itself and the way ibm conducted business put the various nails in the coffin.Couldn't agree more. They didn't promote crap. They thought their logo was all the advertising they needed. They were so busy focused on the top teir corp and government users they ended up losing the whole kit and kaboodle. Fun to watch this pattern repeat with Oracle.
backbone. I hated Microsoft. Still do. I would still steal their software if I felt is was worth it. So I was boasting about stealing software. I was not supporting Microsoft and the Gates Dynasty by stealing. I
Firefox, Google Chrome, etc. Microsoft eventually relented and made IE better. Then they replaced IE with Edge in Windows 10, and now I've heard they might even be abandoning Edge, as they're replacing it with a new Chromium-based web browser.
drivers. If you remember back, one of the key thing people complained about at the tiem about Windows 95 is how it flipped the bird to all the users and forced upgrades. Bold move but it paid off.
This was before Visual Studio...which came out in 95'ish. Win 3.x era was Quick era. Quick Basic, Quick C, etc. I had both. They weren't bad compilers and they were pretty competively priced to Borland. But Borland won because it was the cheapest with amazing features.
My memory has Wacom had the scariest price tag. But their C compiler was like 100% Ansi and they could compile GNU software without much porting.
Have to agree. Microsoft was so deplorable back than. Gates was a sneak. Balmer did not have the grace that Gates had. Same evil tactics only it was being driven by Homer Simpson.
Yeah, I don't remember seeing many advertisements for OS/2. I do remember seeing a TV commercial for it back in the late 90s though, and I think some radio commercials for Warp 3 (or maybe Warp 4). I remember seeing articles about OS/2 in some computer magazines too.
we have those too, and they are heated. i think they're dirty. i make sure i >wear my big leather coat with a hood and i coccoon myself in.
at my theater they also have alcohol and real food, but it's way expensive. >they are out of touch, still.
No Windows 3.x was pretty light. To do anything cool you had to have more. Windows NT 3.5 required as much or more hardware than OS/2 and you didn't get anything more than OS/2.
I have heard pretty solid rumors they have a Chromium based Edge and plan to officially join the Chromium project.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
i ran os2 on a 386 that wasnt so hot and i ran 3.X on it too. i dont
think it needed a powerful computer.
Badopcode wrote to Nightfox <=-
I have heard pretty solid rumors they have a Chromium based Edge and
plan to officially join the Chromium project.
Nightfox wrote to Badopcode <=-
Yeah, I remember Borland had Turbo C, Turbo C++, Turbo Pascal etc.. I remember Quick Basic being from Microsoft, was Quick C also from Microsoft?
i ran os2 on a 386 that wasnt so hot and i ran 3.X on it too. i dont
think it needed a powerful computer.
Power, No. Memory, yes. Back then, most people didn't have a lot of memory, because DOS couldn't do much with it.
I have heard pretty solid rumors they have a Chromium based Edge and plan to officially join the Chromium project.I am currently using it, but Google is still pissed. They are nerfing
On 06-02-19 20:26, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Power, No. Memory, yes. Back then, most people didn't have a lot of memory, because DOS couldn't do much with it.
Maybe not DOS itself, but I think with EMS and XMS, applications could make use of larger amounts of RAM?
Also, I think another reason people didn't usually have a lot of RAM
was because it was expensive. Until the mid-90s or so, I seem to
remember 1MB of RAM costing around $100.
Once the 386 came out, you could do a lot of things with that extra RAM.
On 06-03-19 00:56, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Mon Jun 03 2019 04:38 pm
Once the 386 came out, you could do a lot of things with that extra RAM.
device=smartdrv.sys
I've read that OS/2's ability to run 16-bit Windows apps probably helped kill OS/2.. Developers ended up writing their software for Windows instead of making OS/2-native apps.
OS/2 was not easy to install and set up. NT 3.5, by comparison, was a real pain in the rear.
I have heard pretty solid rumors they have a Chromium based Edge and plan to officially join the Chromium project.I am currently using it, but Google is still pissed. They are nerfing
the experience people use with drive and youtube on Chromium Edge.
I dont know what I read at that era but I remember 16 bit was running better on OS/2 then Windows 3.xx.
NT server and Windows 95 were providing
things OS2 couldnt and weirdly the users wanted it... customers demanding Win95... so what do you do... exactly provide.
On 06-03-19 19:55, Hawkeye wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
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Re: Re: Is this for real?
By: Dumas Walker to BADOPCODE on Fri May 31 2019 19:13:00
OS/2 was not easy to install and set up. NT 3.5, by comparison, was a real pain in the rear.
Installing Netware was expert level compared to OS/2 or NT35... Netware 3.x was easier but 2.x was a pain in the ass... lol
but super stable
From what I remember, 16-bit Windows apps running in OS/2 looked like they were running in Windows 3.x, with the window border styles and color scheme etc.. I thought OS/2 actualy had some form of Windows 3.x that it used for running Windows 3.x apps.
From what I remember, 16-bit Windows apps running in OS/2 looked
like they were running in Windows 3.x, with the window border styles
and color scheme etc.. I thought OS/2 actualy had some form of
Windows 3.x that it used for running Windows 3.x apps.
There as a version that needed a Windows installation, and another one that came with the Windows subsystem installed. One was a red box, one was a blue box.
I have been moving a few things out of Google recently, as I think they've got a little too big for their britches in recent years. Nextcloud has been helpful, but I haven't got around to doing photos yet, which will be the next trick.
Yes, I remember that. I just don't remember for sure if the one that included
the
Windows subsystem was actually a version of Windows from Microsoft.
Yes, I remember that. I just don't remember for sure if the one that included the Windows subsystem was actually a version of Windows from Microsoft.
I remember installing a Banyan Vines server was also a pain!
On 06-09-19 17:12, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
For me that was later than Netware... and indeed... token ring and the
clients were a challenge. But I loved that with multi user
environment... streettalk was the basis for domains on Windows... they bought it. HAWKEYE
drivers. If you remember back, one of the key thing peopleNot sure what you mean exactly.. Forced upgrades to what? It forced people to upgrade to Windows 95?
complained about at the tiem about Windows 95 is how it flipped the
bird to all the users and forced upgrades. Bold move but it paid
LOL! YEP! I called Windows Vista, Windows Homer. Or "The Homer."sneak. Balmer did not have the grace that Gates had. Same evilDevelopers! Developers! Developers! Developers!
tactics only it was being driven by Homer Simpson.
Sometime between 1997 and 2000, they made a push with more TV advertising for Warp 4. It was the first time I ever saw an OS/2 ad. It was on pretty regular for a brief period of time. It was too little, too late by then,I remember an ad for OS/2 v2. I actually bought it. Had to go out and buy a new Tseng video card as mine wasn't compatible.
Not to mention having to solve the riddle of sphinx of what hardware is compatible with NT 3.5. I remember going through the installer and looking at the included drivers as a shopping list for a customer who HAD to have NT.more. Windows NT 3.5 required as much or more hardware than OS/2 andOS/2 was not easy to install and set up. NT 3.5, by comparison, was a real pain in the rear.
you didn't get anything more than OS/2.
Yes. Quick C was nice, I got an academic deal on it in college. Unfortunately, most of the professors had Turbo C and wanted programs turned in that compiled/ran in TC.
I wouldn't notice. My home business uses Office 365 and YouTube has gotten to be pretty dull.I have heard pretty solid rumors they have a Chromium based Edge andI am currently using it, but Google is still pissed. They are nerfing
plan to officially join the Chromium project.
the experience people use with drive and youtube on Chromium Edge.
Originally MS was going to release MS-DOS 7 and Windows 4.0. At the time a lot of DOS clones and other UI's were aggressively targeting 32 bit protected mode with multi-tasking. Microsoft took a gamble and released Win95 at the bundled price of DOS w/ Windows price and "killed" DOS. By only allowing their DOS. Instead of drivers loading at the DOS layer (like OS/2) they pushed their Win32 API driver system which was still half-baked. Anyone remembers the awesome printer drivers that would nuke Win95? Their claims of it was done for memory managing reasons was an absolute bald face lie. Windows 95 was still getting it's memory manager from EMM386 that was silently loaded in DOS.
sneak. Balmer did not have the grace that Gates had. Same evil
tactics only it was being driven by Homer Simpson.
Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!
LOL! YEP! I called Windows Vista, Windows Homer. Or "The Homer."
I remember an ad for OS/2 v2. I actually bought it. Had to go out and buy a new Tseng video card as mine wasn't compatible.
Oh speaking of... all this talk of OS/2. Went out and bought a copy of ArcaOS. They did a pretty good job on it. I'm working on porting a bunch of stuff. Right now i'm working on Node JS... which is going ruff. Really rusty on porting let alone OS/2. But having fun. Might work on porting Synch.
On 06-19-19 09:38, Nightfox wrote to Badopcode <=-
Yes, I remember Microsoft calling Windows 95 an operating system, and I saw that it still ran on DOS.. You could even set it up to just boot
to a DOS prompt and start Windows 95 by using win.com at the DOS prompt
if you wanted to. I thought that was a little weird.. But I suppose Microsoft had the goal of making Windows the OS, and Windows 95 was a stepping stone in that direction (though, they also had Windows NT at
the same time..). It was a bit of a weird time for Microsoft and
Windows. I think Microsoft also intentionally tried to dominate the
web market by bundling Internet Explorer with Windows (so that people would use it instead of other browsers) and then making Internet
Explorer behave a little differently from the standards so that web developers would target Internet Explorer.
On 06-19-19 13:05, Nightfox wrote to Badopcode <=-
Do you think it's actually worth buying a copy of ArcaOS? And does it work well on modern PC hardware?
I've been doubtful on how much worth it would be to buy a
non-mainstream OS these days, since the big 3 (Windows, Mac OS, and
Linux) have so much traction in the market, it seems hard to imagine
Yes, I remember Microsoft calling Windows 95 an operating system,
and I saw that it still ran on DOS.. You could even set it up to
just boot to a DOS prompt and start Windows 95 by using win.com at
the DOS prompt
Yes, done that, and you could also make DOS boot floppies that simply booted DOS 7.
Yes, it took them a while to integrate some of the Win9x features onto the NT kernel and come up with Windows XP, which was one of the best Windows versions.
Tes, they even tried to integrate IE into the desktop, which was a pain. Anyway, all I ever used IE for was to download Firefox (unless I was in an environment where I had to use it). :D
I've been doubtful on how much worth it would be to buy a
non-mainstream OS these days, since the big 3 (Windows, Mac OS, and
Linux) have so much traction in the market, it seems hard to imagine
I think you'd have to have a use in mind. For example, if I was to do it, I would be looking at resurrecting my old systems.
On 06-19-19 17:08, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yep, I've done that. I don't remember if it actually called itself
MS-DOS 7 though. I seem to remember running "ver" on a boot floppy
made that way, and for some reason I thought it said "Windows 95" or something similar. Similar with DOS boot floppies made from Windows
98.
I thought most/all of the Win9x features were merged into Windows 2000?
I remember Windows 2000 finally having up-to-date DirectX support for games, etc.. But Windows 2000 was more popular for businesses, with
Microsoft releasing Windows ME for the consumer. Windows XP was when Microsoft finally ended the separate NT/9x editions and had a single codebase for Windows.
As a side note, a lot of people have said Windows ME was very bad, but
I ran it for a little while and I didn't have a problem with it..
It seemed like I had to use IE for certain web sites because some web sites only worked in IE for a while (or didn't work well if I was using
a different browser).
On 06-19-19 17:09, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I suppose that would be one use of ArcaOS. But a lot of people these
days also choose to use a Linux distro to resurrect old systems that
don't run newer versions of Windows very well. I suppose it depends on what you want to do with the system.
Oh speaking of... all this talk of OS/2. Went out and bought a copy of ArcaOS.
They did a pretty good job on it. I'm working on porting a bunch of stuff. >Right now i'm working on Node JS... which is going ruff. Really rusty on >porting let alone OS/2. But having fun. Might work on porting Synch.
time for Microsoft and Windows. I think Microsoft also intentionally tried to >dominate the web market by bundling Internet Explorer with Windows (so that >people would use it instead of other browsers) and then making Internet >Explorer behave a little differently from the standards so that web developers >would target Internet Explorer.
On 06-19-19 19:43, Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
You don't just think they did... they really did. They tried
perverting some standard network communications protocols, too, in an effort to make other systems incompatible with theirs.
I always thought of it as DOS 7. I can't recall what ver said it was. :)
As a side note, a lot of people have said Windows ME was very bad,
but I ran it for a little while and I didn't have a problem with
it..
It was known as "Windows Must Erase". :D
People said the same about Vista, but my Vista installations were rock solid. Sure it was resource heavy, but I found it more stable than XP. I think one of the reasons was I went for a clean 64 bit installation, so there were no legacy drivers kicking around. My last Vista installation has only just been decommissioned, because I needed the desktop for my Linux mail server. Since Linux is on a separate SSD, the Vista installation is actually still there.
On 06-20-19 09:29, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've heard Microsoft was originally planning on releasing a MS-DOS 7, before deciding to include it with Windows 95.
As a side note, a lot of people have said Windows ME was very bad,
but I ran it for a little while and I didn't have a problem with
it..
It was known as "Windows Must Erase". :D
I hadn't heard that before.. :)
I tend to call it Windows Hasta La Vista.. :P I suppose Vista was
okay, but the main problem is that it was resource heavy (like you
said). Windows 7 addressed that issue.
Installing Netware was expert level compared to OS/2 or NT35... Netware 3.x was easier but 2.x was a pain in the ass... lolWhat about Netware 4.x for OS/2?
Originally MS was going to release MS-DOS 7 and Windows 4.0. At the t
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