The Millionaire recently mentioned that he wanted to have a mobile BBS, but it >as suggested that it's best to leave a BBS machine plugged into power all the t
me so that it doesn't lose power. The Millionaire was concerned that leaving a
tablet plugged into power all the time would damage the battery over time.
me so that it doesn't lose power. The Millionaire was concerned that leavi a
tablet plugged into power all the time would damage the battery over time.
Is that still a thing? I leave my relatively moden laptop plugged in when i is not in use, and our laptops at work are always on the docking stations when not being lugged to meetings.
Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-
The Millionaire recently mentioned that he wanted to have a mobile BBS, but it
as suggested that it's best to leave a BBS machine plugged into power all the t
me so that it doesn't lose power. The Millionaire was concerned that leaving a
tablet plugged into power all the time would damage the battery over time.
Is that still a thing? I leave my relatively moden laptop
plugged in when it is not in use, and our laptops at work are
always on the docking stations when not being lugged to meetings.
i've had numerous deaf and/or non-sighted users over the years, too... you generally can't tell because the medium removes all the visuals and audio cues while placing everyone on the same level playing field with the same appearance from the other side of the screen...
Me, too - I had a deaf user donate a motherboard to my BBS when my old one fried, and as payment he just wanted to see the board and chat. Nice guy, he loved having a social medium he could participate in without any extra challenges.
i had a blind user and i made a command shell for his screen reader.
i probably could have done a better job at it now that i think about it.
I wonder if utf-8 is the reason I keep getting message header errors when tossing dovenet messages.
it is not... think of UTF-8 as simply CP437 that takes one to four bytes to make a glyph... a glyph is the shape of the character...
those error messages are specifically about the dove-general message base files not existing in your setup... nothing to do with UTF-8 at all...
Perhaps you meant electricity from the wall vs. solar? A lot of power plants still burn coal & such. Speaking of which, occasionally I hear about how nuclear technology has come a long way in being safer.
Re: FSXNet
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Oct 14 2019 13:48:36
Perhaps you meant electricity from the wall vs. solar? A lot of power plants still burn coal & such. Speaking of which, occasionally I hear ab how nuclear technology has come a long way in being safer.
Would still prefer to have a simple fuel cell set up outside, and that only because we have not figured out how to harnes Zero Point energy yet, or to create a nice small Naquida generator. :)
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I have seen ideas for new reactor types that are supposed to be safer
and more tolerant to infrastructure failure (e.g. cooling pumps
stopping). But for fission reactors, there is still the issue of
nuclear waste. The ideal way to handle that is to use nuclear
processes to break them down into more stable (and safer!) elements,
which has the nice byproduct of acting as another type of nuclear fuel.
But from what I've read, that would probably require a source of additional neutrons to stimulate the additional stage(s) of fission.
I'm no nuclear expert, but I do try and keep up with technologies.
I can never find the answer, but are fuel cells temperature sensitive?
Seems like the test houses for the technology are all in California. Would they have a problem operating in Minnesota winters?
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
I have seen ideas for new reactor types that are supposed to be safer and more tolerant to infrastructure failure (e.g. cooling pumps stopping). But for fission reactors, there is still the issue of nuclear waste. The ideal way to handle that is to use nuclear processes to break them down into more stable (and safer!) elements, which has the nice byproduct of acting as another type of nuclear fuel.
But from what I've read, that would probably require a source of additional neutrons to stimulate the additional stage(s) of fission.
I'm no nuclear expert, but I do try and keep up with technologies.
I like the idea of shooting it off into the sun, but all it would take is one rocket full of Cesium exploding on launch to make for a really bad day.
... Where is the center of the maze?
Re: Power sources
By: Moondog to Lupine Furmen on Tue Oct 15 2019 21:24:00
I can never find the answer, but are fuel cells temperature sensitive? Seems like the test houses for the technology are all in California. Wou they have a problem operating in Minnesota winters?
I really don't know. I would think that as long as you can keep the water fr freezing you should be ok. Since it's my understanding that how they work is they take ordinary water, split the molocule into it's 2 components, them bu the hydrogen portion to create energy.
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On 10-16-19 07:07, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I like the idea of shooting it off into the sun, but all it would take
is one rocket full of Cesium exploding on launch to make for a really
bad day.
Re: Nuclear Waste - was Re: F
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Wed Oct 16 2019 07:07 am
The TV series Space 1999 taught us the lesson not to store it on the moon.
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Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The TV series Space 1999 taught us the lesson not to store it on the
moon.
Re: Nuclear Waste - was Re: F
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Wed Oct 16 2019 07:07 am
The TV series Space 1999 taught us the lesson not to store it on the moon.
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I was a huge fan of that show. :-)
$ The Millionaire $
On 10-16-19 13:39, Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The TV series Space 1999 taught us the lesson not to store it on the
moon.
On 10-17-19 06:35, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Moondog <=-
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Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The TV series Space 1999 taught us the lesson not to store it on the
moon.
Wouldn't a thrust on the far side force the moon into the earth? People with no sense of orbital mechanics are dying to know.
I loved Space:1999, and as a kid remember the show UFO, which was sort
of a precursor to Space:1999. Swoopy cars! Hip 1960s haircuts in the future! Purple hair and fishnets as a uniform! Moon Base!
And that submarine with a fighter jet on the front...
Moondog wrote to The Millionaire <=-
I was very young when it first aired. I recall seeing the cool Eagle shuttle toys in the Christmas catalogs. Last year I rediscovered the series on Youtube. Now on satellite there's two channels that replay
the series on occa sion. The show was hit or miss, and I guess because
I have been exposed to th e story lines on other TV series, some of it seems kind of cheesy from a moder n sci-fi point of view.
Pretty amazing when you think they came up with different spaceships and different aliens every week. I remember reading a story about the modelers who had to keep up with that schedule.
Now, you have season 1 purists and season 2 revisionists. I liked the first season way more.
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Actually, not likely. It would more likely push the moon into an elliptical orbit with a lower perigee. But a thrust in opposition to the moon's motion WOULD result in a collision, if the thrust was strong enough for long enough. Taking away the moon's forward velocity would leave it free fall towards Earth under the influence of gravity. :)
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The TV series Space 1999 taught us the lesson not to store it on the moon.
Wouldn't a thrust on the far side force the moon into the earth? People with no sense of orbital mechanics are dying to know.
I loved Space:1999, and as a kid remember the show UFO, which was sort of a precursor to Space:1999. Swoopy cars! Hip 1960s haircuts in the future! Purple hair and fishnets as a uniform! Moon Base!
And that submarine with a fighter jet on the front...
... I'll be unstoppable when I get started.
Moondog wrote to The Millionaire <=-
I was very young when it first aired. I recall seeing the cool Eagle shuttle toys in the Christmas catalogs. Last year I rediscovered the series on Youtube. Now on satellite there's two channels that replay the series on occa sion. The show was hit or miss, and I guess because I have been exposed to th e story lines on other TV series, some of it seems kind of cheesy from a moder n sci-fi point of view.
Pretty amazing when you think they came up with different spaceships and different aliens every week. I remember reading a story about the modelers who had to keep up with that schedule.
Now, you have season 1 purists and season 2 revisionists. I liked the first season way more.
... When is it for?
Pretty amazing when you think they came up with different spaceships and different aliens every week. I remember reading a story about the modelers who had to keep up with that schedule.
Now, you have season 1 purists and season 2 revisionists. I liked the firs season way more.
... When is it for?
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I still remember the main actors/actresses in that show:
Martin Landau, Barbara Bain, Barry Morse
$ The Millionaire $
Re: Re: Nuclear Waste - was R
By: The Millionaire to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Oct 18 2019 09:35 am
Catherine Schell in Season 2 was hard to forget :)
She also appeared in On Her Majesty's Secret Service as on of the women Telly Savalas was brain washing.
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Re: battery drain
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sun Oct 13 2019 10:36 am
me so that it doesn't lose power. The Millionaire was concerned that leavi a
tablet plugged into power all the time would damage the battery over time.
Is that still a thing? I leave my relatively moden laptop plugged in when i is not in use, and our laptops at work are always on the docking stations when not being lugged to meetings.
pretty sure you should unplug it and let it run down periodically.
i had a laptop that i would keep plugged in all the time and battery
went to shit.
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I've heard the moon has actually been getting farther away from the earth over time.
I wonder if that will ever start to have significant effects on the earth.. I've
heard the moon's gravity affects the tides of oceans, for one.
And that submarine with a fighter jet on the front...
Lupine Furmen wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Are you refering to "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" and it's Flying
Sub? -+-
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've heard the moon has actually been getting farther away from the
earth over time. I wonder if that will ever start to have significant effects on the earth.. I've heard the moon's gravity affects the tides
of oceans, for one.
Re: Re: Nuclear Waste - was Re: F
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Thu Oct 17 2019 06:35:00
And that submarine with a fighter jet on the front...
Are you refering to "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" and it's Flying Sub? -+-
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Re: Re: Nuclear Waste - was R
By: Lupine Furmen to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Oct 19 2019 04:22 am
He's referring to UFO, a Gerry Anderson program. It was his first attempt witfh live action actors, however the miniature effects were just a step above the Thunderbirds and his other productions.
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On 10-18-19 09:51, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The moon falling toward the earth is a scary thought. :)
I've heard the moon has actually been getting farther away from the
earth over time. I wonder if that will ever start to have significant effects on the earth.. I've heard the moon's gravity affects the tides
of oceans, for one.
On 10-19-19 08:31, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
As a kid I'd heard that the rotation of the moon is slowing, and that
in millions of years the moon could come close enough to reach Roche's limit and break up into a ring around the earth.
The moon falling toward the earth is a scary thought. :)
True. :) Technically, it _is_ falling, but has so much sideways motion that it keeps missing Earth. :) That is the definition of an orbit.
Go back to 4+ billion years when the moon was created, it orbited at an altitude estimated to be around 15000km, while the Earth rotated every 6 hours.
Tides were tens to hundreds of metres high (once surface water came along) and raced across the surface at incredible speeds.
On 10-20-19 19:55, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Well yeah, that's true.. :) I just meant falling more straight down
and crashing into the earth.
Go back to 4+ billion years when the moon was created, it orbited at an altitude estimated to be around 15000km, while the Earth rotated every 6 hours.
Tides were tens to hundreds of metres high (once surface water came along) and raced across the surface at incredible speeds.
That would have been interesting to see.
Maybe Jean-Luc Picard could tell us something about that.. Well I
guess Q didn't actually transport him back in time quite that far (in
the series finale of Star Trek: The Next Generation). :P
As a kid I'd heard that the rotation of the moon is slowing, and that in millions of years the moon could come close enough to reach Roche's limit and break up into a ring around the earth.
Reminds me of a book I am reading, "Seveneves".
And that submarine with a fighter jet on the front...
Are you refering to "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" and it's FlyingHe's referring to UFO, a Gerry Anderson program. It was his first attempt
Sub? -+-
I don't think home appliances & things will all be required to be connected. I'd imagine (or hope) that there will still be non-connected appliances made for the forseeable future.
It seems to me that ethernet is still (and probably will continue to be) fas and more reliable than wifi, so I'm a little surprised that ethernet isn't being pre-wired when new houses are built. It would be especially important for those of us who run BBSes at home and want a reliable connection.
It seems to me that ethernet is still (and probably will continue to
be) fas and more reliable than wifi, so I'm a little surprised that
ethernet isn't being pre-wired when new houses are built. It would be
especially important for those of us who run BBSes at home and want a
reliable connection.
they could install inferior cable or over time the cable could go bad. what if a new cable came out that was even better than what we have now?
do what i did and drill a hole up from the basement along side the wall all the way up.
then shoot your cable up and have the router and shit in the basement.
I've seen a few houses that are wired for ethernet, but I'm surprised I've only seen a few. There was one house I was looking at that was newly constructed, and they said it was part of a group of houses that were "wifi certified" - The house had pre-installed wifi repeaters in the house that you could use to help boost your wifi signal throughout the house. I asked if they knew about installing ethernet, and they said something like "If you probably will continue to be) faster and more reliable than wifi, so I'm a little surprised that ethernet isn't being pre-wired when new houses are built. It would be especially important for those of us who run BBSes at home and want a reliable connection.
I don't think the cost of installing ethernet would be something people would be willing to pay for. Nobody wants to plug their devices into the wall to connect to the internet. People want wireless. I don't know what's going on in your state but here in New York 5G just rolled out. The future is wireless. Let's see what security issues will develope with all these wireless devices connecting to the internet. WoW!
Houses in my area haven't been built with basements in a long time. Aside f a house I used to live in that was built in the 1940s, I've never seen anoth house in my area with a basement.
be willing to pay for. Nobody wants to plug their devices into the wall to connect to the internet. People want wireless. I don't know what's going on your state but here in New York 5G just rolled out. The future is wireless. Let's see what security issues will develope with all these wireless devices connecting to the internet. WoW!
that's too bad because they are good laundry rooms and storage.
pretend your first level is your basement and drill a hole through the ceiling/floor in a closet to the upstairs
what if all this wireless shit everywhere is giving us cancer that will pop up in 30 years
Re: Re: FSXNet
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Oct 25 2019 12:41 pm
I don't think home appliances & things will all be required to be connected. I'd imagine (or hope) that there will still be non-connected appliances made for the forseeable future.
That said, I've been looking to buy & move into a different house recently,
most useful thing - If you're at work and realize you forgot to change your
I've seen a few houses that are wired for ethernet, but I'm surprised I've o stalled wifi repeaters in the house that you could use to help boost your wi tech might be able to help with that." It seems to me that ethernet is stil ecially important for those of us who run BBSes at home and want a reliable
Nightfox
Re: Smart homes
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Oct 25 2019 12:46 pm
It seems to me that ethernet is still (and probably will continue to be) and more reliable than wifi, so I'm a little surprised that ethernet isn' being pre-wired when new houses are built. It would be especially import for those of us who run BBSes at home and want a reliable connection.
they could install inferior cable or over time the cable could go bad. what a new cable came out that was even better than what we have now?
do what i did and drill a hole up from the basement along side the wall all way up.
then shoot your cable up and have the router and shit in the basement.
Re: Smart homes
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Oct 25 2019 12:46 pm
I've seen a few houses that are wired for ethernet, but I'm surprised I'v only seen a few. There was one house I was looking at that was newly constructed, and they said it was part of a group of houses that were "wi certified" - The house had pre-installed wifi repeaters in the house that you could use to help boost your wifi signal throughout the house. I ask if they knew about installing ethernet, and they said something like "If probably will continue to be) faster and more reliable than wifi, so I'm little surprised that ethernet isn't being pre-wired when new houses are built. It would be especially important for those of us who run BBSes at home and want a reliable connection.
I don't think the cost of installing ethernet would be something people wo in New York 5G just rolled out. The future is wireless. Let's see what secur
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I don't think the cost of installing ethernet would be something people would be willing to pay for. Nobody wants to plug their devices into the wall to connect to the internet. People want wireless. I don't know what's going on in your state but here in New York 5G just rolled out. The future is wireless. Let's see what security issues will develope with all these wireless devices connecting to the internet. WoW!
Wifi is convenient for portable devices & things, but still, a
wired connection is still faster and more reliable, which is
needed for some things. If I'm going to be running a server at
home, such as a BBS, I'd like it to be on a fast and reliable
connection. Ideally, that would be a wired ethernet connection.
I have a smart TV using wifi, and sometimes it won't connect to
wifi when it turns on, for some reason. The TV also has an
ethernet port, and it might be handy to use ethernet with it for
a more reliable connection. I'm not going to be moving the TV
around a lot, so it wouldn't really be an inconvenience to use
ethernet with it.
MRO wrote to HusTler <=-
what if all this wireless shit everywhere is giving us cancer that will popup in 30 years
Moondog wrote to HusTler <=-
Labor would be the larger cost factor than the price of Cat6, however pulling the extra runs while pulling electric wouldn't add too much to
the cost. Depending on the size of the home or density of walls, installing wired ethernet for feeding and powering wireless acces
points might be a good idea.
Re: battery drain
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sun Oct 13 2019 10:36 am
me so that it doesn't lose power. The Millionaire was concerned that leavi a
tablet plugged into power all the time would damage the battery over time.
Is that still a thing? I leave my relatively moden laptop plugged in when i is not in use, and our laptops at work are always on the docking stations when not being lugged to meetings.
pretty sure you should unplug it and let it run down periodically.
i had a laptop that i would keep plugged in all the time and battery went to shit.
In the 80s, I remember seeing things fairly often to promote the metric system >nd that it would be good to learn it. I haven't seen metric promo material in
long time, and I'm not sure if the USA even has plans to switch to metric any
ime soon.
IPV6 will redefine "screwed" for all of us.
Imagine when your refrigerator, AC outlets, Alexa and all of your PCs and phone
have public IP addresses?
I'd have a bad feeling about drilling through the ceiling/floor like that. Do
n't seem quite like the "right" way to do it.
I'd have a bad feeling about drilling through the ceiling/floor like that. Doesn't seem quite like the "right" way to do it.
Re: Smart homes
By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Oct 25 2019 09:38 pm
what if all this wireless shit everywhere is giving us cancer that will pop up in 30 years
We've had signals from radio, TV, wireless land line phones, & cell phones f a very long time. So far I'm not sure if it has added a significant cancer risk or not.
do what i did and drill a hole up from the basement along side the wall a way up.
then shoot your cable up and have the router and shit in the basement.
That's assuming the basement isn't a finished living area as well.
I consider ethernet wiring to be like how pulling coax for cable used to be years ago. It would make sense to pull coax to every room, however some builders would only do it if the customer asked for it. Wall location (whic wall it's coming from) might be off in a default location scheme.
i had a laptop that i would keep plugged in all the time and battery went shit.
Newer/better laptops have built-in battery management to prevent that from happening.
digital man
I am coming into this late so I might have missed what is being discussed here. You don't have to drill through a "visible" place in the floor to string ethernet cable. Lowes sells wall plates with interchangable
sockets. In a couple of places in the house, I have drilled through the
P.S. Both the smart tv and the other ethernet-ready device were both wireless capable as well, IIRC. The device, for whatever reason, could not make and keep a wireless connection even though other things further away from the router could. Never have had an issue with the wired connection.
There are no "private network" blocks in IPv6?
On 10-26-19 10:47, Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Imagine when your refrigerator, AC outlets, Alexa and all of your PCs and phone
have public IP addresses?
There are no "private network" blocks in IPv6?
On 10-25-19 18:27, HusTler wrote to Nightfox <=-
I don't think the cost of installing ethernet would be something
people would be willing to pay for. Nobody wants to plug their devices into the wall to connect to the internet. People want wireless. I don't know what's going on in your state but here in New York 5G just rolled out. The future is wireless. Let's see what security issues will
develope with all these wireless devices connecting to the internet.
WoW!
On 10-26-19 01:36, Moondog wrote to HusTler <=-
Labor would be the larger cost factor than the price of Cat6, however pulling the extra runs while pulling electric wouldn't add too much to
the cost. Depending on the size of the home or density of walls, installing wired ethernet for feeding and powering wireless acces
points might be a good idea.
There are no "private network" blocks in IPv6?
I consider ethernet wiring to be like how pulling coax for cable used to be years ago. It would make sense to pull coax to every room, however some builders would only do it if the customer asked for it. Wall location (which wall it's coming from) might be off in a default location scheme.
When my house was being built, I hired a guy who wired the whole
house with CAT6 cabling. Every room except bathrooms has a wall
jack (including garage). One of the bedrooms, which was planned
to become my "computer room" has 6 wall outlets. The closet of
that room is where all the cables from other rooms come to, and
are hooked up to switch/router/cable modem. Each room's cable
In the 1990's, the Clinton administration said that all of our highways would eventually be converted. There was an expressway near Louisville that either opened a new section or was due to be re-signed during that time. All of the exit signs are in km and miles, for example. They did some of that here and there and spent a lot of money but nothing else ever came of it.
At this point, it would be pretty costly to and probably is not worth that amount of money to convert everything.
I'd have a bad feeling about drilling through the ceiling/floor like
that. Do n't seem quite like the "right" way to do it.
I am coming into this late so I might have missed what is being discussed here. You don't have to drill through a "visible" place in the floor to string ethernet cable. Lowes sells wall plates with interchangable sockets. In a couple of places in the house, I have drilled through the
I'd have a bad feeling about drilling through the ceiling/floor like
that. Doesn't seem quite like the "right" way to do it.
the right way to lay cable is to make a hole and push it through. what do you think your cable installer did?
then shoot your cable up and have the router and shit in the basement.
That's assuming the basement isn't a finished living area as well.
I consider ethernet wiring to be like how pulling coax for cable used
to be years ago. It would make sense to pull coax to every room,
however some builders would only do it if the customer asked for it.
Wall location (whic wall it's coming from) might be off in a default
location scheme.
i would prefer it instead of what i have now. i have a long cable going along my walls.
Re: Smart homes
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Oct 26 2019 10:49 am
I'd have a bad feeling about drilling through the ceiling/floor like
that. Do n't seem quite like the "right" way to do it.
I am coming into this late so I might have missed what is being discuss here. You don't have to drill through a "visible" place in the floor to string ethernet cable. Lowes sells wall plates with interchangable sockets. In a couple of places in the house, I have drilled through the
Yeah, that's what I thought. It sounded like MRO was saying to just drill a hole in the ceiling/floor of the 2nd floor and string an ethernet cable up there from the first floor.
Re: Smart homes
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Oct 26 2019 01:43 pm
I'd have a bad feeling about drilling through the ceiling/floor like
that. Doesn't seem quite like the "right" way to do it.
the right way to lay cable is to make a hole and push it through. what you think your cable installer did?
Normally they put an outlet in the wall and string cable through the wall. They don't drill a hole in the ceiling/floor of the 2nd floor to run cable t the 2nd floor. My house has cable outlets on both floors but I don't see an coax cable strung up the wall through the ceiling/floor.
By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Oct 26 2019 01:52 pm
I consider ethernet wiring to be like how pulling coax for cable used
to be years ago. It would make sense to pull coax to every room,
however some builders would only do it if the customer asked for it.
Wall location (whic wall it's coming from) might be off in a default
location scheme.
i would prefer it instead of what i have now. i have a long cable going along my walls.
Seems like it would be more handy and cleaner to have an ethernet port on th wall with the cable routed inside the wall rather than outside the wall.
On 10-26-19 20:51, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
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Re: IPv6
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sat Oct 26 2019 10:47 am
There are no "private network" blocks in IPv6?
There aren't any defined in RFC1918, but there are addresses defined in IPv6. The original intention of the internet was to have everything accessible and part of the net, not NATed behind a router.
On 10-26-19 21:15, Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-
Or that a house even has a basement. Houses in my area typically don't have basements.
MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
OR DO THEY? My newer laptops only last a few years. they are asus, so
i learned my lesson with them.
regarding batteries, not much has changed in a long time and i'm not so sure we can advance them any further. they just dont last.
can you really make a battery live longer with managment or do they
just die after a set period of usage and time? i'm not so sure it's entirely how you treat it that keeps it viable.
and more reliable than wifi, so I'm a little surprised that ethernet isn't being pre-wired when new houses are built. It would be especially important for those of us who run BBSes at home and want a reliable connection.
Re: Smart homes
By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 09:34 pm
that's too bad because they are good laundry rooms and storage.
Yep. Houses where I am usually have a laundry room somewhere - If it's on t
pretend your first level is your basement and drill a hole through the ceiling/floor in a closet to the upstairs
I'd have a bad feeling about drilling through the ceiling/floor like that.
Nightfox
Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-
I don't think the cost of installing ethernet would be something people would be willing to pay for. Nobody wants to plug their devices into th wall to connect to the internet. People want wireless. I don't know wha going on in your state but here in New York 5G just rolled out. The fut is wireless. Let's see what security issues will develope with all thes wireless devices connecting to the internet. WoW!
Partially true. I want wireless *AND* wired.
Wifi is convenient for portable devices & things, but still, a
wired connection is still faster and more reliable, which is
needed for some things. If I'm going to be running a server at
home, such as a BBS, I'd like it to be on a fast and reliable connection. Ideally, that would be a wired ethernet connection.
Absolutely.
I have a smart TV using wifi, and sometimes it won't connect to
wifi when it turns on, for some reason. The TV also has an
ethernet port, and it might be handy to use ethernet with it for
a more reliable connection. I'm not going to be moving the TV
around a lot, so it wouldn't really be an inconvenience to use
ethernet with it.
When my house was being built, I hired a guy who wired the whole
house with CAT6 cabling. Every room except bathrooms has a wall
jack (including garage). One of the bedrooms, which was planned
to become my "computer room" has 6 wall outlets. The closet of
that room is where all the cables from other rooms come to, and
are hooked up to switch/router/cable modem. Each room's cable
goes up inside the wall to the attic and comes to the closet as
mentioned above, where they come down inside the wall as a "trunk"
and are connected to a patch panel. Then I just use short patch
cords to connect them to a 24port switch. All of this was done
when the walls were just studs and footers/headers so it was not
too difficult. I have since added/moved a few using fishtapes and
drilling more small holes in the headers, which is *NOT* a fun
thing to do, but it's possible. Of course I also have WiFi in the
house for mobile stuff, but very happy I had this done.
... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
Moondog wrote to HusTler <=-
Labor would be the larger cost factor than the price of Cat6, however pulling the extra runs while pulling electric wouldn't add too much to the cost. Depending on the size of the home or density of walls, installing wired ethernet for feeding and powering wireless acces points might be a good idea.
I don't know how many times while doing an office building install that I'd get the general contractor in with the wiring contractors to go over a schedule - making sure the wiring contractors came in before the sheetrock, so they could do their in-wall runs easily and cheaply.
Guaranteed, the wiring contractor would miss the schedule, or the GC would plow ahead of schedule, and when the wiring contractor came in, there were freshly rocked walls to have to cut/patch/etc. Aggravating!
... Into the impossible
I'd have a bad feeling about drilling through the ceiling/floor like that. n't seem quite like the "right" way to do it.
I am coming into this late so I might have missed what is being discussed here. You don't have to drill through a "visible" place in the floor to string ethernet cable. Lowes sells wall plates with interchangable
sockets. In a couple of places in the house, I have drilled through the "floor" between the walls, just like they did for the electrics when they built the house, and ran cable up to a hole in the wall that has one of those plates over it. I installed three ethernet ports for my (now defuct) smart tv and another ethernet-ready device in my den, and another couple of ports (to link those to the home network) in my office room. Ran the wires under the floor (I do have a basement) to an ethernet hub.
I would not swear to it because it was a while back, but I think I even installed a proper junction box behind the wall for at least one of them so that the wires come up into it rather than the plate just covering a square hole.
It is easly enough that a dummy like me could handle it all. :)
P.S. Both the smart tv and the other ethernet-ready device were both wireless capable as well, IIRC. The device, for whatever reason, could not make and keep a wireless connection even though other things further away from the router could. Never have had an issue with the wired connection.
Re: Smart homes
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Oct 26 2019 01:26 am
I consider ethernet wiring to be like how pulling coax for cable used t be years ago. It would make sense to pull coax to every room, however s builders would only do it if the customer asked for it. Wall location (which wall it's coming from) might be off in a default location scheme
A lot of houses are built without a customer first buying it though.. Usual
to custom-build a house for them (which I've heard can be significantly mor
Nightfox
Re: Smart homes
By: Moondog to MRO on Sat Oct 26 2019 01:29 am
then shoot your cable up and have the router and shit in the basement.
That's assuming the basement isn't a finished living area as well.
Or that a house even has a basement. Houses in my area typically don't have
Nightfox
Re: Smart homes
By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Oct 26 2019 01:52 pm
I consider ethernet wiring to be like how pulling coax for cable used
to be years ago. It would make sense to pull coax to every room,
however some builders would only do it if the customer asked for it.
Wall location (whic wall it's coming from) might be off in a default
location scheme.
i would prefer it instead of what i have now. i have a long cable going along my walls.
Seems like it would be more handy and cleaner to have an ethernet port on th
Nigtfox
On 10-26-19 21:15, Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-
Or that a house even has a basement. Houses in my area typically don't have basements.
Here in Australia, basements are extremely rare.
Yeah, that's what I thought. It sounded like MRO was saying to just drill a ho
e in the ceiling/floor of the 2nd floor and string an ethernet cable up there f
om the first floor.
OR DO THEY? My newer laptops only last a few years. they are asus, so i learned my lesson with them.
Batteries are still chemical processes. Recharging them reverses the chemic reaction that lets them generate electricity.
On 10-27-19 15:14, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Here in Australia, basements are extremely rare.
so why is that?
Yeah, that's what I thought. It sounded like MRO was saying to just
drill a hole in the ceiling/floor of the 2nd floor and string an
ethernet cable up there from the first floor.
you can do that, too
and more reliable than wifi, so I'm a little surprised that ethernet
isn't being pre-wired when new houses are built. It would be
especially important for those of us who run BBSes at home and want a
reliable connection.
I'd also like to see more homes wired for Ethernet. While we're at it, i'd like to see several USB charging ports in each electrical outlet, perhaps on separate low-voltage wiring with hookups ready for solar. Also, i'd like to see more devices go low-voltage. Even if a laptop requires more current than USB provides, it could still charge the battery overnight from a USB port.
My house was built in 1854, so the only way to get proper heat ducts and
Or that a house even has a basement. Houses in my area typically
don't have
Do they have crawl spaces? Worst case is they don't, and wiring is run on the
outside of the house, then hidden under the siding.
On 10-27-19 15:14, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Here in Australia, basements are extremely rare.
so why is that?
Dunno.
Re: Smart homes
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 2019 01:47 am
Yeah, that's what I thought. It sounded like MRO was saying to just
drill a hole in the ceiling/floor of the 2nd floor and string an
ethernet cable up there from the first floor.
you can do that, too
Too? I thought that's what you were saying.
Or that a house even has a basement. Houses in my area typically don't have basements.
Here in Australia, basements are extremely rare.
so why is that?
Re: Re: Smart homes
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 2019 10:21 pm
On 10-26-19 21:15, Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-
Or that a house even has a basement. Houses in my area typically do have basements.
Here in Australia, basements are extremely rare.
so why is that?
On 10-27-19 21:57, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-
i looked it up and:
+ they dont build a basement to save money.
+ excavation is expensive and often poorly executed
+ builders have poor training so the basement would probably leak
My house was built in 1854, so the only way to get proper heat ducts and
That's quite an old house.. With all the upkeep a house needs, is there any part of the original house left? :P
Re: Smart homes
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sun Oct 27 2019 06:10 pm
My house was built in 1854, so the only way to get proper heat ducts and
That's quite an old house.. With all the upkeep a house needs, is there part of the original house left? :P
Wow. That's pre-civil War. I'd love to take a look at your house. If it's the original. ;-)
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
i know how batteries work.
i dont want a history lesson.
the point is, we hit a wall. the charger stops overcharging now. well hasnt that existed a long time?
If you have base boards on your walls it is possible to remove it to cut a hole behind it, then drill your hole in between the walls, then run the cable through a hole in the base board and install a jack.
Here in Australia, basements are extremely rare.
so why is that?
I've thought about installing outlets that have a couple of USB ports, but I do
't feel like that's as important, because you can easily use USB power adapters
that plug into wall power. I suppose for that matter, there are powerline ethe
net adapters, but those aren't as fast or reliable as actually wiring for ether
et.
I was specifically referring to things like the fact that 16 ounces can either >e 2 cups or 1 pound, etc..
does it really bother you that much that units of measurements have different names and dont have 'meter' on the end?
That's a false argument. If we used it here, we'd still be on imperial measurements. The US is effectively out of step with almost every other country on the planet.
the point is, we hit a wall. the charger stops overcharging now. well hasnt that existed a long time?
No, it hasn't.
If you knew how batteries worked and didn't want a history lesson, whey are complaining about something you (supposedly) know all about?
Here in Australia, basements are extremely rare.
so why is that?
High water table?
Rocky ground?
Not as many tornadoes?
does it really bother you that much that units of measurements have differ names and dont have 'meter' on the end?
If that really bothers someone, they can always put meter on the end... cupmeter, ouncemeter, fuild ouncemeter, etc... :D
That's a false argument. If we used it here, we'd still be on imperial measurements. The US is effectively out of step with almost every other country on the planet.
I don't think converting to metric would fix that last bit.
Re: Smart homes
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 2019 11:19 am
My house was built in 1854, so the only way to get proper heat ducts an
That's quite an old house.. With all the upkeep a house needs, is there any
Nightfox
Re: Smart homes
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 2019 11:56 am
Or that a house even has a basement. Houses in my area typically
don't have
Do they have crawl spaces? Worst case is they don't, and wiring is run the
outside of the house, then hidden under the siding.
Houses here usually do have a crawlspace.
Nightfox
Re: Smart homes
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sun Oct 27 2019 06:10 pm
My house was built in 1854, so the only way to get proper heat ducts and
That's quite an old house.. With all the upkeep a house needs, is there part of the original house left? :P
Wow. That's pre-civil War. I'd love to take a look at your house. If it's
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I was specifically referring to things like the fact that 16 ounces can
either e 2 cups or 1 pound, etc..
Those are different ounces, though. Most things I read, if it is not already obvious, mention "fluid ounces" vs. ounces of weight (that also has a name but I cannot remember it now).
Re: Smart homes
By: HusTler to Moondog on Mon Oct 28 2019 08:21 am
Re: Smart homes
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sun Oct 27 2019 06:10 pm
My house was built in 1854, so the only way to get proper heat du and
That's quite an old house.. With all the upkeep a house needs, is the part of the original house left? :P
Wow. That's pre-civil War. I'd love to take a look at your house. If i the original. ;-)
his basement probably looks like a dungeon.
Re: Re: Smart homes
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Oct 28 2019 06:14 pm
Here in Australia, basements are extremely rare.
so why is that?
High water table?
Rocky ground?
Not as many tornadoes?
i know that's what they say on google, but it's just because they are cheap. and a basement probably wont save you in a tornado.
On 10-28-19 18:15, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-
@VIA: VERT/CAPCITY2
That's a false argument. If we used it here, we'd still be on imperial measurements. The US is effectively out of step with almost every other country on the planet.
I don't think converting to metric would fix that last bit.
Re: Smart homes
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun Oct 27 2019 11:56 am
Or that a house even has a basement. Houses in my area typically
don't have
Do they have crawl spaces? Worst case is they don't, and wiring is run on the
outside of the house, then hidden under the siding.
Houses here usually do have a crawlspace.
It's your basic rectangular colonial style home, except the framing is all of big heavy axe hewn logs. From what I read of the familty that built it, in search of gold. Instead of striking it rich in the creeks, he made a bundle off of building houses. He and his wife had 13 kids and 640 acres of good example, check out the TV series Barnwood Builders. They recover and
Houses here usually do have a crawlspace.
Where's "here"?
Here in California, most houses are built directly on concrete foundations with no basements and no crawl space between the floor of the house and the foundation. Houses built in California do usually have attics however.
his basement probably looks like a dungeon.
The walls look like those from a dungeon, however the space is completely open. In the movies, houses the size of mine strangely have a labyrinth of rooms in the cellar. I have an external cellar door and a stairway that leads to the first floor.
When I was little, they used to tell us in school which side of the house wa safest, however I can't recall which one it was. All I can recall is a 1 ps differnce is enough to pop a roof off a house, and to open all the windows i the house before heading to the basement. This won't help if you're in the path of a tornado, however it will ensure you have a roof if the tornado dro
nearby.
outside of the house, then hidden under the siding.
Houses here usually do have a crawlspace.
Where's "here"?
Here in California, most houses are built directly on concrete foundations w no basements and no crawl space between the floor of the house and the
foundation. Houses built in California do usually have attics however.
And I often drive by houses that are being built, and when they aren't worki on them, the frame of the houses are usually left unprotected, even when it' raining. I'd think exposure to rain could potentially cause problems with t
If that really bothers someone, they can always put meter on the end... cupmeter, ouncemeter, fuild ouncemeter, etc... :D
i actually like that.
but maybe do ometer.
poundometer footometer
When I was little, they used to tell us in school which side of the house was >safest, however I can't recall which one it was. All I can recall is a 1 psi >differnce is enough to pop a roof off a house, and to open all the windows in >the house before heading to the basement. This won't help if you're in the >path of a tornado, however it will ensure you have a roof if the tornado drops
nearby.
Re: Smart homes
By: Moondog to HusTler on Mon Oct 28 2019 06:09 pm
It's your basic rectangular colonial style home, except the framing is al of big heavy axe hewn logs. From what I read of the familty that built i in search of gold. Instead of striking it rich in the creeks, he made a bundle off of building houses. He and his wife had 13 kids and 640 acres good example, check out the TV series Barnwood Builders. They recover an
Facinating story. I'm really into civil war era stuff. I don't know how p e 80's and 90's. One job I was on the wall beams we ran our pipes through we
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man if a house doesnt have an attic, they really went cheap. there's a lot of benefits to an attic.
Re: Smart homes
By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Oct 28 2019 09:41 pm
his basement probably looks like a dungeon.
The walls look like those from a dungeon, however the space is completely open. In the movies, houses the size of mine strangely have a labyrinth rooms in the cellar. I have an external cellar door and a stairway that leads to the first floor.
yep, sounds like the basement of the house my great grandfather built.
do you have 2 stairways? he had one normal one and one for the laundry area with a trap door to make it easy to take down laundry.
or grapes for the grape press.
Re: Re: Smart homes
By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Oct 28 2019 09:52 pm
When I was little, they used to tell us in school which side of the house safest, however I can't recall which one it was. All I can recall is a 1 differnce is enough to pop a roof off a house, and to open all the window the house before heading to the basement. This won't help if you're in t path of a tornado, however it will ensure you have a roof if the tornado
nearby.
a ditch outside is probably safer than a house full of furnature or walls an debris to fall on you.
Re: Smart homes
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Oct 29 2019 01:29 pm
outside of the house, then hidden under the siding.
Houses here usually do have a crawlspace.
Where's "here"?
Here in California, most houses are built directly on concrete foundation no basements and no crawl space between the floor of the house and the
it's not worth putting in a basement because they're gonna burn down from forrest fires anyways. :D
foundation. Houses built in California do usually have attics however.
man if a house doesnt have an attic, they really went cheap. there's a lot o benefits to an attic.
foundation. Houses built in California do usually have attics however.
man if a house doesnt have an attic, they really went cheap. there's a lot of benefits to an attic.
Re: Smart homes
By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Oct 29 2019 10:25 pm
man if a house doesnt have an attic, they really went cheap. there's a of benefits to an attic.
I haven't seen a lot of houses in my area (Oregon) with attics these days.
Nightfox
i'm gonna ask some of my friends in other parts of the country what their experience is. i know overall it was pushed mid to late 70s in the usa.
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