Nightfox wrote to All <=-
I just saw this tonight - Microsoft is going to drop support for 32-bit systems in Windows 10 (though existing 32-bit installs of Windows 10
will still get security updates).
https://bit.ly/2LqN7gD
https://bit.ly/2LqN7gD
Sad news, although I've gotten most of my 16-bit environment (with the exception of some old doors) moved into DOSBOX. I may pre-install 32-bit Windows 10 on a spare drive while I can.
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 08:21 am
Are you using DOSBOX on Linux or Windows to run DOS doors on your BBS? I thought I had heard there were issues using DOSBOX on 64-bit Windows for DOS doors.
Are you using DOSBOX on Linux or Windows to run DOS doors on your
BBS? I thought I had heard there were issues using DOSBOX on 64-bit
Windows for DOS doors.
An interesting subject. I too would like to know what it takes to run 16-bit doors on DOSBOX on a Win64 system. I think you need something like Doorway also to run them.
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 01:32 pm
Doorway is another 16-bit DOS program, and I imagine it might be troublesome to get Doorway working with a 64-bit Windows. Synchronet has its Cioxtrn, which basically does what Doorway does - I'd try Cioxtrn before Doorway.
Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it to work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.
What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 14 2020 02:57 pm
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 08:21 am
Are you using DOSBOX on Linux or Windows to run DOS doors on your BBS? thought I had heard there were issues using DOSBOX on 64-bit Windows fo DOS doors.
An interesting subject. I too would like to know what it takes to run 16-bi doors on DOSBOX on a Win64 system. I think you need something like Doorway also to run them.
Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as handling door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it to work. Right now,
What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?
I don't know..
What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64
platform?
I don't know..
dosbox
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Are you using DOSBOX on Linux or Windows to run DOS doors on your BBS?
I thought I had heard there were issues using DOSBOX on 64-bit Windows
for DOS doors.
Jon Justvig wrote to Nightfox <=-
What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?
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NXVDM looks interesting - it's a way to add a 16-bit VDM into Windows. It'd be nice to get some more headroom; I'm running 32-bit Windows on a box with 8 GB of RAM. I'd like to be able to use the additional RAM instead of being limited to 4GB.
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri May 15 2020 01:49 am
What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64
platform?
I don't know..
dosbox
I thought I had heard there was an issue preventing Synchronet from running 16-bit DOS doors on 64-bit Windows. I seem to remember reading there's a communications handle or something that isn't passed between the two, making a no-go. If anyone had posted a solution, I don't remember.
Nightfox
Man, I just ran over to that website thinking I was missing a wealth of BBS info. :/
Not ribbing you, I totally know how it is to put out $$$ for something that dries up... what had you hosted prior??
okay i hope you appreciate this. i had to transplant this from datastream which is very non standard. this is running on windows 10 64 bit.
whoever had problems just didnt configure it correctly.
https://i.imgur.com/I50SgHx.png
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i still have everything and i could flip it back on.
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm
Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as
handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it
to work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.
I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, but I guess I'd have to read up on it.
What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?
I don't know..
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm
you use doorway to run DOS PROGRAMS. it transmits the screen like an old school vnc.
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Thu May 14 2020 10:06 pm
What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64
platform?
I don't know..
dosbox
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri May 15 2020 01:49 am
I thought I had heard there was an issue preventing Synchronet from running 16-bit DOS doors on 64-bit Windows. I seem to remember reading there's a communications handle or something that isn't passed between the two, making it a no-go. If anyone had posted a solution, I don't remember.
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i still have everything and i could flip it back on.
I never understood why you took it down.
I've read up on DOSBox and Doorway and it starts to work. When I try to run door on Win64, it displays Doorway intro screen on the telnet screen then ex back to the BBS. Gotta figure out how to get the door game to actually work after Doorway runs. If I can get that to work (it has a 10 minute time limi I've considered registering Doorway.
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: MRO to Jon Justvig on Fri May 15 2020 01:49 am
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm
you use doorway to run DOS PROGRAMS. it transmits the screen like an ol school vnc.
I think it's not processing the extra parameters needed to run the door game I've been testing with Doorway.
i still have everything and i could flip it back on.
I never understood why you took it down.
I'm always wanting to contribute to BBSing - is there anything you need or could use in order to continue the project? Would it be help for someone to host or costs or.... ??
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Jon Justvig to MRO on Sat May 16 2020 01:23 pm
i sent you a direct msg via qwk with my email address.
just dont use doorway to run a doorgame. even if you get it working right it will be shitty.
i have a LOT of experience with doorway. i have it on my bbses running dos games as doorgames. BUT, you dont want to run a regular doorgame using doorway.
just dont use doorway for this. wrong tool for the job.
I thought I had heard there was an issue preventing Synchronet from
running 16-bit DOS doors on 64-bit Windows. I seem to remember
reading there's a communications handle or something that isn't
passed between the two, making it a no-go. If anyone had posted a
solution, I don't remember.
It might just work with Mystic. Haven't tried Synchronet Win64 with
door 16bit ones yet with Doorway. Doorway handles communication handles.
so wait... you're going to be setting the doors to run in local mode so you use doorway for them? you shouldn't have to do that... doorway is mainly for running regular DOS programs over the wire... not doors... doors already hav comms routines and they're most likely going to conflict with what doorway i trying to do...
Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as
handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it
to work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.
I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, but I guess I'd have to
read up on it.
To run DOS 16-bit doors on a Win64-bit machine.
16bit ones yet with Doorway. Doorway handles communication handles.
I just saw this tonight - Microsoft is going to drop support for 32-bit systems in Windows 10 (though existing 32-bit installs of Windows 10 will still get security updates).
https://bit.ly/2LqN7gD
Full URL:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/rip-microsoft-to-drop-suppor t-f or-windows-10-on-32-bit-systems/
For BBS sysops running (or wanting to run) on a 32-bit Windows 10 for DOS door support, it sounds like we might have to stick with an older build of Windows 10 for the 32-bit support.
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Thu May 14 2020 05:57 pm
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 01:32 pm
Doorway is another 16-bit DOS program, and I imagine it might be troublesome to get Doorway working with a 64-bit Windows. Synchronet has its Cioxtrn, which basically does what Doorway does - I'd try Cioxtrn before Doorway.
Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it to work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.
What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Thu May 14 2020 10:06 pm
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm
Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as
handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it
to work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.
I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, but I guess I'd have to read up on it.
To run DOS 16-bit doors on a Win64-bit machine.
What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?
I don't know..
I've read up on DOSBox and Doorway and it starts to work. When I try to run a door on Win64, it displays Doorway intro screen on the telnet screen then exits back to the BBS. Gotta figure out how to get the door game to actually work after Doorway runs. If I can get that to work (it has a 10 minute time limit) I've considered registering Doorway.
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm
Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as
handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it to
work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.
What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?
With Synchronet, I recommend running a 16-bit DOS doors on a 32-bit Windows version in a VM on Win10-64. That's how I do it anyway.
"Microsoft states that they will are still committed to supporting users running older hardware and will continue to make 32-bit media available in non-OEM channels."
... still, the writing is on the wall.
Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun May 17 2020 04:20 pm
"Microsoft states that they will are still committed to supporting users running older hardware and will continue to make 32-bit media available in non-OEM channels."
... still, the writing is on the wall.
Yep, I saw that in the article. It seems existing 32-bit installations will still get updates, but there will be no more new 32-bit installations. It sounded like new PCs will only get 64-bit Windows from now on. This is probably the beginning of Microsoft phasing out 32-bit Windows.
I am experimenting getting to get a 16-bit DOS door to run on DOSBOX via Doorway/Win64. Doesn't like it's gonna happen anytime soon. It seems more painful than beneficial.
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Jon Justvig to Digital Man on Sun May 17 2020 06:39 pm
I am experimenting getting to get a 16-bit DOS door to run on DOSBOX
via Doorway/Win64. Doesn't like it's gonna happen anytime soon. It
seems more painful than beneficial.
i thought you werent going to use doorway.
if you want i'll give you bbsdosbox and you can run doors that way if you want.
honestly you should use a vm with 32bit windows. makes it super easy to backup, too.
I didn't get the "no more new 32-bit installations" part. Just no new (OEM) 32-bit systems. But I agree, it's the beginning of a phase-out.
if you want i'll give you bbsdosbox and you can run doors that way if
you want.
if you want i'll give you bbsdosbox and you can run doors that way
if you want.
Which dosbox is this? Is there a linux build by chance?
Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun May 17 2020 06:59 pm
I didn't get the "no more new 32-bit installations" part. Just no new (OEM) 32-bit systems. But I agree, it's the beginning of a phase-out.
The article says:
Microsoft has stated that future versions of Windows 10, starting with the May 2020 Update, will no longer be available as 32-bit builds on new OEM computers.
It sounded like Microsoft will no longer be making 32-bit builds available to OEMs, and will only be providing 64-bit builds of Windows to OEMs for new machines in the future (but will continue to support existing 32-bit installations).
It sounded like Microsoft will no longer be making 32-bit builds available t OEMs, and will only be providing 64-bit builds of Windows to OEMs for new machines in the future (but will continue to support existing 32-bit installations).
16bit ones yet with Doorway. Doorway handles communication handles.
Ah, I see.
Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 2020 11:24 am
16bit ones yet with Doorway. Doorway handles communication
handles.
Ah, I see.
I only messed with that briefly. Someone suggested linux and dosemu. After some guidance from the peeps around here it works (mostly) well.
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