• Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10

    From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to All on Thu May 14 00:37:31 2020
    I just saw this tonight - Microsoft is going to drop support for 32-bit systems in Windows 10 (though existing 32-bit installs of Windows 10 will still get security updates).

    https://bit.ly/2LqN7gD

    Full URL:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/rip-microsoft-to-drop-support-f or-windows-10-on-32-bit-systems/

    For BBS sysops running (or wanting to run) on a 32-bit Windows 10 for DOS door support, it sounds like we might have to stick with an older build of Windows 10 for the 32-bit support.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thu May 14 12:21:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to All <=-

    I just saw this tonight - Microsoft is going to drop support for 32-bit systems in Windows 10 (though existing 32-bit installs of Windows 10
    will still get security updates).

    https://bit.ly/2LqN7gD

    Sad news, although I've gotten most of my 16-bit environment (with the exception of some old doors) moved into DOSBOX. I may pre-install 32-bit Windows 10 on a spare drive while I can.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 14 18:57:26 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 08:21 am

    https://bit.ly/2LqN7gD

    Sad news, although I've gotten most of my 16-bit environment (with the exception of some old doors) moved into DOSBOX. I may pre-install 32-bit Windows 10 on a spare drive while I can.

    Are you using DOSBOX on Linux or Windows to run DOS doors on your BBS? I thought I had heard there were issues using DOSBOX on 64-bit Windows for DOS doors.

    Nightfox

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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to Nightfox on Thu May 14 17:32:35 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 14 2020 02:57 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 08:21 am

    Are you using DOSBOX on Linux or Windows to run DOS doors on your BBS? I thought I had heard there were issues using DOSBOX on 64-bit Windows for DOS doors.

    An interesting subject. I too would like to know what it takes to run 16-bit doors on DOSBOX on a Win64 system. I think you need something like Doorway also to run them.

    -cr1mson

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jon Justvig on Thu May 14 21:57:53 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 01:32 pm

    Are you using DOSBOX on Linux or Windows to run DOS doors on your
    BBS? I thought I had heard there were issues using DOSBOX on 64-bit
    Windows for DOS doors.

    An interesting subject. I too would like to know what it takes to run 16-bit doors on DOSBOX on a Win64 system. I think you need something like Doorway also to run them.

    Doorway is another 16-bit DOS program, and I imagine it might be troublesome to get Doorway working with a 64-bit Windows. Synchronet has its Cioxtrn, which basically does what Doorway does - I'd try Cioxtrn before Doorway.

    I seem to remember reading that there's a communications handle or something that isn't passed between DOSBOX and Synchronet on Windows 64-bit, which was the main reason why it generally doesn't work. But I might not be remembering correctly.

    Nightfox

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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to Nightfox on Thu May 14 21:53:17 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Thu May 14 2020 05:57 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 01:32 pm

    Doorway is another 16-bit DOS program, and I imagine it might be troublesome to get Doorway working with a 64-bit Windows. Synchronet has its Cioxtrn, which basically does what Doorway does - I'd try Cioxtrn before Doorway.

    Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it to work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.

    What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?

    -cr1mson

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jon Justvig on Fri May 15 02:06:19 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm

    Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it to work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.

    I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, but I guess I'd have to read up on it.

    What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?

    I don't know..

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jon Justvig on Fri May 15 05:47:17 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 01:32 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 14 2020 02:57 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 08:21 am

    Are you using DOSBOX on Linux or Windows to run DOS doors on your BBS? thought I had heard there were issues using DOSBOX on 64-bit Windows fo DOS doors.

    An interesting subject. I too would like to know what it takes to run 16-bi doors on DOSBOX on a Win64 system. I think you need something like Doorway also to run them.



    i have 'bbs dosbox' if anybody wants it. you can only have one player at a time due to file locking
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jon Justvig on Fri May 15 05:49:20 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm

    Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as handling door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it to work. Right now,


    you use doorway to run DOS PROGRAMS. it transmits the screen like an old school vnc.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Fri May 15 05:49:56 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Thu May 14 2020 10:06 pm

    What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?

    I don't know..

    dosbox
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Fri May 15 12:43:08 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri May 15 2020 01:49 am

    What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64
    platform?

    I don't know..

    dosbox

    I thought I had heard there was an issue preventing Synchronet from running 16-bit DOS doors on 64-bit Windows. I seem to remember reading there's a communications handle or something that isn't passed between the two, making it a no-go. If anyone had posted a solution, I don't remember.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Fri May 15 10:40:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Are you using DOSBOX on Linux or Windows to run DOS doors on your BBS?
    I thought I had heard there were issues using DOSBOX on 64-bit Windows
    for DOS doors.

    I'm running under 32-bit Windows now, and I'm running an old copy of Global War. No one uses it any more, I'm connected to BBSlink for games to build a larger audience.

    I meant running DOSBOX for the BBS utilities made for DOS, like MakeNL.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Jon Justvig on Fri May 15 10:59:00 2020
    Jon Justvig wrote to Nightfox <=-

    What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?

    NXVDM looks interesting - it's a way to add a 16-bit VDM into Windows. It'd
    be nice to get some more headroom; I'm running 32-bit Windows on a box with
    8 GB of RAM. I'd like to be able to use the additional RAM instead of being limited to 4GB.


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  • From paulie420@VERT/PAULIE42 to MRO on Fri May 15 10:54:03 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: MRO to Jon Justvig on Fri May 15 2020 01:49 am

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    Man, I just ran over to that website thinking I was missing a wealth of BBS info. :/

    Not ribbing you, I totally know how it is to put out $$$ for something that dries up... what had you hosted prior??

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 15 16:18:08 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jon Justvig on Fri May 15 2020 06:59 am

    NXVDM looks interesting - it's a way to add a 16-bit VDM into Windows. It'd be nice to get some more headroom; I'm running 32-bit Windows on a box with 8 GB of RAM. I'd like to be able to use the additional RAM instead of being limited to 4GB.

    When I built my current BBS machine years ago, initially I only put 4GB of RAM in it and installed a 32-bit Windows on it to run my BBS. Several years later, I wanted to be able to use more than 4GB of RAM.. I decided to go ahead and upgrade its RAM to 16GB and install a 64-bit Linux on it, where I'm now running a Plex server (among other things), and I have my BBS running in a 32-bit Windows VM on that machine. I've configured the VM for 2GB of RAM, since the BBS is all I'm running in it. I've considered migrating my BBS over to Linux so I can eliminate the VM altogether..

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sat May 16 01:39:24 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri May 15 2020 08:43 am

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri May 15 2020 01:49 am

    What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64
    platform?

    I don't know..

    dosbox

    I thought I had heard there was an issue preventing Synchronet from running 16-bit DOS doors on 64-bit Windows. I seem to remember reading there's a communications handle or something that isn't passed between the two, making a no-go. If anyone had posted a solution, I don't remember.

    Nightfox


    okay i hope you appreciate this. i had to transplant this from datastream which is very non standard. this is running on windows 10 64 bit.

    whoever had problems just didnt configure it correctly.

    https://i.imgur.com/I50SgHx.png
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Sat May 16 01:43:12 2020
    Re: BBSes.info
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Fri May 15 2020 06:54 am

    Man, I just ran over to that website thinking I was missing a wealth of BBS info. :/

    Not ribbing you, I totally know how it is to put out $$$ for something that dries up... what had you hosted prior??

    i made sure i got use out of it for myself.

    radio / forums / bbstorrents / bbsbanner / bbslist
    img hosting service, irc, web hosting for sysops, vps hosting, other stuff.

    i still have everything and i could flip it back on.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Sat May 16 03:04:41 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri May 15 2020 09:39 pm

    okay i hope you appreciate this. i had to transplant this from datastream which is very non standard. this is running on windows 10 64 bit.

    whoever had problems just didnt configure it correctly.

    https://i.imgur.com/I50SgHx.png

    I guess I'll have to take your word for it that that's a 64-bit Windows, as I see no indication there that it is such.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Sat May 16 12:35:00 2020
    MRO wrote to paulie420 <=-

    radio / forums / bbstorrents / bbsbanner / bbslist
    img hosting service, irc, web hosting for sysops, vps hosting, other stuff.

    i still have everything and i could flip it back on.

    I never understood why you took it down.


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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to Nightfox on Sat May 16 17:22:29 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Thu May 14 2020 10:06 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm

    Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as
    handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it
    to work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.

    I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, but I guess I'd have to read up on it.

    To run DOS 16-bit doors on a Win64-bit machine.

    What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?

    I don't know..

    I've read up on DOSBox and Doorway and it starts to work. When I try to run a door on Win64, it displays Doorway intro screen on the telnet screen then exits back to the BBS. Gotta figure out how to get the door game to actually work after Doorway runs. If I can get that to work (it has a 10 minute time limit) I've considered registering Doorway.

    -cr1mson

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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to MRO on Sat May 16 17:23:56 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: MRO to Jon Justvig on Fri May 15 2020 01:49 am

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm

    you use doorway to run DOS PROGRAMS. it transmits the screen like an old school vnc.

    I think it's not processing the extra parameters needed to run the door game I've been testing with Doorway.

    -cr1mson

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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to MRO on Sat May 16 17:24:57 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri May 15 2020 01:49 am

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Thu May 14 2020 10:06 pm

    What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64
    platform?

    I don't know..

    dosbox

    Just about got it figured out. Tried Pimpwars. Gonna try a different door just to make sure it works such a BRE.

    -cr1mson

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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to Nightfox on Sat May 16 17:26:58 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri May 15 2020 08:43 am

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri May 15 2020 01:49 am

    I thought I had heard there was an issue preventing Synchronet from running 16-bit DOS doors on 64-bit Windows. I seem to remember reading there's a communications handle or something that isn't passed between the two, making it a no-go. If anyone had posted a solution, I don't remember.

    It might just work with Mystic. Haven't tried Synchronet Win64 with door 16bit ones yet with Doorway. Doorway handles communication handles.

    -cr1mson

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  • From paulie420@VERT/PAULIE42 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 16 18:55:03 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes.info
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Sat May 16 2020 08:35 am

    MRO wrote to paulie420 <=-

    radio / forums / bbstorrents / bbsbanner / bbslist
    img hosting service, irc, web hosting for sysops, vps hosting, other
    stuff.

    i still have everything and i could flip it back on.

    I never understood why you took it down.

    I'm always wanting to contribute to BBSing - is there anything you need or could use in order to continue the project? Would it be help for someone to host or costs or.... ??

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 02:49:58 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Sat May 16 2020 01:22 pm

    I've read up on DOSBox and Doorway and it starts to work. When I try to run door on Win64, it displays Doorway intro screen on the telnet screen then ex back to the BBS. Gotta figure out how to get the door game to actually work after Doorway runs. If I can get that to work (it has a 10 minute time limi I've considered registering Doorway.



    hold on, i think you are doing everything wrong.

    are you loading up dosbox and then having it run doorway?
    if you run a door via doorway that's just not a good way to do it. doorway redirects the output to the user. it doesnt really do a good job of that. also you have to remove the bottom bar that most doors have. it's like the user is on the host machine playing the game locally. you do not want that.

    if you want the 'bbs dosbox' that deuce put together let me know. it might even be on vert.

    why dont you email me and give me some screenshots and tell me what doors you want to run.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 02:53:15 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to MRO on Sat May 16 2020 01:23 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: MRO to Jon Justvig on Fri May 15 2020 01:49 am

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm

    you use doorway to run DOS PROGRAMS. it transmits the screen like an ol school vnc.

    I think it's not processing the extra parameters needed to run the door game I've been testing with Doorway.


    i sent you a direct msg via qwk with my email address.
    just dont use doorway to run a doorgame. even if you get it working right it will be shitty.

    i have a LOT of experience with doorway. i have it on my bbses running dos games as doorgames. BUT, you dont want to run a regular doorgame using doorway.

    just dont use doorway for this. wrong tool for the job.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Sun May 17 02:56:09 2020
    Re: Re: BBSes.info
    By: paulie420 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 16 2020 02:55 pm

    i still have everything and i could flip it back on.

    I never understood why you took it down.

    I'm always wanting to contribute to BBSing - is there anything you need or could use in order to continue the project? Would it be help for someone to host or costs or.... ??


    i have plenty of money. it's mine and i took it away because i wanted to.

    i've been involved with bbsing and even i cant think of a way you can contribute to bbsing.
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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to MRO on Sun May 17 04:35:19 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: MRO to Jon Justvig on Sat May 16 2020 10:53 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to MRO on Sat May 16 2020 01:23 pm

    i sent you a direct msg via qwk with my email address.
    just dont use doorway to run a doorgame. even if you get it working right it will be shitty.

    Got the message, thanks. I think I'll take the advice and just run DOS doors on my SBBS/VM.

    i have a LOT of experience with doorway. i have it on my bbses running dos games as doorgames. BUT, you dont want to run a regular doorgame using doorway.

    Ahhh... I see.

    just dont use doorway for this. wrong tool for the job.

    Sounds good.

    -cr1mson

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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 12:25:57 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Sat May 16 2020 13:26:58


    I thought I had heard there was an issue preventing Synchronet from
    running 16-bit DOS doors on 64-bit Windows. I seem to remember
    reading there's a communications handle or something that isn't
    passed between the two, making it a no-go. If anyone had posted a
    solution, I don't remember.

    It might just work with Mystic. Haven't tried Synchronet Win64 with
    door 16bit ones yet with Doorway. Doorway handles communication handles.

    so wait... you're going to be setting the doors to run in local mode so you can use doorway for them? you shouldn't have to do that... doorway is mainly for running regular DOS programs over the wire... not doors... doors already have comms routines and they're most likely going to conflict with what doorway is trying to do...

    the new NTXVDM, NTVDM64 or whatever it is called is the best bet to use to run 16bit DOS doors on 64bit winwhatever... mike (of netfossil [and doorway] fame) has worked with closely the guys doing this new VDM thing to get it working properly for 16bit DOS doors...

    http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/ntvdmx64.html

    https://github.com/leecher1337/ntvdmx64

    mike has also made changes to netfoss/netserial to get them to work in this new environment provided by this new VDM...


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Rampage on Sun May 17 15:41:18 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Rampage to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 2020 08:25 am

    so wait... you're going to be setting the doors to run in local mode so you use doorway for them? you shouldn't have to do that... doorway is mainly for running regular DOS programs over the wire... not doors... doors already hav comms routines and they're most likely going to conflict with what doorway i trying to do...


    well you can do that. i did it when they didnt have routines for fossil. doorway is feature rich so i removed the status bar and the drop to dos.
    BUT.. still it's an ugly hack and sometimes the output to the remote end isnt perfect.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 15:24:26 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Sat May 16 2020 01:22 pm

    Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as
    handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it
    to work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.

    I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, but I guess I'd have to
    read up on it.

    To run DOS 16-bit doors on a Win64-bit machine.

    I meant, why can't you just run the door more directly? Why do you need Doorway (which is another 16-bit DOS application)? I'd have to read up on it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 15:24:42 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Sat May 16 2020 01:26 pm

    16bit ones yet with Doorway. Doorway handles communication handles.

    Ah, I see.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sun May 17 20:20:03 2020
    Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to All on Wed May 13 2020 08:37 pm

    I just saw this tonight - Microsoft is going to drop support for 32-bit systems in Windows 10 (though existing 32-bit installs of Windows 10 will still get security updates).

    https://bit.ly/2LqN7gD

    Full URL:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/rip-microsoft-to-drop-suppor t-f or-windows-10-on-32-bit-systems/

    For BBS sysops running (or wanting to run) on a 32-bit Windows 10 for DOS door support, it sounds like we might have to stick with an older build of Windows 10 for the 32-bit support.

    "Microsoft states that they will are still committed to supporting users running older hardware and will continue to make 32-bit media available in non-OEM channels."

    ... still, the writing is on the wall.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 20:23:22 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Thu May 14 2020 05:57 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 01:32 pm

    Doorway is another 16-bit DOS program, and I imagine it might be troublesome to get Doorway working with a 64-bit Windows. Synchronet has its Cioxtrn, which basically does what Doorway does - I'd try Cioxtrn before Doorway.

    Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it to work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.

    What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?

    With Synchronet, I recommend running a 16-bit DOS doors on a 32-bit Windows version in a VM on Win10-64. That's how I do it anyway.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 20:32:51 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Sat May 16 2020 01:22 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Thu May 14 2020 10:06 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm

    Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as
    handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it
    to work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.

    I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, but I guess I'd have to read up on it.

    To run DOS 16-bit doors on a Win64-bit machine.

    What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?

    I don't know..

    I've read up on DOSBox and Doorway and it starts to work. When I try to run a door on Win64, it displays Doorway intro screen on the telnet screen then exits back to the BBS. Gotta figure out how to get the door game to actually work after Doorway runs. If I can get that to work (it has a 10 minute time limit) I've considered registering Doorway.

    Doorway is intended for running non-door games as doors. A door game, by definition, should not need or benefit from the use of Doorway.

    digital man

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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to Digital Man on Sun May 17 22:39:11 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Digital Man to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 2020 04:23 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Nightfox on Thu May 14 2020 05:53 pm

    Running Doorway inside DOSBox is what I was referring to as far as
    handling the door games. I've read about it, but haven't gotten it to
    work. Right now, I run my BBSes on a *nix VM and a vServer.

    What's the best method to run 16-bit door games on a Win64 platform?

    With Synchronet, I recommend running a 16-bit DOS doors on a 32-bit Windows version in a VM on Win10-64. That's how I do it anyway.

    I too use a VM on Win10-64 that uses DOSEMU to run 16-bit DOS doors. For the most part, they usually work just fine with some tweaking.

    I am experimenting getting to get a 16-bit DOS door to run on DOSBOX via Doorway/Win64. Doesn't like it's gonna happen anytime soon. It seems more painful than beneficial.

    -cr1mson

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Sun May 17 22:16:06 2020
    Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun May 17 2020 04:20 pm

    "Microsoft states that they will are still committed to supporting users running older hardware and will continue to make 32-bit media available in non-OEM channels."

    ... still, the writing is on the wall.

    Yep, I saw that in the article. It seems existing 32-bit installations will still get updates, but there will be no more new 32-bit installations. It sounded like new PCs will only get 64-bit Windows from now on. This is probably the beginning of Microsoft phasing out 32-bit Windows.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Sun May 17 22:59:20 2020
    Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Sun May 17 2020 06:16 pm

    Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun May 17 2020 04:20 pm

    "Microsoft states that they will are still committed to supporting users running older hardware and will continue to make 32-bit media available in non-OEM channels."

    ... still, the writing is on the wall.

    Yep, I saw that in the article. It seems existing 32-bit installations will still get updates, but there will be no more new 32-bit installations. It sounded like new PCs will only get 64-bit Windows from now on. This is probably the beginning of Microsoft phasing out 32-bit Windows.

    I didn't get the "no more new 32-bit installations" part. Just no new (OEM) 32-bit systems. But I agree, it's the beginning of a phase-out.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Jon Justvig on Mon May 18 01:10:11 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Digital Man on Sun May 17 2020 06:39 pm


    I am experimenting getting to get a 16-bit DOS door to run on DOSBOX via Doorway/Win64. Doesn't like it's gonna happen anytime soon. It seems more painful than beneficial.


    i thought you werent going to use doorway.
    if you want i'll give you bbsdosbox and you can run doors that way if you want.

    honestly you should use a vm with 32bit windows. makes it super easy to backup, too.
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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to MRO on Mon May 18 01:48:11 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: MRO to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 2020 09:10 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Jon Justvig to Digital Man on Sun May 17 2020 06:39 pm

    I am experimenting getting to get a 16-bit DOS door to run on DOSBOX
    via Doorway/Win64. Doesn't like it's gonna happen anytime soon. It
    seems more painful than beneficial.

    i thought you werent going to use doorway.
    if you want i'll give you bbsdosbox and you can run doors that way if you want.

    That thought it correct. I'm probably not going to use Doorway for that purpose unless perhaps I get an extra box to use for a standalone system.

    honestly you should use a vm with 32bit windows. makes it super easy to backup, too.

    That's what I currently use. I use a Ubuntu/64bit VM on Win/64bit platform. It's pretty simple and straight forward. I just like trying new things and enjoy learning. It seems like a task that could be used in case if Win32 would ever be eliminated.

    -cr1mson

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Mon May 18 00:41:44 2020
    Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun May 17 2020 06:59 pm

    I didn't get the "no more new 32-bit installations" part. Just no new (OEM) 32-bit systems. But I agree, it's the beginning of a phase-out.

    The article says:
    Microsoft has stated that future versions of Windows 10, starting with the May 2020 Update, will no longer be available as 32-bit builds on new OEM computers.

    It sounded like Microsoft will no longer be making 32-bit builds available to OEMs, and will only be providing 64-bit builds of Windows to OEMs for new machines in the future (but will continue to support existing 32-bit installations).

    Nightfox

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  • From ryan@VERT/MONTEREY to MRO on Mon May 18 06:36:00 2020
    if you want i'll give you bbsdosbox and you can run doors that way if
    you want.

    Which dosbox is this? Is there a linux build by chance?

    I've been using doornode which has worked pretty well for bog-standard
    dosbox, but I'm curious if there's an alternative.

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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to ryan on Mon May 18 09:27:33 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: ryan to MRO on Mon May 18 2020 02:36 am

    if you want i'll give you bbsdosbox and you can run doors that way
    if you want.

    Which dosbox is this? Is there a linux build by chance?

    I wondered about that myself. If bbsdosbox is just DOSBox?

    -cr1mson

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Mon May 18 16:59:11 2020
    Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Sun May 17 2020 08:41 pm

    Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun May 17 2020 06:59 pm

    I didn't get the "no more new 32-bit installations" part. Just no new (OEM) 32-bit systems. But I agree, it's the beginning of a phase-out.

    The article says:
    Microsoft has stated that future versions of Windows 10, starting with the May 2020 Update, will no longer be available as 32-bit builds on new OEM computers.

    It sounded like Microsoft will no longer be making 32-bit builds available to OEMs, and will only be providing 64-bit builds of Windows to OEMs for new machines in the future (but will continue to support existing 32-bit installations).

    Yup. I got that message. That doesn't mean you won't be able to buy a 32-bit flavor of Windows 10 to run on your own (non-OEM) system.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon May 18 21:47:33 2020
    Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Sun May 17 2020 08:41 pm


    It sounded like Microsoft will no longer be making 32-bit builds available t OEMs, and will only be providing 64-bit builds of Windows to OEMs for new machines in the future (but will continue to support existing 32-bit installations).


    i dont even think as a consumer i have seen a windows 32bit oem desktop on the market since vista.

    i'm sure there are a few if you REALLY look, but just by visiting stores and looking online, i havent came across one in a long time.
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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Nightfox on Tue May 19 23:20:35 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 2020 11:24 am

    16bit ones yet with Doorway. Doorway handles communication handles.

    Ah, I see.

    I only messed with that briefly. Someone suggested linux and dosemu. After some guidance from the peeps around here it works (mostly) well.

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  • From Jon Justvig@VERT/STEPPING to The Lizard Master on Wed May 20 04:48:06 2020
    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: The Lizard Master to Nightfox on Tue May 19 2020 07:20 pm

    Re: Re: Microsoft ending 32-bit support in Windows 10
    By: Nightfox to Jon Justvig on Sun May 17 2020 11:24 am

    16bit ones yet with Doorway. Doorway handles communication
    handles.

    Ah, I see.

    I only messed with that briefly. Someone suggested linux and dosemu. After some guidance from the peeps around here it works (mostly) well.

    Peeps are good that way. :)

    -cr1mson

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