Years ago i heard watchdog groups warning about streaming media and content which requires the application to "call home" occasionally to be played. imagine what it would be like in the future to pull out an media format and player that's no longer in use, and it won't work because the server it checks in with is no longer active? The same applies to video games. If your games will not run offline and a service such as steam no longer exists, theyre' pretty much locked on the old system they were installed on.
Yeah, I still like having broadcast over-the-air radio..
Superheterodyne circuitry has nothing to do with tracking, and has been the standard for decoding broadcasts since the 1920s.
There is still so many reason for broadcast radio, just for emergency situation, that's the think that is easy to make work even when the
other infrastructures are down.
Live radio can still bring so much
Yah, there where theses Divx disk and some hd dvd ( not the divx video format ) that could only play if the play could "call home" and check if the disk wasn't pirated, but yeah they close, shut the server down and your disk that you paid don't play anymore.
"In intelligence operations, local oscillator radiation gives a means to detect a covert receiver and its operating frequency. The method was
Ennev wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yeah, I still like having broadcast over-the-air radio..
There is still so many reason for broadcast radio, just for emergency situation, that's the think that is easy to make work even when the
other infrastructures are down.
Live radio can still bring so much
Ennev wrote to Underminer <=-
And now that I think of it, BBC is supposedly having "detector van" to bust people that where watching tv without the proper tv license.
This is a requirement for me when purchasing cell phones. My phones must be able to receive FM radio. I live in a hurricane area, so it's nice to not have to always have a radio on me and not depend on the Internet always being available or have to power an additional device.
Ennev wrote to Underminer <=-
And now that I think of it, BBC is supposedly having "detector van" to bust people that where watching tv without the proper tv license.
Detecting old oscillators is an interesting trick, but I'm pretty sure the technology won't work anymore. Modern chips and circuits are incredibly efficient, and they are specifically designed to keep noise to a minimum.
It may work for some very cheap radios, I suppose.
Perhaps that's what led to the BBC's detector vans. That may have worked, again, years ago by listening for the noise of CRT televisions, but now
with modern screens and electronics...
Theoretically, you *could* dial in to very specific frequencies with very sensitive equipment, but you would need to know the *exact* location of
the equipment you want to listen in on, plus already have experience with the exact models. And, I'm pretty sure distance will be a huge factor.
It's been demonstrated you can actually decode the letters on an LCD
screen, but that was just research. I've never heard of it being successful in the wild.
On 07-24-20 15:36, Dreamer wrote to Ennev <=-
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Ennev wrote to Underminer <=-
And now that I think of it, BBC is supposedly having "detector van" to bust people that where watching tv without the proper tv license.
Detecting old oscillators is an interesting trick, but I'm pretty sure
the technology won't work anymore. Modern chips and circuits are incredibly efficient, and they are specifically designed to keep noise
to a minimum. It may work for some very cheap radios, I suppose.
Theoretically, you *could* dial in to very specific frequencies with
very sensitive equipment, but you would need to know the *exact*
location of the equipment you want to listen in on, plus already have experience with the exact models. And, I'm pretty sure distance will be
a huge factor. It's been demonstrated you can actually decode the
letters on an LCD screen, but that was just research. I've never heard
of it being successful in the wild.
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Ennev wrote to Underminer <=-
Theoretically, you *could* dial in to very specific frequencies with very sensitive equipment, but you would need to know the *exact* location of
the equipment you want to listen in on, plus already have experience with
the exact models. And, I'm pretty sure distance will be a huge factor.
It's been demonstrated you can actually decode the letters on an LCD
screen, but that was just research. I've never heard of it being successful in the wild.
taken from wikipedia :
"In intelligence operations, local oscillator radiation gives a means to detect a covert receiver and its operating frequency. The method was
used by MI-5 during Operation RAFTER.[22] This same technique is also used in radar detector detectors used by traffic police in jurisdictions where radar detectors are illegal. "
I've heard of some phones having an FM radio receiver, but I don't think I've ever actually seen a phone in person playing FM radio. I think some of the smartphones I've had were supposed to have an FM radio tuner, but I never saw any included app to tune in FM radio. I seem to remember reading about smartphones often having the FM tuner disabled, for whatever reason.
Nightfox
I've heard of some phones having an FM radio receiver, but I don't
think I've ever actually seen a phone in person playing FM radio. I
think some of the smartphones I've had were supposed to have an FM
radio tuner, but I never saw any included app to tune in FM radio. I
seem to remember reading about smartphones often having the FM tuner
disabled, for whatever reason.
I think it's exceedingly rare to come across a smartphone with an FM tuner as users tend to go for digital radio.
I think it's exceedingly rare to come across a smartphone with an FM tuner as users tend to go for digital radio. I do own a cheap 20 dollar burner phone which is capable of tuning into AM/FM radio and playing on loud speaker. It's a spare phone, I obviously don't use it on a daily basis!
Many FM radio stations are broadcasting a digital signal these days.. So I'm a little confused on what you mean by "digital radio" - Are you referring to internet streaming radio?
Here in Montreal playing with digital using "HD radio". With my sdr dongle I do see a couple of stations broadcasting that way, it's fun because it's right next to the analog signal, so you still tune a
station on the fm spectrum. But you need a new radio I'm not sure it's bundled in new cars. I guess it will finish like AM stereo, some kind of attempt to bring back listener.
On 2020-07-26 5:06 p.m., Nightfox wrote:
Many FM radio stations are broadcasting a digital signal these days.. So
Here in Montreal playing with digital using "HD radio". With my sdr
dongle I do see a couple of stations broadcasting that way, it's fun
because it's right next to the analog signal, so you still tune a
station on the fm spectrum. But you need a new radio I'm not sure it's bundled in new cars. I guess it will finish like AM stereo, some kind of attempt to bring back listener.
But in truth I'm sure more station would like to go all streaming over
the internet, much cheaper than powering a transmitter and pay licenses
to do so. A lot of TV stations want to go that way too.
Radio is a peculiar media, because it is regional, and a great medium for advertising to potential customers in that region. Even syndicated shows allow for local advertising breaks. I was never much of a radio listener, especially talk radio, until I worked a job that required around an hour travelling to or from work. On occasion I had to travel between sites, and that added more travel time. My car radio had a CD player with mp3 playback option and Ipod support (car was made in 2009) and also had an aux in jack, however most of the time I relied on local news and traffic reports duuring drive times.
Nightfox wrote to Dreamer <=-
Re: Re: Radio GAGA
By: Dreamer to Ennev on Fri Jul 24 2020 03:28 pm
This is a requirement for me when purchasing cell phones. My phones must be able to receive FM radio. I live in a hurricane area, so it's nice to not have to always have a radio on me and not depend on the Internet always being available or have to power an additional device.
I've heard of some phones having an FM radio receiver, but I don't
think I've ever actually seen a phone in person playing FM radio. I
think some of the smartphones I've had were supposed to have an FM
radio tuner, but I never saw any included app to tune in FM radio. I
seem to remember reading about smartphones often having the FM tuner disabled, for whatever reason.
MRO wrote to Andeddu <=-
Re: Re: Radio GAGA
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sun Jul 26 2020 06:17 pm
I think it's exceedingly rare to come across a smartphone with an FM tuner as users tend to go for digital radio. I do own a cheap 20 dollar burner phone which is capable of tuning into AM/FM radio and playing on loud speaker. It's a spare phone, I obviously don't use it on a daily basis!
dunno, my motorola phone is last year's phone and it has a fm tuner.
I've had the misfortune of picking up a phone with a chip that had the FM circuitry, but which had been disabled by the carrier. I switched carriers after that.
I try to research phones before purchasing a different model. Usually I can find some chatter about the FM capabilities. I can tell you that with my current phone, Samsung Galaxy J3 Achieve on Boost Mobile, I don't recall a tuner app being preinstalled. I installed one from Google Play.
MRO wrote to Andeddu <=-
I think, from past research, any phone with the Snapdragon chips is technically
capable of FM reception. I'm pretty sure that's a majority of the market.
I try to research phones before purchasing a different model. Usually I can find some chatter about the FM capabilities. I can tell you that with my current phone, Samsung Galaxy J3 Achieve on Boost Mobile, I don't recall a tuner app being preinstalled. I installed one from Google Play.
Nightfox wrote to Ennev <=-
cars in the US have for a long time.. I remember being in a rented car
in 2004 (a Chevy Impala) and its radio would display the song name & artist being played on the station - I think that can only really be
done with a digital radio signal.
Ennev wrote to Nightfox <=-
On 2020-07-27 11:54 a.m., Nightfox wrote:
sound is actually digital. The title info and wheather etc is carried
by a protocol called RDS (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System ) it's been there for a while and was promising a lot back then having news, weather and all
kind of other text info.
Moondog wrote to Ennev <=-
Radio is a peculiar media, because it is regional, and a great medium
for advertising to potential customers in that region.
I believe that for emergency broadcast that it should be mandatory to have a radio band capacity on phones.
Some stations sent the genre of the station over RDS when you
scanned, so it'd scan the entire dial and give you a list of stations
by genre. Helpful when you were traveling.
I used to listen to a lot of terrestrial talk radio; the internet and
podcasts have taken that over. I tried listening to AM a while ago in
my car to hear the news, but it was all commercials.
I used to listen to a lot of terrestrial talk radio; the internet and podcasts have taken that over. I tried listening to AM a while ago in
my car to hear the news, but it was all commercials.
I'd like to find one where I know it's using the actual FM radio
tuner rather than streaming from the internet.
I try to research phones before purchasing a different model. Usually
I can find some chatter about the FM capabilities. I can tell you that
with my current phone, Samsung Galaxy J3 Achieve on Boost Mobile, I
don't recall a tuner app being preinstalled. I installed one from
Google Play.
On 2020-07-29 7:58 a.m., Dreamer wrote:
MRO wrote to Andeddu <=-
I think, from past research, any phone with the Snapdragon chips is techni capable of FM reception. I'm pretty sure that's a majority of the market.
Yes, apple use theirs own chips, and when they where using chip with fm capabilities the motherboard of the phone wasn't wiring that part of the chip.
I believe that for emergency broadcast that it should be mandatory to
have a radio band capacity on phones.
Many FM radio stations are broadcasting a digital signal these days.. So I'm a little confused on what you mean by "digital radio" - Are you referring to internet streaming radio?
Ennev wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Some stations sent the genre of the station over RDS when you
scanned, so it'd scan the entire dial and give you a list of stations
by genre. Helpful when you were traveling.
Cool, I want that.
Ennev wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Yes, what I feel with streaming and on demand is the lost of
"community" where you would tune at a specific time to a live broadcast like talk radio etc or an event (sport etc) and have that feeling that somehow you weren't alone, someone was out there talking to you at this very moment. Something would happen and you would know right away.
Cool, I want that.
My 2002 Camry had that, loved that radio. Harmon Kardon stock head
unit with a 5-disk CD changer, lots on the secondary market, and
people hacked Bluetooth playback onto it.
Nightfox wrote to Dreamer <=-
I was on Virgin Mobile for a long time before they were acquired by
Boost Mobile. I've bought a new phone since becoming a Boost customer.
Now I'm curious to see if I can install an FM tuner app and see if it will work.
Normally, not having FM capabilities hasn't been a deal-breaker for me though. I was fairly happy with a budget carrier like Virgin Mobile
(now Boost).
Ennev wrote to Dreamer <=-
I believe that for emergency broadcast that it should be mandatory to
have a radio band capacity on phones.
Nightfox wrote to Dreamer <=-
Re: Re: Radio GAGA
By: Dreamer to Nightfox on Wed Jul 29 2020 06:13 am
I try to research phones before purchasing a different model. Usually I can find some chatter about the FM capabilities. I can tell you that with my current phone, Samsung Galaxy J3 Achieve on Boost Mobile, I don't recall a tuner app being preinstalled. I installed one from Google Play.
What app did you install? I've searched for FM tuners apps in the
Google Play store, and it seems most of them are made for internet streaming stations. I'd like to find one where I know it's using the actual FM radio tuner rather than streaming from the internet.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
One thing I've noticed about me is that when I'm listening to broadcast radio or watching something on broadcast TV, if I'm interested in it,
I'm probably more apt to listen/watch when it's being played on
broadcast rather than on a streaming service, where I could
listen/watch it whenever I want to. Even a movie I've already seen before, if it's on an over-the-air TV station, I'd probably be more apt
to watch it. It might be a psychological thing, knowing that the time it's being played on an over-the-air broadcast is the chance I have to listen/watch it. For movies I own or are on streaming, many times I'll feel like watching it another time, since I can watch it any time.
Ogg wrote to All <=-
Hello Dreamer!
** On Wednesday 29.07.20 - 07:13, dreamer wrote to Nightfox:
I try to research phones before purchasing a different model. Usually
I can find some chatter about the FM capabilities. I can tell you that with my current phone, Samsung Galaxy J3 Achieve on Boost Mobile, I
don't recall a tuner app being preinstalled. I installed one from
Google Play.
Samsung Galaxy J3 (2018) *has* FM Radio.
speaking of hacking bluetooth this has happened to me twice:
i'm driving along and then i hear someone else's gps telling them where to go. one time i heard the phone start a call.
one time there werent any cars near by me.
very strange shit. it's like our bluetooth encryption is too weak.
What app did you install? I've searched for FM tuners apps in the
Google Play store, and it seems most of them are made for internet
streaming stations. I'd like to find one where I know it's using
the
actual FM radio tuner rather than streaming from the internet.
I'm currently using one called Nextradio. It used to have a radio guide, and I think options for digital internet streaming on WIFI. However, the digital features pretty much died a slow death. I'm sure it's still on the
On 07-30-20 16:10, Dreamer wrote to Ennev <=-
I'm sure Apple figures people will keep a working radio next to them at all times. There's a couple problems with that: it assumes people are smart and plan ahead (neither of which are always true), and it assumes the extra devices will be handy, which is not always the case.
On 07-30-20 16:29, Dreamer wrote to Ogg <=-
If you're speaking of a particular app, it was not preinstalled on
*this* particular phone at the time I purchased it.
Samsung Galaxy J3 (2018) *has* FM Radio.
Yes, which is how I can use it with the app I installed.
If you're speaking of a particular app, it was not preinstalled on *this* particular phone at the time I purchased it.
Actually, I have found the in phone FM radio increasingly useless [[..]]
The issue with the in phone FM radio is the antenna, or rather lack of
one. [[...]] Trouble is people these days tend to use Bluetooth
earpieces (hey, no antenna!), and my phone dowsn't seem to work with
many ear/headphones, making the FM radio function useless. :(
One period of time that stands out for me and BBSing was the first
gulf war in 1991. TV and radio weren't reporting the protests in San Francisco from the streets, and newspapers did a half-decent job. We
had people posting on BBSes seeing the crowds from their rooftops and coming back from the streets. I felt like BBSes were giving a more realistic depiction of what was *really* going on our our neck of the woods.
Nightfox wrote to Dreamer <=-
I'm currently using one called Nextradio. It used to have a radio guide, and I think options for digital internet streaming on WIFI. However, the digital features pretty much died a slow death. I'm sure it's still on the
I found that one (Nextradio) and saw my phone already had it installed.
When I ran it though, it said my device wasn't supported.
Actually, I have found the in phone FM radio increasingly useless, and it's not for the lack of stations - there's more than ever here now. The issue with the in phone FM radio is the antenna, or rather lack of one. They use the wired earphones for the antenna, a technique that has been used back to at least the 80s with Walkmans (and their generic equivalents). Trouble is people these days tend to use Bluetooth earpieces (hey, no antenna!), and my phone dowsn't seem to work with many ear/headphones, making the FM radio function useless. :(
I found that one (Nextradio) and saw my phone already had it
installed.
When I ran it though, it said my device wasn't supported.
That sucks. What phone model do you have?
Mobile (now Boost).
I started with Virgin, and but kept coming back for the flexible plans. I love that I can easily tweak my monthly service online at any time. I started out with a $35/month plan, and only recently upgraded to $50 for unlimited phone data plus hotspot. I work out of coffee shops a lot, and they don't always have reliable internet.
It's a Samsung Galaxy S20 - Which just came out earlier this year (I bought mine a few weeks ago).
I did not realize that you had to acquire a separate app inorder to access the FM radio. I thought that if a phone boasted having FM radio, then it was part of the OS or pre-installed.
the Tiananmen Square "incident" got out to the world via BBSes (and fidonet)... that was just barely over 31 years ago...
It's a Samsung Galaxy S20 - Which just came out earlier this year (I
bought mine a few weeks ago).
are those galaxy phones any better? i gave up after my s3.
i had blu phones and now i have a motorola i like.
I did not realize that you had to acquire a separate app inorder to
access the FM radio. I thought that if a phone boasted having FM radio, Og>> then it was part of the OS or pre-installed.
How would that work? Normally you'd need to use an app to access
various functionality and do something.
are those galaxy phones any better? i gave up after my s3.
i had blu phones and now i have a motorola i like.
Better than what? Other phones, or previous Galaxy phones? I tend to like
I meant that I would expect an app for the FM radio to be pre-installed if the phone has an FM radio. Forcing the user to search for an app sounds cruel.
On 07-31-20 11:23, Rampage wrote to Vk3jed <=-
take a look at the plug... see if there's 3 ring conductors or four...
TS - Tip/Sleeve - mono
TRS - Tip/Ring/Sleeve - stereo
TRRS - Tip/Ring/Ring/Sleeve - stereo with mic
there's also TRRRS which i've not seen... then there's also two or
three different ways they can be wired and they're not
interchangable... you may be getting the right plug but the wrong
wiring for your device... i won't even mention the thing about balanced and unbalanced stereo...
On 07-31-20 09:26, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Sometimes I feel like they force design changes on all of us, even if
some people might not like the change. I realize many people probably
use bluetooth headphones (and sometimes I have too, for the
convenience), but I like having a wired connection sometimes. A
headphone jack has always been included until just the last few years,
and in some ways it seems stupid to remove it - as you've mentioned, removing the headphone jack also renders an FM tuner useless. Recently
I bought a new phone that doesn't have a headphone jack, so I bought a USB-C headphone jack adapter so I can still plug headphones into it if
I want. But that also means I can't plug headphones in while charging because it uses the same port. Unless there's some sort of adapter somewhere that allows you to plug in a charging cable and headphones at the same time.
They've also made some phones now where you can't replace the battery.
I find that frustrating too.. It seems like another example of planned obsolescense. They'd rather you buy a whole new device rather than
keep your current device going longer.
On 07-31-20 08:51, Ogg wrote to All <=-
My BB Q10 (7yrs old?) can switch to local speaker, but the wired
earphones have to be plugged in. Have your tried using BT to recast
the audio with the "antenna" plugged in?
..Have your tried using BT to recast the audio with the "antenna"
plugged in?
With my current phone, the issue is the lack of said "antenna". :/
the Tiananmen Square "incident" got out to the world via BBSes (and fidonet)... that was just barely over 31 years ago...
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Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Sometimes I feel like they force design changes on all of us, even if
some people might not like the change. I realize many people probably
use bluetooth headphones (and sometimes I have too, for the
convenience), but I like having a wired connection sometimes.
Nightfox wrote to Rampage <=-
I've heard that BBSes are still relatively populr in China due to government censorship in China, and because BBSes can run under the
radar and evade censorship a bit.
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
any better than they have been in the past. my s3 is the only phone i
had that ever really became unoperable and that happened twice.
I've heard that BBSes are still relatively populr in China due to
government censorship in China, and because BBSes can run under the
radar and evade censorship a bit.
We rely too much on automated collection of data - China has enough
people employed by the state that they could fill a warehouse full of people who spend all day logging onto BBSes and monitoring content.
My BB Q10 (7yrs old?) can switch to local speaker, but the wired
earphones have to be plugged in. Have your tried using BT to recast
the audio with the "antenna" plugged in?
With my current phone, the issue is the lack of said "antenna". :/
On 08-01-20 08:35, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-
OK. But the phone *has* an FM radio? What is the make of the phone?
On 08-01-20 13:26, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
With my current phone, the issue is the lack of said "antenna". :/
From what I've read, I thought that was true of all phones with an FM tuner? I've read that you'd have to plug in headphones and it would
use the headphones as an FM antenna.
I was extremely grateful to be able to use the FM radio on my phone, as
it used MUCH less power. Due to flooding, the only place we could
physically reach was the Red Cross shelter, so I turned off all the
digital radios on my phone, tuned in to a channel that was reporting
news, and turned off the display. With conservative use, I was able to
keep up with the news for the next two days until we stayed with
family.
Anyways, that's my personal prepper story. Congrats if you actually
read all that. Mama finally got herself together, and kiddos were able
to move in with her, so I'm working on getting myself the smallest
travel trailer or teardrop camper I can live in. For the next
hurricane, I'm bringin' my home with me.
I did not realize that you had to acquire a separate app inorder to access the FM radio. I thought that if a phone boasted having FM radio, then it
was part of the OS or pre-installed.
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