So I wonder how you wise people solved this ?
But like I said I do want it reliable enough and maintenance free enough that the time i spend there is not just about fixing and updating stuff.
Have enough hobbies like that :-D
If money were no object you could also go the route Linus went:
"I spent two days in my attic to avoid a camera subscription!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjD4xIhfTw
But I see a problem with the design. They are quite large and too noticeable. I real thief could physically knock them out from a blind
spot, or just cut the cables. Some spray paint could easily block out the lens.
If robbery ensued, the most you would get out of a recording are a few seconds of the approaching criminal, and the time when the event occurred.
The best security system I ever had were dogs. LOL. They primarily made good noise when something didn't seem normal.
I was looking for something like this and ended up going with Nest cameras, mostly because I wanted reliability and something I didn't have to babysit.
I now pay just CDN$80 /year for both of my camera & doorbell (same price for the whole house, so I can add more cameras for no additional monthly cost) and get 30 days of camera history.
If money were no object you could also go the route Linus went:
"I spent two days in my attic to avoid a camera subscription!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjD4xIhfTw
But I see a problem with the design. They are quite large and too
noticeable. I real thief could physically knock them out from a blind
spot, or just cut the cables. Some spray paint could easily block out the lens.
If robbery ensued, the most you would get out of a recording are a few seconds of the approaching criminal, and the time when the event occurred.
I'd rather spend money in reinforced doors, bars fot the windows and the like,
which are actually useful for preventing casual burglaries. And get lots of dogs. But that is because I love dogs so much.
Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-
Only real security I have ever seen was in a nuclear power plant with bald, mean looking security guards with big badass guns.
I'd rather spend money in reinforced doors, bars fot the windows and
the like, which are actually useful for preventing casual burglaries.
And get lots of dogs. But that is because I love dogs so much.
Hello Warpslide!
** On Wednesday 22.07.20 - 16:52, warpslide wrote to Ennev:
If money were no object you could also go the route Linus went:
"I spent two days in my attic to avoid a camera subscription!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjD4xIhfTw
The image quality from the camera is wonderful.
But I see a problem with the design. They are quite large and too noticeable. I real thief could physically knock them out from a blind
spot, or just cut the cables. Some spray paint could easily block out the lens.
If robbery ensued, the most you would get out of a recording are a few seconds of the approaching criminal, and the time when the event occurred.
The best security system I ever had were dogs. LOL. They primarily made good noise when something didn't seem normal.
enough to trigger it. Some fo the more expensive cameras have an external trigger option to detect motion which works way better than their built in options.
But I see a problem with the design. They are quite large and too noticeable. I real thief could physically knock them out from a blind spot, or just cut the cables. Some spray paint could easily block out the lens.
If robbery ensued, the most you would get out of a recording are a few seconds of the approaching criminal, and the time when the event occurred.
Maybe the trick would be to have one that is noticeable to deter might
be criminal. And an hidden one to catch the real ones.
Maybe the infamous ring doorbell could be cool, you can right away open
a speaker and say stuff like "hey kid, get off my lawn", but it has bad press.
If I could get those damn screws off I'd then be able to factory reset the thing & sell it on Kijiji. I've tried the elastic trick, the super glue trick and even this "magic" stripped screw screwdriver but since it's torx screw made of the softest metal in the world nothing seems to work.
That's when I replaced it with the Nest (now Google) Doorbell which has much better video quality than that OG Ring model.
Just wanted to post a good CHEAP camera for the security discussion.
The TEND LYNX cameras are only like $60 for indoors and $150 for outdoors. Free online storage of data, 2 weeks history, notifications and most of the bells and whisles of much ore expensive Nest or Arlo systems...
I wish they were built tougher; but for sixty bucks are fine!!
You can check them live on the app, they beep me when theres motion and supposedly theres facial recognition altho I don't use that bit.
Pretty cheap price of entry for a GOOD camera system. The more expensive outdoor ones are good too, and the original ones WILL BREAK if outdoors. I know from experience.
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Yeah, but then they forget how to be scary. There were a couple of
pit bulls next door to me at the river house I stayed in recently. I
could see them sitting in the sun watching their owner as he watered
the plants. When I came out to walk my dog, they put up a fierce
barking at the fence that would scare anyone off - except they were
both wagging.
Re: Re: Let's talk about secu
By: paulie420 to all on Fri Jul 24 2020 08:43 am
Just wanted to post a good CHEAP camera for the security discussion.
The TEND LYNX cameras are only like $60 for indoors and $150 for outdoors Free online storage of data, 2 weeks history, notifications and most of t bells and whisles of much ore expensive Nest or Arlo systems...
I wish they were built tougher; but for sixty bucks are fine!!
You can check them live on the app, they beep me when theres motion and supposedly theres facial recognition altho I don't use that bit.
Pretty cheap price of entry for a GOOD camera system. The more expensive outdoor ones are good too, and the original ones WILL BREAK if outdoors. know from experience.
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I've been reading more and mor about people noticing inexpensive cameras being a bit on the "chatty" side, meaning they've been observed generating traffic going out to the web that appears to be suspicious. Other than occasional firmware updates, why would a camera want to report home? Some cameras may offer the option to turn that off, but it might be buried within their configuration.
I've been reading more and mor about people noticing inexpensive cameras being a bit on the "chatty" side, meaning they've been observed generating traffic going out to the web that appears to be suspicious. Other than occasional firmware updates, why would a camera want to report home? Some cameras may offer the option to turn that off, but it might be buried within their configuration.
Just wanted to post a good CHEAP camera for the security discussion.
The TEND LYNX cameras are only like $60 for indoors and $150 for outdoors. Free online storage of data, 2 weeks history, notifications and most of the bells and whisles of much ore expensive Nest or Arlo systems...
I wish they were built tougher; but for sixty bucks are fine!!
You can check them live on the app, they beep me when theres motion and supposedly theres facial recognition altho I don't use that bit.
Pretty cheap price of entry for a GOOD camera system. The more expensive outdoor ones are good too, and the original ones WILL BREAK if outdoors. I know from experience.
On 2020-07-25 2:25 a.m., Moondog wrote:
I've been reading more and mor about people noticing inexpensive cameras being a bit on the "chatty" side, meaning they've been observed generating traffic going out to the web that appears to be suspicious. Other than occasional firmware updates, why would a camera want to report home? Some cameras may offer the option to turn that off, but it might be buried with their configuration.
Sometime they also have poor security having root account like user
admin password admin with ssh or telnet port wide open. If you have a
bbs and look at your log that's why you'll see your ports being hit so
hard, they looking for such insecure device. Once they found such
insecure device they can use it to bridge into a local network and start attacking your others device that would be protected usually by your
router firewall or they use is just to add to theirs botnet to attack
others target and do massive ddos attack etc.
Always hate stuff that phone home for others reason that to check for firmware update.
From the article I read, this didn't sound like typical traffic you'd expsect
from a camera, such as telemetry, firmware updates or cloud protocols. That i
s where the controversy arises. For example, let's say the IP traffic indicates your camera is talking to an address owned by Amazon. Why would a camera made in China be sending data to Amazon? What if the low price attached to a security camera with decent features come at the cost of an outside corporation using some of those resources for facial recognition or AI learning how to detect other items?
If I could get those damn screws off I'd then be able to factory rese thing & sell it on Kijiji. I've tried the elastic trick, the super gl trick and even this "magic" stripped screw screwdriver but since it's screw made of the softest metal in the world nothing seems to work.
can you link a picture? i'm real good at that shit.
On 23 Jul 2020, MRO said the following...
If I could get those damn screws off I'd then be able to factory
rese thing & sell it on Kijiji. I've tried the elastic trick,
the super gl trick and even this "magic" stripped screw
screwdriver but since it's screw made of the softest metal in
the world nothing seems to work.
can you link a picture? i'm real good at that shit.
https://imgur.com/a/nBmwkQg
I was able to get one screw out. The other one is in there snug and each time I try anything it gets stripped even more.
I believe these screws are Torx T6 which ring just calls "Security Screws":
view-source:https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005688763-Spare- Parts -Information
On 2020-07-25 10:48 p.m., Moondog wrote:
From the article I read, this didn't sound like typical traffic you'd exp from a camera, such as telemetry, firmware updates or cloud protocols. Th s where the controversy arises. For example, let's say the IP traffic indicates your camera is talking to an address owned by Amazon. Why would camera made in China be sending data to Amazon? What if the low price attached to a security camera with decent features come at the cost of an outside corporation using some of those resources for facial recognition o AI learning how to detect other items?
I guess it go down to the term of service, if the user gave right to the maker to use the video and other data. But yes china also use the amazon cloud, why not it's cheap, especially hacker.
I've been planning to install cameras in my home for awhile, and when i first heard of the issues people have had with not securing their nanny cams (others outside your home being able to observe your children and view other happenings in your home) it makes me wonder what other security holes may exist?
Is it creepy to think that there may be an AI or device
learning research being done through observing not only people, but also objects inside your home? Some go through great extents to secure their homes and conceal their levels of preparedness (stores of shelf stable food, firearms, a mmunition) and its disheartening to think their secuirty devices can be used against them.
I've heard stories like that, but I've wondered if some people just aren't password-protecting their camera or something (as you said, issues people have with not securing their nanny cams). If that's the case, it's not really a security hole, but people just not being careful enough to secure their camera.
I've heard stories like that, but I've wondered if some people just aren't ord-protecting their camera or something (as you said, issues people have ot securing their nanny cams). If that's the case, it's not really a secu ole, but people
view other happenings in your home) it makes me wonder what other security holes may exist? Is it creepy to think that there may be an AI or device learning research being done through observing not only people, but also objects inside your home? Some go through great extents to secure their homes and conceal their levels of preparedness (stores of shelf stable food, firearms, a mmunition) and its disheartening to think their secuirty
I've heard stories like that, but I've wondered if some people just aren't password-protecting their camera or something (as you said, issues people have with not securing their nanny cams). If that's the case, it's not really a security hole, but people just not being careful enough to secure their camera.
So I agree that a lot of people are careless, the vast majority in fact. They expect theses device to be like appliances that you just plug and forget about it. The industry has to step up.
well my arlo cams are like 60 bucks a piece. i have one week of free storage. i am still trying to tweak them because they detect motion all the time. i'm not a fan of the arlo app or the arlo website, though.
i wish i would have just bought a wired system with a dvr.
Re: Re: Let's talk about secu
By: Moondog to Ennev on Tue Jul 28 2020 12:14 am
I've been planning to install cameras in my home for awhile, and when i first heard of the issues people have had with not securing their nanny cams (others outside your home being able to observe your children and view other happenings in your home) it makes me wonder what other secur holes may exist?
I've heard stories like that, but I've wondered if some people just aren't p e just not being careful enough to secure their camera.
Is it creepy to think that there may be an AI or device
learning research being done through observing not only people, but als objects inside your home? Some go through great extents to secure their homes and conceal their levels of preparedness (stores of shelf stable food, firearms, a mmunition) and its disheartening to think their secui devices can be used against them.
Big Brother... 1984, and all that..
Nightfox
Re: Re: Let's talk about secu
By: Moondog to Ennev on Tue Jul 28 2020 12:14 am
view other happenings in your home) it makes me wonder what other secur holes may exist? Is it creepy to think that there may be an AI or devic learning research being done through observing not only people, but als objects inside your home? Some go through great extents to secure their homes and conceal their levels of preparedness (stores of shelf stable food, firearms, a mmunition) and its disheartening to think their secui
just wait until you see yourself naked. yechk
well my arlo cams are like 60 bucks a piece. i have one week of free storage. i am still trying to tweak them because they detect motion all the time. i'm not a fan of the arlo app or the arlo website, though.
i wish i would have just bought a wired system with a dvr.
Really? When I was shopping Arlo's, the 3 camera system was $750... I think; maybe it was 4... at any rate, for $60 a piece I don't think you could beat Arlo - even if their software is 'corp-y' its decent for the every-person... which usually isn't US, tech folks...
I use Home Assistant and there are options on there to use your camera systems without using the Arlo main software... but tons of setup and work t get it going. However, you can use them without sending any data at all up t Arlo... so. Heck, I don't know the names of the software but... I think you can use these camera softwares with your Arlo's and not got thru their apps... like Blue-something camera app... shrug, sorry I dunno that titles; but there are options.
With Home Assistant, I too will mainly just buy cameras and a DVR.. you can integrate it deep in your smart home install.
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Re: Re: Let's talk about secu
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Jul 28 2020 09:01 am
Re: Re: Let's talk about secu
By: Moondog to Ennev on Tue Jul 28 2020 12:14 am
I've been planning to install cameras in my home for awhile, and when i fir
heard of the issues people have had with not securing their nanny cams (oth
outside your home being able to observe your children and view other happenings in your home) it makes me wonder what other secur holes may exis
I've heard stories like that, but I've wondered if some people just aren't p e j
not being careful enough to secure their camera.
Is it creepy to think that there may be an AI or device
learning research being done through observing not only people, but als
objects inside your home? Some go through great extents to secure their hom
and conceal their levels of preparedness (stores of shelf stable food,
firearms, a mmunition) and its disheartening to think their secui devices c
be used against them.
Big Brother... 1984, and all that..
Nightfox
I know it sounds kind of paranoid, but if Big Brother has a hard wired exploit, others will learn how to exploit it as well.
If you know a device is sending information to a set of IP addresses, what would be
the best way to block that traffic? For this scenario, assume the cameras only nee
to talk with an NVR installed in your house, and and any access to the captured vid
will be done through the NVR's web portal.
Re: Re: Let's talk about secu
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Wed Jul 29 2020 12:03 am
Re: Re: Let's talk about secu
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Jul 28 2020 09:01 am
Re: Re: Let's talk about secu
By: Moondog to Ennev on Tue Jul 28 2020 12:14 am
I've been planning to install cameras in my home for awhile, and heard of the issues people have had with not securing their nanny outside your home being able to observe your children and view ot happenings in your home) it makes me wonder what other secur hole
I've heard stories like that, but I've wondered if some people just ar not being careful enough to secure their camera.
Is it creepy to think that there may be an AI or device
learning research being done through observing not only people, b objects inside your home? Some go through great extents to secure and conceal their levels of preparedness (stores of shelf stable firearms, a mmunition) and its disheartening to think their secui be used against them.
Big Brother... 1984, and all that..
Nightfox
I know it sounds kind of paranoid, but if Big Brother has a hard wired exploit, others will learn how to exploit it as well.
If you know a device is sending information to a set of IP addresses, wha the best way to block that traffic? For this scenario, assume the camera to talk with an NVR installed in your house, and and any access to the ca will be done through the NVR's web portal.
Puchase a Mikrotik router (or a router capable of handling a complex firewal or build your own).
Block any unaproved traffic from your devices to the target IPs
But seriously, the real thing you should do is not to run untrusted devices network at all, or at least run them in isolation in such a way they cannot havoc very badly.
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gopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.es
i wish i would have just bought a wired system with a dvr.
Really? When I was shopping Arlo's, the 3 camera system was $750... I think; maybe it was 4... at any rate, for $60 a piece I don't think you could beat Arlo - even if their software is 'corp-y' its decent for the every-person... which usually isn't US, tech folks...
I know it sounds kind of paranoid, but if Big Brother has a hard wired exploit, others will learn how to exploit it as well.
If you know a device is sending information to a set of IP addresses, what would be the best way to block that traffic? For this scenario, assume the cameras only need to talk with an NVR installed in your house, and and any access to the captured video will be done through the NVR's web portal.
If robbery ensued, the most you would get out of a recording are a
few seconds of the approaching criminal, and the time when the event
occurred.
That's a problem I have with most passive security messures. You end
up paying tons of money for equipment that does not prevent a theft,
it is easy to cheat or disable, and is placebo at best.
For the record, I investigated video surveillance systems because I'd
like to see what my horses are doing while I am away. If you are
serious, there is no cheap solution, even if you go the DIY route.
Most kits I have seen around were junk or allow a third party access
to your images, which is a big no-no.
Hello Arelor!
** On Thursday 23.07.20 - 09:00, arelor wrote to Ogg:
If robbery ensued, the most you would get out of a recording are a
few seconds of the approaching criminal, and the time when the event Og>> occurred.
That's a problem I have with most passive security messures. You end
up paying tons of money for equipment that does not prevent a theft,
it is easy to cheat or disable, and is placebo at best.
Today, these systems are primarily handy for surveillance and really shouldn't be called security cameras.
I had activated a few cameras in my shop, but my ISP complained about the uploads every few minutes! The pics were only about 360KB each, and only every 2 minutes. Overnight, I could spy on my front door and front
windows. That was over 7 years ago now. Maybe the ISP has eased the
policy for a surveillance feed today.
For the record, I investigated video surveillance systems because I'd like to see what my horses are doing while I am away. If you are serious, there is no cheap solution, even if you go the DIY route.
Most kits I have seen around were junk or allow a third party access
to your images, which is a big no-no.
I suppose you have outdoor models.
I have indoor wireless Foscam models with pan and tilt. They weren't too cheap at over $125 a piece at the time. The support software offered a 3rd-party host site to send the pics to (at a cost), but I found no need
for that when I could simply FTP the pics to a directory on my own host.
Maybe it's time to revisit that option.
I have indoor wireless Foscam models with pan and tilt. They weren't
too cheap at over $125 a piece at the time. ...
In the prevention - detection - correction triangle, cameras don't
prevent as well as they detect and help correct after a crime has been committed. Unless a camera also acts as an alarm or triggers another detection component, all you'll have is evidence of the break in after
the fact.
In the prevention - detection - correction triangle, cameras don't prevent as well as they detect and help correct after a crime has been committed. Unless a camera also acts as an alarm or triggers another detection component, all you'll have is evidence of the break in after the fact.
Yep. I know that. :( When I maneuver the pan and tilt, it can serve as a reminder to people that they are being watched. :)
Insurance takes care of a break-in and loss of inventory.
For the record, I investigated video surveillance systems because I'd like to see what my horses are doing while I am away. If you are serious, there is no cheap solution, even if you go the DIY route.
Most kits I have seen around were junk or allow a third party access
to your images, which is a big no-no.
I suppose you have outdoor models.
I have indoor wireless Foscam models with pan and tilt. They weren't too cheap at over $125 a piece at the time. The support software offered a 3rd-party host site to send the pics to (at a cost), but I found no need
for that when I could simply FTP the pics to a directory on my own host.
Maybe it's time to revisit that option.
I have indoor wireless Foscam models with pan and tilt. ... I could
simply FTP the pics to a directory on my own host.
Maybe it's time to revisit that option.
I have bought and own quite an assortment of web and IP cameras (wired
and wireless, including Foscams) for security cameras. I use BlueIris
(for Windows) to record and serve-up the live feeds to cell phones.
Works great.
Hello Digital!
** On Thursday 13.08.20 - 21:09, digital.man wrote to Ogg:
I have indoor wireless Foscam models with pan and tilt. ... I could
simply FTP the pics to a directory on my own host.
Maybe it's time to revisit that option.
I have bought and own quite an assortment of web and IP cameras (wired and wireless, including Foscams) for security cameras. I use BlueIris (for Windows) to record and serve-up the live feeds to cell phones.
Works great.
BlueIris looks good! The software that Foscam offers is "ok", but
something else might be more fun and versatile.
How do you use the Web Server part? Do you have local storage for that
.or are you using your ISP host storage?
As I wrote earlier, my ISP took umbrage to my cameras sending .jpg files
to a directory on my host ever few minutes. That was about 7 years ago
now. But I figure security cameras are much more common place now and I would hope that "serving" files should be less restrictive in the last few years.
I have bought and own quite an assortment of web and IP cameras (wired and wireless, including Foscams) for security cameras. I use BlueIris (for Windows) to record and serve-up the live feeds to cell phones. Works great.
Re: Re: Let's talk about security
By: Digital Man to Ogg on Thu Aug 13 2020 06:09 pm
I have bought and own quite an assortment of web and IP cameras (wired and wireless, including Foscams) for security cameras. I use BlueIris (for Windows) to record and serve-up the live feeds to cell phones. Works great.
i use webcam xp with my ip camers and that works great. lots of features.
i wish i could use other software with my arlo cameras because the web interface sucks and i'm not a fan of the phone interface.
My server is in my house, so my ISP has no idea how many pictures (or videos) I'm transferring from my cameras. The only time my ISP is involved is when the cameras (or recordings) are accessed remotely. And that's infrequent.
My server is in my house, so my ISP has no idea how many pictures (or videos) I'm transferring from my cameras. The only time my ISP is involved is when the cameras (or recordings) are accessed remotely. And that's infrequent.
Does , your isp Spying on You ,
Yeah, I've bought a camera or two over the years that I could not get to work with Blue Iris (or any other non-proprietary view/capture software). I've returned some and others just retired to a shelf, if they were cheap enough. For indoor or mostly-protected outdoor use, I mostly just buy these cheap boys these days: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WX7FZFL
Hard to beat that video quality for $32.
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