On 03-16-20 19:05, ryan wrote to All <=-
Hey guys, I had a bit of a freak out moment earlier today. The greater
San Francisco Bay Area is going on lock down basically starting tonight
at midnight and will be for the next three weeks at least.
Hey guys, I had a bit of a freak out moment earlier today. The greater
San Francisco Bay Area is going on lock down basically starting tonight
at midnight and will be for the next three weeks at least.
This means a lot of people are not going to be able to work and support themselves or their families.
The disparity of wealth here is alarming. There are haves and have-nots, and nothing in between. Everyone on the other side of the freeway from where I live is totally screwed starting tonight at midnight.
I'm very worried about what happens when these people have no way to feed their families. How many meals does someone miss before they become criminals? I shudder to think what I'd do in that position.
So, I decided to clean my gun today and try to stock up on ammo. It's a strange feeling. But the US is a tinderbox waiting for violence to
erupt. We have disparity of wealth and as many guns as people.
Our federal government is doing what they can to protect the economy, but only as it pertains to the wealthy; poor people don't pay rent or buy McDonalds because of their stock investments.
If the federal government really wanted to make sure we don't digress
into mayhem, they'd give all families emergency spending money to the
tune of a few thousand bucks a month and tell us to ride out the virus
and stay home. But they won't do that, and it'll be anarchy out here.
I'm pretty worried.
I hate to sound alarmist but I hope fellow Americans mentally prepare themselves for this type of eventuality.
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I'm very worried about what happens when these people have no way to their families. How many meals does someone miss before they become criminals? I shudder to think what I'd do in that position.
Squirls, etc.
bats from China...hehe
On 03-18-20 09:55, Spectre wrote to ryan <=-
bats from China...hehe
Is that the Chinese Batman?
Our bats aren't any better.. they all carry the lyssavirus.
So, I decided to clean my gun today and try to stock up on ammo. It's
a strange feeling.
Hunting food?
I'm glad that I don't have to think about guns, ammo and violence in Europe. From my perspective that is really a strange idea ...
I also believe that you won't have more violence in the US, I think it i more likely that it goes down.
This may be true, but it may also go through a
period of transition where we see increasing
violence before a more invasive government
intervention; say, the deployment of National
Guard troops.
Squirls, etc.bats from China...hehe
violence before a more invasive governmentFrankly I think our state governments are remiss for not doing this already.
intervention; say, the deployment of National
Guard troops.
Hey guys, I had a bit of a freak out moment earlier today. The greater
San Francisco Bay Area is going on lock down basically starting tonight
at midnight and will be for the next three weeks at least.
This means a lot of people are not going to be able to work and support themselves or their families.
The disparity of wealth here is alarming. There are haves and have-nots, and nothing in between. Everyone on the other side of the freeway from where I live is totally screwed starting tonight at midnight.
I'm very worried about what happens when these people have no way to feed their families. How many meals does someone miss before they become criminals? I shudder to think what I'd do in that position.
So, I decided to clean my gun today and try to stock up on ammo. It's a strange feeling. But the US is a tinderbox waiting for violence to
erupt. We have disparity of wealth and as many guns as people.
Our federal government is doing what they can to protect the economy, but only as it pertains to the wealthy; poor people don't pay rent or buy McDonalds because of their stock investments.
If the federal government really wanted to make sure we don't digress
into mayhem, they'd give all families emergency spending money to the
tune of a few thousand bucks a month and tell us to ride out the virus
and stay home. But they won't do that, and it'll be anarchy out here.
I'm pretty worried.
I hate to sound alarmist but I hope fellow Americans mentally prepare themselves for this type of eventuality.
Argos wrote to ryan <=-
Hey guys, I had a bit of a freak out moment earlier today. The greater
San Francisco Bay Area is going on lock down basically starting tonight
at midnight and will be for the next three weeks at least.
Wow .... This type of draconian sledge hammer is serious and has a
really bad impact. Understanding why such drastic, but really bad
mojo.
I'm very worried about what happens when these people have no way to feed their families. How many meals does someone miss before they become criminals? I shudder to think what I'd do in that position.
So, I decided to clean my gun today and try to stock up on ammo. It's a strange feeling. But the US is a tinderbox waiting for violence to
erupt. We have disparity of wealth and as many guns as people.
Oli wrote to ryan <=-
I also believe that you won't have more violence in the US, I think it
i more likely that it goes down.
tenser wrote to Oli <=-
I also believe that you won't have more violence in the US, I think it i more likely that it goes down.
This may be true, but it may also go through a
period of transition where we see increasing
violence before a more invasive government
intervention; say, the deployment of National
Guard troops.
ryan wrote to tenser <=-
This may be true, but it may also go through a
period of transition where we see increasing
violence before a more invasive government
intervention; say, the deployment of National
Guard troops.
Frankly I think our state governments are remiss for not doing this already.
mastermind wrote to ryan <=-
I hate to sound alarmist but I hope fellow Americans mentally prepare themselves for this type of eventuality.
this is what rings most true to me; i think we are in for a ride. i
think it'll be bigger than we think, but not the end of the world...
Oh I disagree... So far, no one has done anything WRONG. Yeah, overbuying toilet paper and food might be 'disruptive' in a sense, but it's panic buying. I think it will die down. Bringing out the NG to 'keep the peace' when people aren't doing anything illegal? Scary stuff...
People are still going out of their houses to go shopping and doing whatever else they feel like doing. That's kind of wrong in a pandemic.Yes, and based on what I saw when traveling through the airports on Sunday people are idiots. Nobody was practicing social distancing, people were coughing into the air or their hands, some little shit kid open mouth belched into the airplane gate boarding line which was jammed full of people. Myself and one other gentleman were the only people who were actually standing 6ft away, and then on the gangway same shit, i put my carryon bag behind me
people were coughing into the air or their hands, some little shit kid open mouth belched into the airplane gate boarding line which was jammed full of people. Myself and one other gentleman were the only people who
Just had a thought while reading this. Am totally serious when I ask
this. Know the little idiot was acting up to his greatest goal in life. Has anyone said anything about farting around other groups of people? I can "crop dust" a few counties in Kansas/Nebraska...but coming out the other hand...does this make it less dangerous? It smells...but is it
still as dangerous as a cough or a sneeze?
Wow ... I am a major 2A person. Reading this from a CA person and a firearm I am speechless. This is exactly what 2A is all about, the right to defend and protect. Go you!
I'm glad that I don't have to think about guns, ammo and violence in Europe. From my perspective that is really a strange idea ...
I also believe that you won't have more violence in the US, I think it i more likely that it goes down.
This may be true, but it may also go through a
period of transition where we see increasing
violence before a more invasive government
intervention; say, the deployment of National
Guard troops.
This may be true, but it may also go through a
period of transition where we see increasing
violence before a more invasive government
intervention; say, the deployment of National
Guard troops.
Frankly I think our state governments are remiss for not doing this already.
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Not surprised when you have the leadership at the federal level who
think the violent ones are fine people. Until this BS changes...don't think we'll see troops out except for rallies without weapons.
We are in Indianapolis and there's talk of that here - I said that "shelter in place" sounds better than "martial law," but is there really any difference?
Oli wrote to ryan <=-
I also believe that you won't have more violence in the US, I think i i more likely that it goes down.
Good point! Where I live, there are a lot of gun owners, so the 'gangs' would probably not come out here - too many good ole boys with shotguns and no objection to protecting mama!
This... I agree with this... I think it will get worse before it gets better, and I feel like things are going to change in a social way...
Just like airline travel changed after 9/11, I think this is going to change gatherings and how we respond to others that 'cough and sneeze.'
I'm also bothered by the almost matial law that's happening...
can you help a brother? i am in need of some 9mm standard; even a few cases would be awesome... funny thing is; in america we will still be running our 'essential amazon' deliveries; really, if you can help with 9mm...
Oh I disagree... So far, no one has done anything WRONG. Yeah, overbu toilet paper and food might be 'disruptive' in a sense, but it's pani buying. I think it will die down. Bringing out the NG to 'keep the pe when people aren't doing anything illegal? Scary stuff...
People are still going out of their houses to go shopping and doing whatever else they feel like doing. That's kind of wrong in a pandemic.
i cannot believe we're here.. i have faith, i think the gov is going to show up in a lot of ways; but i believe this is bigger than we're ready for. M@STERMiND
Hearing about what Canada is doing makes me feel ashamed about the US.
So, yeah, people are idiots, and this will continue to spread.
yes; that first shelter in place order will not be enforced by law enforecement... they'll be waiting, but martial law is after that. i
think it will become national shelter in place this weekend, followed by military intervention if the population doesnt adhere.
Just had a thought while reading this. Am totally serious when I ask
this. Know the little idiot was acting up to his greatest goal in life. Has anyone said anything about farting around other groups of people? I can "crop dust" a few counties in Kansas/Nebraska...but coming out the other hand...does this make it less dangerous? It smells...but is it
still as dangerous as a cough or a sneeze?
I got about 1k rounds of 45ACP with an additional five mags. I also got everything registered correctly with the stupid California State weapon registry site hehe
i cannot believe we're here.. i have faith, i think the gov is going show up in a lot of ways; but i believe this is bigger than we're rea for. M@STERMiND
Yeah, I agree. And I also don't think this is a 2 week problem. I think this is the beginning of the "new normal" that we'll experience for at least a few months. It's already feeling reminiscent of the immediate shocking lifestyle changes we had to make following 9/11.
I drove from Palo Alto to Sacramento and back today, and there were a decent number of cars on the road. I never hit a traffic jam, but there was definitely parts of the flow that were moving slowly.
I also noticed a ton of cops on the road but they weren't pulling people over.
It's beginning to feel a bit creepy out there.
likewise... i just need 9mm, as i basically have one magazine and a paper weight.
On 03-20-20 19:37, mastermind wrote to Phoobar <=-
i dont know man; the way its going, i expect the american gov to
enforce lockdown this weekend, and switch to martial law if the
population doesnt adhere to its guidelines...
The government here are looking at targeted lockdowns on an as needed basis, to deal with clusters of infections.
I'm glad that I don't have to think about guns, ammo and
violence in Europe. From my perspective that is really a
strange idea ...
I also believe that you won't have more violence in the US, I
think it i more likely that it goes down.
us americans do believe in protecting ourselves against enemies;
foriegn AND domestic... im afraid the gov will make sure theres no
restock on the ammo - we're already completely sold out of every
type... possible to buy a shotgun and shells; but no 9mm or 45acp
until after national emergency. thats me guessing; but i think im
right. :(
Just had a thought while reading this. Am totally serious when I ask this. Know the little idiot was acting up to his greatest goal in lif Has anyone said anything about farting around other groups of people? can "crop dust" a few counties in Kansas/Nebraska...but coming out th other hand...does this make it less dangerous? It smells...but is it still as dangerous as a cough or a sneeze?I highly doubt it is as dangerous since it is a respiratory disease. Interesting to think about though lol :)
On 03-20-20 01:25, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The government here are looking at targeted lockdowns on an as needed basis, to deal with clusters of infections.
How does that work when infected persons can go symptom free for weeks
(if they show symptoms at all) yet are able to transmit the virus?
i dont know man; the way its going, i expect the american gov to enforce lockdown this weekend, and switch to martial law if the population doesnt adhere to its guidelines...
if you're being honest, i dont think a fart will transmit covid-19. it
is an airborne disease transferred through wet particles - on the
lighter side, i guess it depends on what type of fart you're bombing us with. :P
people were coughing into the air or their hands, some little
shit kid open mouth belched into the airplane gate boarding
line which was jammed full of people. Myself and one other
gentleman were the only people who
Just had a thought while reading this. Am totally serious when I ask
this. Know the little idiot was acting up to his greatest goal in
life. Has anyone said anything about farting around other groups of
people? I can "crop dust" a few counties in Kansas/Nebraska...but
coming out the other hand...does this make it less dangerous? It smells...but is it still as dangerous as a cough or a sneeze?
On 03-20-20 19:37, mastermind wrote to Phoobar <=-
i dont know man; the way its going, i expect the american gov to
enforce lockdown this weekend, and switch to martial law if the
population doesnt adhere to its guidelines...
The government here are looking at targeted lockdowns on an as needed basis, to deal with clusters of infections.
Hey guys, I had a bit of a freak out moment earlier today. The greater
San
Francisco Bay Area is going on lock down basically starting tonight at midnight and will be for the next three weeks at least.
This means a lot of people are not going to be able to work and
support
themselves or their families.
The disparity of wealth here is alarming. There are haves and
have-nots, and
nothing in between. Everyone on the other side of the freeway from
where I
live is totally screwed starting tonight at midnight.
I'm very worried about what happens when these people have no way to
feed
their families. How many meals does someone miss before they become criminals? I shudder to think what I'd do in that position.
So, I decided to clean my gun today and try to stock up on ammo. It's
a
strange feeling. But the US is a tinderbox waiting for violence to
erupt. We
have disparity of wealth and as many guns as people.
Our federal government is doing what they can to protect the economy,
but
only as it pertains to the wealthy; poor people don't pay rent or buy McDonalds because of their stock investments.
If the federal government really wanted to make sure we don't digress
into
mayhem, they'd give all families emergency spending money to the tune
of a
few thousand bucks a month and tell us to ride out the virus and stay
home.
But they won't do that, and it'll be anarchy out here. I'm pretty
worried.
I hate to sound alarmist but I hope fellow Americans mentally prepare themselves for this type of eventuality.
Oh I disagree... So far, no one has done anything WRONG. Yeah, overbu toilet paper and food might be 'disruptive' in a sense, but it's pani buying. I think it will die down. Bringing out the NG to 'keep the pe when people aren't doing anything illegal? Scary stuff...
People are still going out of their houses to go shopping and doing whatever else they feel like doing. That's kind of wrong in a pandemic.
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Where are you located? I don't have access to any 9mm (in California you can only buy ammo for the gun you have registered and in registered according to current paperwork correctly; it's actually tough) but we
can leverage friends to try to get you some.
i dont know man; the way its going, i expect the american gov to enforce lockdown this weekend, and switch to martial law if the population doesnt adhere to its guidelines...
The government here are looking at targeted lockdowns on an as needed basis, to deal with clusters of infections.
The government here are looking at targeted lockdowns on an as needed basis, to deal with clusters of infections.
How does that work when infected persons can go symptom free for weeks
(if they show symptoms at all) yet are able to transmit the virus?
I know, the US is a crazy paranoid country ... kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Not sure if the government is smart enough to do a nationwide lockdown. The problem is with as many open spaces out West here...they can't cover every square acre out there.
ryan wrote to mastermind <=-
Yeah, I agree. And I also don't think this is a 2 week problem. I
think this is the beginning of the "new normal" that we'll
experience for at least a few months. It's already feeling
reminiscent of the immediate shocking lifestyle changes we had to
make following 9/11.
mastermind wrote to ryan <=-
I got about 1k rounds of 45ACP with an additional five mags. I also got everything registered correctly with the stupid California State weapon registry site hehe
likewise... i just need 9mm, as i basically have one magazine and
a paper weight.
You own a gun, but don't have any ammo for it? <BOGGLE>
mastermind wrote to Gamgee <=-
You own a gun, but don't have any ammo for it? <BOGGLE>
i moved to oregon from texas last summer. sold my guns, as the
two states have differing laws.
bought one small piece when i got
here, and only bought range ammo... i have 30rounds or so, and
then i own a paper weight. i just want a few cases so i have SOME protection.
My GF said there was some case of COVID that spread due to shared plumbing,other hand...does this make it less dangerous? It smells...but i still as dangerous as a cough or a sneeze?I highly doubt it is as dangerous since it is a respiratory disease. Interesting to think about though lol :)
Now...the question of the day I will ask some at work. Will have to experiment with it as well as I walk around the store.
Embalmed wrote to Phoobar <=-
Now...the question of the day I will ask some at work. Will have to experiment with it as well as I walk around the store.
My GF said there was some case of COVID that spread due to shared plumbing, so I may be wrong in my assumption.
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My GF said there was some case of COVID that spread due to shared plumbing, so I may be wrong in my assumption.
Not related to the discussion at hand, but wanted to ask... IsYeah, it comes from my hackerspace whose chosen logo is that of the bookhouse boys from Twin Peaks. And there is a crappy ascii representation of it when you connect to the BBS.
your BBS name a reference to the 90's TV series "Twin Peaks"?
If so, that's freakin outstanding! One of the best shows ever to
be on TV!!! Well done sir.
Sounds like a rumor, my dude.https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-pipes-intl-hnk/index. html
what do you hear canada doing that the u.s. isnt? im not being a smart ass; i think were in a unique position to document this infection.
likewise... i just need 9mm, as i basically have one magazine and a p weight.
Where are you located? I don't have access to any 9mm (in California you can only buy ammo for the gun you have registered and in registered according to current paperwork correctly; it's actually tough) but we
can leverage friends to try to get you some.
The government here are looking at targeted lockdowns on an as needed basis, to deal with clusters of infections.
How does that work when infected persons can go symptom free for weeks
(if they show symptoms at all) yet are able to transmit the virus?
Sounds like a rumor, my dude.https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-pipes-intl-hnk/i html
That is, the transmission vector was the air-carrying
pipes, even if some fecal matter might have been involved
in the transmission.
But that article also doesn't talk about the conclusion
to the investigation. I suspect that the much simpler
explanation of asymptomatic community spread is the real
culprit here.
I saw in one of the Ansi art packs on the interwebs someone made some
twin peaks stuff, I would really like to use them on the site, but they were posted in PNG not ANSI, and I don't know where to find them for realsies.
smells...but is it still as dangerous as a cough or a sneeze?If you can't smell the farts anymore that would be a sign of Covid-19.
citizens who are at risk... which is slowly beginning to prove to be
much more than our aging population.
We knew, or should have known by the evidence, that this was a fucking pandemic...
writing is all over the wall, and im scared about the stupidity in our society. these folks arent grasping it.
My GF said there was some case of COVID that spread due to shared plumbing, so I may be wrong in my assumption.
carrying infected feces into the building's ventilation system and blowing it into people's bathrooms.
What "immediate shocking lifestyle changes" did you have to make
after 9/11?
If you know the group or pack name you can look it up and download it
from https://www.16colo.rs/
On 03-20-20 11:33, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The government here are looking at targeted lockdowns on an as needed basis, to deal with clusters of infections.
until the whole USA will be on big cluster (and the biggest in the
world).
On 03-21-20 02:13, mastermind wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The way its going in America, I think we need more than targeted lockdowns... and i'd highly suggest your country to do the same....
this thing is big; bigger than we thought. i've been creating a
timeline and i'll post it after reading all new... its skewed towards
the United States, but has plenty of nuggets of info...
We knew, or should have known by the evidence, that this was a fucking pandemic...
On 03-20-20 11:27, Oli wrote to Phoobar <=-
If you can't smell the farts anymore that would be a sign of Covid-19.
On 03-20-20 14:49, Phoobar wrote to Oli <=-
smells...but is it still as dangerous as a cough or a sneeze?If you can't smell the farts anymore that would be a sign of Covid-19.
Never going to happen...since anything I produce smells like anything
but a virus/bacteria has crawled up there & having a party. ;D
the load on the hospitals manageable. Continue doing this until a
vaccine is available (could be anything from 6 to 18 months). The
cycles would be in the order of a few (2-3 I think) weeks tightened,
Never going to happen...since anything I produce smells like anything but a virus/bacteria has crawled up there & having a party. ;DOr died weeks ago? ;P
BINGO, ryan... i fear that the United States has widespread infection
that we dont know about as of today. no fucking tests... well, very limited. (Hope no other countries citizens take offense to this, but...) America, the leader of the free world; and we dont have the millions and millions of tests that we need? what the actual....
M@STERMiND
It's from an orifice...so I just started going crazy & laughing atmyself.
I saw in one of the Ansi art packs on the interwebs someone made some twin peaks stuff, I would really like to use them on the site, but they were posted in PNG not ANSI, and I don't know where to find them for realsies.
If you know the group or pack name you can look it up and download it
from https://www.16colo.rs/
That's actually where I spotted it, but it is just a .PNG
That's actually where I spotted it, but it is just a .PNG
https://16colo.rs/pack/mist1019/PHILLLLLLJAMES-PATHTOBLACKLODGE.PNG
ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-
What "immediate shocking lifestyle changes" did you have to make
after 9/11?
The way that we travel changed immediately.
We initiated the Patriot Act and turned into a surveillance state.
We started our nation's longest war, followed by our nation's
stupidest war, that we're going to be paying for for out entire
lifetimes.
Embalmed wrote to Gamgee <=-
Not related to the discussion at hand, but wanted to ask... Is
your BBS name a reference to the 90's TV series "Twin Peaks"?
If so, that's freakin outstanding! One of the best shows ever to
be on TV!!! Well done sir.
Yeah, it comes from my hackerspace whose chosen logo is that of
the bookhouse boys from Twin Peaks. And there is a crappy ascii representation of it when you connect to the BBS.
I saw in one of the Ansi art packs on the interwebs someone made
some twin peaks stuff, I would really like to use them on the
site, but they were posted in PNG not ANSI, and I don't know
where to find them for realsies.
Phoobar wrote to mastermind <=-
We knew, or should have known by the evidence, that this was a fucking pandemic...
The last administration told the OPOS & its idiots this could
happen...but they refused to listen.
This being the case the
whole administration needs to face charges in The Hague of mass
genocide for the US and the racists more than willing to kill anything/anyone.
On 03-20-20 17:36, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
the load on the hospitals manageable. Continue doing this until a
vaccine is available (could be anything from 6 to 18 months). The
cycles would be in the order of a few (2-3 I think) weeks tightened,
Found this while doing some reading before going to work in about an
hour:
https://tinyurl.com/ua6866s
On 03-20-20 17:41, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Never going to happen...since anything I produce smells like anything but a virus/bacteria has crawled up there & having a party. ;DOr died weeks ago? ;P
That's why I have fur & hide coming out my backside. You are a
genius!!! ;D
It's from an orifice...so I just started going crazy & laughing atmyself.
A fundamental orrifice no less :) I reckon unless you're a nudist the chances are pretty low...
https://tinyurl.com/ua6866sYes, I remember some of those events being reported in the media here
(the ABC - abc.net.au is one of the most reputable mainstream media outlets, as it's our public broadcaster). And as I have said
previously, we have some of the best medical research on the planet - an enviable reputation that Australia has had for decades. That's
certainly going to help with this pandemic.
On 03-21-20 00:05, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
One thing I am worried about with this pandemic is the OPOS not
allowing it into the US with some lame excuse...but those with the
funds will have no problem getting it...while the rest of us either die
or suffer. Can see it forcing people into bidding wars to make sure
idiots like it will always make something off the teaming masses.
smells...but is it still as dangerous as a cough or a
sneeze?
If you can't smell the farts anymore that would be a sign of
Covid-19.
Never going to happen...since anything I produce smells like anything
but a virus/bacteria has crawled up there & having a party. ;D
On 03-20-20 11:33, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The government here are looking at targeted lockdowns on an as
needed basis, to deal with clusters of infections.
until the whole USA will be on big cluster (and the biggest in
the world).
Hmm, doesn't really follow (I wasn't talking about the US).
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Argos <=-
We are in Indianapolis and there's talk of that here - I said that "shelter in place" sounds better than "martial law," but is there
really any difference?
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Mastermind <=-
better, and I feel like things are going to change in a social way...
Just like airline travel changed after 9/11, I think this is going to change gatherings and how we respond to others that 'cough and sneeze.'
That's because the artist created it as a png, not an ansi image.
We are in Indianapolis and there's talk of that here - I said that "shelter in place" sounds better than "martial law," but is there really any difference?
It's more of a slippery slope.
Phoobar wrote to mastermind <=-
We knew, or should have known by the evidence, that this was a fuckin pandemic...
The last administration told the OPOS & its idiots this could happen...but they refused to listen.
Really? You know this how...?
Can you provide a reference/citation to back that up?
working from home in order to keep the office healthy, and telecommuting is embraced by management, I'd be happy.
We are in Indianapolis and there's talk of that here - I said th "shelter in place" sounds better than "martial law," but is ther really any difference?
It's more of a slippery slope.
Yes there is a difference. Shelter in place is a recommendation even a mandate for people to do themselves, martial law is enforced by military.
If the "10x tech bro coming into work with a contagious disease because he's a rockstar coder" mentality changes, managers respect people
working from home in order to keep the office healthy, and telecommuting is embraced by management, I'd be happy.
This is all just about finding the right manager and right job. I've been 100% remote for 7+ years and 3 different jobs.
One bizarre thing I'm noticing is that introverts, like me, are doing
rather well right now, but extroverts are stressed out and depressed. It also highlights how the world is built for extroverts, and now the other group is starting to understand what people like me deal with every day.
tenser wrote to Gamgee <=-
The last administration told the OPOS & its idiots this could happen...but they refused to listen.
Can you provide a reference/citation to back that up?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/pandemic-coro navirus-unite
d-states-trump-cdc/608215/ https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warnin g-scenario-pa
ndemic-132797 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-o utbreak.html https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/contrary-to-trumps-claim-a-pande mic-was-widel
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y-warned-of-coronavirus-threat
ryan wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Oh I disagree... So far, no one has done anything WRONG. Yeah, overbuying toilet paper and food might be 'disruptive' in a sense, but it's panic buying. I think it will die down. Bringing out the NG to 'keep the peace' when people aren't doing anything illegal? Scary stuff...
People are still going out of their houses to go shopping and doing whatever else they feel like doing. That's kind of wrong in a pandemic.
mastermind wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
We are in Indianapolis and there's talk of that here - I said that "shelter in place" sounds better than "martial law," but is there really any difference?
yes; that first shelter in place order will not be enforced by law enforecement... they'll be waiting, but martial law is after that. i
think it will become national shelter in place this weekend, followed
by military intervention if the population doesnt adhere.
3/19/2020
M@STERMiND
mastermind wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
On 18 Mar 2020 at 01:12p, Jimmy Anderson pondered and said...
Oli wrote to ryan <=-
I also believe that you won't have more violence in the US, I think i i more likely that it goes down.
Good point! Where I live, there are a lot of gun owners, so the 'gangs' would probably not come out here - too many good ole boys with shotguns and no objection to protecting mama!
anyone that can help a law abiding citizen with any 9mm rounds; i literally could use a few cases & wont be getting any in this
situation. help.
good ole america will still have one day shipping, if anyone has extra stock. message me please.
mastermind wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
This... I agree with this... I think it will get worse before it gets better, and I feel like things are going to change in a social way...
Just like airline travel changed after 9/11, I think this is going to change gatherings and how we respond to others that 'cough and sneeze.'
I'm also bothered by the almost matial law that's happening...
i dont know whether to be afraid of it, or that we're better off with
it; the only reason i say that is because of my fellow americans. we
arent exaclty made from the same grain that we were 50 years ago....
ryan wrote to mastermind <=-
can you help a brother? i am in need of some 9mm standard; even a few cases would be awesome... funny thing is; in america we will still be running our 'essential amazon' deliveries; really, if you can help with 9mm...
I got about 1k rounds of 45ACP with an additional five mags. I also got everything registered correctly with the stupid California State weapon registry site hehe
ryan wrote to mastermind <=-
i cannot believe we're here.. i have faith, i think the gov is going to show up in a lot of ways; but i believe this is bigger than we're ready for. M@STERMiND
Yeah, I agree. And I also don't think this is a 2 week problem. I think this is the beginning of the "new normal" that we'll experience for at least a few months. It's already feeling reminiscent of the immediate shocking lifestyle changes we had to make following 9/11.
That is what I was afraid of, and I haven't been able to locate a PNG -> ANSI converter.
Okay, just seems odd to me to not have an adequate supply,
including self-defense type. You can probably get some easily
enough online from places like Midway, AIM, Graffs, etc.
Yeah.... and every one of those stories has a political slant (to
the left). They also mention that the same (in)action occurred in
all the recent administrations.
This is nothing really new, but
it fits well into the agenda of folks infected with Trump
Derangement Syndrome.
I will leave it to the Canadians to give you more examples of how they
are taking action, mostly I only have examples of America's inaction.
Embalmed
Don't know anyone with a reloader? I know a ton of people who make
their own ammo and reuse their brass.
The government here are looking at targeted lockdowns on an as n basis, to deal with clusters of infections.
How does that work when infected persons can go symptom free for week (if they show symptoms at all) yet are able to transmit the virus?
Agreed, targetted lockdowns simply will be ineffective, everyone has to lockdown since there is no way to tell who is infected and who isn't.
Embalmed
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On 03-21-20 13:18, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 09:49:00 +1100
"Vk3jed -> Oli" <0@109.1.21> wrote:
On 03-20-20 11:33, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The government here are looking at targeted lockdowns on an as
needed basis, to deal with clusters of infections.
until the whole USA will be on big cluster (and the biggest in
the world).
Hmm, doesn't really follow (I wasn't talking about the US).
Right :). Too many messages too keep up, I was confused...
On 03-21-20 09:47, Embalmed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
working from home in order to keep the office healthy, and telecommuting is embraced by management, I'd be happy.
This is all just about finding the right manager and right job. I've
been 100% remote for 7+ years and 3 different jobs.
On 03-21-20 11:11, ryan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
One bizarre thing I'm noticing is that introverts, like me, are doing rather well right now, but extroverts are stressed out and depressed.
It also highlights how the world is built for extroverts, and now the other group is starting to understand what people like me deal with
every day.
On 03-21-20 15:16, Weatherman wrote to Embalmed <=-
This is all just about finding the right manager and right job. I've been 100% remote for 7+ years and 3 different jobs.
If I ever decide to get a different job, it would be exactly that.
100% remote
with zero travel.
There are still some old school management types that just can't grasp
the entire remote work plan. Slackers will slack at work or at home.
The technology is there for many of us to do this now and make it the norm. I'm completely for it!
My current job allows remote work but in my opinion it should be the
norm. It should be rare to come in the office, but then we still have people that can't figure out how to use Teams, video, or even bridge calls.
On 03-21-20 15:33, Weatherman wrote to Ryan <=-
Noticing the same thing. Honestly if I never had to go to another in person meeting again, I'd be 100% fine with that. Not a problem for me
to work 100% remote and not have face to face meetings. To me, that is better than the norm. The extroverts would disagree - but everyone is different.
citizens who are at risk... which is slowly beginning to prove to be much more than our aging population.
Look at the idiots screwing around on the beaches of Florida & saying whatever happens happens. This being the case...this is as bad as some
of the cases of HIV infected individuals infecting others. Maybe we
start suing some of these brats & see if their attitudes change.
tenser wrote to Gamgee <=-
Yeah.... and every one of those stories has a political slant (to
the left). They also mention that the same (in)action occurred in
all the recent administrations.
So which is it: all of those articles is a leftist political
hitjob against Trump, or they all say that all recent
administrations (including Obama's) have done the same thing?
This is nothing really new, but it fits well into the agenda of
folks infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
No, sorry, you're just wrong.
At one time, I worked in an "office" that had 4 people working at 3 separate locations. The closest (besides me) was nearly 100km from
where I lived at the time, the other was 2500 km away in New Zealand,
and it worked well. Lots of phone calls, which were mostly made over VoIP, before it was widely available outside enterprise settings. We
were able to make effectively free calls, and also had VPN access
between sites.
Yeah.... and every one of those stories has a political slant
(to the left). They also mention that the same (in)action
occurred in all the recent administrations.
So which is it: all of those articles is a leftist political
hitjob against Trump, or they all say that all recent
administrations (including Obama's) have done the same thing?
Well, it's both... They're all out to find a way to blame Trump,
but grudgingly admit that none of the past administrations did
anything about it, either. The take-away is that the USA sucks
and it's because of Trump, written craftily to produce that
effect.
This is nothing really new, but it fits well into the agenda
of folks infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
On 03-21-20 20:26, Embalmed wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Nice :) When I worked at a cloud provider we had a team in Dublin
Ireland we worked with a lot, and I was the only team member for my
team that worked in the office I did. So my other teammates were in
other facilities and I was even hired over the phone, never met the
boss until I started.
Was a good job, and I only left because they went under.
On 03-22-20 15:27, mastermind wrote to Phoobar <=-
i hate to say it, OR sending the military in to MAKE them stop. this is
a hard situation, quickly makes me have to really consider changing
what i think are my values and rights... stop the people who dont get
it.
On 03-21-20 20:22, Embalmed wrote to mastermind <=-
The problem is simply that it spreads without any symptoms, so you will never stop it without just stopping people interacting with each other.
Plus people can be reinfected, so getting it once doesn't mean you are safe. It lives on surfaces for many days, even 4 hours on copper.
People are still hanging out on Alki Beach, standing next to each other
to eat at the burger joint. And we have confirmed cases everywhere,
and know that we have been in community transmission at least 6 weeks. People just don't seem to really care.
Personally I'm not worried about getting it, I'm worried about transmitting it to people who are immunocompromised.
Well, it's both... They're all out to find a way to blame Trump,
but grudgingly admit that none of the past administrations did
anything about it, either. The take-away is that the USA sucks
and it's because of Trump, written craftily to produce that
effect.
This is nothing really new, but it fits well into the agenda of
folks infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
No, sorry, you're just wrong.
We all have our opinions, eh?
I'm infected with free market capitalism & free trade is the solution to everything syndrome. If the people who claim to hate trump wanted him out of office they would not be givng us another 4 yea rs of Trump by running candidates who I would not hire in a resturant.
On 03-22-20 19:27, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You see we're up to suspended services? Schools on early Hols next
week.. all non essentials shut down.
I have done that sort of work, 10+ years ago. It is very convenient, and I can be productive in a remote working environment, but I prefer to be more hands on, and future options are likely to be jobs that can't be done remotely. :)
For formal business meetings, I can go either way, but for those which
have a more social aspect, I prefer face to face. However, a local radio club has been testing Zoom, and for me, that works well, especially in
light of the alternative literally being nothing.
tenser wrote to Gamgee <=-
So which is it: all of those articles is a leftist political
hitjob against Trump, or they all say that all recent
administrations (including Obama's) have done the same thing?
Well, it's both... They're all out to find a way to blame Trump,
but grudgingly admit that none of the past administrations did
anything about it, either. The take-away is that the USA sucks
and it's because of Trump, written craftily to produce that
effect.
This is nothing really new, but it fits well into the agenda of
folks infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
No, sorry, you're just wrong.
We all have our opinions, eh?
ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-
Well, it's both... They're all out to find a way to blame Trump,
but grudgingly admit that none of the past administrations did
anything about it, either. The take-away is that the USA sucks
and it's because of Trump, written craftily to produce that
effect.
Eh...you know that a previous administration staffed a group at
the CDC tasked with working on how our country would respond to
this very issue, and Trump cut it by half in 2018, right?
The USA doesn't suck. Some of us just hold it to a higher
standard than it is right now.
Eh...you know that a previous administration staffed a group at
the CDC tasked with working on how our country would respond to
this very issue, and Trump cut it by half in 2018, right?
Yeah... Okay. Do you know that Obama's administration knew about
all this too, and did nothing about it? Read here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/pandemic-coronavirus- d-states-trump-cdc/608215/
The USA doesn't suck. Some of us just hold it to a higher
standard than it is right now.
That's what some of us were saying from 2008-2017. See above
article, all of that happened on Obama's watch. Where's the
outrage? Holding a simulated "wargame" exercise literally a
*WEEK* before Trump is inaugurated was supposed to help? The
*ONLY* reason that was done was so that liberals would have
something to point back to and say "See?! We warned them!".
Gimme a freakin break.
My current job allows remote work but in my opinion it should be the
norm. It should be rare to come in the office, but then we still have people that can't figure out how to use Teams, video, or even bridge calls.
ryan wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Oh I disagree... So far, no one has done anything WRONG. Yeah, overbu toilet paper and food might be 'disruptive' in a sense, but it's pani buying. I think it will die down. Bringing out the NG to 'keep the pe when people aren't doing anything illegal? Scary stuff...
People are still going out of their houses to go shopping and doing whatever else they feel like doing. That's kind of wrong in a pandemi
See, now you're getting into martial law territory...
My point is that if people do abide with "shelter in place" just because the government said to (not because it's the smart thing to to) then it's JUST AS GOOD as martial law...
I think this will be a test of what the government can get away with at the explanation of "for your own good." The Boston Marathan bombing, whether it was real or false flag, showed that Americans will roll over too illegal search...
Wish I could help... My wife gave her 9mm to our oldest son and all
the ammo too - then she bought anoter 9mm a few weeks ago and we
bought SOME, but not much...
I don't agree with it...
My thoughts exactly! My son tells me I'm wrong and this will 'blow over' and we'll get back to normal, but I don't think we'll ever see the old normal again...
Agree with all, except for the "people can be reinfected" part. Where's that documented? The scientific evidence shows that those who recover have antibodies that prevent reinfection (at least for a while).https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/15/can-you-get-infected-by-corona virus-twice-how-does-covid-19-immunity-work/#7246ecce5c0f
The problem is simply that it spreads without any symptoms, so you will never stop it without just stopping people interacting with each other. Plus people can be reinfected, so getting it once doesn't mean you are safe. It lives on surfaces for many days, even 4 hours on copper.
Right now people in Washington state are driving out to rural areas to 'get away from it all', and most likely are bringing Covid with them.
People are still hanging out on Alki Beach, standing next to each other
to eat at the burger joint. And we have confirmed cases everywhere, and know that we have been in community transmission at least 6 weeks.
People just don't seem to really care.
Personally I'm not worried about getting it, I'm worried about transmitting it to people who are immunocompromised.
Embalmed
Agree with all, except for the "people can be reinfected" part. Where's that documented? The scientific evidence shows that those who recover have antibodies that prevent reinfection (at least for a while).
hands on, and future options are likely to be jobs that can't be done remotely. :)
group affected is wider than thought; while the statistics say that ill
be OK... the risk is still there. 20% isnt 'safe' IMO.
Here, there were similar issues in Sydney, with Bondi beach having too many people on it. The authorities smartly closed the beach down,
and they've closed at least 5 beaches around Sydney to prevent
too many people from congregating together. There are powers in the various states of emergency that allow the safety measures to be
legally enforced. There's also provisions for massive fines (and
in some jurisdictions, jail time), if all else fails.
i understand - everywhere local is sold out; and online too, mostly; you can order bulk 1000rounds from some places, but i dont have the
hundreds of dollars extra right now to doso. :/
Hard to trust anything that comes out of China's media but there are a few articles here and there, mostly that say 'We don't know for sure, but there are some reports of reinfection'
tenser wrote to Gamgee <=-
Indeed, because I love my country, I want to see it do
better. Step one here is admitting we have a problem at
the top.
mastermind wrote to Weatherman <=-
wonder if theres a way to get into using SLACK, without having a work
team to use it with... i wanna get up to speed on slack.
tenser wrote to Gamgee <=-
Eh...you know that a previous administration staffed a group at
the CDC tasked with working on how our country would respond to
this very issue, and Trump cut it by half in 2018, right?
Yeah... Okay. Do you know that Obama's administration knew about
all this too, and did nothing about it? Read here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/pandemic-coronavirus- d-states-trump-cdc/608215/
Interesting article.
"We were warned in 2017, a week before inauguration day,
when Lisa Monaco, Barak Obama's outgoing homeland-security
advisor, gathered with Donald Trump's incoming
national-security officials and conducted an exercise
modeled on the administration's experiences with outbreaks
of swine flu, Ebola, and Zika. The simulation explored
how the U.S. government should respond to a flu pandemic
that halts international travel, upends global supply
chains, tanks the stock market, and burdens health-care
systems---all with a vaccine many months from
materializing."
A way to read this is that the outgoing administration
handed Trump's team a fully-formed playbook on how to
respond, based on hard-learned lessons and experience,
and he had three years to build on that and expand on
the previous administration's strategies. Instead, he
decided to dismantle the infrastructure.
The USA doesn't suck. Some of us just hold it to a higher
standard than it is right now.
That's what some of us were saying from 2008-2017. See above
article, all of that happened on Obama's watch. Where's the
outrage? Holding a simulated "wargame" exercise literally a
*WEEK* before Trump is inaugurated was supposed to help? The
*ONLY* reason that was done was so that liberals would have
something to point back to and say "See?! We warned them!".
Outrage about what, exactly? Obama's not president now.
Did the previous administration screw up? Quite possibly.
But your guy has had three years to address whatever
failings he was left with by the previous guy. What'd
he do during those years, aside from tweeting?
Trump is failing miserably in response to this.
Where
are the tests? Where are the masks? Where's the PPE
for the doctors, nurses, hospital workers, and first
responders? Don't give me platitudes or deflect to
Obama or blame the liberals: Trump is in charge now.
I'm in the Boston area; nurses at MGH and Brigham and
Women's hospitals, two of the TOP hospitals in the world,
have taken to social media begging for masks from their
friends. And people seriously want to turn around and
blame Obama, who's been out of office for three years?
Yeah that may be one way to read it.
Another way to read it is what the TWO PARAGRAPHS above the one
you quoted (in the original article) said. Funny how you missed
that, isn't it?
Those paragraphs say that "we were warned" in 2012 *AND* 2015 that
this kind of thing could happen. Who was President then??? Why
was nothing done? You love to say that Trump has had three years
to prepare... What did Obama do for those *FIVE* years on this subject...?
Oh, and who was President during the Ebola and MERS outbreaks...
That's right. What did he do about all that? Right again.
Nothing.
I explained that above. The outrage about Obama's INACTION during MULTIPLE serious disease outbreaks, all of which were *FAR* more
deadly than this current one. Why didn't Obama put into place all
these measures that you lefties now blame Trump for not doing?
Did the previous administration screw up? Quite possibly.
But your guy has had three years to address whatever
failings he was left with by the previous guy. What'd
he do during those years, aside from tweeting?
Again, see above. Obama had *LONGER* than three years, and
MULTIPLE outbreaks, and did nothing. What did he do during those
years, besides force government-mandated "healthcare" down the
throats of Americans who didn't want it?
Perhaps he is. Just like his predecessor.
Where
are the tests? Where are the masks? Where's the PPE
for the doctors, nurses, hospital workers, and first
responders? Don't give me platitudes or deflect to
Obama or blame the liberals: Trump is in charge now.
You'll have to ask the Obama administration where all those things
are.
It's not "deflecting", either, to say that. Just asking the
same questions you are.
I'm not "blaming" Obama.
I'm asking you why it's fair to blame
Trump for the EXACT same things that Obama did. None of you got
upset with him then. Why now?
This is where you can tell me that all the hate and outrage isn't "political"...
How many $ are you talking about? If you ordered them now would you
still get them?
Spec
tenser wrote to Gamgee <=-
Yeah that may be one way to read it.
Indeed.
Another way to read it is what the TWO PARAGRAPHS above the one
you quoted (in the original article) said. Funny how you missed
that, isn't it?
I didn't miss it. I read it. You misinterpreted it.
Vk3jed wrote to mastermind <=-
people from congregating together. There are powers in the various
states of emergency that allow the safety measures to be legally
enforced. There's also provisions for massive fines (and in some jurisdictions, jail time), if all else fails.
mastermind wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
My point is that if people do abide with "shelter in place" just because the government said to (not because it's the smart thing to to) then it's JUST AS GOOD as martial law...
I think this will be a test of what the government can get away with at the explanation of "for your own good." The Boston Marathan bombing, whether it was real or false flag, showed that Americans will roll over too illegal search...
so im with you... many in my community are with you; im at home this weekend, i had to go grocery shopping but am now figuring out delivery options... but a lot of folks ARENT doing so. i think that the sheeple are going to cause a bunch of issues for those of us that are heeding
to the COViD-19 threat. a lot of folks ARENT heeding... at all.
mastermind wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
[THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT MARTIAL LAW...]
I don't agree with it...
fundementally, i do not either. at all. in fact, its something that i
felt strongly about... the issue i have is that from what im seeing,
the majority of people - or at least whats visible to ME - is that us
as a whole are not abiding by shelter in place suggestions... fundementally, martial law is anti-american.. its the last thing id
ever want to have - its the last option.
im worried that sometime soon, we will have to make a choice whether to allow america to go down this COViD-19 road allowing the idiots of
society to fuck it up for the rest of us; or, placing safegaurds that yesterday were completely off the table for many of us. hell, if we let
it get crazy out of control were going to NEED societal intervention.
its very scary...
Embalmed wrote to Weatherman <=-
hands on, and future options are likely to be jobs that can't be done remotely. :)
I mean, cloud is cloud, try and be physically present to work on stuff
in AWS ;) As a Systems guy I saw the writing on the wall 10 years ago with the death of most data centers and mass migration to cloud. I pivoted in my career and took my systems and programming skills to
cloud land, and I highly doubt cloud providers are going anywhere
anytime soon. But if they do, I'll pivot again ;)
(is it really even a pivot or just an evolution.. hmmm..)
On 03-22-20 09:40, Weatherman wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I have done that sort of work, 10+ years ago. It is very convenient, and I can be productive in a remote working environment, but I prefer to be more hands on, and future options are likely to be jobs that can't be done remotely. :)
I prefer to be more hands on also. I would have gear shipped to my
house for me to design/configure and then I would spend one day in the office getting it physically put in place. That way you still spend
the vast majority of time in
the home office and only go in for physical installs.
On 03-22-20 09:43, Weatherman wrote to Vk3jed <=-
We use Zoom for conference call/video meetings at work, too. Also use Microsoft Teams which is more of a collaboration suite.
On 03-23-20 04:42, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Worst part about Bondage Beach was they have confirmed cases in backpackers who'd been to the beach. And strangely enough there's an infection spike going on there too. So everyone that was there has to
be at least a highly possible carrier... :( Morons...
On 03-22-20 22:52, Jimmy Anderson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to mastermind <=-
people from congregating together. There are powers in the various
states of emergency that allow the safety measures to be legally
enforced. There's also provisions for massive fines (and in some jurisdictions, jail time), if all else fails.
Hope they have enough jail space to allow no more than 10 people
in a cell. :-)
On 03-23-20 05:33, mastermind wrote to Weatherman <=-
wonder if theres a way to get into using SLACK, without having a work
team to use it with... i wanna get up to speed on slack.
allowing it into the US with some lame excuse...but those with theBy "it", I assume you mean any vaccine or cure (grammar was ambiguous).
or suffer. Can see it forcing people into bidding wars to make sure idiots like it will always make something off the teaming masses.Time will tell. I certainly have more confidence in our healthcare system, which would foot a large part of the bill.
One symptom (besides fever and dry cough an other stuff) is loss ofIf you can't smell the farts anymore that would be a sign ofNever going to happen...since anything I produce smells like anything but a virus/bacteria has crawled up there & having a party. ;D
Covid-19.
smell and taste:
i hate to say it, OR sending the military in to MAKE them stop. this is a hard situation, quickly makes me have to really consider changing what i think are my values and rights... stop the people who dont get it.
i dont know about you, but MY part of the country is MORE busy than
before the COViD-19 outbreak. i think my parking lots, and outside in general, has seen an UPTICK in traffic. the grocery stores are a literal festering MESS.
Like I said earlier, Obama isn't president:
Trump is. But Trump has utterly failed to lead.
Zoom is pretty good.
tribe rejects intellectual honesty at every turn. It's easier to say "..but Hillary! But Obama!" than admit being on the wrong side of
history in every decision in the past 40 years.
On 03-22-20 23:35, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
allowing it into the US with some lame excuse...but those with theBy "it", I assume you mean any vaccine or cure (grammar was ambiguous).
Yep. I also use "it" when talking about that OPOS...since it can't be human being this stupid/inhumane.
This is America. The ones who keep screwing us over will do everything they can do to force those like myself hand over as much as they can to keep making their money.
On 03-23-20 00:50, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Zoom is pretty good.
I find Zoom (vs WebEx, vs Teams, vs Slack Video) optimizes so much on video quality that when you have poor connectivity at any given time
for any reason, audio quality suffers most. I prefer alternatives due
to that; if something's going to degrade, let it be video, but keep
audio as-is.
tenser wrote to Gamgee <=-
Another way to read it is what the TWO PARAGRAPHS above the one
you quoted (in the original article) said. Funny how you missed that, isn't it?
I didn't miss it. I read it. You misinterpreted it.
Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say.
We're done here.
Like I said earlier, Obama isn't president:
Trump is. But Trump has utterly failed to lead.
You should just save your breath (or typing effort). The conservative tribe rejects intellectual honesty at every turn. It's easier to say "..but Hillary! But Obama!" than admit being on the wrong side of
history in every decision in the past 40 years.
On 03-22-20 09:43, Weatherman wrote to Vk3jed <=-
We use Zoom for conference call/video meetings at work, too.
Also use Microsoft Teams which is more of a collaboration
suite.
Zoom is pretty good.
Zoom is pretty good.
I find Zoom (vs WebEx, vs Teams, vs Slack Video) optimizes so much on
video quality that when you have poor connectivity at any given time
for any reason, audio quality suffers most. I prefer alternatives due
to that; if something's going to degrade, let it be video, but keep
audio as-is.
On 03-23-20 09:47, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I try to stay away from zoom, but had to use it yesterday. The quality
was shitty as always, didn't even work on my phone. Th UI is also not
very good. Does that mean that other solutions are even worse? I had
good experiences with
Jitsi Meet (and it works in the browser).
tenser wrote to Gamgee <=-
Eh...you know that a previous administration staffed a group at
the CDC tasked with working on how our country would respond to
this very issue, and Trump cut it by half in 2018, right?
Yeah... Okay. Do you know that Obama's administration knew about-
all this too, and did nothing about it? Read here:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/pandemic-coronavirus
d-states-trump-cdc/608215/
Interesting article.
"We were warned in 2017, a week before inauguration day,
when Lisa Monaco, Barak Obama's outgoing homeland-security
advisor, gathered with Donald Trump's incoming
national-security officials and conducted an exercise
modeled on the administration's experiences with outbreaks
of swine flu, Ebola, and Zika. The simulation explored
how the U.S. government should respond to a flu pandemic
that halts international travel, upends global supply
chains, tanks the stock market, and burdens health-care
systems---all with a vaccine many months from
materializing."
A way to read this is that the outgoing administration
handed Trump's team a fully-formed playbook on how to
respond, based on hard-learned lessons and experience,
and he had three years to build on that and expand on
the previous administration's strategies. Instead, he
decided to dismantle the infrastructure.
Yeah that may be one way to read it.
Another way to read it is what the TWO PARAGRAPHS above the one
you quoted (in the original article) said. Funny how you missed
that, isn't it?
Those paragraphs say that "we were warned" in 2012 *AND* 2015 that
this kind of thing could happen. Who was President then??? Why
was nothing done? You love to say that Trump has had three years
to prepare... What did Obama do for those *FIVE* years on this subject...?
Oh, and who was President during the Ebola and MERS outbreaks...
That's right. What did he do about all that? Right again.
Nothing.
The USA doesn't suck. Some of us just hold it to a higher
standard than it is right now.
That's what some of us were saying from 2008-2017. See above
article, all of that happened on Obama's watch. Where's the
outrage? Holding a simulated "wargame" exercise literally a
*WEEK* before Trump is inaugurated was supposed to help? The
*ONLY* reason that was done was so that liberals would have
something to point back to and say "See?! We warned them!".
Outrage about what, exactly? Obama's not president now.
I explained that above. The outrage about Obama's INACTION during MULTIPLE serious disease outbreaks, all of which were *FAR* more
deadly than this current one. Why didn't Obama put into place all
these measures that you lefties now blame Trump for not doing?
Did the previous administration screw up? Quite possibly.
But your guy has had three years to address whatever
failings he was left with by the previous guy. What'd
he do during those years, aside from tweeting?
Again, see above. Obama had *LONGER* than three years, and
MULTIPLE outbreaks, and did nothing. What did he do during those
years, besides force government-mandated "healthcare" down the
throats of Americans who didn't want it?
Trump is failing miserably in response to this.
Perhaps he is. Just like his predecessor.
Where
are the tests? Where are the masks? Where's the PPE
for the doctors, nurses, hospital workers, and first
responders? Don't give me platitudes or deflect to
Obama or blame the liberals: Trump is in charge now.
You'll have to ask the Obama administration where all those things
are. It's not "deflecting", either, to say that. Just asking the
same questions you are.
I'm in the Boston area; nurses at MGH and Brigham and
Women's hospitals, two of the TOP hospitals in the world,
have taken to social media begging for masks from their
friends. And people seriously want to turn around and
blame Obama, who's been out of office for three years?
I'm not "blaming" Obama. I'm asking you why it's fair to blame
Trump for the EXACT same things that Obama did. None of you got
upset with him then. Why now?
On 22 Mar 2020 at 10:16p, Gamgee pondered and said...
tenser wrote to Gamgee <=-
Another way to read it is what the TWO PARAGRAPHS above the one
you quoted (in the original article) said. Funny how you missed
that, isn't it?
I didn't miss it. I read it. You misinterpreted it.
Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say.
We're done here.
And meanwhile, people die.
This is America. The ones who keep screwing us over will do everythin they can do to force those like myself hand over as much as they can keep making their money.Yeah. that would suck. :(
On 03-23-20 23:26, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
This is America. The ones who keep screwing us over will do everythin they can do to force those like myself hand over as much as they can keep making their money.Yeah. that would suck. :(
Already seeing it happen. Those with money are getting their tests done...while the rest of us hope we don't die.
Already seeing it happen. Those with money are getting their tests done...while the rest of us hope we don't die.
And meanwhile, people die.
Thoughts and prayers.
Joacim Melin wrote to Gamgee <=-
I'm not "blaming" Obama. I'm asking you why it's fair to blame
Trump for the EXACT same things that Obama did. None of you got
upset with him then. Why now?
That was then and this is now. Trump fascists sure seem to like
to live in the past, because what happened in the past is the
only thing that helps them deal with the current fuckup that
resides in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Yeah - the pandemic is scary enough, but the loss of rights and the military stepping in scares me even more...
A friend of mine today said, "it's hard to have an uprising when you
can't get more than 10 people together..."
On 24 Mar 2020 at 06:41a, Joacim Melin pondered and said...
And meanwhile, people die.
Thoughts and prayers.
Please; this is a pandemic, not a mass shooting.
Joacim Melin wrote to Gamgee <=-
I'm not "blaming" Obama. I'm asking you why it's fair to blame
Trump for the EXACT same things that Obama did. None of you got
upset with him then. Why now?
That was then and this is now. Trump fascists sure seem to like
to live in the past, because what happened in the past is the
only thing that helps them deal with the current fuckup that
resides in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Hahaha - another one who's infected with Trump Derangement
Syndrome. You'll be suffering with that for another 4.5 years,
enjoy it.
Perhaps you should just mind your own Euro-commie country's
business.
Already seeing it happen. Those with money are getting their tests done...while the rest of us hope we don't die.Here, tests are being prioritised for people who (1) show symptoms and
(2) have potentially been exposed to the virus (been in contact with someone who has it, is a healthcare worker, recently returned from overseas, etc).
I see the Trumpmeister is getting ready to send you back to work and
open shop again. Ahh she'll be right, we'll sacrifice GrandMa and
GrandPa and a few million middle agers.... So you can keep money in my pocket... Sheesh..
the president of the united states has had a change of heart; NOW, he
says this 3/24/20 morning that "the cure cant be worse than the disease" and wants to allow america to fully go back to work... to accept
whatever the virus throws at our country, and just move forward.
im only talking for myself; but i dont trust president donald trump to do anything more than create good [at best] reality television for the sheeple.
Sorry, I thought that was the American way: let's not fix what is broken and let's not change what is bad to become better - simply shrug andPlease; this is a pandemic, not a mass shooting.And meanwhile, people die.Thoughts and prayers.
offer throughts and prayers and think that "I'm not affected so fuck
it".
im only talking for myself; but i dont trust president donald trump to do anything more than create good [at best] reality television for the sheeple.
Sorry, I thought that was the American way: let's not fix what is broken and let's not change what is bad to become better - simply shrug and
offer throughts and prayers and think that "I'm not affected so fuck
it".
Already seeing it happen. Those with money are getting their tests done...while the rest of us hope we don't die.
I see the Trumpmeister is getting ready to send you back to work and
open shop again. Ahh she'll be right, we'll sacrifice GrandMa and
GrandPa and a few million middle agers.... So you can keep money in my pocket... Sheesh..
Spec
the president of the united states has had a change of heart; NOW, he says this 3/24/20 morning that "the cure cant be worse than the disea and wants to allow america to fully go back to work... to accept whatever the virus throws at our country, and just move forward.
im only talking for myself; but i dont trust president donald trump t anything more than create good [at best] reality television for the sheeple.
The OPOS is losing millions a day it can't afford...so of course he will say this. On the other hand...the states which are already doing
something are going to give it a 1-finger salute. It might try to get
the National Guard activated...but when they are scared of catching the disease for the pay of following a POS who doesn't pay it's own
bills...it just might not have much to force...except getting of Fox Stupid & cry about it. To the OPOS...I say...F**k You & the Horse You
Rode In On! You end up dead...they better have a permanent hazmat team
to keep people from pissing/deficating on its grave.
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Re: Re: COVID in USA
By: mastermind to Jimmy Anderson on Wed Mar 25 2020 04:43 am
im only talking for myself; but i dont trust president donald trump to anything more than create good [at best] reality television for the sheeple.
Nor do the networks - they cut off the President's briefing yesterday. I wish they'd get the experts on first, then have Trump contradict them.
I'd much rather hear them speak first them have them switch to another program. --- SBBSecho 3.09-Win32
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Joacim Melin wrote to tenser <=-
Thoughts and prayers.
Please; this is a pandemic, not a mass shooting.
Sorry, I thought that was the American way: let's not fix what is
broken and let's not change what is bad to become better - simply
shrug and offer throughts and prayers and think that "I'm not
affected so fuck it".
Phoobar wrote to Spectre <=-
Heard the OPOS is losing millions it doesn't have or can afford.
It thinks it can try...but the states are going to have a lot to
say about this. Some of these will give it the 1 finger
salute...while the Democrats/Progressives will run on how it &
those just like it want to kill grandma/grandpa to line their
pockets. If it were me doing those spots...I would just start
flashing dead bodies/pictures of those who died from this all
over the place & start asking these fundamentalists why it was so important to put people in harm's way to make the OPOS a few
extra bucks.
Amen. trump is a certain kind of scumbag, that should be reserved for mediocre reality television only.... oh, jesus, kinda like fox news... oops.
Nor do the networks - they cut off the President's briefing yesterday wish they'd get the experts on first, then have Trump contradict them I'd much rather hear them speak first them have them switch to anothe program. --- SBBSecho 3.09-Win32
Vk3jed wrote to Oli <=-
I've had good results with Zoom. As for browser based, that's good and bad. I prefer not to have my browser doing the meeting, because I may
be doing something else, and crash it (or need to restart the broser).
And besides, I use a phone, not a PC for online meetings nowadays.
Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Already seeing it happen. Those with money are getting their tests done...while the rest of us hope we don't die.
Spectre wrote to Phoobar <=-
I see the Trumpmeister is getting ready to send you back to work and
open shop again.
You have some pretty serious mental (delusional) issues.
Just telling you in case you didn't know.
Perhaps you should go to the hospital...? ;-)
On 03-24-20 08:32, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've only got 8 gb of RAM in my desktop, and I've been using it over my laptop for the dual monitors, nice keyboard, mouse, etc.
Using Teams, Slack, Outlook and OneDrive in a browser uses less memory
and works pretty much as well than using the standalone clients.
I haven't tried Zoom yet, I have a Zoom call later this week and will
see if they have a web option.
That was then and this is now. Trump fascists sure seem to like to live
in the past, because what happened in the past is the only thing that
helps them deal with the current fuckup that resides in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
There is a reason Canada & other countries refuse to allow this sh1tty programming not being shown in their homes. Heard they tried Fox Stupid
in the UK...but they lost so much money they took if off the bird. Now...if only the same thing would happen...this country would automatically be a much better place.
Nor do the networks - they cut off the President's briefing yest wish they'd get the experts on first, then have Trump contradict I'd much rather hear them speak first them have them switch to a program. --- SBBSecho 3.09-Win32
The problem is they let this POS have free air time & gladly do it. If they would only shut the POS down on the first lie (when it takes in air to talk without saying anything at all)...would piss it off & save the country from hearing the head idiot try to fit in.
where do you find the most unbiased meida coverage? i *used to* use CNN-
i feel like a decade ago they were less biased towards the left, but
since [and before] trump, they are the left. fox is... just sheesh.
currently, i like NPR... they are still left-leaning, and show small bias when reporting at times... but for a lot of their info, you just get the facts... sprinkled in with tongue-in-cheek left leaning remarks at times...
where do you find the most unbiased meida coverage? i *used to* use
CNN- i feel like a decade ago they were less biased towards the left,
but since [and before] trump, they are the left. fox is... just
sheesh.
currently, i like NPR... they are still left-leaning, and show small
bias when reporting at times... but for a lot of their info, you just
get the facts... sprinkled in with tongue-in-cheek left leaning
remarks at times...
where do you like to consume media? what are the most unbiased places
you know to read? do you search sites away from the united states?
From a European perspective I find it amusing that CNN is seen as left.
Already seeing it happen. Those with money are getting their tests done...while the rest of us hope we don't die.The dystopian part of it all is watching professional sports teams
getting first priority over testing - entire teams getting tested in a matter of hours, and the media reporting it like we should be grateful
our idols are getting tested.
Please keep your Fidonet Sysop dribble out of fsxnet..
But you bring up a good point. Progressives in the US are seen as
far-left wingnuts, but the Democratic party in the USA is pretty center right when compared to the rest of the civilized world. I think we fail
to appreciate how fringe right wing our country has become as a western nation. It skews our center to the far right as well.
where do you find the most unbiased meida coverage? i *used to* use CNN-
i feel like a decade ago they were less biased towards the left, but
since [and before] trump, they are the left. fox is... just sheesh.
where do you like to consume media? what are the most unbiased places you know to read? do you search sites away from the united states?
i also dig BBC and try to search other countries, especially in this COViD-19 age.
yea; yesterays [3/24/20] FOX town hall in the white house rode garden broadcast was a JOKE! it was basically what you stated, a microphone for trump to state any BS lies that he wants the American public to hear. there was so much BS in that 50-minute broadcast that the retorts from CNN/other media claimed several errors in facts.
The Democratic party would be center-right at best here in Canada. Our centrist party, The Liberal Party of Canada is further left than the dems.
On 03-25-20 12:59, ryan wrote to Oli <=-
But you bring up a good point. Progressives in the US are seen as
far-left wingnuts, but the Democratic party in the USA is pretty center right when compared to the rest of the civilized world. I think we fail
to appreciate how fringe right wing our country has become as a western nation. It skews our center to the far right as well.
On 03-25-20 17:14, Netsurge wrote to ryan <=-
The Democratic party would be center-right at best here in Canada. Our
centrist party, The Liberal Party of Canada is further left than the
dems.
Or died weeks ago? ;P
On 03-21-20 12:25, buanzo wrote to Vk3jed <=-
On 21 Mar 2020, Vk3jed said the following...
Or died weeks ago? ;P
ROFLMAO -
Now seriously, I read the advance symptons are diarrhea and lack of apetite.
So watch out for that.
On 03-26-20 11:04, Spectre wrote to Netsurge <=-
But both the Liberal and Labour Parties are just about the flip side of the same coin... they're only about 1 step away from being the same
party. In my eyes anyway.
Vk3jed wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
On 03-22-20 22:52, Jimmy Anderson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to mastermind <=-
people from congregating together. There are powers in the various
states of emergency that allow the safety measures to be legally
enforced. There's also provisions for massive fines (and in some jurisdictions, jail time), if all else fails.
Hope they have enough jail space to allow no more than 10 people
in a cell. :-)
Good point. But now there's plenty of empty hotel rooms they could
use. ;)
On 03-25-20 14:56, Jimmy Anderson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Hope they have enough jail space to allow no more than 10 people
in a cell. :-)
Good point. But now there's plenty of empty hotel rooms they could
use. ;)
LOL - very true!
Please keep your Fidonet Sysop dribble out of fsxnet..
No, it doesn't, I only brought it up because we still don't know enough about how it transmits, and I certainly don't want to be one of the
people spreading false information, even if it is about farts :D
Embalmed wrote to All <=-
Well, turns out maybe we should be a little worried about farts after
all.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-fart s/
Dr. What wrote to Embalmed <=-
Embalmed wrote to All <=-
Well, turns out maybe we should be a little worried about farts after
all.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-fart s/
Many diseases can be spread that way. That is one of the reasons it became socially important to wear some sort of pants/underware.
On 04-24-20 00:12, calcmandan wrote to Dr. What <=-
Many diseases can be spread that way. That is one of the reasons it became socially important to wear some sort of pants/underware.
If this is true I'm in trouble.
Vk3jed wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 04-24-20 00:12, calcmandan wrote to Dr. What <=-
Many diseases can be spread that way. That is one of the reasons it became socially important to wear some sort of pants/underware.
If this is true I'm in trouble.
Dare I ask? ;)
Vk3jed wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 04-24-20 00:12, calcmandan wrote to Dr. What <=-
Many diseases can be spread that way. That is one of the reasons it became socially important to wear some sort of pants/underware.
If this is true I'm in trouble.
Dare I ask? ;)
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calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 04-24-20 00:12, calcmandan wrote to Dr. What <=-
Many diseases can be spread that way. That is one of the reasons it became socially important to wear some sort of pants/underware.
If this is true I'm in trouble.
Dare I ask? ;)
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Vk3jed wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 04-24-20 00:12, calcmandan wrote to Dr. What <=-
Many diseases can be spread that way. That is one of the reasons it became socially important to wear some sort of pants/underware.
If this is true I'm in trouble.
Dare I ask? ;)
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On 04-24-20 03:08, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Many diseases can be spread that way. That is one of the reasons it became socially important to wear some sort of pants/underware.
If this is true I'm in trouble.
Dare I ask? ;)
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Sneaky wrote to calcmandan <=-
Hi calcmandan
Whoops, sorry posted by mistake
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Vk3jed wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 04-24-20 00:12, calcmandan wrote to Dr. What <=-
Many diseases can be spread that way. That is one of the reasons it became socially important to wear some sort of pants/underware.
If this is true I'm in trouble.
Dare I ask? ;)
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