Does anyone use this? https://telegram.org/
I'm thinking about making a MagickaBBS channel as another method of support, instead of IRC (I was thinking about IRC, but can't really idle in there forever).
It is opensource, encrypted, and runs on Mac, PC and Linux as well as iOS and android. It also has an API which I think I could build a bridge to echomail.
If you want to join me click here: http://t.me/magickabbs
How does it differ from say Keybase Andrew? At first blush it looks
like the same kind of thing. I think...
Quoting apam to All <=-
If you want to join me click here: http://t.me/magickabbs
Quoting apam to All <=-
If you want to join me click here: http://t.me/magickabbs
I joined and will check it out!
On 10-15-18 13:14, apam wrote to All <=-
Hi
Does anyone use this? https://telegram.org/
Does anyone use this? https://telegram.org/
On Sunday, October 14th apam muttered...
Does anyone use this? https://telegram.org/
Have never used that, but FWIW there are a lot of BBSers on Discord.
As a general comment I find it really interesting BBSers want to have conversations on mediums like Discord, Facebook etc. perhaps at the
expense of BBS? Dunno.. Just putting it out there.
The idea of using telegram was to have something a bit more instantaneous and people could get help quicker, easier and not necessarily from me. There is also always the case of those who may need help setting up echomail, and if echomail is the only way to get help, it's a bit of a catch 22.
around once set up the level of chatter asking for help about x,y,z
using means other than echomail that sits outside the BBS experience.
I see this in Facebook groups quite a bit for BBSing. But if that's
where folks choose to go to solve their BBS issues, well that's their choice.
As a general comment I find it really interesting BBSers want to have conversations on mediums like Discord, Facebook etc. perhaps at the expense of BBS? Dunno.. Just putting it out there.
As a general comment I find it really interesting BBSers want to have conversations on mediums like Discord, Facebook etc. perhaps at the expense of BBS? Dunno.. Just putting it out there.
I don't really know why people do things, but I guess it's people post
for help where they think they're most likely to get help, perhaps convenience is also a factor - ie you can check facebook or whatever on your phone, where as it might not be possible to connect to your
favorite bbs, or at least not as convenient.
On 10-16-18 19:09, echicken wrote to Avon <=-
Some situations really do benefit from real-time chat rather than being dragged out for days in a message area. I like IRC for this (and it
can be made available to users on your BBS) but really Discord etc. can
On 10-16-18 18:44, Blue White wrote to apam <=-
You've hit upon something there. If I want to connect to a FB group
about BBSing during my lunch break, I can do so on my phone. I would
need to use my work PC to log onto a web BBS, and I am pretty sure that
is frowned upon. :)
I don't really know why people do things, but I guess it's people
for help where they think they're most likely to get help, perhap convenience is also a factor - ie you can check facebook or whate
your phone, where as it might not be possible to connect to your favorite bbs, or at least not as convenient.
You've hit upon something there. If I want to connect to a FB group
about BBSing during my lunch break, I can do so on my phone. I would
need to use my work PC to log onto a web BBS, and I am pretty sure
that is frowned upon. :)
locals!), Telegram tends to work much better than IRC, because of its ability to give notifications. I tend to leave IRC in the background and
Discord, that's voice conferencing, isn't it? Voice is of no use to me,
But I agree, having multiple support options, including echomail, is the best.
I put a lot of work into the web interface for magicka, trying to get it to work ok on Mobile. I didn't really succeed though - how do you fit 80 columns of ansi rendered text without scrolling or making the font impossibly small?
I'm definitely not a web designer either so that doesn't help lol
Would be nice if there were more of a central gathering place; more
users, more chatter. An IRC network with general BBS chat and software-specific channels, etc. The last time I was a part of
something like that it was a lot of fun, though admittedly I didn't
always make it a better place, being younger and more of a jerk then.
:D
Also, find some front-end framework that's good at scaling from
mobile to desktop. I use Bootstrap; I'm sure an actual front-end web
dev would have other opinions. (I'm more for the server-side of
things, and muddle around in the browser when I need to.)
I'm definitely not a web designer either so that doesn't help lol
Nor I. I just lean on my opinionated and probably often wrong
aesthetic sense.
Synchronet was in sore need of a new web UI; I'm now on my fourth
effort toward making something decent. Can't say that I've entirely succeeded, but I'm getting there.
But I agree, having multiple support options, including echomail, is the best.
You've hit upon something there. If I want to connect to a FB group about BBSing during my lunch break, I can do so on my phone. I would need to use my work PC to log onto a web BBS, and I am pretty sure that is frowned upon. :)
I put a lot of work into the web interface for magicka, trying to get it to work ok on Mobile. I didn't really succeed though - how do you fit 80 columns of ansi rendered text without scrolling or making the font impossibly small?
Discord, that's voice conferencing, isn't it? Voice is of no use to m
I haven't used it much, just tried it a couple of times to see what it
was about. It struck me as mostly a flashy IRC analogue, mostly text
chat with the option of voice. It was like an ugly Slack. Popular
among gamers, I gather.
On one hand, I like having lots of stuff going on so I don't mind
engaging via a bunch of different channels. On the other hand it's a
bit annoying to have a bunch of different clients / channels that
perform the same function. Bit of a toss-up.
Would be nice if there were more of a central gathering place; more
users, more chatter. An IRC network with general BBS chat and software-specific channels, etc. The last time I was a part of
something like that it was a lot of fun, though admittedly I didn't
always make it a better place, being younger and more of a jerk then. :D
I could go on and on. I've always enjoyed online communication,
Would be nice if there were more of a central gathering place; more users, more chatter. An IRC network with general BBS chat and
I totally agree with this. My problem with IRC is only that I can't idle 24/7, and as there is no backlog when I log in I miss peoples questions.
But yeah I agree, it would be nice to have things more centralized, even with message networks. I imagine DM being a little frustrated with people
with message networks. I imagine DM being a little frustrated with people posting Synchronet questions in fsxnet, sure there are people here who
may be able to answer them, but it means if he wants to know what's going on he has multiple places to keep an eye out.
Me too :) In the end folks opt to go where folks opt to go for their
online chatter... but I agree it seems so nutty to create more and
more options especially if it's mostly the same users active in all communication channels.
I don't see it as nutty. Conversations are already fragmented over many different echo nets, be it fidonet, dovenet, fsxnet, agoranet, retronet, insert-name-net etc. Then there is mRC, IRC, discord, facebook, youtube etc.
It would suggest there isn't a single all encompassing method that works. So my thinking is perhaps we need to step back and find a way of either carrying these conversations over a variety of methods, or finding a new method that works, else put up with the fragmentation.
For one thing, people are always starting new nets. For whatever reason. What if there was a way to carry common echo areas across all nets, then people could experiment and play and still keep the conversations together. What if an IRC bot, telegram bot etc could relay messages to said echo areas as well?
BBSes are fun, we can all agree on that, involving our BBSes in our conversations is fun (else what else would we have them for) but how can we carry these conversations those who either cant or don't want to use a bbs at a particular time for whatever reason?
Just some thoughts. I'm on my second six-pack, so ymmv :P
Hey Paul
Going to snip that reply and flag it (cos I can do that on magicka :P)
and re-read it later, I'm a bit drunk now lol.
Just want to say I don't think you're ranting at me, and I hope you don't think I am at you. Just passionatly trying to get my thoughts out in text :P Besides these are all just ideas and thoughts, and subject to change,
important and I value you and your friendship more than such particulars.
I've really enjoyed this chat... and note we didn't discuss clouds
and rain once ;-)
On 10-17-18 00:10, echicken wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That really depends on your IRC client. It's not an inherent
limitation in the protocol. I have no suggestions in this regard; what
I use is fairly basic.
Discord, that's voice conferencing, isn't it? Voice is of no use to me,
I haven't used it much, just tried it a couple of times to see what it
was about. It struck me as mostly a flashy IRC analogue, mostly text
chat with the option of voice. It was like an ugly Slack. Popular
among gamers, I gather.
But I agree, having multiple support options, including echomail, is the best.
On one hand, I like having lots of stuff going on so I don't mind
engaging via a bunch of different channels. On the other hand it's a
bit annoying to have a bunch of different clients / channels that
perform the same function. Bit of a toss-up.
Would be nice if there were more of a central gathering place; more:D
users, more chatter. An IRC network with general BBS chat and software-specific channels, etc. The last time I was a part of
something like that it was a lot of fun, though admittedly I didn't
always make it a better place, being younger and more of a jerk then.
I could go on and on. I've always enjoyed online communication,
IRC-like or otherwise, so I enjoy trying different methods and
considering the possibilities. I didn't care too much about computers until the first time I saw a BBS and realized ... wow, there's a whole world in there.
On 10-17-18 19:15, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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On 10/17/18, Vk3jed pondered and said...
But I agree, having multiple support options, including echomail, is the best.
I agree with this. For me being able to read a thread and take part in
a conversation in writing that can span multiple time zones is
enjoyable. By having something written you can review it again and
track back through a thread if you need to in order to clarify
something you might has missed or misunderstood. I can see how Facebook caters to that with a post and comments etc. But I also can't really
see any difference in those terms between posting in BBS echomail vs
doing on FB (for example)
On 10-17-18 14:27, apam wrote to echicken <=-
I totally agree with this. My problem with IRC is only that I can't
idle 24/7, and as there is no backlog when I log in I miss peoples questions. Telegram seems to have this.
But yeah I agree, it would be nice to have things more centralized,
even with message networks. I imagine DM being a little frustrated with people posting Synchronet questions in fsxnet, sure there are people
here who may be able to answer them, but it means if he wants to know what's going on he has multiple places to keep an eye out.
I like how dovenet exports(?) to fidonet, so even if people are not on dovenet they can participate. I wish that were the case with all the
bbs softwares, and possibly connected to all the nets. Sort of like
multiple carriers of the same content. Say dovenet had FSX_MYS and
fsxnet had the synchronet area. While they can keep their exlusive
areas, there is also some overlap.
I dunno. Maybe it's the beer talking. I've had a few ;P
On 10-17-18 14:35, apam wrote to echicken <=-
Also, find some front-end framework that's good at scaling from
mobile to desktop. I use Bootstrap; I'm sure an actual front-end web
dev would have other opinions. (I'm more for the server-side of
things, and muddle around in the browser when I need to.)
Yep I'm using bootstrap these days, it works pretty well. I'll think
about your suggestion of removing the ANSI rendering, or at least
making it optional, and have different defaults on the desktop vs
mobile.
I'm definitely not a web designer either so that doesn't help lol
Nor I. I just lean on my opinionated and probably often wrong
aesthetic sense.
Synchronet was in sore need of a new web UI; I'm now on my fourth
effort toward making something decent. Can't say that I've entirely succeeded, but I'm getting there.
You've done a pretty good job! I've seen your work on some BBSes I
visit. For myself I don't mean I'm not able to see what looks good and what doesn't. I just lack the skills to implement my ideas. What I have done involved a lot of googling CSS syntax etc :P
On 10-17-18 19:36, Avon wrote to apam <=-
PS this is not a rant at you etc. I'm really just thinking and typing
as I go so wanted to make it clear that no annoyance or anything like
that should be inferred in my tone. And that is one area where written does fall down over voice / video because we can only read something
and then infer (some times incorrectly) any emotional overtones etc. in what is typed. :) <-- hence I use a lot of these as you know :)
On 10-17-18 16:47, apam wrote to Avon <=-
to change, you may change my mind on matters, I may change yours, it's
not that important and I value you and your friendship more than such particulars.
On 10-17-18 19:53, Avon wrote to apam <=-
Yeah the crux of the issue being discussed is, is there an issue /
problem or not? And I think like all curly ones the answer becomes 'it
all depends' because depending on how someone views all of this stuff
that we're riffing about.. will in turn guide their view of it being a problem or a non issue.
This idea has been mooted before perhaps by you?? Not sure. In any
regard yep I agree it might work well if others opt in. You could say
it already is in place in that gateways between say Usenet and Fidonet
or Usenet/fsxNet play a similar role... bridging content between to discrete networks.
I need a beer to reflect on this, and perhaps some sleep and others to chime in as well :)
Just some thoughts. I'm on my second six-pack, so ymmv :P
I've really enjoyed this chat... and note we didn't discuss clouds and rain once ;-)
On 10-17-18 19:17, Avon wrote to apam <=-
Answer is you don't.. just display ASCII menu options... I use a telnet client on my iPhone daily to check and reply to messages. I only need
cell data and I can access messages anywhere. :)
On 10-17-18 16:43, apam wrote to Avon <=-
It would suggest there isn't a single all encompassing method that
works. So my thinking is perhaps we need to step back and find a way of either carrying these conversations over a variety of methods, or
finding a new method that works, else put up with the fragmentation.
For one thing, people are always starting new nets. For whatever
reason. What if there was a way to carry common echo areas across all nets, then people could experiment and play and still keep the conversations together. What if an IRC bot, telegram bot etc could
relay messages to said echo areas as well?
BBSes are fun, we can all agree on that, involving our BBSes in our conversations is fun (else what else would we have them for) but how
can we carry these conversations those who either cant or don't want to use a bbs at a particular time for whatever reason?
I totally agree with this. My problem with IRC is only that I can't idle 24/7, and as there is no backlog when I log in I miss peoples questions. Telegram seems to have this.
But yeah I agree, it would be nice to have things more centralized, even with message networks. I imagine DM being a little frustrated with people posting Synchronet questions in fsxnet, sure there are people here who
may be able to answer them, but it means if he wants to know what's going on he has multiple places to keep an eye out.
I like how dovenet exports(?) to fidonet, so even if people are not on dovenet they can participate. I wish that were the case with all the bbs softwares, and possibly connected to all the nets. Sort of like multiple carriers of the same content. Say dovenet had FSX_MYS and fsxnet had the synchronet area. While they can keep their exlusive areas, there is also some overlap.
I prefer the latter, one of the main reasons for few echos in fsxNet is exactly that reason..
Me too :) In the end folks opt to go where folks opt to go for their online chatter... but I agree it seems so nutty to create more and more options especially if it's mostly the same users active in all communication channels.
Discord, that's voice conferencing, isn't it? Voice is of no use to me, practically inaccessible, because I rarely have a free environment for voice, but text is a lot easier.
I guess for me I'm coming from a place with Magicka at the center. Yeah I've not been as active as I should be and I've talked a whole lot more than I've coded lately, but it seems to be picking up a little bit. Magicka doesn't have a specific home. I tried it with HappyNetX, but perhaps I didn't push it enough but it didn't happen ie it's been a bit
of a flop. FSX_BBS is the next best thing but it's shared by synchronet and whatever not mystic specific bbs question there is. So Magicka
doesn't really have a place to call home that people can associate
Magicka = this place. (Like synchronet = dovenet, mystic = fsx_mys etc)/
What I'd really like, and am to afraid to ask, is for a seperate channel on fsxnet that I could gate between happynetx, and call it home. It might not get the traffic that is needed for an fsxnet area, but it would mean
I can say both fsxnet is home and for the tinkerer happynetx is.
I put a lot of work into the web interface for magicka, trying to get
it to work ok on Mobile. I didn't really succeed though - how do you
fit 80 columns of ansi rendered text without scrolling or making the
font impossibly small?
For one thing, people are always starting new nets. For whatever
reason. What if there was a way to carry common echo areas across all nets, then people could experiment and play and still keep the conversations together. What if an IRC bot, telegram bot etc could
relay messages to said echo areas as well?
On 10-17-18 16:19, NuSkooler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@TZ: 4168
On Tuesday, October 16th Vk3jed was heard saying...
Discord, that's voice conferencing, isn't it? Voice is of no use to me, practically inaccessible, because I rarely have a free environment for voice, but text is a lot easier.
It /has/ voice ability, but it's generally used for text based chat -- more of a modern IRC I suppose.
On 10-17-18 18:30, Blue White wrote to apam <=-
Used to be, you might find the same software support echo across more
than one network. Even today, the Synchronet support echos that are hosted on DoveNet are also available on FIDO.
If one could find a way to do it, one could probably get their BBS
support echo carried on multiple networks. You would need some
software that would allow it to be carried over multiple zones/domains,
if there were multiple FTN networks involved. You would probably need
to be a member of those multiple nets as well.
Just posting these thoughts as a bit of an idea dump and seeking
feedback from the others here. :)
Just posting these thoughts as a bit of an idea dump and seeking feedback from the others here. :)
I don't know. I was pretty drunk yesterday, not really sure about any of
it. I don't really see why not have an enigma area if nu wanted one. I guess I just need to work out how to get the users of magicka together in one spot ;)
On 10/18/18, apam pondered and said...
Just posting these thoughts as a bit of an idea dump and seek feedback from the others here. :)
I don't know. I was pretty drunk yesterday, not really sure about
If it helps I'm drinking some beer right now :)
it. I don't really see why not have an enigma area if nu wanted o guess I just need to work out how to get the users of magicka tog
one spot ;)
Well I'm open to trying and experimenting, after all that's the ethos
here and worse case we can always shutter echos etc. if things don't
work.
How about I set things up at this end and link with your net etc. and
we give it a whirl :)
On 10-18-18 17:08, Avon wrote to apam <=-
Well I'm open to trying and experimenting, after all that's the ethos
here and worse case we can always shutter echos etc. if things don't
work.
How about I set things up at this end and link with your net etc. and
we give it a whirl :)
Yep, one would have to gate the message across FTN zones, so it is correctly addressed. I don't know if there is software that does that? Anyone? Bonus points if the gateway can also gate netmails correctly between networks, including extracting the correct routing information from echomail, if someone chooses to reply via netmail. As I have my
own net, I'm up for experimentation. :)
On 10-18-18 10:14, Deon George wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Its funning that this is being discussed. One of the things that I considered building was a "FTN Clearing House" - where I thought about joining FidoNet works together.
I recently got "back into" BBSing after a hiatus of about 20 years -
and I started exploring software and networks (with this idea in the
back of my mind) - as well as relearning the protocols. I've joined a couple of "nets" to get back "in" only to discover that Fidonet seems
to be grumpy old men (with all due respect - might be because of the Echo's I'm getting) and all the "othernets" fairly small (that I've
joined so far anyway, with the exception of fsxNet which is by far
quite active). I've also found some nets unresponsive to my interest in joining, which I thought was bad for business. :)
I started thinking, why not have an "FTN Network", not a fsx and a fido and a Dore, and a pi, etc, which lead me to the "clearing house" idea.
IE: It didnt matter what your FTN node address was 3:*, 21:*, etc you could get any echo area from "your hub", with the hubs at the top of
the tree transferring across zones.
Also it seems some level of duplication which could be cleaned up as a result - which I think was the basis of this thread starting... (Why
have so many places to talk about <insert BBS software> if there was 1 echo in the "FTN network" that discussions could be had.
I wanted to preserve as much as possible the retro architecture of
Fidonet (Zones, Regions, Hubs, Hosts, etc) as well as the flow of
traffic (although technically that flow doesnt need to exist) and the automation (nodelist updates, file flows, etc). I got disillusioned
after getting back into Fidonet with the (grumpy old) chatter
complaining about the "NAB", FidoWeb and "controlling sysops" - I came
to a conclusion that my clearing house idea wouldnt get off the ground.
I also then thought, this may make the network more "appealing" to
curious onlookers, who might join if getting into the network was
simple (and automated) - and their was a broad spectrum of content (ie: echos and files).
Being a background coder, I'm keen to be involved - this was going to
be my "give back" for the community that has built the software on this architecture - and the free software that enables us to enjoy it.
So, If I can help out in any way, love to.
I guess if we do as you suggest it's fair square to create one for Enigma 1/2 etc etc. if a developer requests it, is prepared to monitor and support it etc. And if (I'm just thinking and typing) we went down that path then do we shutter FSX_BBS in favour of specific echos?
On 10-17-18 19:17, Avon wrote to apam <=-
Answer is you don't.. just display ASCII menu options... I use a telnet client on my iPhone daily to check and reply to messages. I only need cell data and I can access messages anywhere. :)
You must have good eyesight! :D
Quoting apam to Avon <=-
channel on fsxnet that I could gate between happynetx, and call it
home. It might not get the traffic that is needed for an fsxnet area,
On 10-18-18 13:58, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Telegram
By: Vk3jed to Avon on Wed Oct 17 2018 06:54 pm
On 10-17-18 19:17, Avon wrote to apam <=-
Answer is you don't.. just display ASCII menu options... I use a telnet client on my iPhone daily to check and reply to messages. I only need cell data and I can access messages anywhere. :)
You must have good eyesight! :D
Or a really big phone. :-)
What I'd really like, and am to afraid to ask, is for a seperate channel
on fsxnet that I could gate between happynetx, and call it home. It might
not get the traffic that is needed for an fsxnet area, but it would mean
I can say both fsxnet is home and for the tinkerer happynetx is.
What I'd really like, and am to afraid to ask, is for a seperate cha
on fsxnet that I could gate between happynetx, and call it home. It
not get the traffic that is needed for an fsxnet area, but it would
I can say both fsxnet is home and for the tinkerer happynetx is.
I like that idea. I have tested gatting happynetx (on my magicka
system) to "old" happynet (on my sbbs system) and have had mixed
results. It would appear that maybe the mnet software (or magicka
itself) knows that a message has already been exported. So, if I
post it in the happyxnet area, it apparently gets exported to your
board (both using mnet) but does not get exported via magimail to my
sbbs board.
BTW, I changed the site name in the mnet config but I am still having issues connecting. I hope to get that sorted later this weekend.
I support the idea, even if traffic is not high. It's not really a
numbers game after all. If folks have a use for it and are connected..
let it be. :)
Not sure what you mean by numbers game?
Not an easy balancing act.. :)
How about I set things up at this end and link with your net etc. and we give it a whirl :)
Yeah, I never worked out how to get the addon for Mystic working to connect to HappynetX.
Answer is you don't.. just display ASCII menu options... I use a t client on my iPhone daily to check and reply to messages. I only n cell data and I can access messages anywhere. :)
You must have good eyesight! :D
Or a really big phone. :-)
On 10-19-18 20:55, Black Panther wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I had it working here... I just don't remember how I did it...
I'll have to take a look and see if I can get connected again.
The echoarea now also covers support for Talisman BBS (a new BBS alsoYea, I might call it Apam's BBS Software Creations
being
developed by Apam).
Yea, I might call it Apam's BBS Software Creations
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