• QEMM

    From spectre@21:3/101 to vk3jed on Sat Mar 28 21:19:00 2020

    Modules using memory below 1 MB:

    Name Total = Conventional + Upper Memory
    -------- ---------------- ---------------- ----------------
    MSDOS 15,597 (15K) 15,597 (15K) 0 (0K)
    QEMM386 4,112 (4K) 4,112 (4K) 0 (0K)
    COMMAND 2,928 (3K) 2,928 (3K) 0 (0K)
    VIDRAM 1,568 (2K) 1,568 (2K) 0 (0K)
    SHARE 6,208 (6K) 6,208 (6K) 0 (0K)
    PCNTPK 18,624 (18K) 18,624 (18K) 0 (0K)
    PKTMUX 18,448 (18K) 18,448 (18K) 0 (0K)
    PKTDRV 1,440 (1K) 1,440 (1K) 0 (0K)
    XFSKRNL 63,104 (62K) 63,104 (62K) 0 (0K)
    Free 670,448 (655K) 621,408 (607K) 49,040 (48K)

    Memory Summary:

    Type of Memory Total = Used + Free
    ---------------- ---------- ---------- ----------
    Conventional 753,664 132,256 621,408
    Upper 49,040 0 49,040
    Reserved 294,912 294,912 0
    Extended (XMS) 7,290,992 327,792 6,963,200
    ---------------- ---------- ---------- ----------
    Total memory 8,388,608 754,960 7,633,648


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sat Mar 28 21:28:00 2020
    A message will have come past recently... with a mem /c output in it...

    That's the junk TLP is loading, out of all that, the only things what will ìload high are "share" and an ANSI driver. ANSI I don't normally load, and ìshare doesn't work properly when loaded high... so both kind of useless.. the ìrest of it as you see sta
    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sat Mar 28 21:28:00 2020
    A message will have come past recently... with a mem /c output in it...

    That's the junk TLP is loading, out of all that, the only things what will load
    high are "share" and an ANSI driver. ANSI I don't normally load, and share doesn't work properly when loaded high... so both kind of useless.. the rest of
    it as you see stays low...

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to spectre on Sat Mar 28 23:36:00 2020
    On 03-28-20 17:19, spectre wrote to vk3jed <=-

    Type of Memory Total = Used + Free
    ---------------- ---------- ---------- ----------
    Conventional 753,664 132,256 621,408
    Upper 49,040 0 49,040
    Reserved 294,912 294,912 0
    Extended (XMS) 7,290,992 327,792 6,963,200
    ---------------- ---------- ---------- ----------
    Total memory 8,388,608 754,960 7,633,648

    Hmm, strange. Your upper memory highly fragmented or something?

    And you have no HMA???


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sat Mar 28 23:37:00 2020
    On 03-28-20 17:28, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    A message will have come past recently... with a mem /c output in it...

    That's the junk TLP is loading, out of all that, the only things what
    will load high are "share" and an ANSI driver. ANSI I don't normally
    load, and share doesn't work properly when loaded high... so both kind
    of useless.. the rest of it as you see sta

    Looks like a tough setup. :/ I wish I had my old setup, but I need real hardware (complere w/ CGA) to do it. :)


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 29 03:23:00 2020
    And you have no HMA???

    HMA is being occupied by DOS. Aside from that and the network drivers that ìare
    obvious, I have 2Mb being allocated to a RAMdrive, and some may be ìallocated to SMARTDRV although I think I disabled that, it was to dumb. ìCouldn't tell files from different
    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 29 03:26:00 2020
    Looks like a tough setup. :/ I wish I had my old setup, but I need real hardware (complere w/ CGA) to do it. :)

    You realise you can use VIDRAM with VGA/EGA cards.. and you'll get some ~96k ìor so..

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 29 03:23:00 2020
    And you have no HMA???

    HMA is being occupied by DOS. Aside from that and the network drivers that are obvious, I have 2Mb being allocated to a RAMdrive, and some may be allocated to
    SMARTDRV although I think I disabled that, it was to dumb. Couldn't tell files
    from different source with the same name apart.

    Spec


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Sat Mar 28 15:44:00 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-

    Looks like a tough setup. :/ I wish I had my old setup, but I need
    real hardware (complere w/ CGA) to do it. :)

    I never knew about that CGA trick until after I'd jumped to VGA. Pity.
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sun Mar 29 18:38:00 2020
    On 03-28-20 23:23, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    And you have no HMA???

    HMA is being occupied by DOS. Aside from that and the network drivers

    Ahh, OK. I expected to see the HMA listed, that's all.

    that are obvious, I have 2Mb being allocated to a RAMdrive, and some
    may be allocated to SMARTDRV although I think I disabled that, it was
    to dumb. Couldn't tell files from different

    Smartdrv works well sometimes, but not others. I always found it needed to be tested for one's intended use.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sun Mar 29 18:39:00 2020
    On 03-28-20 23:26, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Looks like a tough setup. :/ I wish I had my old setup, but I need real hardware (complere w/ CGA) to do it. :)

    You realise you can use VIDRAM with VGA/EGA cards.. and you'll get some ~96k or so..

    And make sure yu don't enable an EGA/VGA graphics mode! :D


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 29 18:54:00 2020
    On 03-28-20 11:44, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-

    Looks like a tough setup. :/ I wish I had my old setup, but I need
    real hardware (complere w/ CGA) to do it. :)

    I never knew about that CGA trick until after I'd jumped to VGA. Pity.

    I exploited it well and truly. ;)


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 29 22:36:00 2020
    Smartdrv works well sometimes, but not others. I always found it
    needed to be tested for one's intended use.

    Back in dem good ol' days when I only had 1Mb 286's it was a very big choice ìto make whether to use the ramdrive, or use smartrv. In the very beginning I ìused RAMDRIVE and copied all the menus and screens to it. And this worked ìlike a champ right up u
    After that I varied between 100% RAMDRIVE and 100%SMARTDRV until in the end ìI
    had to much stuff to fit even on the full 384k in the ramdrive. Then it ìjust stayed smartdrv.

    Whats happening at the moment though, is having 2 sets of menu screens with ìthe same names in different folders smartdrv isn't tracking the origin very ìwell so if you swap menus from fansi to basic you get whatevers in the case ìnot on the HD...

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 29 22:38:00 2020
    And make sure yu don't enable an EGA/VGA graphics mode! :D

    On a dos BBS? <boggle>

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 29 22:36:00 2020
    Smartdrv works well sometimes, but not others. I always found it
    needed to be tested for one's intended use.

    Back in dem good ol' days when I only had 1Mb 286's it was a very big choice to
    make whether to use the ramdrive, or use smartrv. In the very beginning I used RAMDRIVE and copied all the menus and screens to it. And this worked like a champ right up until I started the networking. After which SMARTDRV became exceedingly important for overall network performance.

    After that I varied between 100% RAMDRIVE and 100%SMARTDRV until in the end I had to much stuff to fit even on the full 384k in the ramdrive. Then it just stayed smartdrv.

    Whats happening at the moment though, is having 2 sets of menu screens with the same names in different folders smartdrv isn't tracking the origin very well so if you swap menus from fansi to basic you get whatevers in the case not
    on the HD...

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Mon Mar 30 01:58:00 2020
    On 03-29-20 18:36, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Smartdrv works well sometimes, but not others. I always found it
    needed to be tested for one's intended use.

    Back in dem good ol' days when I only had 1Mb 286's it was a very big choice to make whether to use the ramdrive, or use smartrv. In the
    very beginning I used RAMDRIVE and copied all the menus and screens to
    it. And this worked like a champ right up u
    After that I varied between 100% RAMDRIVE and 100%SMARTDRV until in
    the end I had to much stuff to fit even on the full 384k in the
    ramdrive. Then it just stayed smartdrv.

    Yep. I remember back in the day at uni, I was doing some programming work in FORTRAN. The compiler was slow, with 2 passes, then a linker, and running that off floppy on a slow PC was painful. I found by creating a RAMdisk and having a batch file to force the compiler to use the RAMdisk for intermediate steps and temporary files sped up the compilation dramatically. Only the source and the .exe ended up on the floppy at the end. :)

    Later, I remembered using SMARTDrv a fair bit, especially when I starting using HDDs more.

    Whats happening at the moment though, is having 2 sets of menu screens with the same names in different folders smartdrv isn't tracking the origin very well so if you swap menus from fansi to basic you get whatevers in the case not on the HD...

    What a pain. :(


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Mon Mar 30 01:59:00 2020
    On 03-29-20 18:38, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    And make sure yu don't enable an EGA/VGA graphics mode! :D

    On a dos BBS? <boggle>

    You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Mon Mar 30 02:53:00 2020
    On a dos BBS? <boggle>

    You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
    another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)

    Some of them funky human relations stills eh? All .gif's of course...

    Nah the BBS was just that, and the daily drive was still the IIgs :) Didn't ìget so much of it over there. Although we had .dl's towards the end of things ì:)

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Mon Mar 30 02:53:00 2020
    On a dos BBS? <boggle>

    You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
    another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)

    Some of them funky human relations stills eh? All .gif's of course...

    Nah the BBS was just that, and the daily drive was still the IIgs :) Didn't get so much of it over there. Although we had .dl's towards the end of things :)

    Spec


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Sun Mar 29 14:06:00 2020
    Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Back in dem good ol' days when I only had 1Mb 286's it was a very big choice to make whether to use the ramdrive, or use smartrv.

    I benefitted from a company that burned through hardware in poorly thought
    out efforts.

    A group didn't want to pay for new 386 machines when the company went from
    DOS to Windows 3.1. Boss convinced them that we could take a Compaq Pro 286 with a 20 meg drive and 1 MB of RAM, and add AST 8MB add-on cards. That
    worked for about 6 months, then they all upgraded to 386 PS/2s. I was asked
    to dispose of the old systems.

    I parked right near the dumpster.

    Those expansion cards were fun - make part of it a RAMDrive, the other half EMS and you could get DESQView working nicely, albeit slower than with motherboard-mounted memory. But, the price was right.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 29 14:07:00 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-

    Back in dem good ol' days when I only had 1Mb 286's it was a very big choice to make whether to use the ramdrive, or use smartrv. In the
    very beginning I used RAMDRIVE and copied all the menus and screens to
    it. And this worked like a champ

    I was in the same boat, saved up for a 287 chip and my compilations sped up immensely.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 29 14:08:00 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-

    You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
    another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)

    I liked a challenge. I ran Hercules mono.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Mon Mar 30 14:51:00 2020
    On 03-29-20 22:53, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On a dos BBS? <boggle>

    You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
    another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)

    Some of them funky human relations stills eh? All .gif's of course...

    Yep, .gif was popular back then, and there were the grainy vids. :D

    Nah the BBS was just that, and the daily drive was still the IIgs :) Didn't get so much of it over there. Although we had .dl's towards the
    end of things :)

    There was a fair range by the end of the 90s, then the Internet came along. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 30 14:53:00 2020
    On 03-29-20 10:07, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-

    Back in dem good ol' days when I only had 1Mb 286's it was a very big choice to make whether to use the ramdrive, or use smartrv. In the
    very beginning I used RAMDRIVE and copied all the menus and screens to
    it. And this worked like a champ

    I was in the same boat, saved up for a 287 chip and my compilations
    sped up immensely.

    I could never afford one of those. Had to wait until they became part of the main processor. :/


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 30 14:54:00 2020
    On 03-29-20 10:08, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-

    You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
    another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)

    I liked a challenge. I ran Hercules mono.

    Hehe ok. As I said the other day, I ran Hercules for a while, until the monitor died.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 30 16:01:00 2020
    On 03-29-20 10:06, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Spectre <=-

    A group didn't want to pay for new 386 machines when the company went
    from DOS to Windows 3.1. Boss convinced them that we could take a
    Compaq Pro 286 with a 20 meg drive and 1 MB of RAM, and add AST 8MB
    add-on cards. That worked for about 6 months, then they all upgraded to 386 PS/2s. I was asked to dispose of the old systems.

    Hmm, those kind of shortcuts end up costing more in the long run. :/

    I parked right near the dumpster.

    As you do. :)

    Those expansion cards were fun - make part of it a RAMDrive, the other half EMS and you could get DESQView working nicely, albeit slower than with motherboard-mounted memory. But, the price was right.

    I got hold of an expansion card when I had a 286. Unfortunately, it could only do extended or EMS3.2, which wasn't so useful on a 286, but when I upgraded to a 386, I configured the card as extended and let QEMM/DV do the rest. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 30 04:41:51 2020
    cards. That worked for about 6 months, then they all upgraded to 386 PS/2s. I was asked to dispose of the old systems.

    Used to work as a teacher's aide at a rural Idaho school district. They were cleaning out the library & saw a shrink-wrapped copy of Warp 4 blue spine in
    a box they were going to throw away. Asked if I could take it & they had no issue with it. Still have that packed away with the shrink-wrap around it.

    Was at a thrift store in Colorado Springs where I found a $350 Zojirushi
    bread maker for $8.00. Knew what it was & snagged it. Still use it after 10 years.

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 30 16:11:49 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-

    You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
    another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)

    I liked a challenge. I ran Hercules mono.

    Ditto. I quite liked it and it was very gentle to your eyes too compared to those old VGA monitors.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Mon Mar 30 15:52:00 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I got hold of an expansion card when I had a 286. Unfortunately, it
    could only do extended or EMS3.2, which wasn't so useful on a 286, but when I upgraded to a 386, I configured the card as extended and let QEMM/DV do the rest. :)

    Man, I just had a flashback to running Windows/386 and getting a crash
    course in the different flavors of memory...


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Phoobar on Mon Mar 30 15:56:00 2020
    Phoobar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Was at a thrift store in Colorado Springs where I found a $350
    Zojirushi bread maker for $8.00. Knew what it was & snagged it. Still
    use it after 10 years.

    That's a score! When I was in college, the one big dorm expense we had was buying a Zojirushi air pot-kettle. We could get a half-gallon of water
    boiling in a couple of minutes; my roommate and I drank french roast or viennese roast, I drank some green teas (especially gunpowder green), next door neighbors drank weird, eclectic third-world beans, and another drank instant espresso. We'd all meet in one of the kettle rooms and take caffeine breaks while studying. Good times.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 1 21:29:00 2020
    On 03-30-20 11:52, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I got hold of an expansion card when I had a 286. Unfortunately, it
    could only do extended or EMS3.2, which wasn't so useful on a 286, but when I upgraded to a 386, I configured the card as extended and let QEMM/DV do the rest. :)

    Man, I just had a flashback to running Windows/386 and getting a crash course in the different flavors of memory...

    Haha I learnt as I went along, because my PC use evolved from XT to 286, 386, 486, Pentium, step by step. :)


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  • From SirRonmit@21:2/120 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 1 11:11:05 2020
    Man, I just had a flashback to running Windows/386 and getting a crash course in the different flavors of memory...

    Me, too .. I found all my old 3.5" floppies and tried to install QEMM onto a virtual to see if it still worked LOL

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Wed Apr 1 12:09:00 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Haha I learnt as I went along, because my PC use evolved from XT to
    286, 386, 486, Pentium, step by step. :)

    That was the great thing about running a BBS - I could always upgrade my desktop and pass my old desktop down to the BBS. :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to SirRonmit on Wed Apr 1 12:11:00 2020
    SirRonmit wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Me, too .. I found all my old 3.5" floppies and tried to install QEMM
    onto a virtual to see if it still worked LOL

    I've seen Virtualbox OpenDOS VMs, it might be interesting to run a "real"
    DOS environment. I use DOSBOX for most of my DOS work (offline QWK message reading, mostly) because I like the full screen appearance. Not sure if Virtualbox could do a 24x80 full screen session.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 2 16:18:00 2020
    I've seen Virtualbox OpenDOS VMs, it might be interesting to run a "real"

    I don't know anything about OpenDOS, but MS-SOD is pretty harsh when you run ìit in a VM, it likes to HOG 100% resources and cpu. You either need a lot of ìgrunt, or dial the cpu cycles back a long way.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 1 23:06:02 2020
    Was at a thrift store in Colorado Springs where I found a $350 Zojirushi bread maker for $8.00. Knew what it was & snagged it. Still
    That's a score! When I was in college, the one big dorm expense we had
    was buying a Zojirushi air pot-kettle. We could get a half-gallon of
    water boiling in a couple of minutes; my roommate and I drank french
    roast or viennese roast, I drank some green teas (especially gunpowder

    Not a coffee drinker...but do like a nice herbal tea or making iced tea with herbal blends.

    The one thing I love about thrift stores are finding treasure like my bread machine or many types of PC parts. For instance...got a Motorola cable modem for about $5.00. Same one Comcrap uses. My current DSL modem was had for the same amount. Never saw the logic of renting one of these units.

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 2 18:12:00 2020
    On 04-01-20 08:09, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Haha I learnt as I went along, because my PC use evolved from XT to
    286, 386, 486, Pentium, step by step. :)

    That was the great thing about running a BBS - I could always upgrade
    my desktop and pass my old desktop down to the BBS. :)

    That works. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thu Apr 2 19:13:00 2020
    On 04-02-20 12:18, Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I've seen Virtualbox OpenDOS VMs, it might be interesting to run a "real"

    I don't know anything about OpenDOS, but MS-SOD is pretty harsh when
    you run it in a VM, it likes to HOG 100% resources and cpu. You either need a lot of grunt, or dial the cpu cycles back a long way.

    This used to be an issue under OS/2 and DV, but there were DOS TSRs that could make DOS give up its time slice, if it's idle, which made DOS sessions behave better in a multitasking environment. Wonder if they'd work equally well
    oday.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Thu Apr 2 22:19:00 2020
    that could make DOS give up its time slice, if it's idle, which
    made DOS sessions behave better in a multitasking environment.

    I've tried a few, I'm not sure just how much different they really make to be ìhonest. If you look at load avg alone they don't seem to make much. It might ìdepend somewhat how much free horsepower you've got as to how much difference ìit will make.

    On the somewhat underpowered Veritons it made no real difference whatsoever, ìon the present Sabretooth, it's pulling a average of ~5.5-6 across 8 cores ìwith 9 VMs open.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Thu Apr 2 22:19:00 2020
    that could make DOS give up its time slice, if it's idle, which
    made DOS sessions behave better in a multitasking environment.

    I've tried a few, I'm not sure just how much different they really make to be honest. If you look at load avg alone they don't seem to make much. It might depend somewhat how much free horsepower you've got as to how much difference it will make.

    On the somewhat underpowered Veritons it made no real difference whatsoever, on the present Sabretooth, it's pulling a average of ~5.5-6 across 8 cores with
    9 VMs open.

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Fri Apr 3 00:44:00 2020
    On 04-02-20 18:19, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    that could make DOS give up its time slice, if it's idle, which
    made DOS sessions behave better in a multitasking environment.

    I've tried a few, I'm not sure just how much different they really make
    to be honest. If you look at load avg alone they don't seem to make
    much. It might depend somewhat how much free horsepower you've got as
    to how much difference it will make.

    They used to make a huge difference back in the day, but the multitaskers of the day weren't full VMs, though OS/2 DOS might be a possible exception.

    On the somewhat underpowered Veritons it made no real difference whatsoever, on the present Sabretooth, it's pulling a average of ~5.5-6 across 8 cores with 9 VMs open.

    Hmm, OK.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Fri Apr 3 02:55:00 2020
    whatsoever, on the present Sabretooth, it's pulling a average of
    ~5.5-6
    across 8 cores with 9 VMs open.

    Hmm, OK.


    For what its worth, on the Veritons each DOS VM pulled a load average of 1.
    At least on the sabretooth its lower than that, but I was able to dial the
    CPU cycles back to about 60% and keep each one usable. The difference in CPU in clock cycles is 2.4 to 3.9GHz aside any other optimizations. Also AMD instead of Intel.

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Fri Apr 3 16:11:00 2020
    On 04-02-20 22:55, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    whatsoever, on the present Sabretooth, it's pulling a average of
    ~5.5-6
    across 8 cores with 9 VMs open.

    Hmm, OK.


    For what its worth, on the Veritons each DOS VM pulled a load average
    of 1. At least on the sabretooth its lower than that, but I was able to dial the CPU cycles back to about 60% and keep each one usable. The difference in CPU in clock cycles is 2.4 to 3.9GHz aside any other optimizations. Also AMD instead of Intel.

    Interesting results, so looks like DOS is a pain, better to get an OS/2 machine to multitask DOS. ;)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Thu Apr 2 13:35:00 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-

    They used to make a huge difference back in the day, but the
    multitaskers of the day weren't full VMs, though OS/2 DOS might be a possible exception.

    I ran the BBS and my desktop on a 486 running OS/2, and I ran OS/2 native binaries (Maximus, BinkleyTerm, Squish, Qedit, BlueWave and TimED) on it - I couldn't tell when I had a user on the system, or when it was idle - and I
    was using the desktop for all manner of things concurrently.

    I had a Pentium/166 and later a Pentium/233 MMX chip and needed that TSR to give back idle time slices with the same binaries (albeit the DOS versions). Even with, my performance in the foreground was much choppier when someone logged onto the BBS.

    OS/2 rocked back in the day.



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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 4 12:36:00 2020
    On 04-02-20 09:35, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-

    They used to make a huge difference back in the day, but the
    multitaskers of the day weren't full VMs, though OS/2 DOS might be a possible exception.

    I ran the BBS and my desktop on a 486 running OS/2, and I ran OS/2
    native binaries (Maximus, BinkleyTerm, Squish, Qedit, BlueWave and
    TimED) on it - I couldn't tell when I had a user on the system, or when
    it was idle - and I was using the desktop for all manner of things concurrently.

    Yes, OS/2 native was nice. I didn't have that luxury for most things though, RA was never ported to OS/2. :( I'd like to go native OS/2 though.

    I had a Pentium/166 and later a Pentium/233 MMX chip and needed that
    TSR to give back idle time slices with the same binaries (albeit the
    DOS versions). Even with, my performance in the foreground was much choppier when someone logged onto the BBS.

    I can't recall, though I never really had any complaints.

    OS/2 rocked back in the day.

    I loved OS/2, it was an awesome OS. Today, I have Linux, which definitely rocks too, but there was something about OS/2 - I think because it could let me take my DOS apps along for the ride, something Linux was never as good at, though DOSemu is quite good.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Sat Apr 4 14:00:00 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I loved OS/2, it was an awesome OS. Today, I have Linux, which
    definitely rocks too, but there was something about OS/2 - I think
    because it could let me take my DOS apps along for the ride, something Linux was never as good at, though DOSemu is quite good.

    I think part of the allure was that Windows was aiming to replace DOS - and
    I was a heavy DOS user. OS/2 was the "Better DOS than DOS" that they claimed
    - REXX support, DOS VDMs, and native DOS and OS/2 Windows, as well as full screen support and (relatively) seamless multitasking.

    One of my shameless uses of work technology at the time was using my OS/2 desktop and a network serial port server, connecting 4 copies of Procomm
    Plus to 4 modems, and dialing out to 4 BBSes simultaneously. OS/2 could
    handle the throughput just fine. Windows could barely handle 1.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Apr 5 19:03:00 2020
    On 04-04-20 10:00, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I think part of the allure was that Windows was aiming to replace DOS - and I was a heavy DOS user. OS/2 was the "Better DOS than DOS" that

    As was I

    they claimed - REXX support, DOS VDMs, and native DOS and OS/2 Windows,
    as well as full screen support and (relatively) seamless multitasking.

    And OS/2 pretty much delivered, at least until Win32 came along.

    One of my shameless uses of work technology at the time was using my
    OS/2 desktop and a network serial port server, connecting 4 copies of Procomm Plus to 4 modems, and dialing out to 4 BBSes simultaneously.
    OS/2 could handle the throughput just fine. Windows could barely handle
    1.

    Yes, OS/2 was definitely much better at comms.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sat Mar 28 21:28:00 2020
    A message will have come past recently... with a mem /c output in it...

    That's the junk TLP is loading, out of all that, the only things what will ìload high are "share" and an ANSI driver. ANSI I don't normally load, and ìshare doesn't work properly when loaded high... so both kind of useless.. the ìrest of it as you see sta
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Sun Mar 29 03:23:00 2020
    And you have no HMA???

    HMA is being occupied by DOS. Aside from that and the network drivers that ìare
    obvious, I have 2Mb being allocated to a RAMdrive, and some may be ìallocated to SMARTDRV although I think I disabled that, it was to dumb. ìCouldn't tell files from different
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Sun Apr 12 16:20:00 2020
    On 03-28-20 17:28, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    A message will have come past recently... with a mem /c output in it...

    That's the junk TLP is loading, out of all that, the only things what
    will load high are "share" and an ANSI driver. ANSI I don't normally
    load, and share doesn't work properly when loaded high... so both kind
    of useless.. the rest of it as you see sta
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    Hmm, someone's burped up an old message. ;)


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