On 03-28-20 17:19, spectre wrote to vk3jed <=-
Type of Memory Total = Used + Free
---------------- ---------- ---------- ----------
Conventional 753,664 132,256 621,408
Upper 49,040 0 49,040
Reserved 294,912 294,912 0
Extended (XMS) 7,290,992 327,792 6,963,200
---------------- ---------- ---------- ----------
Total memory 8,388,608 754,960 7,633,648
On 03-28-20 17:28, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
A message will have come past recently... with a mem /c output in it...
That's the junk TLP is loading, out of all that, the only things what
will load high are "share" and an ANSI driver. ANSI I don't normally
load, and share doesn't work properly when loaded high... so both kind
of useless.. the rest of it as you see sta
And you have no HMA???
Looks like a tough setup. :/ I wish I had my old setup, but I need real hardware (complere w/ CGA) to do it. :)
And you have no HMA???
Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-
Looks like a tough setup. :/ I wish I had my old setup, but I need
real hardware (complere w/ CGA) to do it. :)
On 03-28-20 23:23, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
And you have no HMA???
HMA is being occupied by DOS. Aside from that and the network drivers
that are obvious, I have 2Mb being allocated to a RAMdrive, and some
may be allocated to SMARTDRV although I think I disabled that, it was
to dumb. Couldn't tell files from different
On 03-28-20 23:26, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Looks like a tough setup. :/ I wish I had my old setup, but I need real hardware (complere w/ CGA) to do it. :)
You realise you can use VIDRAM with VGA/EGA cards.. and you'll get some ~96k or so..
On 03-28-20 11:44, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-
Looks like a tough setup. :/ I wish I had my old setup, but I need
real hardware (complere w/ CGA) to do it. :)
I never knew about that CGA trick until after I'd jumped to VGA. Pity.
Smartdrv works well sometimes, but not others. I always found it
needed to be tested for one's intended use.
And make sure yu don't enable an EGA/VGA graphics mode! :D
Smartdrv works well sometimes, but not others. I always found it
needed to be tested for one's intended use.
On 03-29-20 18:36, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Smartdrv works well sometimes, but not others. I always found it
needed to be tested for one's intended use.
Back in dem good ol' days when I only had 1Mb 286's it was a very big choice to make whether to use the ramdrive, or use smartrv. In the
very beginning I used RAMDRIVE and copied all the menus and screens to
it. And this worked like a champ right up u
After that I varied between 100% RAMDRIVE and 100%SMARTDRV until in
the end I had to much stuff to fit even on the full 384k in the
ramdrive. Then it just stayed smartdrv.
Whats happening at the moment though, is having 2 sets of menu screens with the same names in different folders smartdrv isn't tracking the origin very well so if you swap menus from fansi to basic you get whatevers in the case not on the HD...
On 03-29-20 18:38, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
And make sure yu don't enable an EGA/VGA graphics mode! :D
On a dos BBS? <boggle>
On a dos BBS? <boggle>
You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)
On a dos BBS? <boggle>
You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)
Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Back in dem good ol' days when I only had 1Mb 286's it was a very big choice to make whether to use the ramdrive, or use smartrv.
Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-
Back in dem good ol' days when I only had 1Mb 286's it was a very big choice to make whether to use the ramdrive, or use smartrv. In the
very beginning I used RAMDRIVE and copied all the menus and screens to
it. And this worked like a champ
Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-
You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)
On 03-29-20 22:53, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
On a dos BBS? <boggle>
You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)
Some of them funky human relations stills eh? All .gif's of course...
Nah the BBS was just that, and the daily drive was still the IIgs :) Didn't get so much of it over there. Although we had .dl's towards the
end of things :)
On 03-29-20 10:07, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-
Back in dem good ol' days when I only had 1Mb 286's it was a very big choice to make whether to use the ramdrive, or use smartrv. In the
very beginning I used RAMDRIVE and copied all the menus and screens to
it. And this worked like a champ
I was in the same boat, saved up for a 287 chip and my compilations
sped up immensely.
On 03-29-20 10:08, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-
You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)
I liked a challenge. I ran Hercules mono.
On 03-29-20 10:06, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Spectre <=-
A group didn't want to pay for new 386 machines when the company went
from DOS to Windows 3.1. Boss convinced them that we could take a
Compaq Pro 286 with a 20 meg drive and 1 MB of RAM, and add AST 8MB
add-on cards. That worked for about 6 months, then they all upgraded to 386 PS/2s. I was asked to dispose of the old systems.
I parked right near the dumpster.
Those expansion cards were fun - make part of it a RAMDrive, the other half EMS and you could get DESQView working nicely, albeit slower than with motherboard-mounted memory. But, the price was right.
cards. That worked for about 6 months, then they all upgraded to 386 PS/2s. I was asked to dispose of the old systems.
Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-
You might have been looking at some *ahem* "educational" images in
another DV window, or in Windows, if you were running that. ;)
I liked a challenge. I ran Hercules mono.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I got hold of an expansion card when I had a 286. Unfortunately, it
could only do extended or EMS3.2, which wasn't so useful on a 286, but when I upgraded to a 386, I configured the card as extended and let QEMM/DV do the rest. :)
Phoobar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Was at a thrift store in Colorado Springs where I found a $350
Zojirushi bread maker for $8.00. Knew what it was & snagged it. Still
use it after 10 years.
On 03-30-20 11:52, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I got hold of an expansion card when I had a 286. Unfortunately, it
could only do extended or EMS3.2, which wasn't so useful on a 286, but when I upgraded to a 386, I configured the card as extended and let QEMM/DV do the rest. :)
Man, I just had a flashback to running Windows/386 and getting a crash course in the different flavors of memory...
Man, I just had a flashback to running Windows/386 and getting a crash course in the different flavors of memory...
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Haha I learnt as I went along, because my PC use evolved from XT to
286, 386, 486, Pentium, step by step. :)
SirRonmit wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Me, too .. I found all my old 3.5" floppies and tried to install QEMM
onto a virtual to see if it still worked LOL
I've seen Virtualbox OpenDOS VMs, it might be interesting to run a "real"
Was at a thrift store in Colorado Springs where I found a $350 Zojirushi bread maker for $8.00. Knew what it was & snagged it. StillThat's a score! When I was in college, the one big dorm expense we had
was buying a Zojirushi air pot-kettle. We could get a half-gallon of
water boiling in a couple of minutes; my roommate and I drank french
roast or viennese roast, I drank some green teas (especially gunpowder
On 04-01-20 08:09, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Haha I learnt as I went along, because my PC use evolved from XT to
286, 386, 486, Pentium, step by step. :)
That was the great thing about running a BBS - I could always upgrade
my desktop and pass my old desktop down to the BBS. :)
On 04-02-20 12:18, Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I've seen Virtualbox OpenDOS VMs, it might be interesting to run a "real"
I don't know anything about OpenDOS, but MS-SOD is pretty harsh when
you run it in a VM, it likes to HOG 100% resources and cpu. You either need a lot of grunt, or dial the cpu cycles back a long way.
that could make DOS give up its time slice, if it's idle, which
made DOS sessions behave better in a multitasking environment.
that could make DOS give up its time slice, if it's idle, which
made DOS sessions behave better in a multitasking environment.
On 04-02-20 18:19, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
that could make DOS give up its time slice, if it's idle, which
made DOS sessions behave better in a multitasking environment.
I've tried a few, I'm not sure just how much different they really make
to be honest. If you look at load avg alone they don't seem to make
much. It might depend somewhat how much free horsepower you've got as
to how much difference it will make.
On the somewhat underpowered Veritons it made no real difference whatsoever, on the present Sabretooth, it's pulling a average of ~5.5-6 across 8 cores with 9 VMs open.
whatsoever, on the present Sabretooth, it's pulling a average of~5.5-6
across 8 cores with 9 VMs open.
Hmm, OK.
On 04-02-20 22:55, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
whatsoever, on the present Sabretooth, it's pulling a average of~5.5-6
across 8 cores with 9 VMs open.
Hmm, OK.
For what its worth, on the Veritons each DOS VM pulled a load average
of 1. At least on the sabretooth its lower than that, but I was able to dial the CPU cycles back to about 60% and keep each one usable. The difference in CPU in clock cycles is 2.4 to 3.9GHz aside any other optimizations. Also AMD instead of Intel.
Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-
They used to make a huge difference back in the day, but the
multitaskers of the day weren't full VMs, though OS/2 DOS might be a possible exception.
On 04-02-20 09:35, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-
They used to make a huge difference back in the day, but the
multitaskers of the day weren't full VMs, though OS/2 DOS might be a possible exception.
I ran the BBS and my desktop on a 486 running OS/2, and I ran OS/2
native binaries (Maximus, BinkleyTerm, Squish, Qedit, BlueWave and
TimED) on it - I couldn't tell when I had a user on the system, or when
it was idle - and I was using the desktop for all manner of things concurrently.
I had a Pentium/166 and later a Pentium/233 MMX chip and needed that
TSR to give back idle time slices with the same binaries (albeit the
DOS versions). Even with, my performance in the foreground was much choppier when someone logged onto the BBS.
OS/2 rocked back in the day.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I loved OS/2, it was an awesome OS. Today, I have Linux, which
definitely rocks too, but there was something about OS/2 - I think
because it could let me take my DOS apps along for the ride, something Linux was never as good at, though DOSemu is quite good.
On 04-04-20 10:00, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think part of the allure was that Windows was aiming to replace DOS - and I was a heavy DOS user. OS/2 was the "Better DOS than DOS" that
they claimed - REXX support, DOS VDMs, and native DOS and OS/2 Windows,
as well as full screen support and (relatively) seamless multitasking.
One of my shameless uses of work technology at the time was using my
OS/2 desktop and a network serial port server, connecting 4 copies of Procomm Plus to 4 modems, and dialing out to 4 BBSes simultaneously.
OS/2 could handle the throughput just fine. Windows could barely handle
1.
And you have no HMA???
On 03-28-20 17:28, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
A message will have come past recently... with a mem /c output in it...
That's the junk TLP is loading, out of all that, the only things what
will load high are "share" and an ANSI driver. ANSI I don't normally
load, and share doesn't work properly when loaded high... so both kind
of useless.. the rest of it as you see sta
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