• Got it

    From Melkor@21:4/171 to sysop on Sun Mar 29 22:11:11 2020
    Re: Hello all
    By: sysop to All on Sun Mar 29 2020 02:46 pm

    Hi there,

    Testing first post from Conxtor BBS. I am Volker the sysop.
    Got it here
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  • From volker@21:1/999 to All on Mon Mar 30 23:04:29 2020
    Hi,

    been playing with both Synchronet and Mystic BBS. Both seem capable systems, and by reading the echoes I seem to thing that Mystic is slightly more popular around here than Synchronet... but the documentation is quite incomplete.

    Right now I have Mystic connected here to fsxNet with the "test" node
    21:1/999 but I am testing Synchronet / DoveNet too, and I guess I can also
    add fsxNet to it with the Fido functionality.

    So, which one do you all think is the better bet.

    I really plan to run a BBS long-term, I have plenty of disk and bang on my server, it is a dedicated box with Proxmox, plenty of RAM, Disk, and CPU, so that is not an issue.

    Given these premises, what should I go with?

    Thanks for any advice,
    Volker

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Conxtor BBS (21:1/999)
  • From Al@21:4/106 to volker on Mon Mar 30 16:31:24 2020
    been playing with both Synchronet and Mystic BBS. Both seem capable systems,
    and by reading the echoes I seem to thing that Mystic is slightly more popular
    around here than Synchronet... but the documentation is quite incomplete.

    Run the software that works for you and does what you want it to do and another
    important detail, presents in a way that is easy for you to do what you are doing.

    I know both Synchronet and Mystic quite well and I think that's a real hard choice. Maybe that's why I'm running BBBS. BBBS has a nice message reading and writing interface. Similar to but not the same as Synchronet or Mystic.

    Right now I have Mystic connected here to fsxNet with the "test" node 21:1/999 but I am testing Synchronet / DoveNet too, and I guess I can also add fsxNet to it with the Fido functionality.

    Mystic is easy to configure pretty much everything. Synchronet requires more steps but is rewarding once it's all up and running.

    So, which one do you all think is the better bet.

    I really plan to run a BBS long-term, I have plenty of disk and bang on my server, it is a dedicated box with Proxmox, plenty of RAM, Disk, and CPU, so that is not an issue.

    Given these premises, what should I go with?

    What works for me may not work for you. Have a look at both and then you'll be in a better position to make an informed choice.

    If you have touble with configs there are plenty of us around who can help you with that.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)
  • From garycrunk@21:4/126 to volker on Mon Mar 30 16:33:51 2020
    Given these premises, what should I go with?

    My "Personal" preference is running Mystic. I've run Synchronet before also and I find that Mystic is an easier platform to manage and operate. As well,
    I understand Mystic's door system as well as the file/message system a little better than Synchronet.

    Both are good systems to run a BBS from. You mentioned the small
    documentation for Mystic versus Synchronet. Yes, the documentation can be somewhat lacking in comparison, but the good part is Fsx_Net and the huge friendly support you can get from many other Mystic users. Everyone here
    will help with any question/problem you may have. I've noticed that is
    lacking for Synchronet personally.

    But coming down to the Brass Tacks... It's really just a personal preference call I think. It's what you feel most comfortable in running/managing.

    I know I did not give you a solid answer either way because there really is
    no answer either way. It all boils down to what you like the most.

    With that said.. I personally prefer Mystic.

    Gary Crunk - Another F-ing BBS : anotherbbs.dynu.net Port 23
    Quazar BBS Door Game Server: quazarbbs.dynu.net Port 2525
    300 F-ing Baud BBS: 300baud.dynu.net Port 2524

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/03 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Another F-ing BBS (21:4/126)
  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to volker on Mon Mar 30 16:59:20 2020
    been playing with both Synchronet and Mystic BBS. Both seem capable systems, and by reading the echoes I seem to thing that Mystic is
    slightly more popular around here than Synchronet... but the
    documentation is quite incomplete.
    So, which one do you all think is the better bet.

    Run them both! Seroiusly. Spend time configuring them, cusotmizing them, etc. Run them side-by-side. Try them in different operating systems and different environments.

    I find so much good in both of them. Pesonally, I prefer Mystic as my main
    BBS software and the community is very helpful. But I also run a Synchronet board just to handle my door games (which I send users to via RLogin).

    My Mystic setup is running locally on Win 10 64, my SBBS runs in the cloud on Ubuntu.

    Also planning on running the Major BBS Emulator as well :)

    Learning is half the fun of this hobby!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/26 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Card & Claw BBS | Berkeley, CA | Sysop: Alpha (21:4/158)
  • From echicken to volker on Mon Mar 30 20:01:07 2020
    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: volker to All on Mon Mar 30 2020 19:04:29

    been playing with both Synchronet and Mystic BBS. Both seem capable systems,

    I really plan to run a BBS long-term, I have plenty of disk and bang on my

    So, which one do you all think is the better bet.

    Everyone here is going to tell you to go with whichever one you're most comfortable with, and that's pretty much the right answer.

    If you can get comfortable with Synchronet, then use Synchronet. Long-term, it's the better bet. Regular updates, well documented and supported, very extensible, and open source.

    Your preference matters, though. Some people just find Mystic easier, or prefer its style of operation or its community.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
  • From alterego@21:2/116 to volker on Tue Mar 31 12:40:54 2020
    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: volker to All on Mon Mar 30 2020 07:04 pm

    So, which one do you all think is the better bet.

    So this could be quite a contentious answer :)

    So I use Synchronet - and I do prefer it, cant really tell you why, but what made me switch over to it from Mystic was that it was actively being developed and the developer is very responsive to questions and ideas.

    I'm also building out additional functionality and I like how I can do that on Synchronet.

    There are many here who do using Mystic - and probably because of Avon's videos
    to get them started. I did too. But I switched away from it for the reason that
    I switch to Synchronet.

    I've also used MBSE - I liked it too, there was a couple of things I didnt like
    about it though. Plus I didnt want to really maintain two BBS environments (but
    I do play with other BBSes from time to time).

    At the end of the day, all the offerings have great values, its up to you to decide what you like and want to work with.

    There are some others around to that are worthy of a look - Enimga 1/2 and Magica, and probably some others too that other folks will suggest.

    YMMV... :)
    ...deon


    ... My inferiority complexes aren't as good as yours.
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  • From Al@21:4/106 to garycrunk on Mon Mar 30 18:44:46 2020
    Both are good systems to run a BBS from. You mentioned the small documentation for Mystic versus Synchronet. Yes, the documentation can be somewhat lacking in comparison, but the good part is Fsx_Net and the huge friendly support you can get from many other Mystic users. Everyone here will help with any question/problem you may have. I've noticed that is lacking for Synchronet personally.

    I haven't found Synchronet's support channels lacking. There is a wiki at http://wiki.synchro.net that is a great resource for Synchronet and other info that can be applied to any BBS. It's always being updated to stay current.

    There are also 4 Synchronet areas on dove-net that are also on Fidonet. You can
    get answers quickly there for just about any Synchronet questions you might have. There are many there who answer questions to the best of their ability.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Al on Mon Mar 30 22:01:00 2020
    Al wrote to garycrunk <=-

    Both are good systems to run a BBS from. You mentioned the small documentation for Mystic versus Synchronet. Yes, the documentation can be somewhat lacking in comparison, but the good part is Fsx_Net and the huge friendly support you can get from many other Mystic users. Everyone here will help with any question/problem you may have. I've noticed that is lacking for Synchronet personally.

    I haven't found Synchronet's support channels lacking. There is a
    wiki at http://wiki.synchro.net that is a great resource for
    Synchronet and other info that can be applied to any BBS. It's
    always being updated to stay current.

    I agree completely. The Synchronet Wiki is fantastic, and is
    literally updated every single day.

    There are also 4 Synchronet areas on dove-net that are also on
    Fidonet. You can
    get answers quickly there for just about any Synchronet
    questions you might have. There are many there who answer
    questions to the best of their ability.

    Yes, other sysops in DoveNet are VERY responsive to questions, and
    of course the author of Synchronet is in there and frequently
    (again nearly every day) answers questions for people.

    Another (often overlooked) source of support is the #synchronet
    channel on the #Synchronet IRC network. The author and other key
    contributors to Synchronet are in there (at least idling) and
    again answer questions, often in real time fashion.

    As others have already said, it comes down to a personal choice.
    I find Synchronet much more configurable and capable, and it's my
    choice. The fact that it's open source is a big factor for me,
    too. The active support cannot be touched by any other software
    I've ever seen or used.



    ... Pros are those who do their jobs well, even when they don't feel like it. === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
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  • From tenser@21:1/101 to volker on Tue Mar 31 17:15:46 2020
    On 30 Mar 2020 at 07:04p, volker pondered and said...

    So, which one do you all think is the better bet.

    I don't run a "traditional" BBS package, preferring
    instead using the basic Unix functionality as my "BBS".

    That said, if I were to run a traditional BBS package,
    I would look closely at Synchronet: it seems to be the
    best documented and best supported, and it's open
    source. The source code seems to be of uniformly high
    quality. I would also look closely at Enigma 1/2 and
    Magicka.

    I would not consider Mystic.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From volker@21:1/999 to tenser on Tue Mar 31 04:25:14 2020
    I don't run a "traditional" BBS package, preferring
    instead using the basic Unix functionality as my "BBS".

    How do you do that?

    I mean, the basic Unix functionality as you put it, is no stranger to me, but how do you manage echomails, files, etc, the menu system (dialog?) the management of users (is each BBS user also a Unix user? How do they self-register?)

    I am intrigued. Any links you could provide?

    Thanks,
    Volker

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Conxtor BBS (21:1/999)
  • From echicken to Al on Tue Mar 31 00:51:45 2020
    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Al to garycrunk on Mon Mar 30 2020 14:44:46

    friendly support you can get from many other Mystic users. Everyone here
    will help with any question/problem you may have. I've noticed that is
    lacking for Synchronet personally.

    I haven't found Synchronet's support channels lacking. There is a wiki at

    With Synchronet we get the same questions very often, so if the answer is in the wiki, we tend to point people over there to read it. Partly this is so that we don't have to repeat ourselves ad nauseam, and partly it's to remind people that the docs exist. Sometimes it's because the answer is complicated and has many variables, so the asker is better served reading the docs.

    Some people take this as a brush-off, like we can't be bothered to help them, or like we're annoyed that they didn't just help themselves. It's never the former, and only very occasionally the latter. Follow-up questions are welcome, etc.

    If somebody has tried getting support for Synchronet and it hasn't worked out for them, they may just not be compatible with the support structure that's in place. It is what it is.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
  • From tenser@21:1/101 to volker on Tue Mar 31 18:17:22 2020
    On 31 Mar 2020 at 12:25a, volker pondered and said...

    I don't run a "traditional" BBS package, preferring
    instead using the basic Unix functionality as my "BBS".

    How do you do that?

    I don't; the operating system and the software it ships
    with do most of it for me. :-)

    I mean, the basic Unix functionality as you put it, is no stranger to
    me, but how do you manage echomails, files, etc, the menu system
    (dialog?) the management of users (is each BBS user also a Unix user?
    How do they self-register?)

    Each BBS user is a Unix user. Users are created via a
    self-service account creation tool: one logs into a
    special user account ("newuser") which queries the user
    for a bit of data and then runs a few setuid-root
    program to create the user account. It then enrolls
    the user into a Kerberos KDC and emails them a password.

    All authentication is done against Kerberos.

    Echomail is still a work in progress. I wrote a binkp
    "mailer", and wrote software to rip apart arcmail bundles;
    the next step, that frankly I just haven't gotten around
    to yet, is to take echomail messages and write them to a
    private NNTP server (I run INN). Responses go the other
    way around, being posted via NNTP and streamed to software
    that appears to be an NNTP peer on the receiving end, but
    that produces arcmail archives that are sent via binkp.

    Files are not something I'm particularly interested in,
    but nothing prevents users from sending and receiving
    files if they want to. They can use standard SCP, SFTP
    or HTTP tools to do that. If they really want to, they
    can stream x/y/zmodem/kermit or any of the other modem
    protocols over an interactive session, though I don't
    know why anyone would want to do that when superior
    Internet-standard protocols exist and are perfectly
    usable, but the commands are installed.

    For menus, I haven't done a lot; I wrote the "menu shell"
    we use on grex.org, but have more ambitious ideas for
    my system. The gist is that one can use ncurses via
    FFI or implement my one's screen update code, parse text
    files, and present menus. The current BBS interface is
    based on a restricted shell I wrote for grex.org. Again
    a work in progress. I'll probably do some kind of
    minimal NNTP-client sort of thing as a messaging interface.

    I don't do CP437. UTF-8 is a superset and superior in
    all ways. Fortunately, many tools exist to convert
    legacy CP437 encodings to UTF-8, and the unscii fonts
    exist to display all the glyphs.

    There are plenty of great text-based games playable,
    but sadly, some of the BBS-favorites aren't easily
    supportable (I run OpenBSD). But if folks want to
    place Empire or Angband or something like that, have at
    it.

    What else is there to a BBS?

    And users can have access to a normal Unix shell if
    they want. Unix was designed for interactive timesharing
    use; users are free to write programs and documents,
    play games, communicate with each other interactively,
    etc. One can do so much more than a traditional BBS
    package....

    I am intrigued. Any links you could provide?

    Sure! Have a look at http://fat-dragon.org/

    Also https://grex.org

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From apam@21:1/126 to volker on Tue Mar 31 15:19:37 2020
    I really plan to run a BBS long-term, I have plenty of disk and
    bang on my server, it is a dedicated box with Proxmox, plenty of
    RAM, Disk, and CPU, so that is not an issue.

    Given these premises, what should I go with?

    Hi volker

    As other's have said, it's really a personal choice, and what it comes
    down to is run whatever you enjoy.

    BBSing now days is for the most part about sysops tinkering and playing
    and communicating with each other. Users that are not also sysops are
    very very rare.

    So that said, I wouldn't constrain yourself to "running a bbs long-term"
    but rather being a part of the community long term. That way you can
    tinker, try different packages out, have fun, maybe even have a go at
    coming up with something yourself.

    I've been back for several years now, I've run, Enigma 1/2, WWIV,
    Synchronet, EzyCom, Mystic (yeah I did actually run it years ago). I've
    also written more bbs packages than I can count on one hand (because I
    find it fun) but in the end the main constant for me is the people. That
    is, all the packages are fine, they all do the job.

    I hope that helps, I know it didn't really answer your question.

    Andrew

    --- MagickaBBS v0.13alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: HappyLand - telnet://magickabbs.com:2023/ (21:1/126)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to volker on Tue Mar 31 16:58:00 2020
    Go the whole hog and run some DOS software in VM's :)

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)
  • From volker@21:1/999 to echicken on Tue Mar 31 11:02:54 2020
    With Synchronet we get the same questions very often, so if the answer
    is in the wiki, we tend to point people over there to read it.

    Plain good old RTFM. Nothing wrong with that. Also:

    "Documentation is like sex. When it's good, it's very good, and when it's
    not that good, it's still better than nothing"
    :)

    Regards,
    Volker

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Conxtor BBS (21:1/999)
  • From volker@21:1/999 to Spectre on Tue Mar 31 11:10:45 2020
    Go the whole hog and run some DOS software in VM's :)

    Not the kind of pain I am willing to endure, sorry. Unix, GNU-Linux guy to
    the bone since 1994 when I picked up a Slackware CD nobody else seemed to
    want in some dusty corner of an IT shop in Mons, Belgium and still had to create around 24 3,5" under MS-DOS (anyone remember rawrite.exe?)

    Volker

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Conxtor BBS (21:1/999)
  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to volker on Tue Mar 31 04:12:51 2020
    What works for me may not work for you. Have a look at both and then you'll be in a better position to make an informed choice.

    As for myself...I currently run Mystic on an old 12 year old netbook on
    Windows 32-bit. Originally wanted to run Renegade under OS/2...since I had run that back in the day when Cott Lang was looking for boards to run his beta software. Couldn't get the TCP/IP stack running under it. Before that...I ran Telegard. Going even further back...was into OS/2...which is now ArcaOS (the newest version of OS/2 with modern support for hardware).

    Previously...Mystic used to have an DOS/OS/2 version...but the interest waned on both of them...so they're not being supported any more since 1.07. There
    was a test version of Mystic which had much of the easy items working...but none of the server/telnet functions were there. If this version were to come out...I would run it on my Lenovo ThinkCentre I bought for $50 the same time
    I purchased my copy of ArcaOS. Since Telegard/2 does use JAM message bases...with other programs which are native OS/2...am working very slowly getting that set up.

    To sum all of this up...am heavily into the retro scene. My first computer
    was a Timex-Sinclair 1000 I got for $5. Moved up to the Commodore line until the early 90's when I made the jump to DOS-OS/2-Windows. Mystic is fantastic...but I do play games on my C64 Mini. Brings back great memories of the best time of my life.

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: ACME BBS-I taut I taw a puddy tat! (21:2/147)
  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to apam on Tue Mar 31 04:26:36 2020
    BBSing now days is for the most part about sysops tinkering and playing and communicating with each other. Users that are not also sysops are
    very very rare.

    Very true. Much of the reason I came back into the fold was however much I
    like my current job in retail...it's still not the same as when I was working in IT figuring out how to make whatever software do what we wanted. BBS's take me back to the time when my job was solving issues in logical/methodical way...without needing much in the way of dealing with the feelings of the users other than making sure it run correctly. It would be safe to say doing this gets me back into touch with something which makes me feel more human and happy.

    <No flowers...just money...money...money.....money> ;D

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: ACME BBS-I taut I taw a puddy tat! (21:2/147)
  • From Oli@21:1/151 to volker on Tue Mar 31 15:40:23 2020
    On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 19:04:29 +0000
    "volker -> All" <0@999.1.21> wrote:

    Hi,

    been playing with both Synchronet and Mystic BBS. Both seem capable systems, and by reading the echoes I seem to thing that Mystic is
    slightly more popular around here than Synchronet... but the
    documentation is quite incomplete.

    Right now I have Mystic connected here to fsxNet with the "test" node 21:1/999 but I am testing Synchronet / DoveNet too, and I guess I can
    also add fsxNet to it with the Fido functionality.

    So, which one do you all think is the better bet.

    I haven't used neither of it, but from a network perspective Synchronet is the clear winner (in my opinion). Fsxnet runs mostly on Mystic and there were so many problems since I joined last year, that I wouldn't touch Mystic at all (closed source is also
    I don't have any opinion about the BBS part of both packages, I only know that there were problems with Mystic's Python runtime, if you used other Linux distros than Ubuntu 18.04.

    One advantage of Mystic over Synchronet is the support for JAM message bases, which makes it possible to use external editors or tossers.

    As others already mentioned, Enigma 1/2 and Magicka are also interesting open source alternatives.



    * Origin: FCKTRMP (21:1/151)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to volker on Wed Apr 1 00:25:00 2020
    Not the kind of pain I am willing to endure, sorry. Unix, GNU-Linux
    guy to the bone since 1994 when I picked up a Slackware CD nobody
    else seemed to want in some dusty corner of an IT shop in Mons,
    Belgium and still had to create around 24 3,5" under MS-DOS (anyone remember rawrite.exe?)

    First Linux I had to use was Slak, 1.0 I think...you still had to compile ìstuff like PPP in. Was very lucky to have a few people far more experienced ìthan myself doing the heavy lifting. We only had I think 3 install floppies, ìoccasional extras if we n
    I set up my first MUD back then on a 386-DX40 :)

    Spec


    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: < Scrawled in blood at The Lower Planes > (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to volker on Wed Apr 1 00:25:00 2020
    Not the kind of pain I am willing to endure, sorry. Unix, GNU-Linux
    guy to the bone since 1994 when I picked up a Slackware CD nobody
    else seemed to want in some dusty corner of an IT shop in Mons,
    Belgium and still had to create around 24 3,5" under MS-DOS (anyone remember rawrite.exe?)

    First Linux I had to use was Slak, 1.0 I think...you still had to compile stuff
    like PPP in. Was very lucky to have a few people far more experienced than myself doing the heavy lifting. We only had I think 3 install floppies, occasional extras if we needed something or sucked stuff in off the net.

    I set up my first MUD back then on a 386-DX40 :)

    Spec


    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: < Scrawled in blood at The Lower Planes > (21:3/101)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to volker on Wed Apr 1 01:35:00 2020
    On 03-30-20 19:04, volker wrote to All <=-

    Hi,

    been playing with both Synchronet and Mystic BBS. Both seem capable systems, and by reading the echoes I seem to thing that Mystic is
    slightly more popular around here than Synchronet... but the
    documentation is quite incomplete.

    Right now I have Mystic connected here to fsxNet with the "test" node 21:1/999 but I am testing Synchronet / DoveNet too, and I guess I can
    also add fsxNet to it with the Fido functionality.

    So, which one do you all think is the better bet.

    I really plan to run a BBS long-term, I have plenty of disk and bang on
    my server, it is a dedicated box with Proxmox, plenty of RAM, Disk, and CPU, so that is not an issue.

    Given these premises, what should I go with?

    You have 3 choices (4 actually, but I can't see you choosing #4 ;) ). The 3 choices are:

    1. Run Mystic
    2. Run Synchronet
    3. Run both (i.e. 2 BBSs)

    #3 is a great option while you're deciding as well. But if you had to choose 1, choose the one you end up liking most. Both Synchronet and Mystic are excellent packages. If I had to pick one, I would probably go with Synchronet, but there's not much in it, and there's a large personal component in the I like how Synchronet dows things - but that said, Mystic is an easy to manage FTN hub, provided you don't get too fancy with the network topology.

    No hurry to choose, and you can run both on the same server - just have to make sure they run on different ports or different IPs (if you are able to run multiple IPs on the one server, like I can here).

    But to choose one boils doen to:

    1. Which has the best match of features for what you want.

    2. Which software works the way you like and is easier for you to manage and setup the way you want for your users' experience.

    You can't really go wrong with this choice, buth are excellent packages.


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    --- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to echicken on Wed Apr 1 01:42:00 2020
    On 03-30-20 20:51, echicken wrote to Al <=-

    With Synchronet we get the same questions very often, so if the answer
    is in the wiki, we tend to point people over there to read it. Partly
    this is so that we don't have to repeat ourselves ad nauseam, and

    I actually find that handy, because sometimes it's easy to forget what's on the wiki, and the wiki's documentation is generally very good, so I value those pointers, especially since those, especially the author, who refer one to the wiki tend to post the exact link I'm looking for.

    I certainly have never had cause to complain about Synchronet support.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to tenser on Wed Apr 1 01:45:00 2020
    On 03-31-20 14:17, tenser wrote to volker <=-

    On 31 Mar 2020 at 12:25a, volker pondered and said...

    I don't run a "traditional" BBS package, preferring
    instead using the basic Unix functionality as my "BBS".

    How do you do that?

    I don't; the operating system and the software it ships
    with do most of it for me. :-)

    That is an interesting approach, and I can see it has a lot of merit as well.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to volker on Wed Apr 1 01:47:00 2020
    On 03-31-20 07:10, volker wrote to Spectre <=-

    Go the whole hog and run some DOS software in VM's :)

    Not the kind of pain I am willing to endure, sorry. Unix, GNU-Linux guy
    to the bone since 1994 when I picked up a Slackware CD nobody else
    seemed to want in some dusty corner of an IT shop in Mons, Belgium and still had to create around 24 3,5" under MS-DOS (anyone remember rawrite.exe?)

    Those were the days. :)


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  • From volker@21:1/999 to Vk3jed on Tue Mar 31 15:49:21 2020
    You have 3 choices (4 actually, but I can't see you choosing #4 ;) ).

    Come on, don't be such a spoilsport... What is #4?

    Regards,
    Volker

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to volker on Tue Mar 31 11:39:00 2020
    volker wrote to Spectre <=-

    Go the whole hog and run some DOS software in VM's :)

    Not the kind of pain I am willing to endure, sorry. Unix,
    GNU-Linux guy to the bone since 1994 when I picked up a Slackware
    CD nobody else seemed to want in some dusty corner of an IT shop
    in Mons, Belgium and still had to create around 24 3,5" under
    MS-DOS (anyone remember rawrite.exe?)

    I've been a Slacker since around 1996, and yes, I do remember
    rawrite.exe.... <SHUDDER> :-)


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  • From echicken to Vk3jed on Tue Mar 31 13:42:40 2020
    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Vk3jed to echicken on Tue Mar 31 2020 21:42:00

    I actually find that handy, because sometimes it's easy to forget what's on the
    wiki, and the wiki's documentation is generally very good, so I value those
    pointers, especially since those, especially the author, who refer one to the
    wiki tend to post the exact link I'm looking for.

    Unless I'm in a rush, I try to share the exact link and a bit of explanatory text. Feels like too much of a brush-off if I don't. Yes, the wiki's searchable - but knowing the correct search terms is often half the battle.

    I certainly have never had cause to complain about Synchronet support.

    Most people don't, but some people are rubbed the wrong way by it. If they come away with the impression that Synchronet is *lacking* in support, then it probably wasn't a good fit for them to begin with.

    Occasionally I find myself needing to flash a hacked/community firmware onto something like a wireless router or oscilloscope or whatever. Sometimes there's a wiki, incomplete or totally out of date. There's *always* a crappy web forum. The real answers are in that forum, and the constant refrain is "read this thread" (which is 50 - 100 pages long). Some people are satisfied with that as a support resource, even to the point of effusive praise. I'm on the edge of rage as I scrub through the messages trying to collate them into a definitive answer. Obviously this works for some people, but I am just not compatible with that style of (hugely inefficient) support.

    Now, clearly in the above situation I'm right and they're wrong, but more importantly, I just didn't like the support resources I encountered and I came away feeling frustrated.

    ---
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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to volker on Tue Mar 31 13:35:10 2020
    "Documentation is like sex. When it's good, it's very good, and when it's not that good, it's still better than nothing"

    I've never heard this applied to docs before. Pizza, yes, but not docs!

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Spectre on Tue Mar 31 13:51:30 2020
    @PATH: 3/101 100 4/100 1/100
    First Linux I had to use was Slak, 1.0 I think...you still had to

    <copied two relevant lines above>

    I consistently get duplicate messages from Spectre for some reason also. Note the @PATH above - I always get one /without/ 4/100 followed by one /with/ 4/100. Not sure what's going on here. It's rather annoying but such is the nature of having so many different softwares handling FTN, I guess.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to volker on Wed Apr 1 15:55:00 2020
    Come on, don't be such a spoilsport... What is #4?

    It'd have to be none :)


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to ryan on Wed Apr 1 16:01:00 2020
    @PATH: 3/101 100 4/100 1/100
    First Linux I had to use was Slak, 1.0 I think...you still had to

    I consistently get duplicate messages from Spectre for some reason also.

    Each time this comes around, I offer to look at attempting to fix it. But am ìthen assured its not my problem, and the broken network sections really need ìthe repair.

    I don't know where the HARD <cr> vs SOFT <cr>'s are inserted into the ìmessages, if someone can bang out a quick utility to convert soft to hard, ìI'm happy to try that before the messages are inserted into the message base. ìSeeing as I have to call the
    Spec


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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Spectre on Tue Mar 31 22:26:34 2020
    Hello Spectre,

    Each time this comes around, I offer to look at attempting to fix it.
    But am then assured its not my problem, and the broken network
    sections really need the repair.

    Yes, that's true.

    I don't know where the HARD <cr> vs SOFT <cr>'s are inserted into the messages, if someone can bang out a quick utility to convert soft to
    hard, I'm happy to try that before the messages are inserted into the message base. Seeing as I have to call the editor from a batchfile
    already this is no big deal.

    If you can lose the Soft CRs that would be OK as well. They don't happen a lot these days but they do happen so it's best handled by tossers.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to tenser on Wed Apr 1 01:30:00 2020
    Hello tenser!

    ** 31.03.20 - 14:17, tenser wrote to volker:

    Each BBS user is a Unix user. Users are created via a
    self-service account creation tool: one logs into a
    special user account ("newuser") which queries the user
    for a bit of data and then runs a few setuid-root
    program to create the user account. It then enrolls
    the user into a Kerberos KDC and emails them a password.

    -[snip]-

    What else is there to a BBS?

    And users can have access to a normal Unix shell if
    they want. Unix was designed for interactive timesharing
    use; users are free to write programs and documents,
    play games, communicate with each other interactively,
    etc. One can do so much more than a traditional BBS
    package....

    I am intrigued. Any links you could provide?

    Sure! Have a look at http://fat-dragon.org/

    Also https://grex.org


    You make some fine arguments in your articles at fat-dragon.

    I registered at grex.org a few minutes ago. My first foray into SSH! How long does the initial confirmation process take?



    ../|ug

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to volker on Wed Apr 1 00:07:27 2020
    volker wrote to All <=-

    I really plan to run a BBS long-term, I have plenty of disk and bang on
    my server, it is a dedicated box with Proxmox, plenty of RAM, Disk, and CPU, so that is not an issue.

    Given these premises, what should I go with?

    I tried mystic. Stuck with Synchronet. Synchronet might be a little more difficult to set up because it has more services and also more cnf/ini
    files (most of them, as least on linux, do have utilities to edit them with
    if you prefer). IMHO, it is easier to troubleshoot and the author is "more patient" with users.


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  • From alterego@21:2/116 to Al on Wed Apr 1 18:34:53 2020
    Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Al to Spectre on Tue Mar 31 2020 06:26 pm

    If you can lose the Soft CRs that would be OK as well. They don't happen a lot these days but they do happen so it's best handled by tossers.

    Or if you talk in shorter sentenances (less than 79 chars) and more paragraphs :)
    ...deon


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to tenser on Wed Apr 1 03:36:00 2020
    Hello tenser!

    ** 31.03.20 - 14:17, tenser wrote to volker:

    On 31 Mar 2020 at 12:25a, volker pondered and said...

    I don't run a "traditional" BBS package, preferring
    instead using the basic Unix functionality as my "BBS".

    How do you do that?

    I don't; the operating system and the software it ships
    with do most of it for me. :-)


    I am intrigued by your presentation and have registered for a grex.org account to see what your idea of a modern "BBS" looks like. :)

    Meanwhile, another fellow has used a similar approach to using the
    existing progs and functionality of Windows to start building a new kind
    of "BBS" too. He calls it Web Point, or Point Web. The user is assigned
    as a point on the host Fidonet system. The user is provided with a simplified mouseable "Main Menu" with a concurrent console-based Golded++ window for messaging in the same view.

    From the sysop's own words on Feb 2020 in the Fidonet POINTS echo:

    " ..after a few hours of work I managed to create a point system via the web (your browser must load HTML5 pages) without the user configuring the various software to access the system!

    " The Point Web system of Veleno BBS will allow you to read, write,
    reply, etc ... in the various echo areas and also in netmail without you
    having to go crazy to configure any type of software. A menu will help you
    to add, remove, rescan areas in a fully automatic mode SIMPLY USING YOUR INTERNET BROWSER THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY USING TO NAVIGATE.

    " If you want more information or if you want to try this innovative
    system, just leave me a (Fidonet) netmail at 2: 333 / 808.1 (Thomas Bampi)
    or an email to krueger@velenobbs.net

    I have a few samples of screenshots captured during initial testing:

    http://openxp.kolico.ca/pointweb-on-17/
    http://openxp.kolico.ca/pointweb-on-15/

    ..Ogg

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to ryan on Wed Apr 1 13:51:51 2020
    On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 09:51:30 -0700
    "ryan -> Spectre" <0@168.1.21> wrote:

    @PATH: 3/101 100 4/100 1/100
    First Linux I had to use was Slak, 1.0 I think...you still had
    to

    <copied two relevant lines above>

    I consistently get duplicate messages from Spectre for some reason
    also. Note the @PATH above - I always get one /without/ 4/100
    followed by one /with/ 4/100. Not sure what's going on here. It's
    rather annoying but such is the nature of having so many different softwares handling FTN, I guess.

    It's not the nature, it's just one software (called Mystic) that doesn't respect standards and creates problems in the network. Recently that software also managed it somehow that different versions of it shoot each other in the foot (256 character bug).

    It's good to hear it from a Mystic user too, that the problems are indeed annoying.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to volker on Wed Apr 1 21:22:00 2020
    On 03-31-20 11:49, volker wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    You have 3 choices (4 actually, but I can't see you choosing #4 ;) ).

    Come on, don't be such a spoilsport... What is #4?

    It is rather obvious - "run neither". :P


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to echicken on Wed Apr 1 21:27:00 2020
    On 03-31-20 09:42, echicken wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Unless I'm in a rush, I try to share the exact link and a bit of explanatory text. Feels like too much of a brush-off if I don't. Yes,
    the wiki's searchable - but knowing the correct search terms is often
    half the battle.

    Yeah you and DM, among others are really good at that. I try and do the same when pointing others to the wiki.

    I certainly have never had cause to complain about Synchronet support.

    Most people don't, but some people are rubbed the wrong way by it. If
    they come away with the impression that Synchronet is *lacking* in support, then it probably wasn't a good fit for them to begin with.

    Yes, I personally don't get that, but I have seen it happen, but different people have different needs, and that I do get.

    Occasionally I find myself needing to flash a hacked/community firmware onto something like a wireless router or oscilloscope or whatever. Sometimes there's a wiki, incomplete or totally out of date. There's *always* a crappy web forum. The real answers a
    Now, clearly in the above situation I'm right and they're wrong, but
    more importantly, I just didn't like the support resources I
    encountered and I came away feeling frustrated.

    Yeah, I hate web forums. Search usually finds a lot of people asking the same question with a heap of "me too" responses and no answers. Even a bad wiki is better than nothing, I have been known to make something work from that and a bit of logic or trial and error. :)


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Oli on Wed Apr 1 05:39:17 2020
    It's not the nature, it's just one software (called Mystic) that doesn't respect standards and creates problems in the network. Recently that software also managed it somehow that different versions of it shoot
    each other in the foot (256 character bug).

    This software also probably accounts for around 50% of the traffic on this network (if not more) and the "different versions" are different pre-alphas which assumes a bit of risk. Your constant badgering of g00r00 and your tone likely made significant contributions toward driving him away.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/18 (Linux/64)
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  • From volker@21:1/999 to Vk3jed on Wed Apr 1 13:31:02 2020
    It is rather obvious - "run neither". :P

    YMMD, ROTFL. Not an option, you're right.

    --Volker

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Conxtor BBS (21:1/999)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to volker on Thu Apr 2 01:26:00 2020
    On 04-01-20 09:31, volker wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It is rather obvious - "run neither". :P

    YMMD, ROTFL. Not an option, you're right.

    I suspected that was the case. :D


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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to volker on Wed Apr 1 17:07:06 2020
    On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 09:31:02 +0000
    "volker -> Vk3jed" <0@999.1.21> wrote:

    It is rather obvious - "run neither". :P

    YMMD, ROTFL. Not an option, you're right.

    Why not, there are so many other alternatives ;-P

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  • From tenser@21:4/154 to Ogg on Wed Apr 1 15:14:44 2020
    On 31 Mar 2020, Ogg said the following...

    You make some fine arguments in your articles at fat-dragon.

    I registered at grex.org a few minutes ago. My first foray into SSH!
    How long does the initial confirmation process take?

    If you've sent the email, Kent will usually validate
    your account within a day or so. If you tell me your
    username, I'll do it as soon as I see the note...

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to tenser on Wed Apr 1 21:39:00 2020
    Hello tenser!

    ** 01.04.20 - 11:14, tenser wrote to Ogg:

    On 31 Mar 2020, Ogg said the following...

    I registered at grex.org a few minutes ago. My first foray into SSH!
    How long does the initial confirmation process take?

    If you've sent the email, Kent will usually validate
    your account within a day or so. If you tell me your
    username, I'll do it as soon as I see the note...

    Thanks for the reply.

    I haven't received the first email with the validation info following the
    SSH registration session yet.

    Username = ogg


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to tenser on Tue Mar 31 13:08:00 2020
    tenser wrote to volker <=-

    I don't run a "traditional" BBS package, preferring
    instead using the basic Unix functionality as my "BBS".

    That just gave me pause; if there were a way to get mail from an *nix MTA
    like Sendmail to a FTN mailer, NNTP for the message areas and you'd be more than halfway there.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to echicken on Tue Mar 31 13:10:00 2020
    echicken wrote to Al <=-

    Some people take this as a brush-off, like we can't be bothered to help them, or like we're annoyed that they didn't just help themselves. It's never the former, and only very occasionally the latter. Follow-up questions are welcome, etc.

    Rob's probably pointed me to the wiki or the web site 2 dozen times or more over the years. He's quick to respond with a link and rarely throws any RTFM attitude, to the point that I assumed he has a wikibot posting to DOVEnet.
    :)


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Tue Mar 31 13:12:00 2020
    Spectre wrote to volker <=-

    Go the whole hog and run some DOS software in VM's :)

    I would love to see FrontDoor answering a telnet port in a VM. :)




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Blue White on Wed Apr 1 12:35:00 2020
    Blue White wrote to volker <=-

    I tried mystic. Stuck with Synchronet. Synchronet might be a little
    more difficult to set up because it has more services and also more cnf/ini files (most of them, as least on linux, do have utilities to
    edit them with if you prefer). IMHO, it is easier to troubleshoot and
    the author is "more patient" with users.

    I've heard two things to distinguish Mystic versus Synchronet.

    People have said that Mystic provides a more "classic" BBS environment; I think they're referring to the lack of web forum a la ecweb4 for Synchronet. They both feel BBS-like via telnet and are very customizable.

    Synchronet relies on Javascript for much of its functionality and extensibility; Mystic uses MPL, which I *think* is close to Python. If
    you're looking to extend your BBS' capabilities and have (or want
    experience) with JS or Python, that might make a difference.

    I could be wrong - I've run Synchronet since 2004 and Mystic on and off for about an hour total. I like them both, but most of my momentum has been with Synchronet.


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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to tenser on Thu Apr 2 15:40:05 2020
    On 01 Apr 2020 at 11:14a, tenser pondered and said...

    On 31 Mar 2020, Ogg said the following...

    You make some fine arguments in your articles at fat-dragon.

    I registered at grex.org a few minutes ago. My first foray into SSH! How long does the initial confirmation process take?

    If you've sent the email, Kent will usually validate
    your account within a day or so. If you tell me your
    username, I'll do it as soon as I see the note...

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    you did mean its just a unix shell right??? i looked at the website too... cheers.

    M@STERMiND

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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to Ogg on Thu Apr 2 15:41:24 2020
    I haven't received the first email with the validation info following
    the SSH registration session yet.

    i dont think you will. :P

    M@STERMiND

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/26 (Windows/32)
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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 1 20:24:24 2020
    People have said that Mystic provides a more "classic" BBS environment;
    I think they're referring to the lack of web forum a la ecweb4 for Synchronet. They both feel BBS-like via telnet and are very customizable.

    My personal feeling is that Synchronet does way too much, and it does it all
    by default. So you wind up with a dozen Synchronet boards that look exactly
    the same, carry the same message nets, same file areas, etc., and I don't
    find that very appealing.

    Some people have done great work modding Synchronet, and I'm into the modding scene, so these boards appeal to me. But the well done ones are either
    totally unique (like echicken) or they are made to feel like...mystic boards. :)

    The other major sticking point for me is that mystic feels a lot faster /
    more responsive when I telnet in. There's a barely noticeable lag in
    Synchronet between a keypress and seeing the result. An example of this is litebar menus. Mystic is just faster, enough so to where it makes a
    difference to me.

    Synchronet relies on Javascript for much of its functionality and extensibility; Mystic uses MPL, which I *think* is close to Python. If you're looking to extend your BBS' capabilities and have (or want experience) with JS or Python, that might make a difference.

    Slight correction, mpl is quite a bit like pascal and these scripts must be compiled. That said, mystic does have a python 2.7 integration.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: monterey bbs (21:1/168)
  • From echicken to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 2 00:28:54 2020
    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Blue White on Wed Apr 01 2020 08:35:00

    Synchronet relies on Javascript for much of its functionality and extensibility; Mystic uses MPL, which I *think* is close to Python. If you're looking to extend your BBS' capabilities and have (or want experience) with JS or Python, that might make a difference.

    Mystic uses both MPL and Python, MPL being older, Pascal-like, requiring compilation.

    MPL is to Mystic as Baja is to Synchronet, and Python is to Mystic as JS is to Synchronet. That said, as far as I could tell the last time I looked, Synchronet's JS API is much richer.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Al on Wed Apr 1 18:34:00 2020
    I don't know where the HARD <cr> vs SOFT <cr>'s are inserted

    If you can lose the Soft CRs that would be OK as well. They don't

    Well either, should not be to hard for someone to bang out a quick util to ìread the msgtmp file and rewrite it with either modified or removed SOFT <cr>s
    ìI'm not really setup to write anything at the moment. Bear in mind it'll ìneed to be a DOS exe for
    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 2 15:47:00 2020
    I would love to see FrontDoor answering a telnet port in a VM. :)

    It can be done. I had some specific issues getting set up that led me to not ìrun with FD in front of the BBS system. I had to give it its own VM and run ìseperately.

    I could probably make it work now.. just a matter of rewriting the batch ìfiles. But although FD still seems to pick up mail just fine. From what I ìcan tell its not so good at playing host.

    Spec


    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: < Scrawled in blood at The Lower Planes > (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Al on Wed Apr 1 18:34:00 2020
    I don't know where the HARD <cr> vs SOFT <cr>'s are inserted

    If you can lose the Soft CRs that would be OK as well. They don't

    Well either, should not be to hard for someone to bang out a quick util to read
    the msgtmp file and rewrite it with either modified or removed SOFT <cr>s I'm not really setup to write anything at the moment. Bear in mind it'll need to be a DOS exe for me.

    Spec


    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: < Scrawled in blood at The Lower Planes > (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 2 15:47:00 2020
    I would love to see FrontDoor answering a telnet port in a VM. :)

    It can be done. I had some specific issues getting set up that led me to not run with FD in front of the BBS system. I had to give it its own VM and run seperately.

    I could probably make it work now.. just a matter of rewriting the batch files. But although FD still seems to pick up mail just fine. From what I can tell its not so good at playing host.

    Spec


    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: < Scrawled in blood at The Lower Planes > (21:3/101)
  • From Al@21:4/106 to Spectre on Wed Apr 1 23:27:26 2020
    If you can lose the Soft CRs that would be OK as well. They don't

    Well either, should not be to hard for someone to bang out a quick util to rea
    the msgtmp file and rewrite it with either modified or removed SOFT <cr>s I'm not really setup to write anything at the moment. Bear in mind it'll need to be a DOS exe for me.

    Now that I've had time to think about it.. ;)

    Are you using iceedit? I think you can toggle the end of line settings?

    It may or may not make a difference but you could try that and we'll see.

    In any case soft-crs happen and it's not your issue.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to mastermind on Thu Apr 2 03:31:00 2020
    Hello mastermind!

    ** 02.04.20 - 11:41, mastermind wrote to Ogg:

    I haven't received the first email with the validation info following
    the SSH registration session yet.

    i dont think you will. :P

    Why do you say that?

    --- OpenXP 5.0.43
    * Origin: [} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 2 19:01:00 2020
    On 03-31-20 09:12, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Spectre <=-

    Spectre wrote to volker <=-

    Go the whole hog and run some DOS software in VM's :)

    I would love to see FrontDoor answering a telnet port in a VM. :)

    Easy, just add a virtual modem in the VM that's mapped to a DOS COM port. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 2 19:04:00 2020
    On 04-01-20 08:35, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Blue White <=-

    I've heard two things to distinguish Mystic versus Synchronet.

    People have said that Mystic provides a more "classic" BBS environment;
    I think they're referring to the lack of web forum a la ecweb4 for Synchronet. They both feel BBS-like via telnet and are very
    customizable.

    Yes, Mystic is intended to be a more "traditional" BBS, while Synchronet is designed to take more advantage of alternatives offered by the Internet. Neither approach is right or wrong, just different ways of making a BBS.

    Synchronet relies on Javascript for much of its functionality and extensibility; Mystic uses MPL, which I *think* is close to Python. If you're looking to extend your BBS' capabilities and have (or want experience) with JS or Python, that might make a difference.

    Mystic's MPL is actually based on Pascal, but Mystic also supports MPY, which is based on Python 2.7, IIRC.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thu Apr 2 19:07:00 2020
    On 04-01-20 14:34, Spectre wrote to Al <=-

    I don't know where the HARD <cr> vs SOFT <cr>'s are inserted

    If you can lose the Soft CRs that would be OK as well. They don't

    Well either, should not be to hard for someone to bang out a quick util
    to read
    the msgtmp file and rewrite it with either modified or removed SOFT
    <cr>s I'm not really setup to write anything at the moment. Bear in mind
    t'll
    need to
    be a DOS exe for me.

    Sounds like you need something like "sed" for DOS. :D


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  • From tenser@21:1/101 to Ogg on Fri Apr 3 10:53:19 2020
    On 01 Apr 2020 at 05:39p, Ogg pondered and said...

    Thanks for the reply.

    I haven't received the first email with the validation info following
    the SSH registration session yet.

    Hmm; it looks like the email was rejected due to Grex
    getting put onto a spam blacklist. I sent you email
    directly with your password and validated your account.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From tenser@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 3 10:54:26 2020
    On 31 Mar 2020 at 09:08a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

    That just gave me pause; if there were a way to get mail from an *nix
    MTA like Sendmail to a FTN mailer, NNTP for the message areas and you'd
    be more than halfway there.

    Indeed. In principle, doing so isn't terribly technically
    difficult. However, it's just a "Small Matter of Programming"
    to make it happen.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From tenser@21:1/101 to mastermind on Fri Apr 3 10:57:25 2020
    On 02 Apr 2020 at 11:40a, mastermind pondered and said...

    If you've sent the email, Kent will usually validate
    your account within a day or so. If you tell me your
    username, I'll do it as soon as I see the note...

    you did mean its just a unix shell right??? i looked at the website
    too... cheers.

    Yup. Grex is fairly restrictive when you first get
    an account, because we've had a lot of issues with
    abuse in the past.

    Unfortunately, the email to Ogg was swallowed by a
    spam blacklist. Again, remnants of past abuse.

    Email is hard unless you do it at scale.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Lupine Furmen@21:4/102 to volker on Thu Apr 2 17:56:44 2020
    been playing with both Synchronet and Mystic BBS. Both seem capable systems, and by reading the echoes I seem to thing that Mystic is
    slightly more popular around here than Synchronet... but the
    documentation is quite incomplete.

    If you are planning on adding any FIDO type networks then I would go with Mystic. It is FAR FAR FAR easier to configure than Synchro. I run both packages, And Synchro was a BEAR to setup FTN networks and echoes. Mystic is simple and you only have to work in a single config program rather than
    haveing bit and pieces of the networking configuration scattered across a couple of different programs.
    ---

    Before the Web - telnet: furmenservices.net:23232
    Legends of Yesteryear (FIDO 1:123/256) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23322
    Sound Source ]|[ - telnet: furmenservices.net:2323
    Furmen's Folly (FIDO 1:123/257) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A44 2020/02/04 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Before the Web (21:4/102)
  • From Lupine Furmen@21:4/102 to Al on Thu Apr 2 18:02:31 2020
    I haven't found Synchronet's support channels lacking. There is a wiki at http://wiki.synchro.net that is a great resource for Synchronet and
    other info that can be applied to any BBS. It's always being updated to stay current.

    There are also 4 Synchronet areas on dove-net that are also on Fidonet. You can get answers quickly there for just about any Synchronet
    questions you might have. There are many there who answer questions to
    the best of their ability.

    Don't forget the SynchroBBS Discord server where you can find all kinds of
    live help.

    And Mystic has IRC chat rooms where you can get help as well.

    So there is no lacking of support for either package.
    ---

    Before the Web - telnet: furmenservices.net:23232
    Legends of Yesteryear (FIDO 1:123/256) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23322
    Sound Source ]|[ - telnet: furmenservices.net:2323
    Furmen's Folly (FIDO 1:123/257) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A44 2020/02/04 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Before the Web (21:4/102)
  • From echicken to Lupine Furmen on Thu Apr 2 19:15:57 2020
    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Lupine Furmen to Al on Thu Apr 02 2020 14:02:31

    Don't forget the SynchroBBS Discord server where you can find all kinds of live help.

    Where's that?

    And Mystic has IRC chat rooms where you can get help as well.

    So does Synchronet, and honestly it'd be great if we could just use that instead of scattering support across assorted chat platforms. Or maybe set up a gateway between Discord and IRC.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Lupine Furmen on Thu Apr 2 20:54:02 2020
    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Lupine Furmen to volker on Thu Apr 02 2020 01:56 pm

    packages, And Synchro was a BEAR to setup FTN networks and echoes. Mystic is simple and you only have to work in a single config program rather than haveing bit and pieces of the networking configuration scattered across a

    That would be nice; I wish there was a way to convert message areas from Synchronet to a format Mystic could ingest.

    I suppose QWK might work.
    --- SBBSecho 3.09-Win32
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org (21:4/122)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Lupine Furmen on Fri Apr 3 16:49:00 2020
    On 04-02-20 13:56, Lupine Furmen wrote to volker <=-

    been playing with both Synchronet and Mystic BBS. Both seem capable systems, and by reading the echoes I seem to thing that Mystic is
    slightly more popular around here than Synchronet... but the
    documentation is quite incomplete.

    If you are planning on adding any FIDO type networks then I would go
    with Mystic. It is FAR FAR FAR easier to configure than Synchro. I run both packages, And Synchro was a BEAR to setup FTN networks and echoes. Mystic is simple and you only have to work in a single config program rather than haveing bit and pieces of the networking configuration scattered across a couple of different programs.

    Synchronet isn't hard once you get used to it, and are able to get a routine happening around it. It just has a bit steeper learning curve. Mystic is very easy, as you say.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to echicken on Fri Apr 3 16:50:00 2020
    On 04-02-20 15:15, echicken wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-

    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Lupine Furmen to Al on Thu Apr 02 2020 14:02:31

    Don't forget the SynchroBBS Discord server where you can find all kinds of live help.

    Where's that?

    And Mystic has IRC chat rooms where you can get help as well.

    So does Synchronet, and honestly it'd be great if we could just use
    that instead of scattering support across assorted chat platforms. Or maybe set up a gateway between Discord and IRC.

    The latter would be an interesting approach, these days, Discord is more likely to get my attention than IRC, if I'm seeking support and no one's around at the time. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 3 16:51:00 2020
    On 04-02-20 16:54, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-

    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Lupine Furmen to volker on Thu Apr 02 2020 01:56 pm

    packages, And Synchro was a BEAR to setup FTN networks and echoes. Mystic is simple and you only have to work in a single config program rather than haveing bit and pieces of the networking configuration scattered across a

    That would be nice; I wish there was a way to convert message areas
    from Synchronet to a format Mystic could ingest.

    You might need to elaborate, because there are obvious answers on face value - QWK, FTN. :P

    But that sounds too simple, and I suspect there's more to your question.


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  • From echicken to Vk3jed on Fri Apr 3 03:43:53 2020
    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Vk3jed to echicken on Fri Apr 03 2020 12:50:00

    The latter would be an interesting approach, these days, Discord is more likely
    to get my attention than IRC, if I'm seeking support and no one's around at the

    Curious to know why that is. (I don't have anything against Discord in particular, just never got into it, and now it's looking like yet another chat client I'll have running.)

    Looks like somebody tried bridging the "SynchronetFans" Discord thing to Synchronet IRC about a year ago; seems like it didn't go smoothly? I don't remember it.

    These bridges often take the form of a bot piping traffic between networks. This gets kind of ugly; the actual nickname is part of the message text, etc. If we were to do this, I'd want to seek out (or make) a better way. (A pseudo IRC server acting as a bridge perhaps.)

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
  • From Lupine Furmen@21:4/102 to echicken on Fri Apr 3 04:02:26 2020
    Don't forget the SynchroBBS Discord server where you can find all kin live help.
    Where's that?

    https://discord.gg/UnrvuAQ
    ---

    Before the Web - telnet: furmenservices.net:23232
    Legends of Yesteryear (FIDO 1:123/256) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23322
    Sound Source ]|[ - telnet: furmenservices.net:2323
    Furmen's Folly (FIDO 1:123/257) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A44 2020/02/04 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Before the Web (21:4/102)
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Fri Apr 3 04:19:14 2020
    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 03 2020 12:51 pm

    You might need to elaborate, because there are obvious answers on face value - QWK, FTN. :P

    But that sounds too simple, and I suspect there's more to your question.

    Trying to duplicate my messages bases (currently in Synchronet's format) on a Mystic system. I've got years worth of messages, don't want to lose them.
    --- SBBSecho 3.09-Win32
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org (21:4/122)
  • From Al@21:4/106 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 3 04:40:26 2020
    Hello poindexter,

    But that sounds too simple, and I suspect there's more to your
    question.

    Trying to duplicate my messages bases (currently in Synchronet's
    format) on a Mystic system. I've got years worth of messages, don't
    want to lose them.

    I've done that before by setting up Mystic as a point and then rescanning from Synchronet or anywhere else. A fair bit of work but it can be done.

    Since you are a mail mover I have to say this. Mystic currently up to A45 wraps
    incoming messages to fit an 80 character wide terminal when it imports messages. This approach works well for Mystic. You'll have nice clean looking messages and replies all wrapped at 80 characters.

    Your connected links also get these messages changed in transit to fit an 80 character terminal. The issue is that not everyone is using an 80 character terminal and also see these wrapped up messages and some may not like it.

    In the current Mystic A46 g00r00 has done work to eliminate that changing of mail in transit but is truncating lines at 255 characters. Any text beyond that
    is lost. This rather unexpected but I'm sure it can be made to work.

    I am hopefull that can and will be fixed but for those reasons I would not use Mystic to move mail until that issue is resolved.

    That is not a slam on Mystic. I think Mystic is a very well done BBS and can be
    used by anyone in the networks problem free as long as they don't pass mail to
    other nodes.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to echicken on Fri Apr 3 23:08:00 2020
    On 04-02-20 23:43, echicken wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Vk3jed to echicken on Fri Apr 03 2020 12:50:00

    The latter would be an interesting approach, these days, Discord is more
    likely
    to get my attention than IRC, if I'm seeking support and no one's around
    at the

    Curious to know why that is. (I don't have anything against Discord in particular, just never got into it, and now it's looking like yet
    another chat client I'll have running.)

    Simple, Discord has audible notifications on the phone. If someone talks on it, I get a little "boing" sound. On IRC, I get nothing, if it's in the background, and my ADHD demands that attention grabber, more so these days, adapting to COVID-19 restrictions has pretty much wiped out my short term memory.

    Looks like somebody tried bridging the "SynchronetFans" Discord thing
    to Synchronet IRC about a year ago; seems like it didn't go smoothly? I don't remember it.

    These bridges often take the form of a bot piping traffic between networks. This gets kind of ugly; the actual nickname is part of the message text, etc. If we were to do this, I'd want to seek out (or
    make) a better way. (A pseudo IRC server acting as a

    Yes, making it look like a server to server link would be better.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 3 23:14:00 2020
    On 04-03-20 00:19, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Trying to duplicate my messages bases (currently in Synchronet's
    format) on a Mystic system. I've got years worth of messages, don't
    want to lose them. --- SBBSecho 3.09-Win32

    Ahh, OK. I don't know of any utility to directly convert between formats (SMB to JAM), but you could certainly try using QWK to import messages. You'd have to make each area QWK networked and also enable "Gate between network types" for any areas on non QWK networks. There may also be issues to do with age of messages to transfer. But something to play with.

    So I'd initially setup QWK networking only on the new BBS and make sure Synchronet can export all of the areas. Then transfer all mail using QWK. When finished, remove the QWK configuration and setup the final networking for everything.

    It will be an experiment. ;)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Al on Fri Apr 3 23:30:00 2020
    On 04-03-20 00:40, Al wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I am hopefull that can and will be fixed but for those reasons I would
    not use Mystic to move mail until that issue is resolved.

    I believe A46 is still a prealpha? So looks like g00r00 still have to iron out the kinks, and I'm sure he will in time.


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Vk3jed on Fri Apr 3 05:49:34 2020
    Hello Vk3jed,

    I believe A46 is still a prealpha? So looks like g00r00 still have to iron out the kinks, and I'm sure he will in time.

    Yep, at this point it is close to being done. If there is a will there is a way.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)
  • From HSM@21:2/162 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 3 09:55:09 2020
    On 02 Apr 2020, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    That would be nice; I wish there was a way to convert message areas from Synchronet to a format Mystic could ingest.

    I suppose QWK might work.

    QWK is the solution I uses for import/exporting usenet groups from Synchronet to Mystic. Having compatable message bases would be a lot easier but QWK
    does work.

    -=- HSM -=-
    -=ssh/http/telnet://thefreespeak.com=-

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/26 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: -=- TheFreeSpeak.com -=- Pittsburgh, PA -=- (21:2/162)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Lupine Furmen on Fri Apr 3 12:19:00 2020
    Lupine Furmen wrote to Al <=-

    There are also 4 Synchronet areas on dove-net that are also on Fidonet. You can get answers quickly there for just about any Synchronet
    questions you might have. There are many there who answer questions to
    the best of their ability.

    Don't forget the SynchroBBS Discord server where you can find all
    kinds of live help.

    Haven't heard about that, do you have an address/URL for that
    Discord server?

    And Mystic has IRC chat rooms where you can get help as well.

    The #synchronet channel on the Synchronet IRC network is one of
    the prime/preferred places to get nearly instantaneous help with
    Synchronet, directly from the author and main contributors.

    So there is no lacking of support for either package.

    Agreed!


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  • From echicken to Vk3jed on Fri Apr 3 16:15:20 2020
    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Vk3jed to echicken on Fri Apr 03 2020 19:08:00

    Simple, Discord has audible notifications on the phone. If someone talks on
    it, I get a little "boing" sound. On IRC, I get nothing, if it's in the background, and my ADHD demands that attention grabber, more so these days,

    I would say you haven't found the right IRC client then - but to be fair, I haven't really liked most of the mobile IRC clients I've tried, so I don't use one.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to HSM on Fri Apr 3 13:14:00 2020
    HSM wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    QWK is the solution I uses for import/exporting usenet groups from Synchronet to Mystic. Having compatable message bases would be a lot easier but QWK does work.

    I wonder how well it would work with 2,000,000 messages? :)




    ... Have you ever asked a question you weren't supposed to ask?
    --- MultiMail/XT v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org (21:4/122)
  • From ryan@21:1/168 to echicken on Fri Apr 3 15:24:54 2020
    I would say you haven't found the right IRC client then - but to be
    fair, I haven't really liked most of the mobile IRC clients I've tried,
    so I don't use one.

    I _highly_ recommend "The Lounge" - https://thelounge.chat

    It runs on a server, I just use my BBS VM. It keeps your IRC session alive
    and you login via a web browser on whichever device you want. I use it on my personal computer, work computer, iPad...it's pretty great. And the interface is as good or better than any standalone IRC program I've seen.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: monterey bbs (21:1/168)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Al on Sat Apr 4 12:13:00 2020
    On 04-03-20 01:49, Al wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hello Vk3jed,

    I believe A46 is still a prealpha? So looks like g00r00 still have to iron out the kinks, and I'm sure he will in time.

    Yep, at this point it is close to being done. If there is a will there
    is a way.

    Cool. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to echicken on Sat Apr 4 12:19:00 2020
    On 04-03-20 12:15, echicken wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Vk3jed to echicken on Fri Apr 03 2020 19:08:00

    Simple, Discord has audible notifications on the phone. If someone talks
    on
    it, I get a little "boing" sound. On IRC, I get nothing, if it's in the background, and my ADHD demands that attention grabber, more so these
    days,

    I would say you haven't found the right IRC client then - but to be
    fair, I haven't really liked most of the mobile IRC clients I've tried,
    so I don't use one.

    It's been the same on PC as well. :) I'm prone to forgetting things hidden in the background. Back in the day, IRC spent its time in the foreground, which did work well, but that's a lot less likely nowadays.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Sat Apr 4 13:18:00 2020
    On 04-03-20 11:24, ryan wrote to echicken <=-

    I _highly_ recommend "The Lounge" - https://thelounge.chat

    It runs on a server, I just use my BBS VM. It keeps your IRC session
    alive and you login via a web browser on whichever device you want. I
    use it on my personal computer, work computer, iPad...it's pretty
    great. And the interface is as good or better than any standalone IRC program I've seen.


    Sounds like a disaster for me, web based chats are usually the ones I forget about first! :/


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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Vk3jed on Sat Apr 4 05:01:28 2020
    Synchronet isn't hard once you get used to it, and are able to get a routine happening around it. It just has a bit steeper learning curve. Mystic is very easy, as you say.

    I actually found Synchronet not too difficult to setup the fido-based
    networks, primarily because I found the (relatively new) video that Digital
    Man posted on YouTube. Maybe he was channeling Avon, but it was a super
    helpful way to help new sysops given there are a few steps in SBBS that
    require different config programs, installing jsexec BinkIT, etc. But it's pretty well documented once you dive in.

    Seriously, if you are a BBS software author, setup videos are probably a
    really good way to increase usage :)

    Overall, I agree the learning curve for Synchronet is steeper than mystic, I think that's because there are so many services, as it was said here before. I think it's pretty powerful and awesome software with an amazing community.

    But I keep coming back to the simplicity and configurability of Mystic, particuarly around how g00r00 implements Menus and Prompts. So powrful.

    Synchronet's command shell/menu system is pretty complex to me, primarily because it's code-based (baja or javascript) BUT I think if you are willing
    to invest the time learning it's pretty powerful.

    Or, if you don't care about customization that much,SBBS is stellar.

    Also, let's not forget about Enigma 1/2 - if it had a configuration editor program, it'd be super accessible to more sysops. Docs are pretty good, but it's a lot of text files to edit :)

    .

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Alpha on Sat Apr 4 18:06:38 2020
    On 04 Apr 2020 at 01:01a, Alpha pondered and said...

    Also, let's not forget about Enigma 1/2 - if it had a configuration
    editor program, it'd be super accessible to more sysops. Docs are pretty good, but it's a lot of text files to edit :)

    Yep and also Magicka BBS too :) Both are well worth a look at as well.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Alpha on Sat Apr 4 16:33:00 2020
    On 04-04-20 01:01, Alpha wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Synchronet isn't hard once you get used to it, and are able to get a routine happening around it. It just has a bit steeper learning curve. Mystic is very easy, as you say.

    I actually found Synchronet not too difficult to setup the fido-based networks, primarily because I found the (relatively new) video that Digital Man posted on YouTube. Maybe he was channeling Avon, but it was
    a super helpful way to help new sysops given there are a few steps in
    SBBS that require different config programs, installing jsexec BinkIT, etc. But it's pretty well documented once you dive in.

    My first attempt (Fidonet itself) took a few goes, but after that, each one got easier, and I can generally get a new FTN up in my first attempt, and have it ready to accept mail as soon as I turn echos on from the feed via Areafix.

    I know some people like videos. I've just been talking about that to one of the offers from my fire brigade - I don't like videos for detailed instruction, because:

    1. Video delivers information at a fixed rate. But my rate of taking information is is highly variable and almost always radically different to the rate available from video.

    2. I sometimes need to be able to refer in detail to a particular part of the information, sometimes repeatedly or alternating between information checking and doing something - this is extremely difficult to do with video - the process actually consumes the working memory that I'm trying to refresh! Contrast that with written documentation, which can be left sitting in view as I work, taking much less effort.

    So for me, the Synchronet wiki is the gold mine that I get my information from.
    I've found it's really good, once I've found where the information I want is. :)

    Sure, videos have a place. For me, better for an overview, but for some others, more helpful, but don't neglect more traditional forms of documentation. :)

    Seriously, if you are a BBS software author, setup videos are probably
    a really good way to increase usage :)

    Provided they're backed up with good written documentation - text and pictures are best for some. :)

    Overall, I agree the learning curve for Synchronet is steeper than
    mystic, I think that's because there are so many services, as it was
    said here before. I think it's pretty powerful and awesome software
    with an amazing community.

    Synchronet is extremely powerful, which is probably why I particularly like it. :)

    But I keep coming back to the simplicity and configurability of Mystic, particuarly around how g00r00 implements Menus and Prompts. So powrful.

    Synchronet's command shell/menu system is pretty complex to me,
    primarily because it's code-based (baja or javascript) BUT I think if
    you are willing to invest the time learning it's pretty powerful.

    Any UI is a pain to setup for me, even Mystic's very simple setup. Me and UI configuration just don't get along, and I find Synchronet no more difficult as a result, just have to find a way of creating CTRL-A files that suits my setup - more a case of haven't done the research than any particular difficulty. I currently have a couple of hidden menu options - they work, just aren't shown on the screen. ;) All I know is that running PabloDraw on the BBS machine isn't the way to go for me. :)

    I do want to do some more research into Synchronet's menuing, because I want to see if I can add a menu for QWK nodes to be able to turn on and off the available QWK networks. The security side is already setup, I just need to code the menu interface, so my QWK downlinks can self serve, instead of relying on me to change the settings for them. :)

    Or, if you don't care about customization that much,SBBS is stellar.

    Also, let's not forget about Enigma 1/2 - if it had a configuration
    editor program, it'd be super accessible to more sysops. Docs are
    pretty good, but it's a lot of text files to edit :)

    I haven't looked at Enigma 1/2, but it sounds like a great package. :)


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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Vk3jed on Sat Apr 4 07:47:49 2020
    I know some people like videos. I've just been talking about that to
    one of the offers from my fire brigade - I don't like videos for
    detailed instruction, because:

    1. Video delivers information at a fixed rate. But my rate of taking information is is highly variable and almost always radically different
    to the rate available from video.

    2. I sometimes need to be able to refer in detail to a particular part
    of the information, sometimes repeatedly or alternating between information checking and doing something - this is extremely difficult
    to do with video - the process actually consumes the working memory that I'm trying to refresh! Contrast that with written documentation, which
    can be left sitting in view as I work, taking much less effort.

    Totally makes sense. Ultimately, good documentation makes all the
    difference--I agree, I'd prefer detailed and updated docs w/text and images primarily over video, but I do think my learning style really jives with video tutorials :)

    I was also thinking recently about how, as a community, we could support the creation of more tutorials to share some of the hard-won setup knowledge we have around our BBSs of choice. You know: setting up FTN networks. Customizing menus. Door gotchas. Maybe a github-based or Medium community that covers
    these common and core setup issues that are often hard to find, but in How-To formats vs wikis. Wikis are super useful for self-directed/searchable knowledge, but I think a doc-version of something Avon's vidoes could be cool. There's so many great tips in these forums that I think get lost in the threads.

    As an examaple, there's a great article on how to setup Mis using systemctl
    on unix systems (mis-start.sh, mis-stop.sh) that is pretty good, but every
    time I re-install Google search to find it.

    Anyway, I digress :)

    I do want to do some more research into Synchronet's menuing, because I want to see if I can add a menu for QWK nodes to be able to turn on and off the available QWK networks. The security side is already setup, I just need to code the menu interface, so my QWK downlinks can self
    serve, instead of relying on me to change the settings for them. :)

    Love to see more info on menu customization! For me, it's really the biggest barrier to adoption. I've downloaded some of the command shell menu mods
    for Synchronet and they kind of make my head spin how complicated they are.
    No knock on the software, I'm sure it's just because I need to spend more
    time figuring it out.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Alpha on Sat Apr 4 20:39:00 2020
    On 04-04-20 03:47, Alpha wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Totally makes sense. Ultimately, good documentation makes all the difference--I agree, I'd prefer detailed and updated docs w/text and images primarily over video, but I do think my learning style really
    jives with video tutorials :)

    My style isn't well suited to video, videos range from tedious to frustrating for me. :/

    I was also thinking recently about how, as a community, we could
    support the creation of more tutorials to share some of the hard-won
    setup knowledge we have around our BBSs of choice. You know: setting up FTN networks. Customizing menus. Door gotchas. Maybe a github-based or Medium community that covers these common and core setup issues that
    are often hard to find, but in How-To formats vs wikis. Wikis are super useful for self-directed/searchable knowledge, but I think a
    doc-version of something Avon's vidoes could be cool. There's so many great tips in these forums that I think get lost in the threads.

    Hmm, interesting idea. :)

    As an examaple, there's a great article on how to setup Mis using systemctl on unix systems (mis-start.sh, mis-stop.sh) that is pretty
    good, but every time I re-install Google search to find it.

    I'm usually like that with a lot of things. ;)

    Love to see more info on menu customization! For me, it's really the biggest barrier to adoption. I've downloaded some of the command shell menu mods for Synchronet and they kind of make my head spin how complicated they are. No knock on the software, I'm sure it's just
    because I need to spend more time figuring it out.

    That would help a lot of people I think. Actually, the Javascript isn't too daunting, it's the actual screens that I find more annoying. :/


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Vk3jed on Sat Apr 4 12:34:35 2020
    My style isn't well suited to video, videos range from tedious to frustrating for me. :/

    When I watch a youtube instructional video, I speed it up to be 1.5x the
    normal speed, and I find this is usually slow enough for me to understand yet fast enough for me to not get frustrated.

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to ryan on Sat Apr 4 22:44:16 2020
    ryan wrote (2020-04-04):

    My style isn't well suited to video, videos range from tedious to
    frustrating for me. :/

    When I watch a youtube instructional video, I speed it up to be 1.5x the normal speed, and I find this is usually slow enough for me to understand yet fast enough for me to not get frustrated.

    The first time I thought 1.5x is way to fast, but you get used to it very fast.
    If people speak slowly even 1.75x is fine.

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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to echicken on Mon Apr 6 08:46:49 2020
    On 03 Apr 2020 at 12:15p, echicken pondered and said...

    Re: Re: Mystic or Syncronet BBS
    By: Vk3jed to echicken on Fri Apr 03 2020 19:08:00

    Simple, Discord has audible notifications on the phone. If someone ta
    on
    it, I get a little "boing" sound. On IRC, I get nothing, if it's in t background, and my ADHD demands that attention grabber, more so these
    days,

    I would say you haven't found the right IRC client then - but to be
    fair, I haven't really liked most of the mobile IRC clients I've tried,
    so I don't use one.

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    irssi and scripts for everything i need. :P

    M@STERMiND

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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Avon on Mon Apr 6 06:39:55 2020
    Yep and also Magicka BBS too :) Both are well worth a look at as well.

    Yes! I've not played around with Magicka, but it's on my list during
    lock-down :) Seems like a pretty powerful and modern BBS system--and open source to boot!

    Also interested in apam's new experimental Ghost BBS as well. Love how clean
    it looks... Would def. consider that if it gets released :)

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Alpha on Mon Apr 6 20:39:07 2020
    Also interested in apam's new experimental Ghost BBS as well. Love
    how clean it looks... Would def. consider that if it gets released
    :)

    I probably wont end up releasing it, it's Windows only too, which might
    be a problem.

    It's not very configurable, the menus and strings are all hard coded,
    there's no scripting language etc.

    I did start (nearly finished) a configuration program, but all the
    config is done in text files anyway. (The configuration program just
    abstracts it away).

    I haven't done much else on it the last little while, been a bit off
    BBSing in general.

    Andrew

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Sun Apr 5 19:00:00 2020
    On 04-04-20 08:34, ryan wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    My style isn't well suited to video, videos range from tedious to frustrating for me. :/

    When I watch a youtube instructional video, I speed it up to be 1.5x
    the normal speed, and I find this is usually slow enough for me to understand yet fast enough for me to not get frustrated.

    My range of variation far exceeds that in both directions. :/


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  • From Bugz@21:4/110 to apam on Mon Apr 6 15:04:36 2020
    apam wrote to Alpha <=-

    Also interested in apam's new experimental Ghost BBS as well. Love
    how clean it looks... Would def. consider that if it gets released
    :)

    I probably wont end up releasing it, it's Windows only too, which might
    be a problem.

    Have you considered porting it to Qt? That would give you cross platform
    and still keep a UI.

    bugz

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    password in the terminal program.

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 7 00:51:16 2020
    Spectre wrote to volker <=-

    Go the whole hog and run some DOS software in VM's :)

    I would love to see FrontDoor answering a telnet port in a VM. :)

    I tried it and it works fairly well with Netserial under Windows. Joaquim started to port Frontdoor to Linux a couple of years ago when he was out with a
    bad back. He's a friend of mine and I'm constantly pestering him to resume the port... here's hoping
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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Bugz on Tue Apr 7 12:45:32 2020
    Have you considered porting it to Qt? That would give you cross
    platform and still keep a UI.

    I chose not to use QT because I'd be required to make it opensource (I
    can't afford the commercial license) Also, all the gui parts are in C#.

    I need to reset my pasword on happyland. I shouldn't have stored
    the password in the terminal program.

    Ok, will reset and send you a temp password.

    Andrew

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to apam on Tue Apr 7 11:48:01 2020
    apam wrote (2020-04-07):

    Have you considered porting it to Qt? That would give you cross
    platform and still keep a UI.

    I chose not to use QT because I'd be required to make it opensource (I can't afford the commercial license) Also, all the gui parts are in C#.

    Since 2009 (version 4.5) Qt is also under the LGPL 3. It only prevents static linking for closed source projects. If an application uses dynamic linking for the Qt libs, it could use any license including closed source and GPL-incompatible.

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Oli on Tue Apr 7 21:11:54 2020
    apam wrote (2020-04-07):

    Have you considered porting it to Qt? That would give you
    cross platform and still keep a UI.

    I chose not to use QT because I'd be required to make it
    opensource (I can't afford the commercial license) Also, all
    the gui parts are in C#.

    Since 2009 (version 4.5) Qt is also under the LGPL 3. It only
    prevents static linking for closed source projects. If an
    application uses dynamic linking for the Qt libs, it could use any
    license including closed source and GPL-incompatible.

    Ah ok. I thought it was GPL.

    Andrew

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Vk3jed on Fri Apr 3 17:58:28 2020
    Vk3jed wrote (2020-04-03):

    On 04-03-20 00:40, Al wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I am hopefull that can and will be fixed but for those reasons I
    would not use Mystic to move mail until that issue is resolved.

    I believe A46 is still a prealpha? So looks like g00r00 still have to
    iron out the kinks, and I'm sure he will in time.

    Hub 1, 2 and 4 are running A46, so 95% of the traffic is handled by some prealpha version.

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Al on Fri Apr 3 17:59:34 2020
    Al wrote (2020-04-03):

    Hello Vk3jed,

    I believe A46 is still a prealpha? So looks like g00r00 still have
    to iron out the kinks, and I'm sure he will in time.

    Yep, at this point it is close to being done. If there is a will there is
    a way.

    You have insider infos?

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Oli on Thu Apr 9 02:10:34 2020
    Hello Oli,

    Yep, at this point it is close to being done. If there is a will
    there is a way.

    You have insider infos?

    No, I don't. I don't think I have ever contacted g00r00 privately. My discussions with him have always been in the echoes. Mostly here in fsxNet but also in the Fido MYSTIC echo.

    I only know what we have all been testing, seeing and discussing. What g00r00 has planded or what he will bring to us we can only wait and see.

    I hope he will continue what he has started but he may also have some details to work out regarding the truncated lines. I was surprised by that and he may have been too.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Oli on Thu Apr 9 19:07:00 2020
    On 04-03-20 13:58, Oli wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hub 1, 2 and 4 are running A46, so 95% of the traffic is handled by
    some prealpha version.

    Fair enough. Good stress testing. ;)


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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to apam on Thu Apr 9 15:14:53 2020
    apam wrote (2020-04-07):

    I chose not to use QT because I'd be required to make it
    opensource (I can't afford the commercial license) Also, all
    the gui parts are in C#.

    Since 2009 (version 4.5) Qt is also under the LGPL 3. It only
    prevents static linking for closed source projects. If an
    application uses dynamic linking for the Qt libs, it could use any
    license including closed source and GPL-incompatible.

    Ah ok. I thought it was GPL.

    It seems The Qt Company doesn't mind to create new licensing problems:

    https://www.osnews.com/story/131646/new-qt-releases-possibly-restricted-to-paying-customers-for-12-months-kde-not-particularly-happy/

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to ryan on Sun Apr 5 19:25:00 2020
    When I watch a youtube instructional video, I speed it up to be 1.5x the normal speed, and I find this is usually slow enough for me to understand yet fast enough for me to not get frustrated.

    You must be running a tad faster than me, I'm normally at 1.25, and if they have a low slow drawl, I'll crank it up to 1.5... some people just sound too chipmunkish at that speed though.

    Spec


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  • From Ogg@21:2/154 to Tenser on Wed Apr 15 16:44:00 2020

    When was this? I don't think I got an email.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to tenser on Thu Apr 16 12:43:00 2020
    Hello tenser!

    ** 03.04.20 - 06:53, tenser wrote to Ogg:

    I haven't received the first email with the validation info following
    the SSH registration session yet.

    Hmm; it looks like the email was rejected due to Grex
    getting put onto a spam blacklist. I sent you email
    directly with your password and validated your account.

    Yes! Thank you. I popped in briefly to grex. Need more time to look
    around.

    --Ogg

    ../|ug

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  • From tenser@21:1/101 to Ogg on Fri Apr 17 07:45:35 2020
    On 16 Apr 2020 at 08:43a, Ogg pondered and said...

    Yes! Thank you. I popped in briefly to grex. Need more time to look around.

    Cool! Enjoy.

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