Maybe this is the way things go. Maybe free and unmoderated speech will always create a cesspool of communication. Maybe we should create subs specifically for people to go after one another and stop tolerating it in more "general" channels. Whatever the solution, fsxNet doesn't feel like<SNIP>
bloviating
fsxNet no longer has much of a sense of community, and the "signal" of interesting discussions is lost in the "noise" of people hating on one another for their philosophical differences of opinion.
Maybe we should create subs specifically for people to go after one another and stop tolerating it in more "general" channels.
Whatever the solution, fsxNet doesn't feel like the same network of a
year ago, and it's a shame, because I used to look forward to loggin
in each day and catching up with everyone in our little virtual
community.
I think being an election year in the USA and the expanding node base, another sub for politics would be a great idea, but it's not my call. Maybe we could take a survey, maybe it's not what they want or a
direction they want to see fsxnet going. Great intro discussion though.
I think having a political chat echo is a bad idea because it kind of legitimises the type of chat we've seen. Political discussions are ok as long as they are respectful. I think the key is to shut down
disrespectful chat by ignoring it.
please excuse my lack of quoting I'm on my phone at the hospital so
it's hard to compose a message.
I think having a political chat echo is a bad idea because it kind of legitimises the type of chat we've seen. Political discussions are ok as long as they are respectful. I think the key is to shut down
disrespectful chat by ignoring it.
I know I'm guilty of engaging when I should be ignoring. It's hard.
I've been spending my free time either coding, or writing/changing different scripts for the BBS. Lately, I would just put on Pink Floyd and code. :) I hope that before too much longer, I'll be able to make an announcement of what I've been working on. ;)
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Black Panther(RCS)
Castle Rock BBS
ryan wrote to All <=-
Perhaps at one time fsxNet was mostly an echo chamber of center/center-left/left types, and the back and forth vitriol was
kind of avoided by default. But now I generally skip reading mail
on fsxNet altogether, and it's because a certain group of people
has decided to respond to every single post they disagree with,
in a fashion that's intended to incite.
fsxNet no longer has much of a sense of community, and the
"signal" of interesting discussions is lost in the "noise" of
people hating on one another for their philosophical differences
of opinion.
Maybe this is the way things go. Maybe free and unmoderated
speech will always create a cesspool of communication. Maybe we
should create subs specifically for people to go after one
another and stop tolerating it in more "general" channels.
Whatever the solution, fsxNet doesn't feel like the same network
of a year ago, and it's a shame, because I used to look forward
to loggin in each day and catching up with everyone in our little
virtual community.
code. :) I hope that before too much longer, I'll be able to make an announcement of what I've been working on. ;)
Is your project just something specific to your BBS? Or is it something that other systems may be able to adopt?
On 04 May 2020, apam said the following...
please excuse my lack of quoting I'm on my phone at the
hospital so it's hard to compose a message.
I hope everything is alright on your end. I don't like hearing
anyone having to be in the hospital.
Not really. I'm fine, but our twins may not be.
Is that "certain group of people" the ones that may tend to lean
to the *right* of center a little (or a lot)? You're not saying
that they're not welcome here, are you? Was the network just fine
as long as it was all lefties?
But I feel compelled to share my thoughts.
In that time, I've sadly seen fsxNet trend from a fun/simple/experimental network into what feels like a worst-of-fidonet analogue, at least in
this sub. I'm not interested in censoring speech and I'm not interested
in throwing down the banhammer unnecessarily, it's just...sad.
avoided by default. But now I generally skip reading mail on fsxNet altogether, and it's because a certain group of people has decided to respond to every single post they disagree with, in a fashion that's intended to incite.
fsxNet no longer has much of a sense of community, and the "signal" of
Maybe this is the way things go. Maybe free and unmoderated speech will always create a cesspool of communication. Maybe we should create subs specifically for people to go after one another and stop tolerating it in more "general" channels. Whatever the solution, fsxNet doesn't feel like
more "general" channels. Whatever the solution, fsxNet doesn't feel like the same network of a year ago, and it's a shame, because I used to look forward to loggin in each day and catching up with everyone in our
little virtual community.
I think having a political chat echo is a bad idea because it kind of legitimises the type of chat we've seen. Political discussions are ok as long as they are respectful. I think the key is to shut down
disrespectful chat by ignoring it.
I think having a political chat echo is a bad idea because it kind of legitimises the type of chat we've seen. Political discussions are ok long as they are respectful. I think the key is to shut down disrespectful chat by ignoring it.
I would have to agree with you on that one. I don't get into political discussions. Period. My views are my own, and nobody will change my
mind, or am I going to try to change anyone else's.
That's also part of the reason I've been kinda quiet on here. First, I'm SO tired of the discussions of this virus, so I just skip any message
with that subject. Second, I won't get into the political debates.
I've been spending my free time either coding, or writing/changing different scripts for the BBS. Lately, I would just put on Pink Floyd
and code. :) I hope that before too much longer, I'll be able to make an announcement of what I've been working on. ;)
It really is, and I completely understand it. That's why I just skip over most of the messages lately. There have actually been times where I
needed to check which echo I was reading, because it was so much like fidonet...
Jesus fucking christ get a life.
I think being an election year in the USA and the expanding node base, another sub for politics would be a great idea, but it's not my call. Maybe we could take a survey, maybe it's not what they want or a
direction they want to see fsxnet going. Great intro discussion though.
On 05-03-20 21:56, The Godfather wrote to apam <=-
This brings me to your larger point that drew me into this discussion
-- We are all, in one way or another, struggling to deal with the
COVID19 crisis right now and when one looks around, more good has come
of it then bad. It's brought people closer together, such as more
people like me rediscovering my roots of BBS'ing and/or the various
acts of kindess, and ways communities are trying to connect with
distance such as bear hunts, heart hunts, for kids within a
neighborhood. Sine the beginning of COVID19, I have not thought of politics. I'm frankly disgusted with EITHER left or right politicians that utilize this crises for agendas, talking points, election hopes,
and more overall holding up dollars people drastically need to push political agendas.
Generalizing an entire group of suppporters of LEFT or RIGHT parties
with names designed to insult, pick fights, or or discredit ones
intellect or character, doesn't seem fitting for the present times we
live -- and it's "so" 2016.
ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-
Is that "certain group of people" the ones that may tend to lean
to the *right* of center a little (or a lot)? You're not saying
that they're not welcome here, are you? Was the network just fine
as long as it was all lefties?
Jesus fucking christ get a life.
Avon wrote to Black Panther <=-
Yeah I admit if there was an echo created so people could be told to
'take it to X echo' are all we really doing just creating a space for stuff we don't really want to condone in the first place? I tend to
think yes.
On 04 May 2020 at 11:16a, apam pondered and said...
I think having a political chat echo is a bad idea because it kind of legitimises the type of chat we've seen. Political discussions are ok long as they are respectful. I think the key is to shut down disrespectful chat by ignoring it.
You make some very good points.
I wonder too because there are more folks active in this network it becomes a space for people who are looking for such debate to gravitate to.
Though I enjoy a good political discussion, I agree that it might be best to create a new echo to specifically cater to this. Thats just my two
Can you just next over messages and think/scream/yell this to yourself instead of posting it. Not really interseted in reading stuff like this.
You snip 90% of my post, because you can't respond to the points I
made, and then let loose with the above.
I thought you guys prided yourselves on your "tolerance".
I'm also taking what everyone takes with a grain of salt these days.
Even in day-to-day interactions with strangers, nerves are more fried, stress levels are higher, and tempers are strained. I had a woman yell
at my dog recently while on a walk for coming to close to her dog. We
were on opposite sides of the street and I used it as a lesson for my daughter that people don't know what's going to happen, that scares
them, and people don't act like they normally do at other times.
ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-
I thought you guys prided yourselves on your "tolerance".
I'm not going to take the bait. I just wish fsxNet would return
to a state it was before people started poisoning the well.
Though I enjoy a good political discussion, I agree that it might be
best to create a new echo to specifically cater to this. Thats just my
two
Perhaps your over-sensitive-ness makes you think the well is
poisoned, when it actually is not.
Though I enjoy a good political discussion, I agree that it might be
best to create a new echo to specifically cater to this. Thats just my
two
I would like to see more political discussion forums. It's healthy to have heated debates even when they get ugly.
Though I enjoy a good political discussion, I agree that itmight be
best to create a new echo to specifically cater to this. Thatsjust my
two
I would like to see more political discussion forums. It's healthy
to have heated debates even when they get ugly.
While you're waiting for anything in FSX_NET,
POLITICS? See: Spooknet, Whispernet, Fidonet
DEBATE? See: Dovenet, Micronet, Fidonet.
Just to be clear also on the number of responses - have you
noticed your pal "Phoobar"? He probably posts more than the next
10 most active people combined, and nearly EVERY single post of
his contains "the Orange POS" or similar language. Do you give
him and that kind of behavior a pass? Would you require a
"righty" to not feel like they should respond to such baiting?
Though I enjoy a good political discussion, I agree that it might be to create a new echo to specifically cater to this. Thats just my two
They tend to be US based and pretty repetitive. You'll get over it soon enough, :) and be wishing for the alternate echo.
Spec
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I hope everything is alright on your end. I don't like hearing
anyone having to be in the hospital.
Not really. I'm fine, but our twins may not be.
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Re: Re: Reflection on 18 months of fsxNet
By: ryan to Gamgee on Mon May 04 2020 01:11 am
Jesus fucking christ get a life.
Can you just next over messages and think/scream/yell this to yourself instead of posting it. Not really interseted in reading stuff like this. ...δεσπ
On 04 May 2020, apam said the following...
I hope everything is alright on your end. I don't likehearing BP> anyone having to be in the hospital.
Not really. I'm fine, but our twins may not be.
Sending you good thoughts and vibes.
Yeah I admit if there was an echo created so people could be told to
'take it to X echo' are all we really doing just creating a space for stuff we don't really want to condone in the first place? I tend to
think yes.
Silence (not posting a reply to someone )is one option but perhaps it's not the most effective one at times. I guess (just thinking out loud) we
I'm tired too of virus news on the news I watch and listen to. It feels like there's nothing much else being covered these days. To be fair
though it's such a big global event with so much death and upheaval I
can understand why it is.. but yeah, still barks...
Re: Re: Reflection on 18 months of fsxNet
By: ryan to Gamgee on Mon May 04 2020 01:11 am
Jesus fucking christ get a life.
Can you just next over messages and think/scream/yell this to yourself instead of posting it. Not really interseted in reading stuff like this. ...δεσπ
Can you just next over messages and think/scream/yell this to yoursel instead of posting it. Not really interseted in reading stuff like th
With respect: no.
Re: Re: Reflection on 18 months of fsxNet
By: Spectre to Nazferiti on Mon May 04 2020 11:34 am
Though I enjoy a good political discussion, I agree that it might be best to create a new echo to specifically cater to this. Thats just m two
I would like to see more political discussion forums. It's healthy to have heated debates even when they get ugly.
HusTler
Havens BBS
Gotcha, Ryan.
Can we hug it out, fsx??
On 05-04-20 15:09, Al wrote to HusTler <=-
There are many places to discuss politics and/or debate.
I'm on the fence if we want them here in fsxNet.
On 05-04-20 19:27, Weatherman wrote to Gamgee <=-
Agreed, and he isn't the only one. I typically avoid political discussions online too, because it always turns into a pissing match
where no one changes their mind either way and is a waste of time.
On 05-05-20 13:16, mastermind wrote to ryan <=-
I'll recognize and admit, with a tiny explanation that this world
historic emergency has hit me and my family hard. My work changed - self-employed, told to just... STOP earning. My girlfriends family had
a COVID death... 43 years old and had a massive stroke. We thought it
was just a fluke stroke... and then the news about COVID & stroke in middle ages started coming up; followed by a positive test a day before
he passed...
Sometimes when I read something that is against how I feel, or what I think needs to be done, I just start mashing keys. (Lol, a nice and
quick way to lose IQ points too - no test needed!)
Quoting Avon to Ogg <=-
Personally I'm not overly positive towards the idea of a political
echo. I tend to agree with the sentiments expressed by Apam and Black Panther on that one.
Quoting Vk3jed to Weatherman <=-
to teach a pig to sing - it's a waste of time and annoys the pig.
I can live without it. US politics in particular seems to be
particularly divisive, and both sides are as bad as each other. We're better off without it, and if we're going to discourage the discussion
of US politics, then we'll have to cover all countries to be fair.
Al wrote to HusTler <=-
There are many places to discuss politics and/or debate.
I'm on the fence if we want them here in fsxNet.
Can we hug it out, fsx??
Fair enough. :)
Hello HusTler,
There are many places to discuss politics and/or debate.
I'm on the fence if we want them here in fsxNet.
and both sides are as bad as each other.
I find political discussions, particularly US politics are like trying to teach a pig to sing - it's a waste of time and annoys the pig.
I find political discussions, particularly US politics are like trying to teach a pig to sing - it's a waste of time and annoys the pig.
And that's from all sides of politics.
We have a "right" here in Canada also. Spewing things like "Wuhan virus"
in their writings. They are getting a strong backlash but they are unapoligetic.
Politics in any nation can get stinky.
Those discussions are here. Now. The time for debating whether or not we would like them here has passed.
Since the world has become so political, and since so many people seem
to want to slag it out endlessly on the internet anyway, why not have a boxing ring, err.. I mean.. echo, to do just that. Hell, I've been on Spacebook so long, and have deleted so many 'friends', I've got almost 5000 friends who agree with everything I have to say on the subject. :-)
On 05-05-20 11:57, Tiny wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Quoting Vk3jed to Weatherman <=-
to teach a pig to sing - it's a waste of time and annoys the pig.
I used to have a T-Shirt with that saying on it as a child.
Shawn
... Don't go to work, there's a lot to do.
On 05-05-20 12:35, Al wrote to Vk3jed <=-
We have a "right" here in Canada also. Spewing things like "Wuhan
virus" in their writings. They are getting a strong backlash but they
are unapoligetic.
Politics in any nation can get stinky.
On 05-06-20 12:33, mastermind wrote to Vk3jed <=-
and both sides are as bad as each other.
And this is the most true statement of all... problem is, both sides
think the other is just as... bad.
I try to remember this as I engage in the conversation; but its hard to do.
On 05-06-20 09:42, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I find political discussions, particularly US politics are like trying to teach a pig to sing - it's a waste of time and annoys the pig.
Sticking to the animal theme. Vote [1] for the Donkey. :P I find I do that more and more these days... :/ Thats got to say something about
our (Australian) political world.
On 05-05-20 20:57, Weatherman wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I find political discussions, particularly US politics are like trying to teach a pig to sing - it's a waste of time and annoys the pig.
And that's from all sides of politics.
Agreed - and good analogy. :)
Personally I'm not overly positive towards the idea of a political echo.
I tend to agree with the sentiments expressed by Apam and Black Panther
on that one.
POLITICS? See: Spooknet, Whispernet, Fidonet
DEBATE? See: Dovenet, Micronet, Fidonet.
Looks like there's plenty of othernets around that can accommodate those themes :)
Haha, well does anyone outside Australia know what a donkey vote is?
+1. Personally, I wish there was more technical content in these
networks and less political/current events. But that's just me.
+1. Personally, I wish there was more technical content
in these networks and less political/current events. But
that's just me.
I think there are enough outlets for discussions on politics. Just in Fidonet, there are at least 2, and that's not counting the Fidonews
echo. :)
It's probably not the most effective, but it's the easiest to implement. :) I'll do that during in-person conversations as well. Usually after a few minutes, someone will comment on how I'm not contributing. That's
when I'll comment that I won't get into a political discussion.
news, or read the news online. None of the news channels give you the actual news anymore, it's all what they feel you should think about the topic. Take me back to the days where the news consisted of giving
people the facts.
Agree, however if the majority want's it I simply won't read it. I
skip 90% of the threads currently in FSX_GEN as they are just politics
/ flame wars anyway. It's just like the old days, lotsa opnions and
everyone has a right to theirs. I keep political chat for idiotbook
where I can get under the skin of my RL friends. LOL
On 05-07-20 09:15, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haha, well does anyone outside Australia know what a donkey vote is?
I figured it wouldn't be peculiar to Oz, but I guess you never know.
On 05-07-20 03:15, tenser wrote to Avon <=-
+1. Personally, I wish there was more technical content
in these networks and less political/current events. But
that's just me.
On 05-07-20 09:36, Spectre wrote to tenser <=-
+1. Personally, I wish there was more technical content in these
networks and less political/current events. But that's just me.
I haven't seen a good OS/Who eats MS-SOD for breakfast discussion in years!
On 05-06-20 09:42, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Sticking to the animal theme. Vote [1] for the Donkey. :P I find Ido
that more and more these days... :/ Thats got to say something about
our (Australian) political world.
Haha, well does anyone outside Australia know what a donkey vote is? ;)
Vk3jed wrote to Spectre <=-
+1. Personally, I wish there was more technical content in these
networks and less political/current events. But that's just me.
I haven't seen a good OS/Who eats MS-SOD for breakfast discussion in years!
Haha the good old Messy-DOS. ;)
The duffus John Smith said to the geek Sam Uzi <=-
it is the ONLY true 32-bit multi-threaded pre-emptive multi-tasking OS around.
...except for every single OS around that was written for non-Intel
CPUs.
All the neat shit that people claim for the latest hottest Intel OSs
-- the stuff in your quote there -- is stuff that has always been
pretty much standard in the Motorola and Risc worlds.
I try to remember this as I engage in the conversation; but its hard do.
Sometimes it's better not to engage. ;)
Well, what does a "donkey vote" mean to a country that doesn't use a preferential (or proportional) voting system like we do?
On 05-07-20 04:38, Dean Galloway wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes, but I was born in Australia. Not really a factor here in the US as voting is a right so you can wave it if you want to.
On 05-07-20 07:00, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
sure, whatever... but OS/2 is THE BEST Operating System in the world,
and can run circles around anything else, and it looks nicer, and will cook your breakfast for you, and make your coffee, and has 3D-bordered icons, and is nifty, and looks cool, and is True-Blue, and can run DOS better than DOS, and will take out the garbage, and will get you
in these networks and less political/current events. ButOn 07 May 2020 at 03:15a, tenser pondered and said...
+1. Personally, I wish there was more technical content
in these networks and less political/current events. But
that's just me.
There can be, we just have to chose to post it I think. It sounds blindingly simple to say but I really thing that's the numb of it.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I used to love OS/2 back in the day. But good one anyway. :D
On 05-08-20 07:12, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I used to love OS/2 back in the day. But good one anyway. :D
Sam Uzi was one of my long-time callers in the dial-up days, and he
came out with gems like that all the time.
He claimed that he was the only person qualified to evaluate it because he'd never touched it, and so his judgement was unsullied.
+1. Personally, I wish there was more technical content
in these networks and less political/current events. But
that's just me.
Easily fixed, let's start posting technical stuff.
On 05-11-20 15:14, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-
On 07 May 2020 at 07:53p, Vk3jed pondered and said...
+1. Personally, I wish there was more technical content
in these networks and less political/current events. But
that's just me.
Easily fixed, let's start posting technical stuff.
Good man :)
A small request please change the subject when you do :)
nugax wrote to The Millionaire <=-
Yea, its not fun.
Have you been in the hospital before? If you have, how was your stayI havent done any inpatient since I was born. But at the current time I have been working in a hospital for the last 4 months.
there?
BY: The Millionaire(21:1/183)
I havent done any inpatient since I was born. But at the current time I have been working in a hospital for the last 4 months.
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What do you do as a job?Patient registration, customer service to make sure patients are on the right floor etc.
Have you been in the hospital before?
If you have, how was your stay there?
Yea, its not fun.
What isn't fun?
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