• T-Shirt update

    From Alpha@21:1/101 to All on Sun May 10 08:16:34 2020
    fsxNet shirts are CLOSE...

    - I'll post a link to the .eps vector file (or maybe we can hatch it?) when it's ready. Then you can use your local T-Shirt printing shop (if those still exist).

    - If you want to order online, I've set up a Shopify site (I have a $29.99/mo subscription for another side-business) using printful.com as a fulfillment vendor. At the link below (password protected!) you can check it out. I'd recommend NOT ordering until I've had a chance to inspect the
    quality--I ordered a test shirt today. I will continue to optimize.

    The products are listed at cost, there is no markup or profit involved.

    Breakdown ($USD):

    $12.95 - base shirt price (using mid-range quality, there are other options) $5.95 - front print
    $2.45 - outside back/top label print (tag line + fsxnet.nz url)
    ---------
    $21.50 base price, before shipping. US and EU shipping.

    Again, while the shop IS functional and you can place an order, I'd recommend waiting until I've had a chance to verify quality.

    LINKS!
    current TEST render at larger res (png):
    https://bit.ly/fsxnet

    store page:
    https://bit.ly/fsx-shop (contains pw token in URL)

    Also, Netmail me if you have any questions or layout ideas :)

    Note the posted .png sample res is too low to print, you'll need the
    .eps file if you want to do this properly. I'd like to secure permission from the artist before we release it, cool?

    I'll post some actual pictures of the product on the shopify site and my
    review of the quality once I have it.

    Was also thinking I could offer the Shopify site for other BBS-related merch
    if anyone wants to list things...

    Anyway -- cheers,

    Rock on fsxNet

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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Alpha on Sat May 9 15:55:02 2020
    On 10 May 2020, Alpha said the following...

    $12.95 - base shirt price (using mid-range quality, there are other options) $5.95 - front print
    $2.45 - outside back/top label print (tag line + fsxnet.nz url)
    ---------
    $21.50 base price, before shipping. US and EU shipping.

    That's not a bad price.

    store page:
    https://bit.ly/fsx-shop (contains pw token in URL)

    I think it looks good! :)

    Again, while the shop IS functional and you can place an order, I'd recommend waiting until I've had a chance to verify quality.

    Let me know, as I will order at least one of these, perhaps two. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Alpha on Sun May 10 00:09:15 2020
    The products are listed at cost, there is no markup or profit involved. $12.95 - base shirt price (using mid-range quality, there are other options) $5.95 - front print
    $2.45 - outside back/top label print (tag line + fsxnet.nz url)
    ---------
    $21.50 base price, before shipping. US and EU shipping.

    I like what I saw! Was about ready to ask about a hoodie...but saw you had
    one of those. Do you have an estimate for shipping to the US?

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

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  • From Sneaky@21:1/115 to Alpha on Sun May 10 15:40:00 2020
    Hi Alpha

    Again, while the shop IS functional and you can place an order, I'd recommend waiting until I've had a chance to verify quality.


    And me two, thanks

    how do we go shipping shirts to New Zealand pricing

    Thank you

    Ian S 2nd Choice Core Mystic Nz

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Sneaky on Sun May 10 18:34:05 2020
    And me two, thanks

    how do we go shipping shirts to New Zealand pricing

    Yeah I'm wondering that too but for Australia. If it can't be done
    perhaps those of us down here could get them printed locally? Just an
    idea..

    Andrew

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  • From calcmandan@21:1/137 to Alpha on Sun May 10 11:23:00 2020
    Alpha wrote to All <=-

    fsxNet shirts are CLOSE...

    It may be late in teh game, but that would look hella sick on a black tactical hat. If you can add a hat to the mix i'd definitely order one or two.

    Perfect for flying.

    Daniel Traechin

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  • From bamageek@21:1/140 to Alpha on Sun May 10 12:42:58 2020
    - If you want to order online, I've set up a Shopify site (I have a $29.99/mo subscription for another side-business) using printful.com as
    a fulfillment vendor. At the link below (password protected!) you can check it out. I'd recommend NOT ordering until I've had a chance to inspect the quality--I ordered a test shirt today. I will continue to optimize.

    T-Shirt looks really good!

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Alpha on Sun May 10 20:06:02 2020
    I think we should all chip in and send Avon a T-shirt for free.


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to calcmandan on Sun May 10 20:08:22 2020
    Alpha wrote to All <=-

    fsxNet shirts are CLOSE...

    It may be late in teh game, but that would look hella sick on a black tactical
    hat. If you can add a hat to the mix i'd definitely order one or two.

    Perfect for flying.

    What's a "tactical" hat?


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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Joacim Melin on Sun May 10 14:26:44 2020
    On 10 May 2020, Joacim Melin said the following...

    I think we should all chip in and send Avon a T-shirt for free.

    I agree. I'll chip in.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Joacim Melin on Mon May 11 07:39:00 2020
    What's a "tactical" hat?

    one that stops bullets? :)

    Spec


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  • From Sneaky@21:1/115 to apam on Mon May 11 12:40:00 2020
    Hi apam
    And me two, thanks

    how do we go shipping shirts to New Zealand pricing

    Yeah I'm wondering that too but for Australia. If it can't be done
    perhaps those of us down here could get them printed locally? Just an idea..

    yes a good idea, like buy the copy of the ansi and get same one to printed locally,
    or create a ansi to printed locally on shirt.

    Thank you
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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Phoobar on Sun May 10 03:20:09 2020
    I like what I saw! Was about ready to ask about a hoodie...but saw you
    had one of those. Do you have an estimate for shipping to the US?

    I just bought 2 items, shipping was $3.95 each....


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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Sneaky on Sun May 10 03:21:39 2020
    how do we go shipping shirts to New Zealand pricing

    Pretty sure the shop supports NZ shipping! If not, let's rectify that!


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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to apam on Sun May 10 03:23:56 2020
    how do we go shipping shirts to New Zealand pricing

    Yeah I'm wondering that too but for Australia. If it can't be done
    perhaps those of us down here could get them printed locally? Just an

    Pretty sure printful ships to NZ, they have global printing facilities... but if not -- maybe we find a local fulfillment company, I can send the EPS.


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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Joacim Melin on Sun May 10 14:33:30 2020
    I think we should all chip in and send Avon a T-shirt for free.

    Great idea :)


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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Sneaky on Sun May 10 18:54:37 2020
    how do we go shipping shirts to New Zealand pricing

    Yeah I'm wondering that too but for Australia. If it can't be done perhaps those of us down here could get them printed locally? Just an idea..

    yes a good idea, like buy the copy of the ansi and get same one to
    printed locally,
    or create a ansi to printed locally on shirt.

    Local printing would be a good option. I just confirmed the fulfillment
    vendor does ship to New Zealand and Australia, it's 12-14 day shipping
    time frame though - $6.99 USD shipping.


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  • From stizzed@21:4/156 to Black Panther on Sun May 10 17:20:10 2020
    On 10 May 2020, Joacim Melin said the following...

    I think we should all chip in and send Avon a T-shirt for free.

    I agree. I'll chip in.

    If we can make it easy (paypal perhaps) more may contribute. I'd be in.

    .\\ichael Batts
    a.k.a. stizzed (because, why not?)
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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Joacim Melin on Mon May 11 00:25:04 2020
    I think we should all chip in and send Avon a T-shirt for free.

    Anyway to do this thru PayPal? Will the shirts be sold with the PayPal option as well?

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Alpha on Mon May 11 00:32:31 2020
    had one of those. Do you have an estimate for shipping to the US?
    I just bought 2 items, shipping was $3.95 each....

    HOT DOG! I pay just as much in shipping for a book from a 3rd party
    bookseller on Amazon.

    Please let me know when they are ready.

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to Black Panther on Mon May 11 09:48:03 2020
    Hello Black Panther & Joacim!

    On 10 May 2020, Black Panther said the following...
    I think we should all chip in and send Avon a T-shirt for free.
    I agree. I'll chip in.

    I'm in, too! :)

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From calcmandan@21:1/137 to Joacim Melin on Mon May 11 10:37:00 2020
    Joacim Melin wrote to calcmandan <=-

    Alpha wrote to All <=-

    fsxNet shirts are CLOSE...

    It may be late in teh game, but that would look hella sick on a black tactical
    hat. If you can add a hat to the mix i'd definitely order one or two.

    Perfect for flying.

    What's a "tactical" hat?

    It's a style of ballcap.

    Daniel Traechin

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Alpha on Mon May 11 22:44:59 2020
    how do we go shipping shirts to New Zealand pricing

    Yeah I'm wondering that too but for Australia. If it can't be
    done perhaps those of us down here could get them printed
    locally? Just an

    Pretty sure printful ships to NZ, they have global printing
    facilities... but if not -- maybe we find a local fulfillment
    company, I can send the EPS.

    That's cool. Is it print on demand? or will we need to do an order
    together? I'm guessing print on demand.

    Andrew

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Spectre on Mon May 11 21:15:45 2020
    What's a "tactical" hat?

    one that stops bullets? :)

    Spec

    Sounds very military.

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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to Joacim Melin on Mon May 11 14:33:50 2020
    On 11 May 2020, Joacim Melin said the following...
    What's a "tactical" hat?
    one that stops bullets? :)
    Sounds very military.

    Maybe it's like a thinking cap. Not to be confused with a strategical bonnet, though.

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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Phoobar on Mon May 11 12:11:01 2020
    I think we should all chip in and send Avon a T-shirt for free.

    Anyway to do this thru PayPal? Will the shirts be sold with the PayPal option as well?

    I just did a Paypal based group fundraiser for a co-worker (in Ireland) and
    it worked like a charm. Very transparent and international from a currency perspective. If someone hasn't set that up yet, I can roll that up.

    I will also setup paypal at the store. I'm using my BBS email address so it's not setup but should only take a few mins...


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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to apam on Mon May 11 12:13:11 2020
    That's cool. Is it print on demand? or will we need to do an order together? I'm guessing print on demand.

    Yeah, it's Print on Demand. No bulk order requirement.


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Alpha on Mon May 11 23:23:00 2020
    I think we should all chip in and send Avon a T-shirt for free.

    Anyway to do this thru PayPal? Will the shirts be sold with the PayPal
    option as well?

    I just did a Paypal based group fundraiser for a co-worker (in
    Ireland) and
    it worked like a charm. Very transparent and international from a
    currency
    perspective. If someone hasn't set that up yet, I can roll that up.

    I will also setup paypal at the store. I'm using my BBS email address
    so it's
    not setup but should only take a few mins...

    Go for it.


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  • From Sneaky@21:1/115 to Alpha on Tue May 12 12:40:00 2020
    Alpha wrote to Sneaky <=-

    how do we go shipping shirts to New Zealand pricing

    Pretty sure the shop supports NZ shipping! If not, let's rectify that!

    Cool thank you for rectify that for use.

    Ian S 1st Choice Core Sbbs Nz

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  • From Sneaky@21:1/115 to Alpha on Tue May 12 12:46:00 2020
    Hi Alpha

    or create a ansi to printed locally on shirt.

    Local printing would be a good option. I just confirmed the fulfillment vendor does ship to New Zealand and Australia, it's 12-14 day shipping time frame though - $6.99 USD shipping.


    Cool thank you for this,as soon as you done the final setup in it, I go
    to shop and purchase unless you have finished it, I go to shop after this
    eply.

    Thank you

    Ian S 1st Choice Core Sbbs Nz

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Alpha on Mon May 11 22:57:42 2020
    I just did a Paypal based group fundraiser for a co-worker (in Ireland) and it worked like a charm. Very transparent and international from a currency perspective. If someone hasn't set that up yet, I can roll that up.

    HOT DOG!!!! I know I'm not the only one who is excited to hear this. Do this all the time with GOG.com & love how it just works.

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Joacim Melin on Tue May 12 00:27:44 2020
    I think we should all chip in and send Avon a T-shirt for free.

    Psst... Chip in and buy Avon an fsxNet shirt. But please don't tell Avon! :) https://bit.ly/shirtfund

    Would be awesome to raise enough money to buy the original ansi artist one as well :)

    Anyway to do this thru PayPal? Will the shirts be sold with the PayP
    option as well?


    Will have PayPal payment option up and running in the store tomorrow...

    Cheers,


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Jeff on Tue May 12 17:41:00 2020
    Maybe it's like a thinking cap. Not to be confused with a strategical bonnet, though.

    Is that a bonnet for a baby or a car (read hood if thats your lingo)

    Spec


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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to Spectre on Tue May 12 11:22:39 2020
    On 12 May 2020, Spectre said the following...
    Maybe it's like a thinking cap. Not to be confused with a strategical bonnet, though.
    Is that a bonnet for a baby or a car (read hood if thats your lingo)

    It's sort of like a baby bonnet but adult-size, big and frilly.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to Alpha on Tue May 12 15:13:26 2020
    On 10 May 2020, Alpha said the following...
    store page:
    https://bit.ly/fsx-shop (contains pw token in URL)

    Bought one, and also bringing this URL forward.

    Jeff.
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Alpha on Wed May 13 12:50:00 2020
    On 05-11-20 20:27, Alpha wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

    I think we should all chip in and send Avon a T-shirt for free.

    Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to contribute. Multiple events have conspired to effectively put my life on hold - And I suspect COVID-19 has been a factor in all of it (definitely is in all but 1).

    Firstly, the direct impact of the restrictions which hit 2 months ago today that effectively ended my track season, taking out all of my major meets. But this was the one I could live with for an extended period.

    Next, I've been waiting on some money, but it's now a case of it's in the pipeline, but nobody told me it was the Trans Siberian pipeline. :/

    Just before COVID hit, I was looking at the possibility of another part time job to replace the one that finished last Christmas. This job actually looked better, with a lot of variety from hands on gardening to education support. But of course, that's not a possibility now.

    And finally, to add insult to injury, I had to go in for a COVID-19 test last Thursday, because I had a couple of symptoms - sore throat, runny nose and a couple of other things. The results were due back in 1-3 days (going by the written information) or 3-5 days according to the nurse, but it's now 6 days. I did contact the clinic, but the holdup is in Melbourne, out of their control. :/ Now that's causing some serious logistical issues, because I'm in isolation until the results come.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Wed May 13 12:51:00 2020
    On 05-12-20 13:41, Spectre wrote to Jeff <=-

    Maybe it's like a thinking cap. Not to be confused with a strategical bonnet, though.

    Is that a bonnet for a baby or a car (read hood if thats your lingo)

    Given the context, I'd say the former. ;)


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  • From Jeff@21:1/180 to Vk3jed on Tue May 12 22:18:50 2020
    On 13 May 2020, Vk3jed said the following...
    Maybe it's like a thinking cap. Not to be confused with a strategical bonnet, though.
    Is that a bonnet for a baby or a car (read hood if thats your lingo)
    Given the context, I'd say the former. ;)

    Yeah, sort of. Here a bonnet is a big, frilly piece of headgear stereotypical of 19th-century pioneer women.

    Jeff.
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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Vk3jed on Wed May 13 02:25:00 2020
    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Wednesday 13.05.20 - 08:50, Vk3jed wrote to Alpha:

    Next, I've been waiting on some money, but it's now a case of it's in the pipeline, but nobody told me it was the Trans Siberian pipeline. :/

    Welcome to the club. I stopped using the propane reserves for heating at
    my shop over a month ago. It was 52deg F in the main shopping area and the counter today.

    My biz is considered non-essential so I am not permitted to allow normal public traffic. Instead, I decided to just shut off the overhead lights
    and lay low with just a handful of sales here and there and a curbside pickup.

    The electric bill has only garnished a modest $60 per month reduction from
    my last bill so far. But, I am still saddled with a minimum $80 per month minimum "delivery" charge whether I use electricity or not. :( I
    decided to turn off the hot water tank today.


    And finally, to add insult to injury, I had to go in for a COVID-19 test last Thursday, because I had a couple of symptoms - sore throat, runny
    nose and a couple of other things.

    Runny nose is not a covi19 thing, TTBOMK. But the cough (especially if it
    is a dry one) *is* a symptom. Hope you get GOOD news.


    The results were due back in 1-3 days (going by the written
    information) or 3-5 days according to the nurse, but it's now 6 days.

    They probably didn't do anything with your test samples until Friday, and then further tests probably waited until Monday. .: That's just 2 days sofar. But it should be day 3 in your country by the time I send this.


    Now that's causing some serious logistical issues, because I'm in
    isolation until the results come.

    Are you not allowed to go shopping for yourself? They do allow that for people here if they wear a mask and only have the mild symptoms. Who would
    be able to tell the difference anyway. However, some places have taken to scanning people for temperatures.

    I noticed one of these in junkmail today:

    ==[begin]==
    FROM: Mrs Madison Taylor <gianni.lagrasta@alice.it>
    Reply-To blakemchenrylawfirm@null.net
    Date Sun 6:34 pm
    Priority Normal

    " Dear Friend

    I have to let you know that i have bequeath (14,258,000 Dollars) to you for good work.
    I'm Mrs Madison Taylor, I'm under-going my final surgery on CANCER.
    I have little time left, this I know, so I have made this decision,...

    Kindly contact my attorney, only if you are sincere.
    Tell him that I have WILLED 14.258M to you by quoting my personal
    reference number BB/MMB/562/5018/Hwrk/217US/UK

    Barrister Blake McHenry
    Attorney at Law
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Wed May 13 18:35:00 2020
    On 05-12-20 22:25, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Welcome to the club. I stopped using the propane reserves for heating
    at my shop over a month ago. It was 52deg F in the main shopping area
    and the counter today.

    Brrrr, you need to be doing the pushup challenge I've started this week! In your case, just to keep warm. ;)

    My biz is considered non-essential so I am not permitted to allow
    normal public traffic. Instead, I decided to just shut off the
    overhead lights and lay low with just a handful of sales here and there and a curbside pickup.

    Ouch. :( Hope something more can happen eventually. What do you sell?

    The electric bill has only garnished a modest $60 per month reduction
    from my last bill so far. But, I am still saddled with a minimum $80
    per month minimum "delivery" charge whether I use electricity or not.
    :( I decided to turn off the hot water tank today.

    Bummer. :(

    And finally, to add insult to injury, I had to go in for a COVID-19 test last Thursday, because I had a couple of symptoms - sore throat, runny
    nose and a couple of other things.

    Runny nose is not a covi19 thing, TTBOMK. But the cough (especially if
    it is a dry one) *is* a symptom. Hope you get GOOD news.

    Symptoms vary, and I did have a couple of odd things last week. However, there's no active cases here, so if I did somehow get it, then the state has a problem with an unknown cluster. However, still no result. :(

    The results were due back in 1-3 days (going by the written
    information) or 3-5 days according to the nurse, but it's now 6 days.

    They probably didn't do anything with your test samples until Friday,
    and then further tests probably waited until Monday. .: That's just 2 days sofar. But it should be day 3 in your country by the time I send this.

    Today is day 6, passed the exact 6 days 3 hours ago, so technically into day 7.

    Now that's causing some serious logistical issues, because I'm in
    isolation until the results come.

    Are you not allowed to go shopping for yourself? They do allow that for people here if they wear a mask and only have the mild symptoms. Who
    would be able to tell the difference anyway. However, some places have taken to scanning people for temperatures.

    No, pending results means total isolation.

    I noticed one of these in junkmail today:

    Haha yeah, right. :P



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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Vk3jed on Wed May 13 12:04:44 2020
    On 05-11-20 20:27, Alpha wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

    I think we should all chip in and send Avon a T-shirt for free
    .

    Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to contribute. Multiple events
    have
    conspired to effectively put my life on hold - And I suspect COVID-19
    has been
    a factor in all of it (definitely is in all but 1).

    Firstly, the direct impact of the restrictions which hit 2 months ago
    today
    that effectively ended my track season, taking out all of my major
    meets. But
    this was the one I could live with for an extended period.

    Next, I've been waiting on some money, but it's now a case of it's in
    the
    pipeline, but nobody told me it was the Trans Siberian pipeline. :/

    Just before COVID hit, I was looking at the possibility of another
    part time
    job to replace the one that finished last Christmas. This job
    actually looked
    better, with a lot of variety from hands on gardening to education
    support.
    But of course, that's not a possibility now.

    And finally, to add insult to injury, I had to go in for a COVID-19
    test last
    Thursday, because I had a couple of symptoms - sore throat, runny nose
    and a
    couple of other things. The results were due back in 1-3 days (going
    by the
    written information) or 3-5 days according to the nurse, but it's now
    6 days.
    I did contact the clinic, but the holdup is in Melbourne, out of their control.
    :/ Now that's causing some serious logistical issues, because I'm in isolation
    until the results come.

    That sucks. All of it.

    I understand this is not the time for everyone to chip in, and there is no shame upon those who can't. It's difficult times to say the least.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Joacim Melin on Wed May 13 21:20:00 2020
    On 05-13-20 08:04, Joacim Melin wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    That sucks. All of it.

    I understand this is not the time for everyone to chip in, and there is
    no shame upon those who can't. It's difficult times to say the least.

    Yeah, once this logjam clears, things will be cruisy. But that's taking forever.


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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Vk3jed on Tue May 12 21:22:46 2020
    Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to contribute. Multiple events have conspired to effectively put my life on hold - And I suspect COVID-19
    has been a factor in all of it (definitely is in all but 1).

    I'm so sorry. No worries whatsoever. Please take care.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Alpha on Thu May 14 15:49:00 2020
    On 05-12-20 17:22, Alpha wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to contribute. Multiple events have conspired to effectively put my life on hold - And I suspect COVID-19
    has been a factor in all of it (definitely is in all but 1).

    I'm so sorry. No worries whatsoever. Please take care.

    Well, the logjam is finally clearing, with a negative result on my COVID-19 test, and track training to resume this afternoon (can't wait to get back with the club!). :) But there's still a number of other issues to factor in, the changes have exacerbated my ADHD issues, so taking on a largeish net like SportsNet isn't a good idea.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thu May 14 01:19:38 2020
    Well, the logjam is finally clearing, with a negative result on my COVID-19 test, and track training to resume this afternoon (can't wait
    to get back with the club!). :) But there's still a number of other

    HOT DOG!!! Now it's time to blame the cough/sneezing on allergies & waiting
    for winter time when you countdown the days until it happens again in the Springtime. ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Fri May 15 00:42:00 2020
    On 05-13-20 21:19, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    HOT DOG!!! Now it's time to blame the cough/sneezing on allergies & waiting for winter time when you countdown the days until it happens
    again in the Springtime. ;)

    I'm not prone to allergies, but I might get middle distance cough on the weekend, when I run a 1km virtual race. ;)


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Vk3jed on Thu May 14 14:17:00 2020
    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Wednesday 13.05.20 - 14:35, Vk3jed wrote to Ogg:

    Welcome to the club. I stopped using the propane reserves for heating
    at my shop over a month ago. It was 52deg F in the main shopping area
    and the counter today.

    Brrrr, you need to be doing the pushup challenge I've started this week!
    In your case, just to keep warm. ;)

    I wear layers and a light-weight fall coat and a cap when I'm there.

    Today, I should be able to open the door and let the warm air inside!


    My biz is considered non-essential so I am not permitted to allow
    normal public traffic. Instead, I decided to just shut off the
    overhead lights and lay low with just a handful of sales here and there
    and a curbside pickup.

    Ouch. :( Hope something more can happen eventually. What do you sell?

    https://ashlies.ca

    There is more info and pics that Google provides in the sidebar via my MyBusiness listing when you search for ashlies bancroft ontario. If you can't see that, I'll see if I a tiny url link will work.


    The electric bill has only garnished a modest $60 per month reduction
    from my last bill so far. But, I am still saddled with a minimum $80
    per month minimum "delivery" charge whether I use electricity or not.
    :( I decided to turn off the hot water tank today.

    Bummer. :(

    That is to say the least. If I could, I would put a "stop" on the phone services as well. That's an ongoing $80+ basic connection fee every
    month.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thu May 14 11:40:53 2020
    HOT DOG!!! Now it's time to blame the cough/sneezing on allergies & waiting for winter time when you countdown the days until it happens again in the Springtime. ;)
    I'm not prone to allergies, but I might get middle distance cough on the weekend, when I run a 1km virtual race. ;)

    You are extremely lucky! My former cat & I had the allergies at the same
    time. Either of us started up...the other would start.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Fri May 15 13:13:00 2020
    On 05-14-20 10:17, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I wear layers and a light-weight fall coat and a cap when I'm there.

    That works. I rarely have to wear many layers. Provided I'm generally active, I cope with the cold fairly well. :)

    Today, I should be able to open the door and let the warm air inside!

    Nice. :)

    Ouch. :( Hope something more can happen eventually. What do you sell?

    https://ashlies.ca

    Books - cool! :)

    There is more info and pics that Google provides in the sidebar via my MyBusiness listing when you search for ashlies bancroft ontario. If
    you can't see that, I'll see if I a tiny url link will work.


    The electric bill has only garnished a modest $60 per month reduction
    from my last bill so far. But, I am still saddled with a minimum $80
    per month minimum "delivery" charge whether I use electricity or not.
    :( I decided to turn off the hot water tank today.

    Bummer. :(

    That is to say the least. If I could, I would put a "stop" on the
    phone services as well. That's an ongoing $80+ basic connection fee
    every month.

    That sounds a bit steep for phone. For that cost, you's probably get a half decent bundle here. :/

    That's not far short of my $99/month for unlimited Internet at 100/40M from a premuim provider plus the $5/month for landline (actually VoIP) with 18c untimed national calls and some freebies thrown in.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Fri May 15 13:18:00 2020
    On 05-14-20 07:40, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    HOT DOG!!! Now it's time to blame the cough/sneezing on allergies & waiting for winter time when you countdown the days until it happens again in the Springtime. ;)
    I'm not prone to allergies, but I might get middle distance cough on the weekend, when I run a 1km virtual race. ;)

    You are extremely lucky! My former cat & I had the allergies at the
    same time. Either of us started up...the other would start.

    Oh dear! :D

    Synchronised Sneezing - a new Olympic sport? ;)


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Vk3jed on Fri May 15 01:14:00 2020
    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Friday 15.05.20 - 09:13, Vk3jed wrote to Ogg:

    That is to say the least. If I could, I would put a "stop" on the
    phone services as well. That's an ongoing $80+ basic connection fee
    every month.

    That sounds a bit steep for phone. For that cost, you's probably get a half decent bundle here. :/

    $80 is the basic price for a live landline for business/commercial
    addresses. There is only one phone company in Canada that "owns" the
    lines and installation services. There is no additional charge for local calls.

    However, I can choose any other company for the Long-Distance services and DSL internet - which I do. DSL Internet is pre-paid for a year in advance and that is coming up next month again! :( Long-Distance is pay as you
    go at under 3 cents per minute in North America. With people using their mobile phones now, MANY of those destinations are considered long-
    distance. :( But it's usually just a short call to let them know a
    Special Order has arrived.


    That's not far short of my $99/month for unlimited Internet at 100/40M
    from a premuim provider plus the $5/month for landline (actually VoIP)
    with 18c untimed national calls and some freebies thrown in.

    Unlimited 100/40M is incredible. I only get 5/.6M for about $35/mo or
    about $420 for the year at the shop. I could probably kill the POTS landline service and go VoIP. But I really hate the quality of VoIP that
    I encounter when people with VoIP call *me*. There is almost always a perceived delay lag in the call. Sometimes I can hear my own voice in the background. It's just terrible.

    Futhermore, I like the idea that if the electriciy goes out, I can still complete a debit/creditcard sale (using a UPS) or make a normal phone call
    if there is an emergency.

    I suppose that $99/mo serves you well for streaming video in the package
    too?

    Me.. I don't need streaming at the shop. I just pull the videos I want in
    a background process at the shop and take the files home to watch later.








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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Fri May 15 16:30:00 2020
    On 05-14-20 21:14, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    $80 is the basic price for a live landline for business/commercial addresses. There is only one phone company in Canada that "owns" the lines and installation services. There is no additional charge for
    local calls.

    Ouch, even business line rental wasn't that much here.

    However, I can choose any other company for the Long-Distance services
    and DSL internet - which I do. DSL Internet is pre-paid for a year in advance and that is coming up next month again! :( Long-Distance is
    pay as you go at under 3 cents per minute in North America. With
    people using their mobile phones now, MANY of those destinations are considered long- distance. :( But it's usually just a short call to
    let them know a Special Order has arrived.

    That's not bad. :)

    Unlimited 100/40M is incredible. I only get 5/.6M for about $35/mo or about $420 for the year at the shop. I could probably kill the POTS landline service and go VoIP. But I really hate the quality of VoIP
    that I encounter when people with VoIP call *me*. There is almost
    always a perceived delay lag in the call. Sometimes I can hear my own voice in the background. It's just terrible.

    Our VoIP isn't bad 99% of the time. It feels like an ordinary phone. Besides, it's that or mobile. Can't get POTS here, since the NBN came to town.

    Futhermore, I like the idea that if the electriciy goes out, I can
    still complete a debit/creditcard sale (using a UPS) or make a normal phone call if there is an emergency.

    Those services are now handled by mobile these days here.

    I suppose that $99/mo serves you well for streaming video in the
    package too?

    If I wanted to - mainly YouTube, but catch up services from TV stations and Netflix work well too.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Fri May 15 00:18:37 2020
    You are extremely lucky! My former cat & I had the allergies at the same time. Either of us started up...the other would start.
    Oh dear! :D
    Synchronised Sneezing - a new Olympic sport? ;)

    Nope...more like a very bad opera/musical.

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  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to Ogg on Fri May 15 11:57:14 2020
    Quoting Ogg to Vk3jed <=-

    Unlimited 100/40M is incredible. I only get 5/.6M for about $35/mo or about $420 for the year at the shop. I could probably kill the POTS landline service and go VoIP. But I really hate the quality of VoIP
    that I encounter when people with VoIP call *me*. There is almost
    always a perceived delay lag in the call. Sometimes I can hear my own voice in the background. It's just terrible.

    When I still had my shop I always kept POTS for that reason. I figure
    if you are trying to call me to give me money for a service the least
    I can do is hear you. LOL

    Shawn

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Fri May 15 22:57:00 2020
    On 05-14-20 20:18, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    You are extremely lucky! My former cat & I had the allergies at the same time. Either of us started up...the other would start.
    Oh dear! :D
    Synchronised Sneezing - a new Olympic sport? ;)

    Nope...more like a very bad opera/musical.

    Hahaha. :D


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Phoobar on Fri May 15 23:17:00 2020
    Oh dear! :D Synchronised Sneezing - a new Olympic sport? ;)

    Nope...more like a very bad opera/musical.

    Depends on how many tunes you can play on yer hooter. :)

    Spec

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Vk3jed on Fri May 15 13:08:00 2020
    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Friday 15.05.20 - 12:30, Vk3jed wrote to Ogg:

    Futhermore, I like the idea that if the electriciy goes out, I can
    still complete a debit/creditcard sale (using a UPS) or make a
    normal phone call if there is an emergency.

    Those services are now handled by mobile these days here.


    The debit/cc devices are generally connected to the LAN and use the
    internet to connect to the payment service provider. But sometimes when
    the electricity goes out, so does the internet. Even the nearby cell
    towers could be affected. A mobile alternative would not help in that
    case. But the debit/cc devices can also include a wire to the POTS.

    During an outtage, I've had situations when customers can't use their
    phones anywhere, and my neighbor retailers can't process a sale. But my system keeps chugging along using UPSes to power the computers and LAN equipment as the debit/cc device automatically switches to completing a
    sale using the POTS backup.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Spectre on Sat May 16 00:53:58 2020
    Oh dear! :D Synchronised Sneezing - a new Olympic sport? ;)
    Nope...more like a very bad opera/musical.
    Depends on how many tunes you can play on yer hooter. :)

    Well...both of us play a great air bass...which means I get better with age.
    ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Sat May 16 13:34:00 2020
    On 05-15-20 09:08, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Friday 15.05.20 - 12:30, Vk3jed wrote to Ogg:

    Futhermore, I like the idea that if the electriciy goes out, I can
    still complete a debit/creditcard sale (using a UPS) or make a
    normal phone call if there is an emergency.

    Those services are now handled by mobile these days here.


    The debit/cc devices are generally connected to the LAN and use the internet to connect to the payment service provider. But sometimes
    when the electricity goes out, so does the internet. Even the nearby
    cell towers could be affected. A mobile alternative would not help in
    that case. But the debit/cc devices can also include a wire to the
    POTS.

    Handheld devices using 3/4G are popular in stores over here, usually smaller businesses. The larger stores do have hardwired EFTPOS machines though.

    During an outtage, I've had situations when customers can't use their phones anywhere, and my neighbor retailers can't process a sale. But
    my system keeps chugging along using UPSes to power the computers and
    LAN equipment as the debit/cc device automatically switches to
    completing a sale using the POTS backup.

    That is nice, but try finding a POTS line here. ;)

    Last one I saw was buried in a pile of rocking horse shit. :D


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Vk3jed on Sat May 16 17:29:00 2020
    Hello Vk3jed!

    ** On Friday 15.05.20 - 09:13, Vk3jed wrote to Ogg:

    Ouch. :( Hope something more can happen eventually. What do you sell?

    https://ashlies.ca

    Books - cool! :)

    Not "just" books: +maps, +cards, +local art

    This link, https://tinyurl.com/ybya37dj ..should produce a google result that provides a link to some photos.

    Also,

    https://libro.fm/ashlies - available to anyone.

    https://anycard.ca/store/ashlies - suitable for anyone who wants to
    shop locally.


    BTW, Libro.fm (unlike the Audible, or Amazon's version) is completely DRM- free and the files are available as direct .mp3 files that are yours to
    keep. I store mine on a USB stick and I play them through my TV. You can
    also suspend the membership to avoid the auto-monthly credit charge and
    you can reinstate at any time.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Ogg on Sun May 17 18:22:00 2020
    On 05-16-20 13:29, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Books - cool! :)

    Not "just" books: +maps, +cards, +local art

    Even better! :)

    This link, https://tinyurl.com/ybya37dj ..should produce a google
    result that provides a link to some photos.

    Also,

    https://libro.fm/ashlies - available to anyone.

    https://anycard.ca/store/ashlies - suitable for anyone who wants to shop locally.

    That's not likely to happen. ;)

    BTW, Libro.fm (unlike the Audible, or Amazon's version) is completely
    DRM- free and the files are available as direct .mp3 files that are
    yours to keep. I store mine on a USB stick and I play them through my
    TV. You can also suspend the membership to avoid the auto-monthly
    credit charge and you can reinstate at any time.

    That sounds like a good deal, if audiobooks are your thing. DRM free is a definite winner! :)


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Vk3jed on Sun May 17 13:52:13 2020
    That sounds like a good deal, if audiobooks are your thing. DRM free is
    a definite winner! :)

    I discovered that I could "borrow" audiobooks from my local library on their website. I'd have to use a program called OverDrive to download and play
    them.

    Just like a regular library item, you had a time limit and it would automatically "return" the item in two weeks. You could go on and extend it
    if no one else had a hold on it. (Even though it's digital, they can only "lend" out a certain number of them at a time... licensing is weird)

    One day I got curious and went into the OverDrive downloads directory and
    sure enough, it was just a folder containing the MP3s of the audiobook. I fired up another music player and it worked. Copied them to my phone and hit play, and it worked. DRM free audiobooks from my local library.

    Since then, I just "borrow" a book, copy the MP3s elsewhere and immediately return the book so the next person won't have to wait two weeks for me to finish with it.

    .J.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Warpslide on Sun May 17 15:17:00 2020
    Hello Warpslide!

    ** On Sunday 17.05.20 - 09:52, Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed:

    I discovered that I could "borrow" audiobooks from my local library on their website. I'd have to use a program called OverDrive to download and play them.

    Just like a regular library item, you had a time limit and it would automatically "return" the item in two weeks. You could go on and extend it if no one else had a hold on it. (Even though it's digital, they can only "lend" out a certain number of them at a time... licensing is weird)

    Libraries actually "buy" the privilege of loaning a specific number of digital copies at comparable prices to the actual physical books. Of
    course, the justification and selling point is that the loaning process is auomated and physical space and human intervention is not required. Publishers can be so greedy.

    Technically, a library wouldn't need all the library staff that most small-town libraries operate with. My library for instance has
    significantly reduced its hours of operation to only 3 or 4 days a week
    and only 4 or 6 hrs most days. Children's programs are reduced, or cut.
    The town has reduced its budgeting for the library and can't afford to pay for the "necessary" staffing. But, a digital library stocking both audio
    and ebooks could operate 24/7 without humans and without a majority of physical books.


    One day I got curious and went into the OverDrive downloads directory and sure enough, it was just a folder containing the MP3s of the audiobook. I fired up another music player and it worked. Copied them to my phone and hit play, and it worked. DRM free audiobooks from my local library.

    Now that is a nice find!


    Since then, I just "borrow" a book, copy the MP3s elsewhere and
    immediately return the book so the next person won't have to wait two
    weeks for me to finish with it.

    Ah.. so although the chekout process kept track of your loan, you were
    able to listen (and "own" for repeated listens and an extended period) without impunity? Sounds like someone misconfigured the tracking system. Milk it for as long as you can. However, some audio material is copywrite free; maybe you are getting those?

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Ogg on Sun May 17 16:36:39 2020
    Ah.. so although the chekout process kept track of your loan, you were able to listen (and "own" for repeated listens and an extended period) without impunity? Sounds like someone misconfigured the tracking
    system. Milk it for as long as you can. However, some audio material is copywrite free; maybe you are getting those?

    Yup, once I copied the MP3s elsewhere, they could be used however & whenever
    I wanted.

    Some of the books are definitely copy-written, such as Ready Player One,
    Daemon & Freedom. I recommend all three of those if you're into sci-fi &
    tech.

    .J.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Warpslide on Mon May 18 23:11:00 2020
    On 05-17-20 09:52, Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    That sounds like a good deal, if audiobooks are your thing. DRM free is
    a definite winner! :)

    I discovered that I could "borrow" audiobooks from my local library on their website. I'd have to use a program called OverDrive to download
    and play them.

    Ahh, OK.

    Just like a regular library item, you had a time limit and it would automatically "return" the item in two weeks. You could go on and
    extend it if no one else had a hold on it. (Even though it's digital, they can only "lend" out a certain number of them at a time...
    licensing is weird)

    One thing DRM is good for is borrowing of files, but that's an argument for another time.

    One day I got curious and went into the OverDrive downloads directory
    and sure enough, it was just a folder containing the MP3s of the audiobook. I fired up another music player and it worked. Copied them
    to my phone and hit play, and it worked. DRM free audiobooks from my local library.

    Hahaha that's interesting! :D Talk about a big security hole. :)

    Since then, I just "borrow" a book, copy the MP3s elsewhere and immediately return the book so the next person won't have to wait two weeks for me to finish with it.

    Hehe cool! :D


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Mon May 18 08:50:00 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to Warpslide <=-

    I discovered that I could "borrow" audiobooks from my local library on their website. I'd have to use a program called OverDrive to download
    and play them.

    Ahh, OK.

    I read a story about libraries and DRM - it seems like one of the publishers licensing schemes required their e-books to be "repurchased" after something like 17 checkouts.

    The publisher had come up with a scheme where you'd have to replace the e- book as you would a physical book due to wear and tear.

    Librarians were up in arms, saying they could keep a book going for hundreds of checkouts before giving up on it. As someone who worked in a library through high school, I can attest.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 20 20:40:00 2020
    On 05-18-20 04:50, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I read a story about libraries and DRM - it seems like one of the publishers licensing schemes required their e-books to be "repurchased" after something like 17 checkouts.

    That's ludicrous. A physical book would still be in "near new" condition, even at a school after 17 loans.

    The publisher had come up with a scheme where you'd have to replace the
    e- book as you would a physical book due to wear and tear.

    They should be taken to whatever relevant consumer affairs body for that.

    Librarians were up in arms, saying they could keep a book going for hundreds of checkouts before giving up on it. As someone who worked in
    a library through high school, I can attest.

    I once worked in a library at a primary school, and even the popular books held up pretty well. And there were many books that became too dated, before they wore out.


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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Vk3jed on Wed May 20 12:07:53 2020

    Just saw this .... My wife visits the Library frequently. When COVID19 hit, they went to this online book check out. Whatever service is being used is limiting the Libraries to a specific number of checkouts at a time (whatever the library can afford). In our libraries case, thats 5. So .. she gets
    put on a waiting list for up to 2 weeks, and is then able to read the book on her tablet. Sounds about like the library experience. But had no clue they were charging more after a specific number of checkouts. I hope ours opens
    up again soon so that service goes away.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to The Godfather on Thu May 21 02:26:00 2020
    On 05-20-20 08:07, The Godfather wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    Just saw this .... My wife visits the Library frequently. When COVID19 hit, they went to this online book check out. Whatever service is
    being used is limiting the Libraries to a specific number of checkouts
    at a time (whatever the library can afford). In our libraries case,
    thats 5. So .. she gets put on a waiting list for up to 2 weeks, and
    is then able to read the book on her tablet. Sounds about like the library experience. But had no clue they were charging more after a specific number of checkouts. I hope ours opens up again soon so that service goes away.

    Hmm, seems the digital book creaters are following in the footsteps of the movie industry... greed. :/


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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Vk3jed on Wed May 20 13:17:03 2020


    Yup, and to date it's only impacting the libraries as our library has not raised their rates but likely will. I'd prefer to just walk in and browse. I've never been fond of online books. But then again, I still prefer to buy
    a CD over downloading music, as any compression I'll likely here on my speakers. That, and there's something about learning to LIKE songs of an artist, rather then just downloading their hits. I also still like buying Bluray discs. Same reason -- no buffering, no limits on dolby digital, you
    get all the extras, and it's a collection. But I only buy Marvel, DC, Spy,
    and War movies these days. So I hope everything doesn't go 100% cloud as the steaming services are either limited in technology comparatively to the a/v equipments potential, or try to offer it but the majority of home owners do
    not have the speed to stream that kind of data without picture/sound quality. As for books, I'd rather buy it new, and enjoy the smell of a book, and the comfort of holding it over a tablet.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to The Godfather on Wed May 20 19:55:38 2020
    experience. But had no clue they were charging more after a specific number of checkouts. I hope ours opens up again soon so that service
    goes away.

    Our local one has been closed since mid-March. Got a notice from them that
    even though Phase 1 is starting...they will stay closed because they can't
    get the cleaning supplies they ordered back in March.

    Made me sad that I had no place to go where I could kick back & veg out away from the house...especially if the roommate at the time was being themselves.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wed May 20 20:00:00 2020
    specific number of checkouts. I hope ours opens up again soon so tha service goes away.
    Hmm, seems the digital book creaters are following in the footsteps of
    the movie industry... greed. :/

    Oh yeah! Used to order Kindle books from Amazon. If I couldn't break the DRM
    on a product I spent money on...wouldn't have bought them. After their
    history of stealing my purchase because someone threw a fit...I don't care if they think I only own a license...I bought a product.

    That's why I love GOG.COM so much & have almost 200 games bought from them without DRM & burned to DVD for my own copy.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to The Godfather on Wed May 20 20:06:34 2020
    But I only buy Marvel, DC, Spy, and War movies these days. So I hope everything doesn't go 100% cloud as the steaming services are either limited in technology comparatively to the a/v equipments potential, or try to offer it but the majority of home owners do not have the speed to stream that kind of data without picture/sound quality. As for books,

    Am not going to get political...but 1 thing I noticed after 2017 was these damned caps being allowed by many providers. This being the case...who's
    going to be able to afford any streaming...unless you pay a ton extra for
    going over the caps. Don't get me wrong...the FCC has done great things...but letting these scumbag companies rape their customers to give themselves
    more money at the expense of someone like myself who uses the medium as the entertainment I use the most.

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Phoobar on Thu May 21 02:04:39 2020
    Our local one has been closed since mid-March. Got a notice from them
    that even though Phase 1 is starting...they will stay closed because
    they can't get the cleaning supplies they ordered back in March.

    Made me sad that I had no place to go where I could kick back & veg out away from the house...especially if the roommate at the time was being themselves.

    ACME BBS-Member of

    That is a bummer. Ours closed for sure, however went to the online thing. I do miss having a "veg" spot when the house gets too loud. There is a nature center close by thats been shut down since the beginning of this COVID thing. The trails can still be explored, but is full of teenagers running around not practicing social distancing. There were a few people setting up tree
    hamocks so I bought one on Amazon I'm awaiting arrival of. I'll be securing
    a quiet spot to read and maybe doze off for a few. Hope your Library opens soon. The Cleaning supply supply chain is a huge issue. We're basically
    down to making our own Lysol wipes with Fabuloso and a gallon of Pinesol (sp)
    I found in my garage. Milk prices are over $5 per gallon now, and chickin
    and pork is the new toilet paper around here. We're buying from local farms for 3 times the price at the moment.

    I imagine things will get better, or maybe they have, I quit wathcing the
    news a few weeks ago. Just COVID overload through social media and TV right now .. I don't know about nationally, but I know that Indianas slogan seems
    to be "We're in this together." I need a soft brick to throw at my TV the
    next time I hear the slogan.

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Phoobar on Thu May 21 02:15:33 2020
    But I only buy Marvel, DC, Spy, and War movies these days. So I hope everything doesn't go 100% cloud as the steaming services are either limited in technology comparatively to the a/v equipments potential, try to offer it but the majority of home owners do not have the speed stream that kind of data without picture/sound quality. As for books,

    Am not going to get political...but 1 thing I noticed after 2017 was
    these damned caps being allowed by many providers. This being the case...who's going to be able to afford any streaming...unless you pay a ton extra for going over the caps. Don't get me wrong...the FCC has done great things...but letting these scumbag companies rape their customers
    to give themselves more money at the expense of someone like myself who uses the medium as the entertainment I use the most.


    We cut the cord of AT&T for that very reason. I think every cell service
    have always throttled down speeds once you reached your limit, but once AT&T did that with their TV and HOME internet DSL, I was done. Found out a lot of cable companies were doing so as well. MetroNet, I'm not sure what all
    states their in, is all Fiber with on caps, and better pricing. So I
    switched in a heart beat. Just did internet, and stream YouTubeTV, which had more channels than DirecTV+ or others we looked into, for the same money. Overall we are spending less and have no buffering issues, nor caps. I
    recally the caps kicking in around 2016-17 .. The FCC does need an overhaul.

    Regardless the push for cloud computing is really a bummer. If the ISP's
    can't provide consistent, buffer free, uncompressed (or at least compresion with ALL A/V features (4K, 1080p, Dolby Digital/DTs, etc...) then cart is way head of the horse. I hate Windows 10 (the first windows I've used since I whatever version was around in 2013,) for switching toward pushing Aps and cloud storage. I like my data with me, not accessible to marketing firms and other analytics of large corporations.

    With that said, I do like Apple Music, great cloud based music service, Netflix, and Disney Plus for the quality of A/V offered. I'm not sure if
    Prime has fixed their pay per view, but a year ago their damn rentals were
    NOT in Dolby Digital, which really ticked me off. I burned a few decibles
    off my hearing from years of rock music and power equipment ... so I need the center channel and a good audio system to hear all of the detail swithin a movie -- voices expecially. So, while I like their original content .. I haven't rented movies from them in some time because their audio sucked when
    I used to.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to The Godfather on Thu May 21 17:57:00 2020
    On 05-20-20 09:17, The Godfather wrote to Vk3jed <=-



    Yup, and to date it's only impacting the libraries as our library has
    not raised their rates but likely will. I'd prefer to just walk in and

    They can't absorb the costs forever.

    browse. I've never been fond of online books. But then again, I still

    With me, it depends. Online books are convenient for those times when you want to carry a large collection in a compact device, such as travelling, but I do like the feel of holding a real book. :)

    prefer to buy a CD over downloading music, as any compression I'll
    likely here on my speakers. That, and there's something about learning

    Yes, there is merit in that. I certainly wish that music was released in FLAC format, even if it cost a little more. Physical media for me is a bit inconvenient, mainly due to space, so the less I have to store (in the physical world), the better.

    to LIKE songs of an artist, rather then just downloading their hits. I

    Yes, I have had some artists and albums that I've loved, but I've also had the opposite, buying an album that promised, but didn't deliver anything except for the known hit. :/

    also still like buying Bluray discs. Same reason -- no buffering, no limits on dolby digital, you get all the extras, and it's a collection.

    Yes, though only key movies and series end up being bought these days. I'm over DVD, too unreliable - had issues with even commercially pressed ones from reputable outlets, but Blu-Ray was designed to oversome some of DVD's weaknesses, as well as being HD., and is the format of choice for any discs these days.

    But I only buy Marvel, DC, Spy, and War movies these days. So I hope everything doesn't go 100% cloud as the steaming services are either limited in technology comparatively to the a/v equipments potential, or

    I really don't like streaming for music, because I'm often in areas with unreliable or nonexistent coverage, and my listening patterns don't fit a flat fee subscription model - I still prefer to buy the music and have it on hand.

    Streaming for video is more feasible, because I tend to watch that at home, where there's bandwidth to burn and fixed screens. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thu May 21 18:07:00 2020
    On 05-20-20 16:00, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Oh yeah! Used to order Kindle books from Amazon. If I couldn't break
    the DRM on a product I spent money on...wouldn't have bought them.
    After their history of stealing my purchase because someone threw a fit...I don't care if they think I only own a license...I bought a product.

    Yes, there are ways and means. And yes, if I buy a book, I expect to be able to read it until it falls apart, or I give/sell it to someone else.

    That's why I love GOG.COM so much & have almost 200 games bought from
    them without DRM & burned to DVD for my own copy.

    Not one I'm familiar with, but I'm not a gamer. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to The Godfather on Fri May 22 01:02:45 2020
    That is a bummer. Ours closed for sure, however went to the online
    thing. I do miss having a "veg" spot when the house gets too loud.

    Believe they also have an online presence...but compared to what I was used
    to in Colorado Springs...not even sure if the local library has Overdrive.

    There were a few people setting up tree hamocks so I bought one on
    Amazon I'm awaiting arrival of. I'll be securing a quiet spot to read
    and maybe doze off for a few. Hope your Library opens soon. The

    Good for you! It will make a hell of a difference for you.

    found in my garage. Milk prices are over $5 per gallon now, and chickin and pork is the new toilet paper around here. We're buying from local farms for 3 times the price at the moment.

    Will be heading to the grocery store next week...whenever I can get out from under the rain.

    right now .. I don't know about nationally, but I know that Indianas slogan seems to be "We're in this together." I need a soft brick to
    throw at my TV the next time I hear the slogan.

    Seen that around as well. If true...why are the ones who are quoting it the worst arseholes before & now?

    In terms of TV...only PBS is only OTA set of channels I can pick up. BritBox
    & other streaming channels are how I stay away from the stuff.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to The Godfather on Fri May 22 01:11:34 2020
    We cut the cord of AT&T for that very reason. I think every cell service have always throttled down speeds once you reached your limit, but once AT&T did that with their TV and HOME internet DSL, I was done. Found
    out a lot of cable companies were doing so as well. MetroNet, I'm not

    Hate living in an apartment where I can't get cap-less access because I can't have a dish installed on the back of the apartment building to get faster
    speed with wireless access than with wired DSL.

    buffering issues, nor caps. I recally the caps kicking in around
    2016-17 .. The FCC does need an overhaul.

    Yep...right after the election & Comcrap wasn't grandfathering in anyone on a contract...unless they went for fiber & such. Lived in Colorado Springs in
    late 2016 where I had DSL through CenturyLink without any caps.

    were NOT in Dolby Digital, which really ticked me off. I burned a few decibles off my hearing from years of rock music and power equipment ... so I need the center channel and a good audio system to hear all of the detail swithin a movie -- voices expecially. So, while I like their original content .. I haven't rented movies from them in some time
    because their audio sucked when I used to.

    Was in commercial radio off/on for about 20 years...so am in the same spot
    you are.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Fri May 22 01:19:58 2020
    That's why I love GOG.COM so much & have almost 200 games bought from them without DRM & burned to DVD for my own copy.
    Not one I'm familiar with, but I'm not a gamer. :)

    They sell older games which have been adapted to play on new systems with no DRM. For instance...love the old DOS games & they run in Windows 10 with the help of DOSBox & tweaking the hell out of them to make them run without any issues. Not only that...but have gotten a ton of free games from them & pay usually 75-90% of the cost when they go on sale.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Fri May 22 19:32:00 2020
    On 05-21-20 21:19, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    They sell older games which have been adapted to play on new systems
    with no DRM. For instance...love the old DOS games & they run in
    Windows 10 with the help of DOSBox & tweaking the hell out of them to
    make them run without any issues. Not only that...but have gotten a ton
    of free games from them & pay usually 75-90% of the cost when they go
    on sale.

    Sounds really good, actually. :)


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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Phoobar on Fri May 22 13:41:26 2020
    Will be heading to the grocery store next week...whenever I can get out from under the rain.


    Where are you residing now? I'm in Indiana but used to live in Arvada
    Colorado (was raised there and only lived here in Indy for 16 years). Sure
    miss Colorado. We were done with the rain pretty much two days ago, yet for some reason it's still overcast, and windy, holding temperatures down to more March like weather. Sure doesn't feel like a typical May like Spring.

    Seen that around as well. If true...why are the ones who are quoting it the worst arseholes before & now?


    Haha, especially the car dealerships. I just shut the TV off ..

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Phoobar on Fri May 22 13:45:10 2020
    Hate living in an apartment where I can't get cap-less access because I can't have a dish installed on the back of the apartment building to get faster speed with wireless access than with wired DSL.


    Federal Regulations prevent apartments from disallowing you access to satellite. Unless the rules have changed over the last 16 years. When in Colorado, the only thing my apartment complex could do was prevent me from attaching it to the physical structure of the building, so grabbed a bucket
    and pole mounted it into concrete. Worked great.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Fri May 22 12:31:23 2020
    They sell older games which have been adapted to play on new systems with no DRM. For instance...love the old DOS games & they run in Windows 10 with the help of DOSBox & tweaking the hell out of them to make them run without any issues. Not only that...but have gotten a t of free games from them & pay usually 75-90% of the cost when they go on sale.
    Sounds really good, actually. :)

    Been around for years & are even selling newly developed games which attempt
    to mimic the older games in the past.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to The Godfather on Fri May 22 12:34:40 2020
    Where are you residing now? I'm in Indiana but used to live in Arvada Colorado (was raised there and only lived here in Indy for 16 years).

    Am in Albany, OR. Used to live down the pike from you in Colorado Springs.

    Sure miss Colorado. We were done with the rain pretty much two days
    ago, yet for some reason it's still overcast, and windy, holding temperatures down to more March like weather. Sure doesn't feel like a typical May like Spring.

    I do as well...but rain...we've still got it hanging around...which around right now is when the dry part of the year starts.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to The Godfather on Fri May 22 12:38:30 2020
    Federal Regulations prevent apartments from disallowing you access to satellite. Unless the rules have changed over the last 16 years. When in

    They are rather strict about anything around here. Been thinking about
    running me a long wire out the window...with 1 end tied to a tennis ball...so
    I can reel it in when done. For that matter...they don't allow residents to
    BBQ outside their apartments...except with propane. On that...they don't
    allow you to store it in the apartment.

    Colorado, the only thing my apartment complex could do was prevent me
    from attaching it to the physical structure of the building, so grabbed
    a bucket and pole mounted it into concrete. Worked great.

    Have seen this around town.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Sat May 23 18:49:00 2020
    On 05-22-20 08:31, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Been around for years & are even selling newly developed games which attempt to mimic the older games in the past.

    OK, remember, I'm not a gamer, so it's not something I'd have gone looking for. :)


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