NNTPJAM looks like it could be a goer, but I have that same message base interaction problem. Anyone know of a door that will handle JAM message bases?
On 05-24-20 20:53, Spectre wrote to Anybody <=-
Message Base thoughts and ideas....
Isn't squish or JAM not sure which, functionally like a HUDSON base for each message area? If so, I might be able to coerce the reader to work with it.
NNTPJAM looks like it could be a goer, but I have that same message
base interaction problem. Anyone know of a door that will handle JAM message bases?
What are you trying to do?
Soo I need to find something that will work to read/post to JAM rather than Hudson. But if JAM is like the hudson for each area, it might be possible to work around it, using the reader still....
Hmm, might need a BBS for the JAM? Many options in that area, both old and new. Hmm, can you run a BBS as a door? :)
Each area has its own base, which consists of 4 or 5 files. That's
the case for both Squish and JAM, unlike Hudson which has all areas
in the one messagebase.
Hmm, might need a BBS for the JAM? Many options in that area, both
So JamNNTPd can work with JAM message bases. (A tip, a clue is in its
name !)
I have seen another version (fork) of it that can work with Squash
- dont recall where, but might be with the hpt stuff...
So it acts as an NNTP server, for which it serves clients (aka
readers)...
Does that help you?
scrape the JamNNTPd server I s'pose. What I'm looking for IF I put jamnntpd in play is a way I work around no native support for JAM. Another messy idea I s'pose would be to make it a point and scan toss packets from it to the HUDSON. I better ask the best question, what platform is JamNNTPd aimed at?
different directory for every message area might be able to fool "The Reader" into thinking its still working only with HUDSON. Otherwise I need another alternative for this too.
JamNNTPd runs on linux (maybe more, I dont know) - but it doesnt toss or export mail. Its an NNTP server and only serves NNTP clients, and you need something else to toss/export mail.
Why dont you use golded? It supports Jam (maybe Squish too IIRC)...
On 05-25-20 10:33, alterego wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: Message Bases...
By: Vk3jed to Spectre on Mon May 25 2020 09:24 am
Hmm, might need a BBS for the JAM? Many options in that area, both old and new. Hmm, can you run a BBS as a door? :)
Dont need a BBS to use JAM. Hub 3 uses JAM bases, and there is no BBS there...
On 05-25-20 10:48, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Been there done that before... biggest problem was it tended to be a
one way trip they always want to hang up on exit. Might be able to finagle that though too.. probably last resort at this stage. And would want to be, something DOS age an antique as well.
On 05-25-20 08:46, Spectre wrote to alterego <=-
What are you trying to do?
Welllllll aside from being difficult as usual :) If I could
functionally use a JAM message base with Super then having nntp
available would sort out my problems of trying to bridge to the local
nntp server...
On 05-25-20 13:02, alterego wrote to Spectre <=-
Why dont you use golded? It supports Jam (maybe Squish too IIRC)...
In the DOS days, I had the same problem trying to implement a
"relogin" function on the BBS, so I could get a second login without having to hang up and call again. At the time, there were two BBS
I don't know how you're going to do that... Yes, you're being
difficult. LOL
I think he's wedded to SuperBBS and The Reader. If the latter is just for sysop reading, switching to GoldED would be a better move, because that
On 05-25-20 19:22, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
In the DOS days, I had the same problem trying to implement a
"relogin" function on the BBS, so I could get a second login without having to hang up and call again. At the time, there were two BBS
I actually had The Kingdom BB sitting on the same machine as TLP while
its owner was out on excercises on a sub somewhere... We had a number
of common callers and somehow it ended up with me.
I was using type 15's to exit and start the new bbs software which I think was RA, although you were meant to be able to get it to exit
without hanging up and returning to the first system in actuality it
liked to hang up the modem, so it was always a one way trip.
Forcing DTR high might've been enough, but I think RA and Super both
liked to toggle it during logoff.
On 05-25-20 19:26, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't know how you're going to do that... Yes, you're being
difficult. LOL
Wait for it, theres a partial plan in the air... might be slightly
easier than I thought although still convoluted.
On 05-25-20 19:33, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think he's wedded to SuperBBS and The Reader. If the latter is just for sysop reading, switching to GoldED would be a better move, because that
In the day's of 2400 when I first saw the reader it was slower than melting blanc mange. Thats not so much an issue now, and its a far
nicer interface to drive than the stock SuperBBS message options. Drawback, it only works with HUDSON.
So to swap from HUDSON requires a replacement door reader. I'm
certainly wedded to using SuperBBS, but The Reader is more like a concubine. :)
If you're desperate to figure out why it is so, you can always log in
and poke around the message menu, all the options are there. In this
day and age I pretty much guarantee you'd prefer The Reader for
interface.
I was using type 15's to exit and start the new bbs
Type 15's???
Wait for it, theres a partial plan in the air... might be slightly easier than I thought although still convoluted.
Haha, so what's the big idea?
That would have been a deal breaker for me. Hudson was simply woefully
Type 15 exits to dos, also used to launch doors. Can work a treat if you have low memory, it actually exits the BBS with a user defiened errorlevel so everything possible is unloaded, then starts the new software. YouI was using type 15's to exit and start the new bbs
On 05-27-20 09:52, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I was using type 15's to exit and start the new bbs
Type 15's???
Type 15 exits to dos, also used to launch doors. Can work a treat if
you have low memory, it actually exits the BBS with a user defiened errorlevel so everything possible is unloaded, then starts the new software. You actually have to relaunch the original BBS software
telling it someone is already online.
Type 7, shell to dos, leaves less memory free. Even if you enable *M OR
*S for swapping this leaves less available memory.
On 05-27-20 10:05, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
replace INN with jamnntpd (won't load on 119 at the moment), use dos
mail tossers in the background to move FTN, and if I can get jam onto
port 119, see if it'll behave with suck posting articles to it....
problem solvered as they say.
Presently despite having disabled INN I see systemd hanging onto port
119 and I haven't found a way to stop that happening.
On 05-27-20 10:07, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That would have been a deal breaker for me. Hudson was simply woefully
Back then there was NO jam or squish. This 1.17 version of Super does support squish though. I might have played with it a little for newsgroups back when, but generally just stuck with the HUDSON hornet
:)
Ahh OK, so these are SuperBBS specific? But yeah makes sense.
Ahh, OK cool. And will JAMNNTPd allow posts from anyone other than the logged in user?
119 and I haven't found a way to stop that happening.
Hmm, bummer.
Yeah, I upgraded to RA 2.x as soon as it came out, and took to JAM
It's not talking to the JAM message base. FMAIL is tossing packets, and doing its thing. jamnntp is sitting there accepting incomings, handing out a list of configured areas, unable to access any areas... (grumble)..
Check the JAM bases and make sure that there is a
<areaname> .jlr file. If not, "touch" it to create a zero byte
file. (Each JAM message area should have 4 files.)
On 05-27-20 22:34, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Ahh OK, so these are SuperBBS specific? But yeah makes sense.
Ahhh no, 7 and 15 are older than dirt, go all the way back to Quick, RA also has them...
On 05-27-20 22:44, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Ahh, OK cool. And will JAMNNTPd allow posts from anyone other than the logged in user?
You can limit posts by IP, so localhost only can post... then its log
in or nothing...
It's not talking to the JAM message base. FMAIL is tossing packets,
and doing its thing. jamnntp is sitting there accepting incomings,
handing out a list of configured areas, unable to access any areas... (grumble).. sounds like permissions, but 777 isn't doing it, or its not looking where I think it should be looking. Either way, I'm stymied again.
On 05-27-20 22:47, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, I upgraded to RA 2.x as soon as it came out, and took to JAM
That was well after RA and I had gone our seperate ways. I'm somewhat surprised that this style BBS doesn't have any apparent decendents. Quick/RA/Super were pretty much the rage for years...
Quoting Spectre to Vk3jed <=-
Ahhh no, 7 and 15 are older than dirt, go all the way back to Quick,
RA also has them...
Ezycom does too.
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