• qUAntUm RaDio!

    From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to All on Sun May 31 12:43:24 2020
    Hey y'all,

    I recently launched "qUAntUm RaDio!" broadcasting chiptunes and scene radio podcasts 24/7. You can hear it at https://radio.erb.pw and I have set the podcasts to be request-able, so if you miss one you can request it to play and it'll be queued within a few songs.

    I know that this isn't the first internet radio station to be born out of the BBS scene, but I wanted to make something dedicated to chiptunes, and one of tqwNet's members suggested I do it some time after I first thought about it, which prompted me to actually make it happen.

    It's using AzuraCast, run from a docker container inside a VM on my Proxmox host located at my work's data centre. Plenty of bandwidth for it, not that
    it uses much at all, and so far it's getting some positive feedback.

    I would love to get lots more feedback, so if you have a spare 5 mins
    sometime and you enjoy chiptunes, give it a listen. You can use VLC for
    Android (and I assume iOS), as well as I guess any web browser capable of playing streamed music. Just head over to https://radio.erb.pw to have a listen.

    Thanks for your feedback, hope y'all enjoy it.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to MeaTLoTioN on Mon Jun 1 00:24:00 2020
    On 05-31-20 08:43, MeaTLoTioN wrote to All <=-

    I know that this isn't the first internet radio station to be born out
    of the BBS scene, but I wanted to make something dedicated to
    chiptunes, and one of tqwNet's members suggested I do it some time
    after I first thought about it, which prompted me to actually make it happen.

    Now that's cool! :)


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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Vk3jed on Sun May 31 16:13:40 2020
    On 31 May 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

    On 05-31-20 08:43, MeaTLoTioN wrote to All <=-

    I know that this isn't the first internet radio station to be born ou of the BBS scene, but I wanted to make something dedicated to chiptunes, and one of tqwNet's members suggested I do it some time after I first thought about it, which prompted me to actually make it happen.

    Now that's cool! :)

    Yeah I think so, thanks =)

    Let me know what you think and if you have any suggestions I would love to
    hear them.

    I am thinking about maybe opening up some slots for live DJ sets if any chiptune artists wan't to get some air time, or someone just fancies playing some chiptunes of their own playlist for a set amount of time.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to MeaTLoTioN on Sun May 31 13:27:00 2020
    Hello Meatlotion!

    ** On Sunday 31.05.20 - 08:43, MeaTLoTioN wrote to All:

    I would love to get lots more feedback, so if you have a spare 5 mins sometime and you enjoy chiptunes, give it a listen. You can use VLC
    for Android (and I assume iOS), as well as I guess any web browser
    capable of playing streamed music. Just head over to https://
    radio.erb.pw to have a listen.

    It wouldn't play in my VLC (Win XP). Until Jun 3, my ISP has throttled me down to under 100kbps. :(

    I generally don't have a problem streaming 96kbps radio through iTunes on
    the XP pc, but yours wasn't coming through.

    Meanwhile, I tried the link in the web browsers on both my WinXP and Win7 laptops. The site takes a very looooong time to render (nice backsplash/
    logo btw). Eventually, what appears to be a player shows up in the middle
    of the screen showing track, title, time. The tune appears to play as the progress bar and time advances, but there is no sound.

    The requestable feature is interesting, similar to call-in radio. Nice project you have there.

    But as it stands, it seems that 8-bit radio requires 21st century
    technology. :(

    I will try your feed at a place where I have DSL.

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  • From xqtr@21:1/111 to MeaTLoTioN on Sun May 31 20:39:36 2020
    podcasts 24/7. You can hear it at https://radio.erb.pw and I have set the podcasts to be request-able, so if you miss one you can request it to play it'll be queued within a few songs.

    Nice. Really like the looks of it and the possibility to see past tracks and make requests. Could be possible to also be a link to the track, perhaps in
    the bbs or is a site like modarchive in case someone wants to download it?

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Ogg on Mon Jun 1 00:01:23 2020
    It wouldn't play in my VLC (Win XP). Until Jun 3, my ISP has throttled
    me down to under 100kbps. :(

    Oof that's not so good, at least you only have 3 days until you have the throttle lifted.

    I generally don't have a problem streaming 96kbps radio through iTunes
    on the XP pc, but yours wasn't coming through.

    I think I have the bit rate set higher than that, I think I set it to 128Kbps

    Meanwhile, I tried the link in the web browsers on both my WinXP and
    Win7 laptops. The site takes a very looooong time to render (nice backsplash/ logo btw). Eventually, what appears to be a player shows up in the middle of the screen showing track, title, time. The tune
    appears to play as the progress bar and time advances, but there is no sound.

    Hmm I will have to try and compress the image a little then as I completely forgot about the size of it and slower connections. It's hosted in the data centre so bandwidth (for me and it) is irrelevant, but not for people who
    would connect to it... however that said, when i've had 3 people streaming
    it's only using like 20-30Kbps bandwidth... so I don't know yet. Have to look into it some more.

    The requestable feature is interesting, similar to call-in radio. Nice project you have there.

    Thank you, It's a work in progress.

    But as it stands, it seems that 8-bit radio requires 21st century technology. :(

    Yes, that would seem to be a little object defeating lol, I will have to look into making some slight alterations and testing slower connections.

    I will try your feed at a place where I have DSL.


    I'd like to hear what you think when you get to listen to it. I really love chiptunes, so for me I can listen all day long and love it, I toyed with the idea of doing it long ago so others could share in my enjoyment, but only
    made it happen this month.

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to xqtr on Mon Jun 1 00:04:18 2020
    Nice. Really like the looks of it and the possibility to see past tracks and make requests. Could be possible to also be a link to the track, perhaps in the bbs or is a site like modarchive in case someone wants to download it?

    That's a really good idea, I don't know if AzuraCast can do that, I will look into it, but I really like that idea.

    It does mean however I will probably have to manually add nearly 10,000 links and info to the songs database... that could keep me going for the rest of
    the year I reckon =)

    I best start looking into it.
    Thanks for the suggestion.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to MeaTLoTioN on Sun May 31 22:22:00 2020
    Hello Meatlotion!

    ** On Sunday 31.05.20 - 20:01, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Ogg:

    I generally don't have a problem streaming 96kbps radio through
    iTunes on the XP pc, but yours wasn't coming through.

    I think I have the bit rate set higher than that, I think I set it to 128Kbps

    Hmmm.. 128k should have started at some point, but I watched 2 songs
    "play" and there was no sound.


    Meanwhile, I tried the link in the web browsers on both my WinXP and
    Win7 laptops. The site takes a very looooong time to render (nice
    backsplash/ logo btw)..

    Hmm I will have to try and compress the image a little then as I
    completely forgot about the size of it and slower connections. It's hosted in the data centre so bandwidth (for me and it) is irrelevant, but not for people who would connect to it... however that said, when i've had 3
    people streaming it's only using like 20-30Kbps bandwidth... so I don't know yet. Have to look into it some more.

    The background image appears to be 5.9MB. You should definately reduce
    that quite a bit. At my pathetic 100kbps, I can only fetch 1MB per minute (or less because apparently there is upload overhead as well)

    However, after the 1st visit, the next time I load the https:// site, the background pops up faster.

    But how much data would a typical 4 minute stream consume? You probably don't need hi fidelity for computerized tunes. 128Kbps sounds reasonable, but maybe you can offer something less like a 96Kbps setting?

    If you say that when 3 people are streaming and you are only seeing 30Kbps tops, then that shouldn't cost too much to stream for a few hours here.

    From time to time I'll still listen to the music radio stations that are built into the iTunes player. Most of those sound perfectly fine at
    96Kbps - especially the old-time radio plays and other talkies.


    I'd like to hear what you think when you get to listen to it. I really
    love chiptunes, so for me I can listen all day long and love it, I
    toyed with the idea of doing it long ago so others could share in my enjoyment, but only made it happen this month.

    I don't think I ever heard the term chiptunes before. MIDI or .WAV
    samples, yes. But not chiptunes. I had to look it up.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to MeaTLoTioN on Mon Jun 1 16:30:00 2020
    On 05-31-20 12:13, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Now that's cool! :)

    Yeah I think so, thanks =)

    Let me know what you think and if you have any suggestions I would love
    to hear them.

    Unfortunately, while I love the concept, my opportunities for listening are very few and far between. :(

    I am thinking about maybe opening up some slots for live DJ sets if any chiptune artists wan't to get some air time, or someone just fancies playing some chiptunes of their own playlist for a set amount of time.

    Could be interesting too.


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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Ogg on Mon Jun 1 12:04:49 2020
    Hmmm.. 128k should have started at some point, but I watched 2 songs "play" and there was no sound.

    That is interesting, I haven't experienced this myself, but my internet connection isn't throttled right now, I am fortunate to have relatively OK internet speeds for this day and age, I have something in the region of a 35Mbps down and 6Mbps up at home, the server in the DC however has 100Mbps throughput (employee perk) and unlimited data transfer.

    The background image appears to be 5.9MB. You should definately reduce that quite a bit. At my pathetic 100kbps, I can only fetch 1MB per
    minute (or less because apparently there is upload overhead as well)

    However, after the 1st visit, the next time I load the https:// site,
    the background pops up faster.

    Holy moley I didn't think it was that large... I will be optimising it asap
    as that just isn't acceptable. Thanks for pointing it out, I must have overlooked the size completely.

    But how much data would a typical 4 minute stream consume? You probably don't need hi fidelity for computerized tunes. 128Kbps sounds
    reasonable, but maybe you can offer something less like a 96Kbps setting?

    If you say that when 3 people are streaming and you are only seeing
    30Kbps tops, then that shouldn't cost too much to stream for a few hours here.

    That's right, there's hardly any movement in the speedo when I measure it
    with no one streaming or 3 devices streaming. I would like to test more to
    see how much it does go up, perhaps get 10 devices all to stream just in case something was skewing the info somehow.

    From time to time I'll still listen to the music radio stations that are built into the iTunes player. Most of those sound perfectly fine at 96Kbps - especially the old-time radio plays and other talkies.

    I think (not 100% as I don't use iTunes) that iTunes can also stream the AzuraCast, I wouldn't know how you'd get that to work, in VLC I just download the playlist that the webpage offers, and then open it as a file in VLC and voila, iTunes mileage may vary, but I hear it "can" do it.

    I don't think I ever heard the term chiptunes before. MIDI or .WAV samples, yes. But not chiptunes. I had to look it up.


    Ahh, chiptunes or specifically one .MOD file in particular is what got me started in the BBS scene many many moons ago when I was only 14. I am not
    sure if "Chiptunes" covers all tracker music, as I originally thought that "chiptunes" refers to just sounds created with the sound chips of the systems like C64, Amiga, etc however I often search for chiptunes and find all kinds
    of MOD/S3M etc files included in that Genre.

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Vk3jed on Mon Jun 1 12:06:30 2020
    I am thinking about maybe opening up some slots for live DJ sets if a chiptune artists wan't to get some air time, or someone just fancies playing some chiptunes of their own playlist for a set amount of time

    Could be interesting too.

    It would be even better if I could spell the word "want" correctly! Not sure how that stray apostrophe got in there, I hang my head in shame. HAHA

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to MeaTLoTioN on Mon Jun 1 07:33:12 2020
    On 01 Jun 2020, MeaTLoTioN said the following...

    That's right, there's hardly any movement in the speedo

    LOL

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to MeaTLoTioN on Mon Jun 1 22:04:00 2020
    On 06-01-20 08:06, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It would be even better if I could spell the word "want" correctly! Not sure how that stray apostrophe got in there, I hang my head in shame.
    HAHA

    Haha, my internal error correction put that one out of my mind. :D


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  • From xqtr@21:1/111 to MeaTLoTioN on Mon Jun 1 21:57:05 2020
    It does mean however I will probably have to manually add nearly 10,000 links and info to the songs database... that could keep me going for the rest of the year I reckon =)

    You don't have to put links for all tracks, just the ones you know or have the time to add the links :) If the files/tracks are in your BBS, perhaps you can automate the procedure with a script and add a "local" link to your BBS.

    After adding the links, you should consider to add tags also :) hahahaha

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to MeaTLoTioN on Wed Jun 3 01:34:16 2020
    On 31 May 2020 at 08:43a, MeaTLoTioN pondered and said...

    Thanks for your feedback, hope y'all enjoy it.

    Congrats! This is great to listen to and looks / sounds nice. :) I am now reading up on the software you're using. I may have some n00b questions about it to follow.

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to xqtr on Tue Jun 2 15:24:13 2020
    You don't have to put links for all tracks, just the ones you know or
    have the time to add the links :) If the files/tracks are in your BBS, perhaps you can automate the procedure with a script and add a "local" link to your BBS.

    Ahh that's genius! I will do that, as all the music is available on my BBS,
    so a blanket link to the BBS would be an easy win.

    After adding the links, you should consider to add tags also :) hahahaha

    HAHAHA very true.

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Avon on Tue Jun 2 15:26:33 2020
    On 02 Jun 2020, Avon said the following...

    Hey man! =)

    Congrats! This is great to listen to and looks / sounds nice. :) I am now reading up on the software you're using. I may have some n00b questions about it to follow.

    Thank you, I'm very pleased with it and glad it's getting listeners, I like
    the fact that chiptunes covers most genres of music, so there's something for everyone, whether you're specifically wanting to hear "chiptunes" or just
    some nice easy listening music, it's a win both ways.

    Feel free to ask me questions, I'm still learning it all but it's getting there.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to MeaTLoTioN on Wed Jun 3 16:07:29 2020
    On 02 Jun 2020 at 11:26a, MeaTLoTioN pondered and said...

    Feel free to ask me questions, I'm still learning it all but it's getting there.

    The software intrigues me. I'm wondering if I could use it for totalfm.nz but
    I would need to suss how I could feed what I currently feed to my icecast server and I'm picking feed that instead to the dj software as a 'live'
    input? Not 100% sure on that...

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Avon on Wed Jun 3 13:36:34 2020
    The software intrigues me. I'm wondering if I could use it for
    totalfm.nz but I would need to suss how I could feed what I currently
    feed to my icecast server and I'm picking feed that instead to the dj software as a 'live' input? Not 100% sure on that...

    I haven't played with the "live" aspect of it yet, however you can set up
    live DJ's auth so they can cast to it, it uses IceCast or ShoutCast depending on what you choose to install on the server end, and then you can use either
    a webDJ client, bundled with AzuraCast or you can perhaps stream to it via something like Mixxx.

    This is how I intend to allow people to have their own DJ slot on qUAntUm RaDio! so they can produce a more personal show as it were.

    I think AzuraCast is very much more powerful than I can understand yet, but
    I'm looking up all the things I want to do with it to see how achievable it will be, so far it looks like it covers all bases well... not bad for free =)

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Jun 5 03:50:33 2020
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    bit modes. They sound awesome and I'm super pleased to be able to put
    themon air.Listen out for these in the normal
    daily schedule soon as I have uploadedthem all.
    ---Best regards,Christian a
    ka MeaTLoTioN──
    [eml] ml@erb.pw ── [web]
    www.erb.pw ───┐── [fsx] 21:1
    /158 ── [tqw] 1337:1/101 ┬──┘─
    ─ [rtn] 80:774/81 ─┬ [fdn]
    2:250/5 ───┘── [ark] 10:104
    /2 ─┘
    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Quantum Wormhole, Ramsgate, UK. bbs.erb.pw (21:1/158)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Ogg on Fri Jun 5 17:58:08 2020
    Hi Ogg

    I generally don't have a problem streaming 96kbps radio through
    iTunes on the XP pc, but yours wasn't coming through.

    I have just enabled two extra streams for the radio, a 96kbps stream and a 64kbps stream.

    Please can you let me know what you think and if either of those are better
    for you. Thanks for the suggestion too.

    ---
    |14Best regards,
    |11Ch|03rist|11ia|15n |11a|03ka |11Me|03aTLoT|11io|15N

    |07── |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07── |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07───┐ |07── |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07── |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07┬──┘ |07── |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07─┬ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07───┘
    |07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Quantum Wormhole, Ramsgate, UK. bbs.erb.pw (21:1/158)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to MeaTLoTioN on Sat Jun 6 01:20:00 2020
    Hello Meatlotion!

    ** On Friday 05.06.20 - 13:58, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Ogg:

    I generally don't have a problem streaming 96kbps radio through
    iTunes on the XP pc, but yours wasn't coming through.

    I have just enabled two extra streams for the radio, a 96kbps stream and a 64kbps stream.

    Please can you let me know what you think and if either of those are
    better for you. Thanks for the suggestion too.

    I saw the kbps choice options that you added.

    Here are some particulars on my machines:

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    ::: PC #1: XP, Lenovo G530 :::

    [a]
    Opera 36.0
    Version: 36.0.2130.80 - Opera is up to date
    Update stream: Stable
    System: Windows XP 32-bit

    And the error I would get:

    radio.erb.pw uses an unsupported protocol.

    The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or
    cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4, which
    is no longer considered secure.

    [b]
    Firefox 52.9.0 32-bit NO SOUND.

    I don't get any error messages. There is just no sound feed.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    ::: PC #2: XP, Lenovo Thinkpad T60 :::

    [a]
    Opera 36.0
    Version: 36.0.2130.80 - Opera is up to date
    Update stream: Stable
    System: Windows XP 32-bit
    Browser identification

    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/49.0.2623.112 Safari/537.36 OPR/36.0.2130.80

    This site can't provide a secure connection

    radio.erb.pw uses an unsupported protocol.

    The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or
    cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4, which
    is no longer considered secure.

    [b]
    Firefox 52.8.0 32-bit WORKS!

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    ::: PC #3: Win7-64bit, Lenovo Thinkpad T540p :::

    [a]
    Firefox 77.0.1 64bit *NOW* is WORKING! (It did not before.. and I
    didn't change anything)


    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    I would prefer to use PC #1 above, as it is connected to an external set
    of speakers. There is a PC #4 (Win764bit) that sits on the same LAN as PC #1, but the external speaker system is connected to PC #1. Rewiring to
    use PC #4 would be impossible right now. I tried a little program that listens for audio from one pc to another on the same LAN, (I think it's called Ip-Sound), but that did not work.


    --- OpenXP 5.0.44
    * Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Ogg on Sat Jun 6 06:59:19 2020
    On 05 Jun 2020, Ogg said the following...

    Hello Meatlotion!

    Hi Ogg =)

    ** On Friday 05.06.20 - 13:58, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Ogg:

    I generally don't have a problem streaming 96kbps radio through
    iTunes on the XP pc, but yours wasn't coming through.

    I have just enabled two extra streams for the radio, a 96kbps stream a 64kbps stream.

    Please can you let me know what you think and if either of those are better for you. Thanks for the suggestion too.

    I saw the kbps choice options that you added.

    Here are some particulars on my machines:

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    ::: PC #1: XP, Lenovo G530 :::

    [a]
    Opera 36.0
    Version: 36.0.2130.80 - Opera is up to date
    Update stream: Stable
    System: Windows XP 32-bit

    And the error I would get:

    radio.erb.pw uses an unsupported protocol.

    The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4,
    which is no longer considered secure.

    This is very interesting, and hopefully I have hacked the container's nginx
    to now remove RC4 - I just ran it through SSL Labs and it gets an A!

    https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=radio.erb.pw&hideResults=on

    This might have fixed your issues with PC #1 and Opera

    [b]
    Firefox 52.9.0 32-bit NO SOUND.

    I don't get any error messages. There is just no sound feed.

    Not sure how to attack this one, but I wonder if Firefox with that version either has the mime type for MP3 disabled, or it needs to install it?


    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    ::: PC #2: XP, Lenovo Thinkpad T60 :::

    [a]
    Opera 36.0
    Version: 36.0.2130.80 - Opera is up to date
    Update stream: Stable
    System: Windows XP 32-bit
    Browser identification

    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/49.0.2623.112 Safari/537.36 OPR/36.0.2130.80

    This site can't provide a secure connection

    radio.erb.pw uses an unsupported protocol.

    The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4,
    which is no longer considered secure.

    Again, as PC #1, this should hopefully be fixed now

    [b]
    Firefox 52.8.0 32-bit WORKS!

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    ::: PC #3: Win7-64bit, Lenovo Thinkpad T540p :::

    [a]
    Firefox 77.0.1 64bit *NOW* is WORKING! (It did not before.. and I didn't change anything)


    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    I would prefer to use PC #1 above, as it is connected to an external set of speakers. There is a PC #4 (Win764bit) that sits on the same LAN as
    PC #1, but the external speaker system is connected to PC #1. Rewiring
    to use PC #4 would be impossible right now. I tried a little program
    that listens for audio from one pc to another on the same LAN, (I think it's called Ip-Sound), but that did not work.




    Let me know how it goes.

    ---
    |14Best regards,
    |11Ch|03rist|11ia|15n |11a|03ka |11Me|03aTLoT|11io|15N

    |07── |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07── |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07───┐ |07── |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07── |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07┬──┘ |07── |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07─┬ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07───┘
    |07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Quantum Wormhole, Ramsgate, UK. bbs.erb.pw (21:1/158)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to MeaTLoTioN on Sat Jun 6 02:30:00 2020
    Hello Meatlotion!

    ** On Saturday 06.06.20 - 02:59, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Ogg:

    radio.erb.pw uses an unsupported protocol.

    The client and server don't support a common SSL protocol version or
    cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4,
    which is no longer considered secure.

    This is very interesting, and hopefully I have hacked the container's
    nginx to now remove RC4 - I just ran it through SSL Labs and it gets an A!

    https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=radio.erb.pw&hideResults=on

    This might have fixed your issues with PC #1 and Opera

    I don't have access to PC #1 right now, (it's 4km away), but the same
    Opera version on PC #2 (a Thinkpad T60) is still failing with the same "unsupported protocol".


    [b]
    Firefox 52.9.0 32-bit NO SOUND.

    I don't get any error messages. There is just no sound feed.

    Not sure how to attack this one, but I wonder if Firefox with that version either has the mime type for MP3 disabled, or it needs to install it?

    I don't know what different mime type for MP3 means. But I can play .mp3 with iTunes and VLC on PC #1 no problem. Spotify plays well too.

    I'll try rolling Firefox back to 52.8.0 on PC #1. That version in PC #2
    on a T60 which I am using as I am writing this message, WORKS.

    Interestingly.. A popular local radio station in my area plays OK when launched on my PC #2 that has FF 52.8.0. But it doesn't play on PC #1
    which has FF 52.9.0.

    https://canoefm.com/ ..and click on the big green LISTEN button.

    --- OpenXP 5.0.44
    * Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to MeaTLoTioN on Sat Jun 6 02:40:00 2020
    Hello Meatlotion!

    ** On Saturday 06.06.20 - 02:59, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Ogg:

    Let me know how it goes.

    One other thing I wanted to mention. Your site continues to feed a stream even after I close the browser tab or the whole browser. I have to temporarily cut my internet (it's just a wi-fi switch at the particular
    pc) to make it stop. Being on a metered mobile connection, this
    particular detail can be important for the underprivileged that do not
    have unlimited data. :(

    --- OpenXP 5.0.44
    * Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Ogg on Sat Jun 6 13:35:57 2020
    On 05 Jun 2020, Ogg said the following...

    Hello Meatlotion!

    ** On Saturday 06.06.20 - 02:59, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Ogg:

    Let me know how it goes.

    One other thing I wanted to mention. Your site continues to feed a
    stream even after I close the browser tab or the whole browser. I have
    to temporarily cut my internet (it's just a wi-fi switch at the
    particular pc) to make it stop. Being on a metered mobile connection, this particular detail can be important for the underprivileged that do not have unlimited data. :(


    Hmm this is very interesting too, I'll have to bring it up with the devs to
    see if this is a known behaviour or not.

    Thanks for letting me know.

    ---
    |14Best regards,
    |11Ch|03rist|11ia|15n |11a|03ka |11Me|03aTLoT|11io|15N

    |07── |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07── |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07───┐ |07── |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07── |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07┬──┘ |07── |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07─┬ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07───┘
    |07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Quantum Wormhole, Ramsgate, UK. bbs.erb.pw (21:1/158)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to MeaTLoTioN on Sat Jun 6 13:29:00 2020
    Hello Meatlotion!

    ** On Saturday 06.06.20 - 09:35, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Ogg:

    One other thing I wanted to mention. Your site continues to feed a
    stream even after I close the browser tab or the whole browser..

    Hmm this is very interesting too, I'll have to bring it up with the devs
    to see if this is a known behaviour or not.

    Thanks for letting me know.

    I've seen this happen with another music stream place that I was hoping to utilize at home (mobile data) even if it was just for a few minutes. But I don't remember which one it was or if it too was mentioned in this echo.

    In other news.. I just noticed that another pc (a Win7 laptop, also parked
    at home) was using a steady trickle of data UP and DOWN even when sitting idle. It's a fresh install, no 3rd party apps, no anti-virus app yet, Windows Updates is only enabled to notify me of updates, (but NOT
    download). I think that machine contributed to my using up my meager 5GB last month faster than I thought. But I digress...

    When I expect a pc to be idle, it really should be idle.

    --- OpenXP 5.0.44
    * Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Ogg on Sun Jun 7 02:23:36 2020
    Hi Ogg =)

    On 06 Jun 2020, Ogg said the following...

    Hello Meatlotion!

    ** On Saturday 06.06.20 - 09:35, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Ogg:

    One other thing I wanted to mention. Your site continues to feed a
    stream even after I close the browser tab or the whole browser..

    Hmm this is very interesting too, I'll have to bring it up with the de to see if this is a known behaviour or not.

    Thanks for letting me know.

    I've seen this happen with another music stream place that I was hoping
    to utilize at home (mobile data) even if it was just for a few minutes. But I don't remember which one it was or if it too was mentioned in this echo.

    I've been looking at this today and when I am listening to music from my
    radio station, either using VLC or the web version to stream the music, as
    soon as I stop the playback, and/or close the application that is listening
    to the stream, the bandwidth that I can see on the server instantly drops and the link appears to terminate.

    How can I replicate this on my end to see what you're seeing?

    In other news.. I just noticed that another pc (a Win7 laptop, also
    parked at home) was using a steady trickle of data UP and DOWN even when sitting idle. It's a fresh install, no 3rd party apps, no anti-virus
    app yet, Windows Updates is only enabled to notify me of updates, (but
    NOT download). I think that machine contributed to my using up my
    meager 5GB last month faster than I thought. But I digress...

    When I expect a pc to be idle, it really should be idle.

    Is this after (trying to) listen to my radio station? Or was this PC not
    trying to listen just happened to show the same symptoms of not idling when idle?

    I think that as long as a device has a network connection it will always send and receive some amount of data because it has to advertise it's presence on the network to allow for routing of traffic to work etc. If your bandwidth is getting eaten up by a pc that is idling, I would probably just disconnect the network connection or disable the wifi if it's on wifi until you wish to use
    it again.

    ---
    |14Best regards,
    |11Ch|03rist|11ia|15n |11a|03ka |11Me|03aTLoT|11io|15N

    |07── |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07── |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07───┐ |07── |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07── |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07┬──┘ |07── |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07─┬ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07───┘
    |07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Quantum Wormhole, Ramsgate, UK. bbs.erb.pw (21:1/158)
  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Sun Jun 7 01:37:03 2020
    NOT download). I think that machine contributed to my using up my
    meager 5GB last month faster than I thought. But I digress...

    When I expect a pc to be idle, it really should be idle.

    It'd be nice if there were an easy and obvious way to temporarily blacklist
    all internet traffic from a computer, and then easily whitelist only the requests you want.

    But even Windows takes a while to beat into shape on that idea, much less all the random other programs that want to check for updates.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to MeaTLoTioN on Sat Jun 6 22:16:00 2020
    Hello Meatlotion!

    ** On Saturday 06.06.20 - 22:23, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Ogg:

    One other thing I wanted to mention. Your site continues to feed a
    stream even after I close the browser tab or the whole browser..

    I've been looking at this today and when I am listening to music from my radio station, either using VLC or the web version to stream the music, as soon as I stop the playback, and/or close the application that is
    listening to the stream, the bandwidth that I can see on the server instantly drops and the link appears to terminate.

    Could I be witnessing the continued download of the playlist file? You
    said that the playlist can be downloaded manually, and loaded in VLC. I
    am wondering if the regular www online player you are using triggers a
    feed of the playlist and that is what I am experiencing on my meager 3Mbps
    DL speed? People with 100+Mbps DL feeds probably don't notice anything
    since the transfer is fast and already completed within seconds?


    How can I replicate this on my end to see what you're seeing?

    Slow down the DL connection?


    In other news.. I just noticed that another pc (a Win7 laptop, also
    parked at home) was using a steady trickle of data UP and DOWN even when
    sitting idle...

    Is this after (trying to) listen to my radio station? Or was this PC not trying to listen just happened to show the same symptoms of not idling
    when idle?

    Well.. It could be a remnant behaviour of using your radio on it since I always just put the Win7 laptop into hibernate and never really shutdown Windows, but I doubt it. Maybe it is Firefox calling the mother ship for updates. Any automated checks/updates on a mobile connection are not a
    good idea.


    I think that as long as a device has a network connection it will always send and receive some amount of data because it has to advertise it's presence on the network to allow for routing of traffic to work etc.

    Yes, I can understand the Win7 pc advertising its presence on the mobile hotspot LAN, but there shouldn't be any blatant advertising to the
    outside.


    If your bandwidth is getting eaten up by a pc that is idling, I would probably just disconnect the network connection or disable the wifi if
    it's on wifi until you wish to use it again.

    Yes, I need to get into the habit of doing that. Initally, I was just closing the lid and letting the pc go into hibernate. I have the Win7
    laptop next to my XP laptop so that if something doesn't work in XP, I
    just turn to the Win7 pc.

    Sometimes it is handy to have something on the Win7 pc stay onscreen for reference while I am working on the XP pc. (Kind of like a double-monitor setup). I have to get into the habit of disabling the wifi on the Win7 as soon as I am done with it.

    Limited data at 5GB/mo sucks. There is simply too much greed in this data techonology.

    This is what I had at the start of my new billing cycle:

    http://pics.rsh.ru/img/luckyjun32020_wzx68qkp.png

    Today's report is this:

    http://pics.rsh.ru/img/luckyjun62020_fztoub2p.jpg

    So.. at about 200MB per day sofar, I'm clocking too high. I have to keep
    my average at or below 170MB/DAY Even at 64kbps, Quantum Radio is a
    luxury at about 29MB/HOUR. :(

    Is it any wonder that I fetch my data with DSL and bring it home?

    --- OpenXP 5.0.44
    * Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Ogg on Sun Jun 7 06:11:03 2020
    On 06 Jun 2020, Ogg said the following...

    Hi Ogg =)

    Could I be witnessing the continued download of the playlist file? You said that the playlist can be downloaded manually, and loaded in VLC.
    I am wondering if the regular www online player you are using triggers a feed of the playlist and that is what I am experiencing on my meager
    3Mbps DL speed? People with 100+Mbps DL feeds probably don't notice anything since the transfer is fast and already completed within seconds?

    I really doubt it's the playlist file, this file is 134 bytes and contains
    just this in it;

    [playlist]
    File1=icyx://radio.erb.pw/radio/8000/radio.mp3
    Title1=qUAntUm RaDio! - 128kbps MP3
    Length1=-1

    NumberOfEntries=1
    Version=2


    Even on a very limited connection this would take less than a second to download, all it does is instruct a player that uses the playlist where to
    get the stream from. Once downloaded it shouldn't download it again.


    If I watch the bandwidth on myserver before, during and after I connect to listen to a stream, I can see the bandwidth change in real time. Before I connect it's just normal network chatter at ~1kbps give or take, when I
    connect and play the stream at 64kbps it fluctuates between 5-8KiB/s and as soon as i press the stop button the bandwidth usage goes back to ~1kbps.

    This is really confusing me now as you're obviously having some issue, but
    for the love of it I cannot fathom why or how it's the radio causing it. Without any real log info or anything reproducable either I can't even go to the developers to ask for their aid.

    I don't know what to suggest.

    ---
    |14Best regards,
    |11Ch|03rist|11ia|15n |11a|03ka |11Me|03aTLoT|11io|15N

    |07── |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07── |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07───┐ |07── |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07── |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07┬──┘ |07── |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07─┬ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07───┘
    |07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Quantum Wormhole, Ramsgate, UK. bbs.erb.pw (21:1/158)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Adept on Sun Jun 7 13:34:00 2020
    It'd be nice if there were an easy and obvious way to temporarily blacklist all internet traffic from a computer, and then easily
    whitelist only the requests you want.

    Possibly easier to implement at your firewall... doesn't catch stuff thats ìusing regular open ports much though...

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Adept on Wed Jun 10 12:31:41 2020
    On 06 Jun 2020, Adept said the following...

    It'd be nice if there were an easy and obvious way to temporarily blacklist all internet traffic from a computer, and then easily
    whitelist only the requests you want.

    The early versions of ZoneAlarm did that. When you first installed it, it would block ALL traffic going anywhere. You then would get 40,000 pop-ups
    from your system tray asking: "Do you want to allow IEXPLORE.EXE to access the internet?"

    You would then have to hit Yes or No for each and every program that was requesting internet access. This was fine for things you knew were running
    like Internet Explorer, MSN Messenger or ICQ.

    For other things that seemed cryptic like random DLL files asking for network access, people would deny access and then suddenly your computer could no longer access the internet because you just blocked all DNS requests.

    They quickly moved from the block all & allowlist approach to the (now) more common allow all & blocklist, in an effort to become more user friendly.

    You may be able to configure the built-in Windows firewall in a similar fashion, but I haven't played with it.

    Jay

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Northern Realms BBS | bbs.nrbbs.net | Binbrook, ON (21:3/110)
  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Warpslide on Wed Jun 10 22:56:24 2020
    You may be able to configure the built-in Windows firewall in a similar fashion, but I haven't played with it.

    Yeah, that seems to fail the "easy and obvious" qualification that I had.

    Certainly, some amount of it is easy enough (e.g., much of what might happen with windows stuff in the background is something that you can avoid by
    setting the connection as a metered connection), but a lot of it would
    require doing firewall things like you're talking about. Generally there's a way, it's just a matter of how painful to get there.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From Lord Gareth@21:4/174 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Jun 12 18:33:55 2020
    Yeah, the DMCA stuff has been a bit extreme lately. It tends to go in cycles where labels get super clingy over their property being used and then back
    off when they figure out it is actually good for exposure.

    Honestly, copyright is so stinking broken now. Expect another extension in
    the next year or so because Steamboat Willie is almost up for public domain
    and we KNOW Disney isn't going to let that junk slide.

    I'm glad that there are artists who own the rights to their own music and let things like qUAntUm RaDio use their music. Home-based recording studios, Bandcamp, and other services are slowly making labels obsolete.

    Keep up the great work!

    - Lord Gareth

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/05/17 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: Mirrored Lands BBS (21:4/174)
  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Lord Gareth on Fri Jun 12 23:21:47 2020
    Honestly, copyright is so stinking broken now. Expect another extension in the next year or so because Steamboat Willie is almost up for public domain and we KNOW Disney isn't going to let that junk slide.

    I was in disbelief that they let items go into the public domain again. I had talked about it as an important aspect to the 2016 race that _no one_ talked about, and this irritated me, because it was something that was likely to happen over the next four years.

    And, oddly, I'm fairly hopeful on them allowing Steamboat Willie into the public domain. It surprises me, these days, but I think they realized that
    they can control things in a variety of other ways, thus the hassle of
    another copyright extension wasn't worth it.

    But I'm probably wrong. Still irritates me how the US Supreme Court so obviously misinterpreted the US constitution back in 1996.

    I still wait for the time when the world gets copyright that advances science and arts by doing things like how Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back should
    be entering the public domain around now. Maybe the US declining as a power will help that.

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Lord Gareth on Sat Jun 13 00:37:10 2020
    I'm glad that there are artists who own the rights to their own music
    and let things like qUAntUm RaDio use their music. Home-based recording studios, Bandcamp, and other services are slowly making labels obsolete.

    Keep up the great work!

    - Lord Gareth

    Thanks man, I'm just doing something that I am able to do for the benefit of the scene and everyone in it. Past, present and future.

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