• Testing :)

    From toofargone@21:4/132.1 to All on Wed Jan 9 00:54:00 2019
    Testing MagickaBBS :)

    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/armv7l)
    * Origin: Fusion ~ MagickaBBS (21:4/132.1)
  • From Al@21:4/106 to toofargone on Tue Jan 8 06:35:30 2019
    Testing MagickaBBS :)

    Lookin' good! :)

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)
  • From toofargone@21:4/132.1 to Al on Wed Jan 9 02:18:56 2019
    Thanks Al :)

    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/armv7l)
    * Origin: Fusion ~ MagickaBBS (21:4/132.1)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to toofargone on Wed Jan 9 18:46:00 2019
    On 01-08-19 19:54, toofargone wrote to All <=-

    Testing MagickaBBS :)

    Cool! :D


    ... The truth will set you free. But first it'll piss you off.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From toofargone@21:4/132.1 to Vk3jed on Wed Jan 9 19:22:13 2019
    Cool! :D

    It is! It's really nice! Now I just have to keep prodding apam to do more
    work on it ;) LOL

    It also finally forced me to learn binkd which wasn't that hard after
    all! Once I fixed all my typos that is :>

    All running on my pi side by side with mystic. Ah I should probably set
    my backups to back up Magica too!

    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/armv7l)
    * Origin: Fusion ~ MagickaBBS (21:4/132.1)
  • From apam@21:1/125 to toofargone on Wed Jan 9 19:00:37 2019
    It is! It's really nice! Now I just have to keep prodding apam to do more work on it ;) LOL

    Haha, I will likely get more done after school holidays finish, it's been
    busy with family coming to visit, my development computer died, and wife
    and I are going away for a week on friday.

    Andrew


    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: The Fat Sandwich - sandwich.hopto.org:2023 (21:1/125)
  • From Michael Borthwick@21:4/132.1 to apam on Wed Jan 9 20:19:56 2019
    Haha, I will likely get more done after school holidays finish, it's been busy with family coming to visit, my development computer died, and wife and I are going away for a week on friday.

    Imagine ditching me for your wife! How rude!

    That's fine :)

    I can program in a few languages (C# / VB/.net) but I was
    never able to get my head around c/c++ otherwise I'd offer to join your development team :P



    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/armv7l)
    * Origin: Fusion ~ MagickaBBS (21:4/132.1)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to toofargone on Wed Jan 9 22:19:00 2019
    On 01-09-19 14:22, toofargone wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Cool! :D

    It is! It's really nice! Now I just have to keep prodding apam to do
    more work on it ;) LOL

    LOL

    It also finally forced me to learn binkd which wasn't that hard after
    all! Once I fixed all my typos that is :>

    Yeah I was already using binkd with SBBS, so that wasn't an issue with Magicka.

    All running on my pi side by side with mystic. Ah I should probably set
    my backups to back up Magica too!

    I have Magicka on a separate netbook.


    ... A sharp tongue and a dull mind are usually found in the same head!
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Thu Jan 10 01:39:27 2019
    Hey good sir, you cooling down a bit now?

    Been average here today, I did little, watched some USA political dramas
    unfold on CNN later in the day, earlier went for a 45 min walk, burned 400
    odd calories, investigated some ways to seal up leaks in a concrete fish
    pond, was dads taxi for my daughter, little bit of BBS time, watched some nat geo doco on the early internet... not that good, but it was about the changes over the last 50 years.

    Dialup got panned by the critics but I think if it were not for that where would we be now? So thumbs up for early interconnected tech I say :)


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Thu Jan 10 01:40:14 2019
    On 09 Jan 2019, apam pondered and said...

    busy with family coming to visit, my development computer died, and wife and I are going away for a week on friday.

    Have a good trip / break away. Going far? New Zealand is nice :)


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Michael Borthwick on Thu Jan 10 01:41:57 2019
    On 09 Jan 2019, Michael Borthwick pondered and said...

    I can program in a few languages (C# / VB/.net) but I was
    never able to get my head around c/c++ otherwise I'd offer to join your development team :P

    I am (once again) starting to watch a video training series on Udemy about learning Python... so I'm just (slowly) starting out. Perhaps 2019 will be
    the year I finally master some of this stuff. I have wanted to but I have
    also procrastinated and been spread across other 'squirrel' projects that popped up and appealed also... know the feeling? :)


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From apam@21:1/125 to Avon on Wed Jan 9 23:10:07 2019
    On 09 Jan 2019, apam pondered and said...

    busy with family coming to visit, my development computer died, a
    and I are going away for a week on friday.

    Have a good trip / break away. Going far? New Zealand is nice :)

    Thanks :)

    Haha, I would love to go to New Zealand one day or maybe canada. No,
    we're just going to the sunshine coast. Not even leaving the state.

    Andrew

    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: The Fat Sandwich - sandwich.hopto.org:2023 (21:1/125)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Thu Jan 10 02:22:46 2019
    On 09 Jan 2019, apam pondered and said...

    Haha, I would love to go to New Zealand one day or maybe canada. No,
    we're just going to the sunshine coast. Not even leaving the state.


    I saw a report on our local news a couple of nights back that the weather, temps, tides etc. had combined in to some massive thing that encouraged bluebottles numbers to swell. Beaches were being closed etc... so be careful
    :)

    I'd also like to visit Canada, and yeah NZ is cool too (just saying :))


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From apam@21:1/125 to Avon on Wed Jan 9 23:54:55 2019
    I saw a report on our local news a couple of nights back that the
    weather, temps, tides etc. had combined in to some massive thing that encouraged bluebottles numbers to swell. Beaches were being closed
    etc... so be careful :)

    Yeah, I won't be going in the water. I think the place we're staying has
    a pool - which doesn't have sharks in it. If we go to the beach I suspect
    we'll be staying on the sand, not sure if bluebottles go on the sand too
    - I will keep my eye out :)

    Andrew

    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: The Fat Sandwich - sandwich.hopto.org:2023 (21:1/125)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Thu Jan 10 01:16:00 2019
    On 01-09-19 20:39, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hey good sir, you cooling down a bit now?

    Got a few days reprieve, only 26 today - pleasant with a cool breeze. 29 tomorrow, then the heat's on, into the high 30s over the weekend and the 40s early next week.

    Been average here today, I did little, watched some USA political
    dramas unfold on CNN later in the day, earlier went for a 45 min walk, burned 400 odd calories, investigated some ways to seal up leaks in a concrete fish pond, was dads taxi for my daughter, little bit of BBS

    I had a quiet day. We did a bit of shopping in the morning, then chilled out. Bought hubby a new monitor for his birthday.

    time, watched some nat geo doco on the early internet... not that good, but it was about the changes over the last 50 years.

    There's certainly been a few! :)

    Dialup got panned by the critics but I think if it were not for that
    where would we be now? So thumbs up for early interconnected tech I say
    :)

    Dialup got us going, hitching a ride on the telecommunication network of the day. We're still doing the same thing, just that the network is for high speed data rather than voice, and a lot more versatile these days!


    ... Uncertainty: Finding your wife reading your Will.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Al@21:4/106 to Vk3jed on Wed Jan 9 06:41:28 2019
    Got a few days reprieve, only 26 today - pleasant with a cool breeze. 29 tomorrow, then the heat's on, into the high 30s over the weekend and the 40s early next week.

    I made my way home in fresh snowfall.

    It's nice to read about those 30-40 temps though!

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)
  • From StackFault@21:1/172 to apam on Wed Jan 9 12:16:24 2019
    Haha, I would love to go to New Zealand one day or maybe canada. No,
    we're just going to the sunshine coast. Not even leaving the state.

    Come visit the Old Quebe

    |15 ▀ ▐ |15StackFault |08<|03.|11.|15P|11h|03EN|11o|15M|11.|03.|08>
    |11 ▌ ▀ |11The Bottomless Abyss BBS
    |03 ▀ ▌▀ |03ssh|08.|072222 |08/ |03telnet|08.|072023 |08/ |03https
    |08 ▄■▐ |08bbs|07.|08bottomlessabyss|07.|08net

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Bottomless Abyss BBS ■ bbs.bottomlessabyss.net (21:1/172)
  • From J. Adam Gosselin@21:1/183 to Avon on Wed Jan 9 13:19:00 2019
    Avon, to Vk3jed...

    Dialup got panned by the critics but I think if it were not for that
    where would we be now? So thumbs up for early interconnected tech I say
    :)

    What generation were the commentators from? Sounds like a bunch of
    Millineals that don't know what they are talking about. It would be like
    me commenting on vynil records when I grew up on compact cassette tapes.

    I apologize, I get upset when Millineals make side comments about life
    before the Internet when they never experienced it themselves. Same goes
    for their snide comments about retro games like Wolfenstien 3D or Commander Keen.

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!

    ... Great thing about UDP jokes? I don't care if you get them.
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.51
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From Michael Borthwick@21:4/132.1 to Avon on Thu Jan 10 11:27:54 2019
    I am (once again) starting to watch a video training series on Udemy
    about learning Python... so I'm just (slowly) starting out. Perhaps 2019 will be the year I finally master some of this stuff. I have wanted to
    but I have also procrastinated and been spread across other 'squirrel' projects that popped up and appealed also... know the feeling? :)

    Yes I got that feeling at my last job every day... I had several major
    projects to focus on (spent most of my day in the coffee room trying not
    to do them) all while being taken off the projects (yay) to do stupid
    tasks for individual people that had no real bearing on the overall project..... some days I would just wake up and think why bother
    anymore...

    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/armv7l)
    * Origin: Fusion ~ MagickaBBS (21:4/132.1)
  • From Michael Borthwick@21:4/132.1 to Avon on Thu Jan 10 11:36:09 2019
    I am (once again) starting to watch a video training series on Udemy
    about learning Python... so I'm just (slowly) starting out. Perhaps 2019

    Best way imo to learn a programming language is to think of a very small utility that would benefit you and work on it until you've finished it
    then move on to another... soon enough you'll be able to tackle the
    bigger projects.

    The problem with keeping cigars in Australia is the heat! A standard
    humidor is useless unless you run A/C into it all the time (which gets expensive) so I bought a freezer. Freezing cigars also isn't any good for
    them so I needed a thermostat. I thought I could just buy one but why not
    make one.

    So I grabbed an arduino and began making leds blink and a speaker
    crackle....

    Eventually I coded a thermostat that takes in 7 inputs from temperature
    sensors within the freezer and one outside... the outside temp sensor is
    used to monitor the outside temperature and shorten the cycle time on
    extremly hot days... the freezer is controlled by several relays
    controlled by the arduino...

    The thing runs like clockwork and even logs the temperatures and freezer
    cycles to thingspeak (IOT)... it's quite complicated bit of coding but I
    did it bit by bit until it was all one app :)

    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/armv7l)
    * Origin: Fusion ~ MagickaBBS (21:4/132.1)
  • From nristen@21:1/161 to Michael Borthwick on Wed Jan 9 21:32:22 2019
    Eventually I coded a thermostat that takes in 7 inputs from temperature sensors within the freezer and one outside... the outside temp sensor is used to monitor the outside temperature and shorten the cycle time on extremly hot days... the freezer is controlled by several relays controlled by the arduino...

    Very Cool!

    Nristen
    aka karl harris
    keybase.io/nristen

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A41 2018/12/27 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: The Search BBS (21:1/161)
  • From Michael Borthwick@21:4/132.1 to nristen on Thu Jan 10 15:23:07 2019
    Very Cool!

    Thanks! It's amazing what you can do with an arduino.. they have so many
    parts like lcd displays, gps units... you can pretty much do anything!!

    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/armv7l)
    * Origin: Fusion ~ MagickaBBS (21:4/132.1)
  • From Chai to J. Adam Gosselin on Thu Jan 10 01:24:00 2019
    J. Adam Gosselin wrote to Avon <=-

    I apologize, I get upset when Millineals make side comments about life before the Internet when they never experienced it themselves. Same
    goes for their snide comments about retro games like Wolfenstien 3D or Commander Keen.

    A couple of years ago, I had a Gen Z tell me that her age group invented emojis, and that older people simply didn't get it. I believe graphical emojis were available in AIM back in the ME/2000 era. Unless by
    emoji she simply meant phone emojis, but I believe those existed around
    2k somewhere, +/-. If we really want to be technical, emojis evolved from
    text emoticons going back to the 70's.



    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to J. Adam Gosselin on Thu Jan 10 19:57:00 2019
    On 01-09-19 08:19, J. Adam Gosselin wrote to Avon <=-

    What generation were the commentators from? Sounds like a bunch of Millineals that don't know what they are talking about. It would be
    like me commenting on vynil records when I grew up on compact cassette tapes.

    Yes, some of us were there, and vinyl was the bees knees back then, unless you had a studio quality reel to reel tape deck. :)

    I apologize, I get upset when Millineals make side comments about life before the Internet when they never experienced it themselves. Same
    goes for their snide comments about retro games like Wolfenstien 3D or Commander Keen.

    I remember when Space Invaders came to town and that was a big deal! Queues 10 deep at the local fish and chip shop, and when I got to play, was wiped out in 2 or 3 minutes! :D I was only around 10 at the time.

    Yes, I remember life before the Internet, video games, ATMs (lots of time spent sitting in the car waiting for Mum or Dad to do the banking), VCRs and other technologies we take for granted. But we kept ourselves amosed, playing outside, board games, hobbies, watching a bit of TV or reading a book. :)


    ... A great deal of money is never enough once you have it.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Chai on Thu Jan 10 20:00:00 2019
    On 01-09-19 20:24, Chai wrote to J. Adam Gosselin <=-

    A couple of years ago, I had a Gen Z tell me that her age group
    invented emojis, and that older people simply didn't get it. I believe graphical emojis were available in AIM back in the ME/2000 era. Unless
    by emoji she simply meant phone emojis, but I believe those existed
    around 2k somewhere, +/-. If we really want to be technical, emojis evolved from text emoticons going back to the 70's.

    Yes, emoticons were the start of it. And some modern emoji implementations (frustatingly!) don't respond to the traditional character sequences used in the ASCII days. Some do, however, which is really neat. People wonder how I get emojis up so quickly in things like FB Messenger - I simply use the good old keystrokes like ;-) or :-( :D.


    ... Dyslexic State Trooper spends all night handing out IUD's.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Michael Borthwick on Thu Jan 10 20:14:00 2019
    On 01-10-19 06:36, Michael Borthwick wrote to Avon <=-

    Best way imo to learn a programming language is to think of a very
    small utility that would benefit you and work on it until you've
    finished it then move on to another... soon enough you'll be able to tackle the bigger projects.

    That is true. I taught myself PIC assembler around 10-12 years ago that way. :) Today, I'm more likely to pick up the Arduino language (rather C like).


    ... It ain't over, but the fat lady is clearing her throat.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Thu Jan 10 22:32:18 2019
    On 09 Jan 2019, apam pondered and said...

    Yeah, I won't be going in the water. I think the place we're staying has
    a pool - which doesn't have sharks in it. If we go to the beach I suspect we'll be staying on the sand, not sure if bluebottles go on the sand too
    - I will keep my eye out :)


    The only place in New Zealand I have ever had issues with was Nelson, on a
    trip a few years ago, we were in the water and had to get out quickly!
    I hope you can find a few new places to sample some local beers too :)


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Thu Jan 10 22:36:54 2019
    On 09 Jan 2019, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    Got a few days reprieve, only 26 today - pleasant with a cool breeze. 29 tomorrow, then the heat's on, into the high 30s over the weekend and the 40s early next week.

    MMmmmm you can have that :) It's mid to late teens here and that's fine, so long as we get some sun, and that's been kinda hit and miss as of late.

    I had a quiet day. We did a bit of shopping in the morning, then
    chilled out. Bought hubby a new monitor for his birthday.

    Oooh nice, what did he get? I'd like to do the same sometime but there are other more pressing things our house needs done to it that justify the $$
    being spent on that first.

    time, watched some nat geo doco on the early internet... not that goo but it was about the changes over the last 50 years.

    There's certainly been a few! :)

    I know nutty eh. It seems in some ways only recently that stuff happened but the show talked about kids that are at school never knowing anything
    different and it kinda blew me away.

    Dialup got us going, hitching a ride on the telecommunication network of the day. We're still doing the same thing, just that the network is for high speed data rather than voice, and a lot more versatile these days!

    I agree. I also like to play with any new tweaks to said network or even new versions of networks.


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to J. Adam Gosselin on Thu Jan 10 22:41:32 2019
    On 09 Jan 2019, J. Adam Gosselin pondered and said...

    Dialup got panned by the critics but I think if it were not for that where would we be now? So thumbs up for early interconnected tech I s :)

    What generation were the commentators from? Sounds like a bunch of Millineals that don't know what they are talking about. It would be like me commenting on vynil records when I grew up on compact cassette tapes.

    Well the dude looked late 40s and seemed to have lived through most of it.
    But his title was 'tech critic' so I thought at the time he was just 'doing
    his job' but still...

    I apologize, I get upset when Millineals make side comments about life before the Internet when they never experienced it themselves. Same goes for their snide comments about retro games like Wolfenstien 3D or Commander Keen.

    Oh I agree completely. I think if it were not for the tech of that era and
    the developments in gaming etc. that happened they would not be where they
    are now. And I also *love* the fact that a lot of that stuff can still work just as well and often in a far less complicated way than things on offer now :) Yay to BBS :)


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Michael Borthwick on Thu Jan 10 22:44:59 2019
    On 10 Jan 2019, Michael Borthwick pondered and said...

    I am (once again) starting to watch a video training series on Udemy about learning Python... so I'm just (slowly) starting out. Perhaps 20 will be the year I finally master some of this stuff. I have wanted to but I have also procrastinated and been spread across other 'squirrel' projects that popped up and appealed also... know the feeling? :)

    Yes I got that feeling at my last job every day... I had several major projects to focus on (spent most of my day in the coffee room trying not to do them) all while being taken off the projects (yay) to do stupid tasks for individual people that had no real bearing on the overall project..... some days I would just wake up and think why bother anymore...

    I just did the 'squirrel' thing and started to revisit some basic Git stuff I have only used a few times by reviewing a training video series I found
    online a few months back

    https://www.pluralsight.com/courses/code-school-git-real

    So Python is still in the hunt but using Git to create a few repos is
    something I also want to work on in the coming weeks.

    As for you're comments, man .. I feel your pain. I often get pulled from task to task in my work role too... and it can feel the same way at times.. so you're not alone.


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Michael Borthwick@21:4/132.1 to Avon on Thu Jan 10 21:01:34 2019
    As for you're comments, man .. I feel your pain. I often get pulled from task to task in my work role too... and it can feel the same way at times.. so you're not alone.

    Unfortunately I have a very short temper and usually told my manager what
    a complete waste of my time.

    Just because some twit doesn't know how to use word and I have to sit
    with him for a day teaching him word..... get a dummies guide for heavens sake!!

    It's not like I was designing a reporting system for the quality
    department so they can easily see where the tradesmen are completely
    screwing an 8 billion dollar project up...

    Or it's not like at the same time i'm designing a reporting system so the client can approve the work we've done so far and pay us for the week so
    we all get paid on friday.....

    Nooooo...... teaching someone how to center text in word is now my
    highest priority.....

    Ugg.

    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/armv7l)
    * Origin: Fusion ~ MagickaBBS (21:4/132.1)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Fri Jan 11 00:27:07 2019
    On 10 Jan 2019, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    I remember when Space Invaders came to town and that was a big deal! Queues 10 deep at the local fish and chip shop, and when I got to play, was wiped out in 2 or 3 minutes! :D I was only around 10 at the time.

    I also remember these as the sit down gaming desks, then the stand up
    arcades, I also got the Atari 2600 game and spent hours clocking it.
    I bought a light that you can shine up on your ceiling for $3 from KMart the other day. It has the space invaders characters in multiple colours on it. I may have already posted about it. But it appealed to my inner child :)

    VCRs and other technologies we take for granted. But we kept ourselves amosed, playing outside, board games, hobbies, watching a bit of TV or reading a book. :)

    BBSing, at 1200 baud heh :)


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Michael Borthwick on Fri Jan 11 00:29:31 2019
    On 10 Jan 2019, Michael Borthwick pondered and said...

    Nooooo...... teaching someone how to center text in word is now my
    highest priority.....

    I find at work I am often called upon as the on the spot IT guy who can solve things as i 'know about computer stuff' and for the most part I'm fine
    helping and doing that. But there are times also that I wonder about the
    skill level of some of the folks I work with :)


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Michael Borthwick@21:4/132.1 to Avon on Thu Jan 10 23:17:51 2019
    I find at work I am often called upon as the on the spot IT guy who can solve things as i 'know about computer stuff' and for the most part I'm fine helping and doing that. But there are times also that I wonder about the skill level of some of the folks I work with :)

    I think people should take the time to do a two weekend short course in
    common office applications if they don't have a clue.. it will help them
    in their employment greatly. Unfortunatley i've run into so many that
    think on the job training is best.

    But that applies to common applications like word, excel, outlook, web browsers.... Don't expect them to go out and learn complicated specialist
    in house software :)

    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/armv7l)
    * Origin: Fusion ~ MagickaBBS (21:4/132.1)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Michael Borthwick on Fri Jan 11 02:38:59 2019
    On 10 Jan 2019, Michael Borthwick pondered and said...

    I think people should take the time to do a two weekend short course in common office applications if they don't have a clue.. it will help them in their employment greatly. Unfortunatley i've run into so many that think on the job training is best.

    I agree. What's surprising is that they get the job with such a lack of what I'd deem basic skills in this day in age. Still often some folks get promoted for other things and then rely on others to 'get stuff done'

    LinkedIn learning is quite good. I have not used it as much as I should have but when I got a premium membership I discovered it opened up access to all
    the acquired Linda.com content.

    browsers.... Don't expect them to go out and learn complicated specialist in house software :)

    Do you think there is less and less of that? I ask as it seems all the focus
    is on moving to the cloud and trying to reduce dependency on more bespoke systems it seems.


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Michael Borthwick@21:4/132.1 to Avon on Fri Jan 11 02:03:28 2019
    Do you think there is less and less of that? I ask as it seems all the focus is on moving to the cloud and trying to reduce dependency on more bespoke systems it seems.

    Depends on the industry and the size of the company and project worth.
    The company I worked for was working on an 8 billion project so we had
    document control, inventory management, financial control and project
    control systems.

    All systems were specific software run on in house servers.

    We looked at moving our document control systems from an in house system
    to an international cloud based system, we met with their reps a number
    of times, showed what we were using and what we needed... they gave us a
    $250k quote to move to their system in the cloud.... needless to say we
    stayed with what we had.

    Smaller companies with tiny doc control needs probably could get it done
    for a few grand.

    Personally I hate cloud based software and services. I'm old fashioned.
    If we've got the server running in the building we have full control of
    the system.

    I have a fear that with cloud based services you put all your eggs in
    someone elses basket.. if they go down for day then there isn't anything
    you can do about it.... even worse if they go bust and all your data is
    locked up in their office somewhere... but i'm just paranoid

    --- MagickaBBS v0.12alpha (Linux/armv7l)
    * Origin: Fusion ~ MagickaBBS (21:4/132.1)
  • From J. Adam Gosselin@21:1/183 to Vk3jed on Thu Jan 10 10:59:00 2019
    Vk3jed, to J. Adam Gosselin...

    Yes, I remember life before the Internet, video games, ATMs (lots of
    time spent sitting in the car waiting for Mum or Dad to do the
    banking), VCRs and other technologies we take for granted. But we kept ourselves amosed, playing outside, board games, hobbies, watching a bit
    of TV or reading a book. :)

    Exactly! I am not sure if I am a Gen-X of older Millineal (born on 1982),
    but I did play outside a lot when I was a kid. I remember that me and a neighbor kid would play with Legos, toy guns, and ride bikes around the
    block.

    Then when I became a teen and the Internet was starting to become plpular, that all changed.

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!

    ... Just wait a moment, about 5 minutes...
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.51
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From J. Adam Gosselin@21:1/183 to Avon on Thu Jan 10 12:27:00 2019
    Avon, to J. Adam Gosselin...

    I apologize, I get upset when Millineals make side comments about life before the Internet when they never experienced it themselves. Same goes for their snide comments about retro games like Wolfenstien 3D or Commander Keen.

    Oh I agree completely. I think if it were not for the tech of that era
    and the developments in gaming etc. that happened they would not be
    where they are now. And I also *love* the fact that a lot of that stuff can still work just as well and often in a far less complicated way
    than things on offer now :) Yay to BBS :)

    No kidding. I have Magic DOSBox installed on my cell phone with the FreeDOS utilities, FreeBASIC compiler, and MultiMail. All of that, along with GhostCommander, to read and write messages for BBSes and to work on my
    ANSI art editor. Very psinless to set up, if you know what you're doing
    and know tbe right people to ask. ;)

    I just need to spend more time on getting Git to work in my phone so that I can commit and push directly to Github without having to transfer files
    from my phone to the PC.

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!

    ... I can write a GUI using VB to trace the hacker's IP. -- CSI:NY
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.51
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Michael Borthwick on Fri Jan 11 15:24:03 2019
    On 10 Jan 2019, Michael Borthwick pondered and said...

    Personally I hate cloud based software and services. I'm old fashioned.
    If we've got the server running in the building we have full control of the system.

    I have a fear that with cloud based services you put all your eggs in someone elses basket.. if they go down for day then there isn't anything you can do about it.... even worse if they go bust and all your data is locked up in their office somewhere... but i'm just paranoid

    I agree with you. I like the idea of redundancy but not at the cost of a loss of control over what mainstream consumers are starting to wake up to - their data.


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to J. Adam Gosselin on Fri Jan 11 15:25:16 2019
    On 10 Jan 2019, J. Adam Gosselin pondered and said...

    I just need to spend more time on getting Git to work in my phone so
    that I can commit and push directly to Github without having to transfer files from my phone to the PC.

    I've just started to learn and use Git and Github etc, again after a bit of a play last year. I agree it's a great tool.


    ──── E∙avon@bbs.nz ────── W∙bbs.nz ─── ──── K∙keybase.io/avon ──────────────

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Fri Jan 11 02:26:00 2019
    On 01-10-19 17:36, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    MMmmmm you can have that :) It's mid to late teens here and that's
    fine, so long as we get some sun, and that's been kinda hit and miss as
    of late.

    That's barely spring conditions here. If we were getting that in summer, we'd be royally pissed off! Melbourne is having a sucky summer, with mostly low 20s, while we've had a ripper here inland. :)

    Oooh nice, what did he get? I'd like to do the same sometime but there
    are other more pressing things our house needs done to it that justify
    the $$ being spent on that first.

    Just a fairly standard 24" monitor. Nothing too fancy, but he chose the one he wanted in the store. :)

    I know nutty eh. It seems in some ways only recently that stuff
    happened but the show talked about kids that are at school never
    knowing anything different and it kinda blew me away.

    We're in a unique generation that has seen the transition to a high tech world.

    Dialup got us going, hitching a ride on the telecommunication network of the day. We're still doing the same thing, just that the network is for high speed data rather than voice, and a lot more versatile these days!

    I agree. I also like to play with any new tweaks to said network or
    even new versions of networks.

    Yes, we live in an amazing age when it seems anything is possible with a bit of waiting and ingenuity. :)


    ... A great deal of money is never enough once you have it.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Fri Jan 11 02:32:00 2019
    On 01-10-19 19:27, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I also remember these as the sit down gaming desks, then the stand up arcades, I also got the Atari 2600 game and spent hours clocking it.

    The stand up machines came first for me, and the sit down ones were a lot less common.

    I bought a light that you can shine up on your ceiling for $3 from
    KMart the other day. It has the space invaders characters in multiple colours on it. I may have already posted about it. But it appealed to
    my inner child :)

    Nice and geeky! I love it! :D

    VCRs and other technologies we take for granted. But we kept ourselves amosed, playing outside, board games, hobbies, watching a bit of TV or reading a book. :)

    BBSing, at 1200 baud heh :)

    No, that came later for me. Had to wait until I left home in 1991. But once I discovered BBSs, I never looked back!


    ... Adam to Eve-> 'I'll wear the plants in this family'.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Michael Borthwick on Fri Jan 11 18:29:00 2019
    On 01-10-19 18:17, Michael Borthwick wrote to Avon <=-

    I think people should take the time to do a two weekend short course in common office applications if they don't have a clue.. it will help
    them in their employment greatly. Unfortunatley i've run into so many
    that think on the job training is best.

    I used to work for a training company. This did mean I didn't have to do the basic Word or Excell support, as we had trainers who were better suited to those tasks (it was their job afterall!), leaving me free to deal with bigger issues.

    However, one thing I did notice is most people lose the ability to generalise when it comes to technology. For a training company, this is great, because every new update of Word, Excel, etc, means returning clients! For me, it was an amusing observation, because my IT skills are so generic that once I have the basics, I can transfer them to a wide range of activities.

    But that applies to common applications like word, excel, outlook, web browsers.... Don't expect them to go out and learn complicated
    specialist in house software :)

    Agree, it is good for a company's productivity to send their employees on a short course or two so they can more effectively use their common productivity applications. As for the in house software, we had a solution for those too. We would simply hire out a room to companies, who would then provide their own training to staff on those in house systems. Room hires were always interesting, because from an IT point of view, there was a lot of problem solving done to work out how best to provide the clients with the environment that they needed to conduct their training. There was also a bit of troubleshooting from time to time, like the time a client tried to connect to their back end database over 33.6k modem initially, then 64k ISDN, only to find that the protocol was so "chatty" that the latency made it unusable, even over ISDN.

    In the end, they provided a training server with sufficient data to conduct training, to be installed on the LAN. This solved the latency related performance issues.


    ... Disassembler: An unattended 5 year old child.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to J. Adam Gosselin on Fri Jan 11 18:43:00 2019
    On 01-10-19 05:59, J. Adam Gosselin wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Vk3jed, to J. Adam Gosselin...

    Yes, I remember life before the Internet, video games, ATMs (lots of
    time spent sitting in the car waiting for Mum or Dad to do the
    banking), VCRs and other technologies we take for granted. But we kept ourselves amosed, playing outside, board games, hobbies, watching a bit
    of TV or reading a book. :)

    Exactly! I am not sure if I am a Gen-X of older Millineal (born on
    1982), but I did play outside a lot when I was a kid. I remember that
    me and a neighbor kid would play with Legos, toy guns, and ride bikes around the block.

    Hmm, VCRs and electronic gaming (both arcade and home console) were around by then, as were computers like the Vic 20, Apple ][ and possibly C64. You were already born into the start of the computer age. :) I'm talking about being born in the late 1960s (1968 in my case). :)

    Then when I became a teen and the Internet was starting to become plpular, that all changed.

    In my teens, CDs had just been released (1983, age 15), VCRs became popular, and gaming consoles started to appear, along with handheld games. The Commodore series of computer (Vic 20 and C64) were popular, especially among gamers. Many made do with cassette storage, which was slow and tedious. The C64 did have an optional floppy disk, which helped things. :)

    I first got online (on air?) on ham packet radio in 1991, followed closely by BBSs the same year. I first got on the Internet in late 1994, at the age of 26. Back then, the Internet was still primarily used by universities, and dominated by Unix shell interfaces. Within a couple of years, however, I had transitioned to running IP over PPP over dialup modems. :) Interestingly, my first experience with IP was back in 1991 over packet radio. I used to run a multiprotocol (AX.25, NET/ROM and IP) node/router using one of the many KA9Q NOS variants running on DOS. :)

    KA9Q was interesting software, essentially its own OS, internally multitasking and with a number of built in clients and servers like telnet, SMTP, POP3, FTP, TTYLink (split screen chat). :)
    ... When it come to giving, some people stop at nothing.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Avon on Fri Jan 11 00:32:59 2019
    Avon wrote to J. Adam Gosselin <=-

    I've just started to learn and use Git and Github etc, again after a
    bit of a play last year. I agree it's a great tool.

    I am also just recently learning it. What forced me to start was apam's Magicka and doors projects. At first, I was frustrated with it and
    actually gave up running Magicka briefly. :o I realized what mostly frustrated me with it was my inability to remember the commands. Once I
    got over that (the frustration, not the memory issue!), I actuallly like
    using it.

    I still prefer package management options but, barring that, I think it is easier than some of the other roll-it-yourself options.


    ... DalekDOS v(overflow): (I)Obey (V)ision impaired (E)xterminate
    --- MultiMail
    * Origin: Possum Lodge South * possumso.fsxnet.nz:7636/SSH:2122 (21:4/134)
  • From StackFault@21:1/172 to Blue White on Fri Jan 11 12:16:26 2019
    Magicka and doors projects. At first, I was frustrated with it and actually gave up running Magicka briefly. :o I realized what mostly frustrated me with it was my inability to remember the commands. Once I got over that (the frustration, not the memory issue!), I actuallly like using it.

    Auto complete can come very handy in that case. For example on Linux, if you use zsh with the proper auto-complete config, you can have in-context command reference which is very nice.

    Cheers!

    |15 ▀ ▐ |15StackFault |08<|03.|11.|15P|11h|03EN|11o|15M|11.|03.|08>
    |11 ▌ ▀ |11The Bottomless Abyss BBS
    |03 ▀ ▌▀ |03ssh|08.|072222 |08/ |03telnet|08.|072023 |08/ |03https
    |08 ▄■▐ |08bbs|07.|08bottomlessabyss|07.|08net

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Bottomless Abyss BBS ■ bbs.bottomlessabyss.net (21:1/172)
  • From J. Adam Gosselin@21:1/183 to Vk3jed on Fri Jan 11 12:18:00 2019
    Vk3jed, to J. Adam Gosselin...

    Yes, I remember life before the Internet, video games, ATMs (lots of
    time spent sitting in the car waiting for Mum or Dad to do the
    banking), VCRs and other technologies we take for granted. But we kept ourselves amosed, playing outside, board games, hobbies, watching a bit
    of TV or reading a book. :)

    Exactly! I am not sure if I am a Gen-X of older Millineal (born on
    1982), but I did play outside a lot when I was a kid. I remember that
    me and a neighbor kid would play with Legos, toy guns, and ride bikes around the block.

    Hmm, VCRs and electronic gaming (both arcade and home console) were
    around by then, as were computers like the Vic 20, Apple ][ and
    possibly C64. You were already born into the start of the computer
    age. :) I'm talking about being born in the late 1960s (1968 in my
    case). :)

    I will give you point there, we did have a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer then abd we did have a modem for it, we just never really used it. We just
    played games on it, and I did learn how to program then.

    Then when I became a teen and the Internet was starting to become plpular, that all changed.

    In my teens, CDs had just been released (1983, age 15), VCRs became popular, and gaming consoles started to appear, along with handheld
    games. The Commodore series of computer (Vic 20 and C64) were
    popular, especially among gamers. Many made do with cassette storage, which was slow and tedious. The C64 did have an optional floppy disk, which helped things. :)

    I first got online (on air?) on ham packet radio in 1991, followed
    closely by BBSs the same year. I first got on the Internet in late
    1994, at the age of 26. Back then, the Internet was still primarily
    used by universities, and dominated by Unix shell interfaces. Within a couple of years, however, I had transitioned to running IP over PPP
    over dialup modems. :) Interestingly, my first experience with IP was back in 1991 over packet radio. I used to run a multiprotocol (AX.25, NET/ROM and IP) node/router using one of the many KA9Q NOS variants running on DOS. :)

    KA9Q was interesting software, essentially its own OS, internally multitasking and with a number of built in clients and servers like telnet, SMTP, POP3, FTP, TTYLink (split screen chat). :)

    My dad was a ham radio operator as well and he did set up something to do
    with packet radio. I remeber him trying to get something set up with an
    Atari 1040 STf, and then he switched over to an IBM PC clone with MS-DOS.
    He used somerhing called JNOS to get his node going. I also remember him setting up multiple TNCs going into some box that connected to that same
    PC, which was a 486 machine at that point. Then he upgraded the machine
    again, instslled GNU/Linux on it and set it up to be a router/server
    for the house once we got broadband Internet.

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!

    ... My monitor has two different grays of shade.
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.51
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (21:1/183)
  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to StackFault on Fri Jan 11 21:27:41 2019
    StackFault wrote to Blue White <=-

    Auto complete can come very handy in that case. For example on Linux,
    if you use zsh with the proper auto-complete config, you can have in-context command reference which is very nice.

    I use bash, and it may do that. I can scroll back through commands but I
    use the cli often enough that it is sometimes many, many commands back. :)

    The git experience did teach me something, though... I can go back through
    the .history file (I think that is the right name) and find nearly all of
    the commands I have used for months. So, if I cannot find it scrolling
    back, I can look there. :)


    ... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!"
    --- MultiMail
    * Origin: Possum Lodge South * possumso.fsxnet.nz:7636/SSH:2122 (21:4/134)
  • From StackFault@21:1/172 to Blue White on Sat Jan 12 02:55:22 2019
    Auto complete can come very handy in that case. For example on Linux, if you use zsh with the proper auto-complete config, you can have in-context command reference which is very nice.

    I use bash, and it may do that. I can scroll back through commands but I use the cli often enough that it is sometimes many, many commands back. :)

    Well, there is the history (up key that you mention) but command
    auto-complete, similar to file autocomplete with TAB but it shows you the
    next possible parameters you can enter for a command. Veru handy too.

    The git experience did teach me something, though... I can go back
    through the .history file (I think that is the right name) and find
    nearly all of the commands I have used for months. So, if I cannot find it scrolling back, I can look there. :)

    May I suggest using the following:

    history | grep <Command you search for>

    That way, you get to it very quickly and can just copy-paste it if very very long back.

    Cheers!

    |15 ▀ ▐ |15StackFault |08<|03.|11.|15P|11h|03EN|11o|15M|11.|03.|08>
    |11 ▌ ▀ |11The Bottomless Abyss BBS
    |03 ▀ ▌▀ |03ssh|08.|072222 |08/ |03telnet|08.|072023 |08/ |03https
    |08 ▄■▐ |08bbs|07.|08bottomlessabyss|07.|08net

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Bottomless Abyss BBS ■ bbs.bottomlessabyss.net (21:1/172)
  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to StackFault on Sat Jan 12 14:42:20 2019
    StackFault wrote to Blue White <=-

    May I suggest using the following:

    history | grep <Command you search for>

    That way, you get to it very quickly and can just copy-paste it if very very long back.

    Yes, you may. Thanks! :)



    ... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.
    --- MultiMail
    * Origin: Possum Lodge South * possumso.fsxnet.nz:7636/SSH:2122 (21:4/134)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to J. Adam Gosselin on Sat Jan 12 18:28:00 2019
    On 01-11-19 07:18, J. Adam Gosselin wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I will give you point there, we did have a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer then abd we did have a modem for it, we just never really used it. We just played games on it, and I did learn how to program then.

    When I had computer access in the 80s (school Apple ][s, the occasional 8 bit micro), I spent my time mainly programming. Gaming never caught on with me.

    My dad was a ham radio operator as well and he did set up something to
    do with packet radio. I remeber him trying to get something set up with an Atari 1040 STf, and then he switched over to an IBM PC clone with MS-DOS. He used somerhing called JNOS to get his node going. I also

    There were several versions of NOS, all derived from the original KA9Q. JNOS was one, as was PA0GRI NOS. Each had slightly different features.

    remember him setting up multiple TNCs going into some box that
    connected to that same PC, which was a 486 machine at that point. Then
    he upgraded the machine again, instslled GNU/Linux on it and set it up
    to be a router/server for the house once we got broadband Internet.

    I built a few Linux routers over the years from 1995 through to 2010. :)


    ... There can *be* no "appropriate tagline" for this post.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Blue White on Sat Jan 12 20:28:00 2019
    On 01-10-19 19:32, Blue White wrote to Avon <=-

    Avon wrote to J. Adam Gosselin <=-

    I've just started to learn and use Git and Github etc, again after a
    bit of a play last year. I agree it's a great tool.

    I am also just recently learning it. What forced me to start was
    apam's Magicka and doors projects. At first, I was frustrated with it
    and actually gave up running Magicka briefly. :o I realized what
    mostly frustrated me with it was my inability to remember the commands.
    Once I got over that (the frustration, not the memory issue!), I actuallly like using it.

    I have scripts for common operations like upgrading Magicka, to make it easier. :)

    I still prefer package management options but, barring that, I think it
    is easier than some of the other roll-it-yourself options.

    Seems to work well.


    ... Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Gregory Deyss@21:1/127 to Chai on Sun Jan 13 23:57:56 2019
    On 09 Jan 2019, Chai said the following...

    J. Adam Gosselin wrote to Avon <=-

    I apologize, I get upset when Millineals make side comments about
    life JAG> before the Internet when they never experienced it themselves. Same JAG> goes for their snide comments about retro games like
    Wolfenstien 3D or JAG> Commander Keen.

    A couple of years ago, I had a Gen Z tell me that her age group invented emojis, and that older people simply didn't get it.

    That's ok a co-worker of my mine who is 25 had no idea of who Heather
    Locklear was. We were discussing favorite TV shows. I felt really old.

    . ______
    _()_||__||
    ( Gregory |
    /-OO-----OO'

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A41 2018/12/27 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Capital Station BBS * telnet://csbbs.dyndns.org * (21:1/127)
  • From nathanael@21:4/123 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Jan 14 14:00:03 2019
    I felt really old.

    First time this happened to me was in grad school, ca. 1985. I was working in the cafeteria next to a couple of undergrads when a Styx song started playing.

    "Ah, an oldie," one of them young'uns said.

    I was like, "What do you mean, 'an oldie'?" Styx was my favorite band when I was in high school.

    'Course, now I refer to any movie that came out in the past couple of decades as "recent". Hard for me to believe it's been 17 years since Lord of the
    Rings hit the theaters.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A41 2018/12/27 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: *HUMONGOUS* BBS (21:4/123)
  • From Kurt Weiske@21:4/122 to Avon on Thu Jan 17 04:13:09 2019
    Re: Re: Training
    By: Avon to Michael Borthwick on Thu Jan 10 2019 09:38 pm

    LinkedIn learning is quite good. I have not used it as much as I should have but when I got a premium membership I discovered it opened up access to all the acquired Linda.com content.

    My local county library system has access to Linda.com with a free library card. I've recommended it to all of the people working under me, but they seem to equate training with a paid junket to another town, hotel room, and paid expenses.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org (21:4/122)
  • From Kurt Weiske@21:4/122 to Vk3jed on Thu Jan 17 13:57:26 2019
    Re: Re: Cooling?
    By: Vk3jed to J. Adam Gosselin on Fri Jan 11 2019 01:43 pm

    KA9Q was interesting software, essentially its own OS, internally multitasking and with a number of built in clients and servers like telnet, SMTP, POP3, FTP, TTYLink (split screen chat). :)

    Tom Jennings ran The Little Garden ISP in San Francisco on KA9Q back in the 90s. Amazing to think about running a production network on 40 mhz 386s running DOS.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org (21:4/122)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Jan 18 14:33:00 2019
    On 01-17-19 08:57, Kurt Weiske wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Tom Jennings ran The Little Garden ISP in San Francisco on KA9Q back in the 90s. Amazing to think about running a production network on 40 mhz 386s running DOS.

    I have used KA9Q on old 386s as cheap routers on a LAN myself. That software was certainly ahead of its time. :)


    ... Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Michael Borthwick@21:4/132.1 to All on Wed Jan 30 20:03:19 2019
    blah.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Linux
    * Origin: Fusion BBS ~ Newcastle Australia (21:4/132.1)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Michael Borthwick on Thu Jan 31 00:32:00 2019
    On 01-30-19 15:03, Michael Borthwick wrote to All <=-

    blah.

    blah blah. :D


    ... Nobody notices when things go right.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Michael Borthwick on Fri Feb 1 21:34:34 2019
    On 30 Jan 2019, Michael Borthwick pondered and said...

    blah.

    blah blah and mumble..

    Best, Paul

    --- E:avon@bbs.nz ------ W:bbs.nz ---
    --- K:keybase.io/avon --------------

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A42 2018/12/30 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Mon May 20 16:34:40 2019
    On 19 May 2019 at 03:20p, Vk3jed pondered and said...

    Gee, I've been slack this weekend - or otherwise occupied. Saturday was dominated by sport, starting with the Parkrun (5k) first thing in the morning, then a fast 1k cross country in the afternoon. After that, settled down to watch the election coverage.

    Today, did some track training, felt the effects of the previous hard
    day and decided rest was more appropriate than gym, so I don't overdo things. And had a quiet afternoon since then. Finally catching up on
    BBS mail. :)

    It doesn't sound very slack to me, it sounds busy busy... good to see you can fit in some BBS stuff.. I certainly know the feeling of juggling stuff right now.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/03 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Avon on Tue May 21 00:32:00 2019
    On 05-20-19 12:34, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It doesn't sound very slack to me, it sounds busy busy... good to see
    you can fit in some BBS stuff.. I certainly know the feeling of
    juggling stuff right now.

    Yeah, I like to be active. ;)

    And always good to keep up with BBS mail. ;)


    ... Monogamy leaves a lot to be desired.
    === MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Tue Jan 28 02:29:40 2020
    On 27 Jan 2020 at 08:27a, Oli pondered and said...

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 106 1/133 100
    I was super excited to watch Picard today.

    :)

    This has to be the best SEEN-BY path I have seen today :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/03 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Mon Jan 27 05:36:08 2020
    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 106 1/133 100

    This has to be the best SEEN-BY path I have seen today :)

    That did arrive in your dupe base I hope?


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- MagickaBBS v0.13alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Al on Tue Jan 28 02:48:36 2020
    On 27 Jan 2020 at 12:36a, Al pondered and said...

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 106 1/133 100

    This has to be the best SEEN-BY path I have seen today :)

    That did arrive in your dupe base I hope?

    I saw two dupes so far

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 2/100

    and

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/03 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Mon Jan 27 06:00:42 2020
    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 106 1/133 100

    This has to be the best SEEN-BY path I have seen today :)

    That did arrive in your dupe base I hope?

    I saw two dupes so far

    So the one with 4/100 and 106 arrived first?

    Some happenin' binkp servers there.. :)

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 2/100

    and

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100

    That's OK as long as they are being detected as dupes and not spamming
    the net..


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    --- MagickaBBS v0.13alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Al on Tue Jan 28 13:21:16 2020
    On 27 Jan 2020 at 01:00a, Al pondered and said...

    Some happenin' binkp servers there.. :)

    I know!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/03 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Mon Jan 27 23:10:24 2020
    On 27 Jan 2020, Avon said the following...

    @PATH: 1/151 3/100 4/100 106 1/133 100

    :)

    This has to be the best SEEN-BY path I have seen today :)

    Look at all those Frequent Flyer Miles its earned... :)


    ---

    Black Panther(RCS)
    Castle Rock BBS

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Castle Rock BBS - bbs.castlerockbbs.com (21:1/186)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Black Panther on Wed Jan 29 01:07:10 2020
    On 27 Jan 2020 at 06:10p, Black Panther pondered and said...

    Look at all those Frequent Flyer Miles its earned... :)

    It would be an interesting thought experiment to set up an echo that has but one node up and down in the chain so that we can create a really really long SEEN-BY ... does that appeal to those here :) ?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/03 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Avon on Tue Jan 28 15:52:17 2020

    28 Jan 20 20:07, you wrote to Black Panther:

    On 27 Jan 2020 at 06:10p, Black Panther pondered and said...

    Look at all those Frequent Flyer Miles its earned... :)

    It would be an interesting thought experiment to set up an echo
    that has but one node up and down in the chain so that we can
    create a really really long SEEN-BY ... does that appeal to
    those here :) ?

    You mean PATH?

    If that works we can start to introduce different ways if delivery on the path.
    HAM, modem, pre-EMSI ... UUCP?

    Also every hop should go through a different fidonet software

    --- The Shitty Tosser v1.12 A44
    * Origin: Delivered through Alternative Facts (21:1/151)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Wed Jan 29 13:32:31 2020
    On 28 Jan 2020 at 10:52a, Oli pondered and said...

    You mean PATH?

    Sorry, yes... so we deliberately set things up so that an echo takes the longest PATH we can. We could create a new test echo for this but it would
    take some coordination between nodes. I wonder what the best way to try and
    do this would be? Create a list of nodes who want to take part and then structure stuff thereafter?

    If that works we can start to introduce different ways if delivery on
    the path. HAM, modem, pre-EMSI ... UUCP?

    I can't see why a different PATH using FTN software wouldn't work...
    ideally I'd start with the BBS or other software we're using now before
    trying to introduce others, but sure I'm game to experiment with this :)

    Another idea I had/have kicking around would be how to structure things so
    that each node in the network could be meshed to others (at least one) as well as a HUB so as to build further resilience in comms.

    Creative ideas to build resilience between nodes in the network is something
    I am always interested in experimenting with :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/03 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Alter Ego@21:2/116 to Avon on Wed Jan 29 15:18:13 2020
    Re: Re: Travels
    By: Avon to Oli on Wed Jan 29 2020 08:32 am

    Another idea I had/have kicking around would be how to structure things so that each node in the network could be meshed to others (at least one) as well as a HUB so as to build further resilience in comms.

    So I started building an FTN hub with cockroachdb. cockroachdb if you are not aware, is an RDBMS (like mysql), but distributed in that no node is a master. But quorum is required for the DB to function.

    I particuarly like it because the comms between the nodes of the DB was secured
    with SSL, and SSL was required to connect (it uses postgreSQL as the protocol).

    My idea was that nodes could post to the DB (via binkd at a minimum) to any node of the DB, and collect mail (via binkd too) from any node of the DB - but it would also be possible to pick up packets using other protocols (like http, perhaps nntp, smtp, etc).

    I also envisioned that we could join zones together, so that anybody using the hub, could get any echo that was shared to it. (And yes, zone fudgieness would be taken care of...)

    I stopped working on it because of lack of time, and other things I started playing with. Perhaps I should pick it up again. (I think I got mail into it, and I was writing the export routines next...)

    Kinda would be cool - it would be 1980's technology, on 2020 technology :) ...deon


    ... The hookworm larvae enters the human body through the soul.
    --- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
    * Origin: I'm playing with ANSI+videotex - wanna play too? (21:2/116)
  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Avon on Tue Jan 28 23:30:30 2020
    On 28 Jan 2020, Avon said the following...

    It would be an interesting thought experiment to set up an echo that has but one node up and down in the chain so that we can create a really really long SEEN-BY ... does that appeal to those here :) ?

    That would be interesting. It sounds like it would be a pain to get
    everything set up...


    ---

    Black Panther(RCS)
    Castle Rock BBS

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Castle Rock BBS - bbs.castlerockbbs.com (21:1/186)
  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Black Panther on Wed Jan 29 13:36:23 2020
    28 Jan 20 18:30, you wrote to Avon:

    On 28 Jan 2020, Avon said the following...

    It would be an interesting thought experiment to set up an echo
    that has but one node up and down in the chain so that we can
    create a really really long SEEN-BY ... does that appeal to
    those here :) ?

    That would be interesting. It sounds like it would be a pain to
    get everything set up...

    Every node in the path would have to setup two links for the echo. If a new node joins or one drops out, two nodes have to reconfigure one link. To aet it up is not really complicated or painful. How well it works is another question ...


    --- Garbage v1.12💩A44
    * Origin: đŸĻ„ 🌈 (21:1/151)
  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Alter Ego on Mon Feb 3 01:10:08 2020
    On 29 Jan 2020 at 10:18a, Alter Ego pondered and said...

    So I started building an FTN hub with cockroachdb. cockroachdb if you
    are not aware, is an RDBMS (like mysql), but distributed in that no node is a master. But quorum is required for the DB to function.

    Apologies for my slow replies... interesting idea, I don't know much about DB but by the sounds of it, it functions based on numbers submitting data to it
    or somesuch?

    I particuarly like it because the comms between the nodes of the DB was secured with SSL, and SSL was required to connect (it uses postgreSQL as the protocol).

    I think anything that offers secure connections over the Internet is a good move. To date it's not something I have done much about which is naughty of
    me.

    My idea was that nodes could post to the DB (via binkd at a minimum) to any node of the DB, and collect mail (via binkd too) from any node of
    the DB - but it would also be possible to pick up packets using other protocols (like http, perhaps nntp, smtp, etc).
    I also envisioned that we could join zones together, so that anybody
    using the hub, could get any echo that was shared to it. (And yes, zone fudgieness would be taken care of...)

    So yes, you;re really talking about a FTN style HUB based on 2020 tech and offering content in a number of ways. Interesting.

    I stopped working on it because of lack of time, and other things I started playing with. Perhaps I should pick it up again. (I think I got

    Kinda would be cool - it would be 1980's technology, on 2020 technology

    Certainly an interesting idea Deon. It does sound like a HUB and spoke kinds
    of setup much like we have now with the NET HUBs and nodes.. to revisit my
    OP..

    By: Avon to Oli on Wed Jan 29 2020 08:32 am

    Another idea I had/have kicking around would be how to structure thin that each node in the network could be meshed to others (at least one well as a HUB so as to build further resilience in comms.


    So yeah, where I was going with this was to try and find creative ways to
    offer new and current nodes a means to obtain fsxNet packets that would be resilient to a HUB becoming unavailable. I was wondering about a few ways of doing this..

    - nodes could self select two other nodes in different NETs and pull/send echomail to them as well as to their assigned NET HUB, this could use current FTN polling and setup as per the way a node currently polls a HUB

    - Using something like Bit Torrent technologies for sending all packets around the network, or mirrors of JAM bases, or the last 24 hours worth of packets created so they were available somewhere for others if needed...

    But thinking about that latter idea it would likely fail as we have PATH statements and SEEN-BY lines etc. in our current FTN packets that would
    negate anyone one node from being able to use that idea.

    Perhaps a virtual but distributed HUB that any node could link to and doe the areafix and rescan from.

    I'm just making stuff up now.. :) I'd better come up with something more concrete :)

    But at the least I do like the first idea and can see options for automating that process to make it easy for all.

    Hope this finds you well and congrats on the FTSC confirmation too.

    Best, Paul

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A44 2020/02/01 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)