In the year 2020, with all of the Internet communications available, why do we still operate BBSes?
In the year 2020, with all of the Internet communications available, why do we still operate BBSes?
Why do you run a BBS in 2020? I'm curious to hear your input.
In the year 2020, with all of the Internet communications available, why do we still operate BBSes?
Hi All,
I think it's been awhile since this has been asked in here. There are
some new people on board now, that might have some good answers. :)
In the year 2020, with all of the Internet communications available, why do we still operate BBSes?
In my opinion, running a BBS in 2020 is not for the users. Those days ended in the 90s. I run Castle Rock systems for me. If other people
enjoy it, that is only a bonus.
Why do you run a BBS in 2020? I'm curious to hear your input.
In the year 2020, with all of the Internet communications available, why do we still operate BBSes?
Why do you run a BBS in 2020? I'm curious to hear your input.
In the year 2020, with all of the Internet communications available, why do we still operate BBSes?
On 09-14-20 14:21, Black Panther wrote to All <=-
Why do you run a BBS in 2020? I'm curious to hear your input.
On 09-15-20 16:51, Avon wrote to Black Panther <=-
I'm more a messages guy than a files guy, less an ansi artist and coder than many, only to happy to support anyone who wants to set up a
system, it doesn't matter what software, if it's stock and un-modded, I don't care. The fact someone wants to try things out and check out this 'world' is the main thing :)
As someone who returned to the scene in 2012 (crap I'm old!) it's been
a delight to see so many rediscover BBSing over the years, many have
come back and then left but equally many are still active now several years after they first came back to the hobby or tried it for the first time - and that gives me a lot of pleasure.
Why do you run a BBS in 2020? I'm curious to hear your input.
In the year 2020, with all of the Internet communications available, why do we still operate BBSes?
on Facebook, and then realized how much time I was wasting trying to scroll passed the posts that I didn't care about. When they decided not
to give you the posts sorted by time posted, but by their 'popularity'
In my opinion, running a BBS in 2020 is not for the users. Those days ended in the 90s. I run Castle Rock systems for me. If other people
enjoy it, that is only a bonus.
On 09-15-20 16:51, Avon wrote to Black Panther <=-
have theaptitude, coding isn't compatible with my mental health, so I do
it sparingly.But systems integration is another thing of mine, finding
ways to make thingstalk to each other
Why do you run a BBS in 2020? I'm curious to hear your input.
I may be the youngest here, but honestly I feel I'm one of the few who wishes that although tech had still evolved - but that instead of social media, we would be using BBSing to communicate and share things, because of how Social Media has been used to turn us against each other and keep us addicted to it like a electronic drug.
I may be the youngest here, but honestly I feel I'm one of the few who wishes that although tech had still evolved - but that instead of social media, we would be using BBSing to communicate and share things, because of how Social Media has been used to turn us against each other and keep us addicted to it like a electronic drug.
On 09-15-20 09:59, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I've always liked the message side more. I did and still do love trying
out software just to see what it does, and if I can get it to go beyond its design parameters, which is likely why I wound up crashing so many computers in my life.
Because it comes from a long past time when things were simpler and
sending messages to people without having to see all of the ads,
political subjects and drama all over the place is something that i've longed for for a while.
...instead of social media, we would be using BBSing
to communicate and share things, because of how Social
Media has been used to turn us against each other and keep
us addicted to it like a electronic drug.
So what if I've done nothing but sit in front of my
computer listening to a mix tape for the past half hour
with the terminal on redial waiting for the line of my
favourite BBS to free up?
I can quit anytime I want.
So what if I've done nothing but sit in front of my computer listening to a mix tape for the past half hour with the terminal on redial waiting for the line of my favourite BBS to free up?
out software just to see what it does, and if I can get it to go beyond
its design parameters, which is likely why I wound up crashing so many
computers in my life.
Because it comes from a long past time when things were simpler and
...this is not how I'm used to thinking of the '90s.
I'm also kind of ... uncomfortable with that sort of thinking, since it makes a previous time out to be idyllic, when it was anything but.
E.g., would I like more interest in BBSing, especially in whatever local area I'm at? Yes. Would I prefer a world where computers were slow,
there was no internet, messages took days to be able to respond to,
etc.? Probably not.
And that's not even getting into social issues or being _way_ more able
to get niche items that I want that would've taken hunting at a bunch of different stores -- if it was possible to get at all.
No pandemic would be nice, though.
...but I'm with you there, regardless. Certainly, in my previous experience with BBSs (or Fidonet, now), there was plenty of political subjects and drama. But there was no such thing as a never-ending feed, where you have to make an effort to pull yourself away, rather than just being done with the task.
Black Panther wrote to All <=-
In the year 2020, with all of the Internet communications available,
why do we still operate BBSes?
For me, it's a great way to meet good people, without having to deal
with the BS found on 'Social Media'. For many years, I was very active
on Facebook, and then realized how much time I was wasting trying to scroll passed the posts that I didn't care about. When they decided not
to give you the posts sorted by time posted, but by their 'popularity' rating, I figured it was time to give it up. So, my name is Dan, and
I've been free of Facebook for four years. :)
I also found that I wanted to get back into programming. Trying to jump
in to dealing with APIs and web based applications, was WAY out of my league. Programming for a BBS is primarily text based, and fairly
simple to get a complete understanding of what your doing. I started
with writing some programs that were lacking in the Mystic world, like
new file announcements, and log backups. I eventually changed over to programming in C, and was able to start writing some door games.
In my opinion, running a BBS in 2020 is not for the users. Those days ended in the 90s. I run Castle Rock systems for me. If other people
enjoy it, that is only a bonus.
Right now, I'm enjoying trying to get some programs set up that I've
never used before. A good example is getting FReqing set up. I'd also
like to try to get email through Castle Rock, for a few reasons. I've
also been working, slowly, on updating www.castlerockbbs.com. There are some major changes that are in the works there, that I think will
benefit others as well. :)
So, trying to get some legacy programs working on new systems is a challange, but also fun. The merging of different technologies, so to speak. :)
Why do you run a BBS in 2020? I'm curious to hear your input.
... Two guys walk into a bar. Why didn't the second one duck?
___ MultiMail/Linux v0.52.1(RCS)
--- Mystic BBS/QWK v1.12 A46 2020/08/25 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Castle Rock BBS - bbs.castlerockbbs.com (21:1/186)
Quoting Black Panther to All at 09-14-20 14:21 <=-
Why do you run a BBS in 2020? I'm curious to hear your input.
In the year 2020, with all of the Internet communications available, why d still operate BBSes?
Nodoka Hanamura wrote to Black Panther <=-
I may be the youngest here, but honestly I feel I'm one of the few who wishes that although tech had still evolved - but that instead of
social media, we would be using BBSing to communicate and share things, because of how Social Media has been used to turn us against each other and keep us addicted to it like a electronic drug.
Static wrote to Nodoka Hanamura <=-
So what if I've done nothing but sit in front of my computer listening
to a mix tape for the past half hour with the terminal on redial
waiting for the line of my favourite BBS to free up?
Adept wrote to Nodoka Hanamura <=-
I'm also kind of ... uncomfortable with that sort of thinking, since it makes a previous time out to be idyllic, when it was anything but.
E.g., would I like more interest in BBSing, especially in whatever
local area I'm at? Yes. Would I prefer a world where computers were
slow, there was no internet, messages took days to be able to respond
to, etc.? Probably not.
And that's not even getting into social issues or being _way_ more able
to get niche items that I want that would've taken hunting at a bunch
of different stores -- if it was possible to get at all.
No pandemic would be nice, though.
sending messages to people without having to see all of the ads,
political subjects and drama all over the place is something that i've longed for for a while.
...but I'm with you there, regardless. Certainly, in my previous experience with BBSs (or Fidonet, now), there was plenty of political subjects and drama. But there was no such thing as a never-ending feed, where you have to make an effort to pull yourself away, rather than
just being done with the task.
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
I may be the youngest here, but honestly I feel I'm one of the few who wishes that although tech had still evolved - but that instead of social media, we would be using BBSing to communicate and share things, because of how Social Media has been used to turn us against each other and keep us addicted to it like a electronic drug.
What I do miss is meeting the other sysops and users face-to-face.
We'd get together 3-4 times a year, and putting a face to the alias
made conversations much more civil, more meaningful when you
saw the person behind the opinion.
If you haven't heard of him yet, check out Jaron Lanier
- he has a couple of books and TED talks about social
media, and as the "inventor" of popular virtual reality,
he's seen the "scene" for some time.
I'm reading his book "You are not a Gadget" now, he's
got some interesting perspectives on content and
payment.
What I do miss is meeting the other sysops and users
face-to-face. We'd get together 3-4 times a year, and
putting a face to the alias made conversations much more
civil, more meaningful when you saw the person behind
the opinion.
4. The people. I used to love the local community that dial-up BBSing
5. I read what I want to read, in the order I want to read it. I get
7. The networks don't have a financial interest in influencing the tone
their youth :) Also i think, that those days, gaming, bbsing, even animation/cartoons was in their "golden era", not in graphics, but in quality.
What I do miss is meeting the other sysops and users face-to-face.
We'd get together 3-4 times a year, and putting a face to the alias
made conversations much more civil, more meaningful when you
saw the person behind the opinion.
Has anyone organized something akin to a Zoom or Skype session
to meet up? It wouldn't have the same casual "stepping away
Has anyone organized something akin to a Zoom or Skype session
to meet up? It wouldn't have the same casual "stepping away
from techonology to just have a social beer".
There's a New Zealand Facebook group I posted to a few
times about how BBSing was still active and inviting folks
to sample it again via Agency BBS etc. etc. and the
reaction was almost zero :(
What I found was that the group was really made up of
folks who enjoyed the old face to face meetups of the 90s
and had reconnected via social media. Their interest in
the medium that had brought them together the first time
around was seemingly absent. Sadly.
Maybe they didn't quite have the simple means to reconnect
with their modern pcs?
Even now, maybe the requirement for using a terminal program
probably falls on deaf ears and is an extra layer to
implement. Besides, the FB users are probably happy with the
web way of doing things, that's why they're on FB. ???
I can quit anytime I want.
You go first! LOL
300 Baud is plenty fast for anything you need to do.
Then, you hear that connect tone and you sit down in front of the
keyboard, with no idea which of the 12-odd BBSes you gang-dialed
opened up.
I can still hear Telix's little three-note connect tone...
Quoting Adept to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I lived in two different areas with active BBSs, one of which was
In both cases, I wound up with friend groups because of it.
I've gained a friend group or two in other ways, but I'm sad not to
Re: Re: Why?
By: Charles Pierson to Static on Wed Sep 16 2020 07:34:18
300 Baud is plenty fast for anything you need to do.
It's basically reading speed sure but you'll be wishing you invested in a 1200 or even 2400 when boards start getting fancy with PETSCII/ANSI art or you want to download multi-disk software without using up an entire week's worth of time. --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
On 09-16-20 07:48, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haha there's so much software around now, one has to be very selective.
:)
I am. I limit myself to "Hey that looks interesting. What can I screw
up with that?
On 09-16-20 08:07, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Adept <=-
My first thought was of trying to get an add-on card to work in the
early '90s, before the internet and before plug-and-play. I needed to
find the vendor's fax-back system telephone number, call a toll
number, have the manual faxed to my work, then drive in to retrieve
it.
Your second point is what made your first point so true. Fidonet was
king back then, but the local othernets were much more outside the
mainstream, covered local interest, and we polled more often -
I usually polled once at 8pm when the rates went down, and once
around 3am. With all of the BBSes polling a central hub, turnaround
time was pretty good, and it made for a great medium for messaging.
What I do miss is meeting the other sysops and users face-to-face.
We'd get together 3-4 times a year, and putting a face to the alias
made conversations much more civil, more meaningful when you
saw the person behind the opinion.
...but I'm with you there, regardless. Certainly, in my previous experience with BBSs (or Fidonet, now), there was plenty of political subjects and drama. But there was no such thing as a never-ending feed, where you have to make an effort to pull yourself away, rather than
just being done with the task.
On 09-17-20 12:32, Avon wrote to Ogg <=-
On 16 Sep 2020 at 07:35p, Ogg pondered and said...
Has anyone organized something akin to a Zoom or Skype session
to meet up? It wouldn't have the same casual "stepping away
Not that I know of. It's been talked about on/off over the years (well before covid-19 hit). I'd be open to joining a meet-up for the fun of
it. The issue will be the global timezones at play but I'd be prepared
to get up early or stay up late if need be to fit in :)
It's basically reading speed sure but you'll be wishing you invested in
a 1200 or even 2400 when boards start getting fancy with PETSCII/ANSI
art or you want to download multi-disk software without using up an
entire week's worth of time.
On 09-16-20 07:48, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haha there's so much software around now, one has to be very selective.
:)
I am. I limit myself to "Hey that looks interesting. What can I screw
up with that?
I tend to think a 'golden era' is usually 30 years earlier from whatever age we are :) Put another way, I think future generations will likely
see things as golden also when they look back. Perhaps it's just in our nature to do so when we look back and reflect?
I tend to think a 'golden era' is usually 30 years earlier from whatever age we are :) Put another way, I think future generations will likely
see things as golden also when they look back. Perhaps it's just in our nature to do so when we look back and reflect?
What I found was that the group was really made up of folks who enjoyed the old face to face meetups of the 90s and had reconnected via social media. Their interest in the medium that had brought them together the first time around was seemingly absent. Sadly.
Even now, maybe the requirement for using a terminal program
probably falls on deaf ears and is an extra layer to
Would be good, though I'm a bit less flexible, as my body clock doesn't tolerate such tinkering. :(
Reading this, i just realized that i am speaking exactly as my father
did to me and told me about his "golden era" of music in the 60s etc. :) So, i believe there is a big truth in what you are saying :)
I think for music a lot of what we look back and enjoy is stuff we were listening to when we were younger, from around the ages of 13-25 I think
...and just have an fTelnet instance on a web page (e.g., bbs.stormbbs.com).
But I think that doesn't tend to work all that well on a
phone, and I think a lot of people are pretty exclusively
on their phones, these days.
I think for music a lot of what we look back and enjoy is stuff we were listening to when we were younger, from around the ages of 13-25 I think ...
back from that age group now.. Although I am pushing myself to expand my tastes, I have recently acquired a taste for old Country Music, (Ray
YouTube suggested this video to me, which of course I clicked on. Those noises brought back a lot of memories.
"A history of modem sounds: 300 baud to 56k" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckc6XSSh52w
This guy explains what each different modem sound does:
"Why Does Dial Up Sound The Way It Does? (An Explanation)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp47x1EabqI
Jay
In the year 2020, with all of the Internet communications available, why do we still operate BBSes?
I'm late to the party as my broken hand has been healing (uhg) but
thank goodness for mouse support working in Netrunner and my system
having been set up all light bar'ed .. so I could at least read and occasionally provide shorter replies.
for racing practice. The music was political back then, it's hard to believe Twisted Sister had to appear in front of congress (shrug ..)
and I listened to any new rock band that some deemed satanic; oddly my
dad is a (now retired) minister. I remember being at Montgomery Wards
and standing next to my mom, while a manufacturer representative boiled water in a microwave in a minute or so .. and the crowd of 20 had the
look of fear as if they had just seen an alien. Lastly, but surely not
All of the sudden I had a bunch of power and nothing to do with it ..
so I said .. why not relearn where I had left off, and I'm sick of
social media and politics, so here we go.... downloaded Mystic, and
started watching this mysterious Mystic Guy with a funky accent yet
very informative.
config. So I called the funky accent dudes BBS and sent him a quick email. Less then two days later, I was on a zoom call and team view,
with this incredibly popular man known as "Avon" in the BBS world
helping this little nobody like me out. The conversation we had felt
of the only places I can say I had a crush on Debbie Gibson in my
tweens and not run into a collective "Who?"
probably could have googled. But to me, BBS peeps are probably the closest to real friends I've ever had; considering how often my dad changed churches and moved from state to state. Being able to stay
Lastly, as another may have mentioned .. Networks, nor g00r00, are
driving around in lambo's for their efforts. To each, even during disagreement, you're each much appreciated.
Sorry about your hand. What did you do? (besides break it...) :)
After reading this paragraph, I was expecting a short message. ;)
I was into the heavy metal music in the 80s. Some of my favorite were Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Queensryche. I also had a soft spot
for the classic (at least it is now) rock from the 60s and 70s. Pink Floyd, The Eagles, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, and Lynyrd Skynyrd.
That had to be interesting, being the son of a minister.
Our first microwave had to weigh 150 pounds, and was as big as the table it sat on. Unfortunately there was only room in there for a bowl or
plate.
I gave up on 'social media' about 3 or 4 years ago. If it wasn't political, it was people posting 15 selfies per day. I already know what you look like, you don't need to keep reminding us...
He still is mysterious. I could listen to that accent all day though. :)
I think the response you get here would be more like "Who didn't!" ;)
I feel the same way. It takes a special type of person to be able to run
a BBS. Either in the 80-90s, or today. It almost makes you feel as
you're part of a elite club. Everyone goes out of their way to help each other out.
Back in 1994 when I was first setting up Castle Rock BBS, I was running into some snags. There was a sysop by the name of Rod Hagen that lived nearby. This was in Wisconsin. He asked if I could bring the computer
over to his house, and he'd help me get everything working. He was probably in his 70s at the time, and knew computers better than anyone else I knew. He wouldn't take any compensation for his time, just wanted to be able to pass on the knowledge he had to this young 20ish kid. Unfortunately he passed about a year later...
Thanks for the response. I appreciate it.
After reading this paragraph, I was expecting a short message. ;)
I knew someone would say that. But hey, were any of mine short prior
to a broken hand? I'm pretty sure I need to work on the editing prior
to sending thing.
Our first microwave had to weigh 150 pounds..
Oh yeah, my moms first was Sharp and it was huge! I
never liked the way food tasted when made within it --
still don't. But .. I was blessed to grow up with the
inception of a lot of really cool technology.
I tend to think a 'golden era' is usually 30 years earlier from whatever age we are :) Put another way, I think future generations will likely see things as golden also when they look back. Perhaps it's just in our nature to do so when we look back and reflect?
I think for music a lot of what we look back and enjoy is stuff we were listening to when we were younger, from around the ages of 13-25 I thin
But today's pop music is so much better - people use autotune _all_ the time and this a) means they're not slightly off key, driving me nuts, and b) more likely to have little techno bits.
...I may have strange ideas.
On 09-17-20 10:28, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
On 09-16-20 07:48, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haha there's so much software around now, one has to be very selective.
:)
I am. I limit myself to "Hey that looks interesting. What can I screw
up with that?
Hahaha, that leaves the field wide open. :D
It's limited to what I think is interesting. So there's that. :)
On 09-18-20 09:30, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-
On 17 Sep 2020 at 09:54p, Vk3jed pondered and said...
Would be good, though I'm a bit less flexible, as my body clock doesn't tolerate such tinkering. :(
With all that running you do you'll be way more flexible than me ;-p
On 09-17-20 05:48, Charles Pierson wrote to Static <=-
ahh, yes. I recall starting a download then going to sleep hoping the
call didn't drop since it had 6-8 or more hours to go.
thewhole thing very electronic and unauthentic for me.
It's limited to what I think is interesting. So there's that. :)
I personally love this topic but had never reflected on the "why" from
a personal prospective other then my love for BBS'ing and the 80's and 90's when life was more complicated to communicate but much more fun
and adventurous then my kiddos have the freedom of today. I remember
my buddies and I collecting cans, going to the local grocery store, cashing the cans in, and riding our bikes to the local Arcade. I raced BMX, loved the move RAD, and in my "hood" it seemed construction sites were left vacant for years, allowing us to build forts, play army
dudes, attempt to smoke cigarettes, or turn a dirt lot into a hop track for racing practice. The music was political back then, it's hard to believe Twisted Sister had to appear in front of congress (shrug ..)
and I listened to any new rock band that some deemed satanic; oddly my
dad is a (now retired) minister. I remember being at Montgomery Wards
and standing next to my mom, while a manufacturer representative boiled water in a microwave in a minute or so .. and the crowd of 20 had the
look of fear as if they had just seen an alien. Lastly, but surely not least, I remember leaving that store to the first front projection big screen showing Superman 1 on a super disc!
I run a BBS because those on BBS's (for the most part) actually can
relate to the aforementioned story I shared, and I'd love to hear some
of your memories from your childhood too! Since re opening my board,
I've run into nothing but the most supportive community of SysOps -- nothing had changed there --same community of friendship and
helpfulness over a shared hobby and similar in age. This has to be one
of the only places I can say I had a crush on Debbie Gibson in my
tweens and not run into a collective "Who?"
I do love configuring BBS's. While I'm not the best with ANSI, writing mods, or running a network, nor am I within the "tech field," I do feel
I have an eye for design and love to make things look good, function
well, and create an every changing BBS that keeps people coming back
(even if by todays standards that may be 3 calls per week). To me, building a BBS is art, but also a local community of like minded individuals that collectively want to participate within it's
development. And in my short time running the Underground, I have a
few that are very candid, want to help, like the BBS, and we have
become great friends.
Hey, tG... during our chats it never came up, but I am also the child of parent ministers.. my family was a part of The Salvation Army ministry
and I, also, had a childhood of moving every 4 years [or so] for new 'orders'.
Your path to enjoying these BBSes is recieved well; I enjoyed hearing why they touch you and share similar reasoning to why I dig the scene...
Ultimately, its about connecting with people who have similar interests - these weird computer boards and the things you can do with them keep this group working on new ways to keep old tech alive.
Nice writeup.
(I was wonderin the same thing!)
Ah.. so the breakage in the hand? I thought you wrote that
the problem was discovered in your arm.
It is the opposite for me. People abuse autotune all the time which
makes the whole thing very electronic and unauthentic for me.
I thought a 49 year old (clearing throat .. myself) could still lift a 14ft 6x6 over my shoulder and carry it by myself from the front to the back yard. I got 3 of them back there .. the 4th rolled over on it.
Autotune pretty much convinced me that they are no longer looking for singers to market in the music world, but images.
That said, I looked it up, and it sounds like a 14 foot 6x6 weighs in the neighborhood of 160 pounds (72-ish kg), which does seem like a solid
time to have a second person.
To an extent, there has always been a segment that promoted image over talent, you're right. It just seems more prevalent now? Or possibly just more obvious.Autotune pretty much convinced me that they are no longer looking for
singers to market in the music world, but images.
I mean... Was it really all that different with The Monkees?
Charles Pierson wrote to Static <=-
ahh, yes. I recall starting a download then going to sleep hoping the
call didn't drop since it had 6-8 or more hours to go.
Avon wrote to Bucko <=-
In my case I'm more synth orientated so look for artists that emulate Jean-Michel Jarre etc. I've found a couple of contemporary guys I
really like by the names of Kebu and Madis :)
Black Panther wrote to The Godfather <=-
I was into the heavy metal music in the 80s. Some of my favorite were Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, and Queensryche. I also had a soft spot
for the classic (at least it is now) rock from the 60s and 70s. Pink Floyd, The Eagles, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, and Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Queensryche was on heavy rotation for me in the early 90s. When Chris
De Garmo left, the lineup never felt the same - and Geoff Tate's
voice was showing signs of wear.
Rage for Order, O:M and Empire were an incredible run. Tribe was a
nice follow-on, with CDG back for a bit.
:)
I've found I've tended to seek out new artists that create music in the genres I like too.
In my case I'm more synth orientated so look for artists that emulate Jean-Michel Jarre etc. I've found a couple of contemporary guys I really like by the names of Kebu and Madis :)
over your hand that is .. But yes, I couldn't convince my 12 year old
to help me move them from where they were delivered on the driveway, to
my back yard when building a second pergola type structure .. so .. here
I am! But I got it finished so thats nice.
To an extent, there has always been a segment that promoted image over talent, you're right. It just seems more prevalent now? Or possibly
just more obvious.
I suppose, though I'm not convinced.
I mean, especially if you get away from the record-label-screws-everyone-over segment, as there is a _lot_ more music available out there than there used to be.
But thinking of autotune, it's also led to a lot of interesting things, like much of what Daft Punk has done. It's a tool, though it's reasonable that some people don't like the sounds that the tool makes.As a tool, autotune is fine. I just feel like a lot of "popular" artists that I have seen can have a tendency to over use it, instead of relying on their own voice, in their own range.
...it still seems weird to me to talk about music, as I'm probably significantly less interested in music than normal, my YouTube usage today aside.That's the thing with these networks. We can find ourselves talking about all sorts of topics.
Black Panther wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
After Empire, I never really followed them anymore. So I'm not sure how their music changed. I'll have to take a listen, as I'm sure they're
songs are on YouTube. :)
np: Nine Inch Nails, "No You Don't"
NP: Pearl Jam, "Jeremy"
or downloading a large program, and once it finishes, realizing you have no idea what you were planning to do with it.
Availability of music, and what gets more promotion, air time, etc. are two different creatures. Among other things, the internet has done
wonders for independent musicians.
As a tool, autotune is fine. I just feel like a lot of "popular" artists that I have seen can have a tendency to over use it, instead of relying
on their own voice, in their own range.
To have it, obviously.
...at least I assume that must be it, considering the amount of random files I have collected without ever using or using only once.
Nice to know I'm not alone on that.
As a tool, autotune is fine. I just feel like a lot of "popular" artists
that I have seen can have a tendency to over use it, instead of relying
on their own voice, in their own range.
I suppose. I guess I tend to assume that there's a mixture.
And I'm amazed at how frequently people sound off-key when singing. I do kinda wonder if monitors have a different pitch or something. I remember with choir, it sounded more on key to match with everyone else than to sing the correct notes. But when soloists sing, oh, the US national anthem (an objectively difficult and terrible song), going sharp or flat is really jarring.
Well, to me, anyway, as I seem to be sensitive to pitch accuracy.
Anyway, hearing people butcher songs is way more unpleasant to me than the idea that the music might sound unauthentic.
On 09-18-20 07:55, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
It's limited to what I think is interesting. So there's that. :)
Who knows how broad your interests are? ;)
Well, anything dealing with fashion design is right out in the do not bother with pile.
In the year 2020, with all of the Internet communications available, why do we still operate BBSes?
I recently had a tree limb fall during a storm and smash a storage shed. The sheer number of old Floppies and CDs I had in there that wound up
lost amazed me. Especially considering the number of CDs and DVDs I
still have in the house.
I think I may have a problem.
I recently had a tree limb fall during a storm and smash a storage shed. The sheer number of old Floppies and CDs I had in there that wound up
lost amazed me. Especially considering the number of CDs and DVDs I
still have in the house.
Adept wrote to Charles Pierson <=-
...at least I assume that must be it, considering the amount of random files I have collected without ever using or using only once.
Well, to me, anyway, as I seem to be sensitive to pitch accuracy.Pitch accuracy is important.
I think I may have a problem.
Yes, I think you may have a problem. How are you going to replace those Floppies and CDs? ;)
I suppose that was a decent way to encourage you to clean things up a bit, though kind of horrifying if you lost any data of interest.
For me, I'd have so much more of those things if I hadn't reliably moved _so_ often. I'm glad to have less stuff, though with digital stuff, I'm also glad I've managed to put a lot of it on other drives.
Pitch accuracy is important.
It can be, but I find I'm far more sensitive to whether the tone is pleasing or grating than if the pitch is dead on. Gilbert Gottfried could sing absolutely pitch perfect and I probably wouldn't find it terribly appealing, but someone like Eddie Vedder is quite listenable even if he's a little off. ===
Ohhhhh .. I was pushed away from religion for years. Didn't want a
thing to do with church, still don't really. Watching the behind the
scene power trips that deacons and board of directors had over my Dad,
and the challenges it presented to him, was enough to change my view of
a physical "church" being my means to sustain belief. We can talk more about that in email, however not bashing religion, also requires an
equal respect of not pushing it on others. So I won't get into it here.
Yeah, it's not just about the tech .. it's about people who remember,
miss even, arcades, the freedom of bike rides, appreciate the evolution
of the technology. My children will never know what the heck a flip
phone is -- heck wait till I find a brick phone to show them. And I
keep forgetting, but not important anyway at the moment (but once they complain about cellphone bills) what cellphone bills used to look like when they came out with restricted minutes! The bag phone, hard wired
.. lol! I think we are blessed to have been Gen-Xers and Boomers .. we got to see tech evolve into what many these days just expect within society. Remember texting using a pager? That was interesting ..
While tech is still fascinating, and ever evolving .. there was nothing like watching the origination of tech history unfold in front of our
eyes that has created the platforms available to us today.
Understood; both of the hardships you speak of, altho in the Salvation Army my parents were Majors, and were at the helm of each church...
theres always someone up the ladder pulling strings that affect the
lives of those underneath.
I was in Toledo, OH when I first got into BBSing - and it was a great
town for it. In fact, we had a huge group of highschool aged friends
right in the 419. Luckily, I didn't have too many long distance nightmares.
I did some courier stuff for warez files, however at that point I was using other ways of getting calls out.
My first tech was pagers! The very first that I had was actually a voice pager almost like a CB radio. I don't even know what tech it was, but remember pages came thru as voice... but if you missed it, you missed
it! It had a squelch button and you could press it and hear OTHER PEOPLES pages/voices.
Then I went to the infamous # beepers; the you got 10 digits sent to... but my favorite was when the text pagers came out; I thought I was king ish when I could recieve full text message style pages. LOL... how times have changed.
Didn't realize the basic text pager came out after
whatever th voice thing is you were referring to.
Good times ... it used to be so easy stating "never got
that page, sorry .." then to say "Oh, I didn't get that
text on my smart phone."
Born just in time to see it come back.I want more bbses to be formed since Facebook likes to censor.
Even now, maybe the requirement for using a terminal programWhen I tried to call my former bbs users many of them said what the use, they liked the new generation of technology.
probably falls on deaf ears and is an extra layer to
implement. Besides, the FB users are probably happy with the
web way of doing things, that's why they're on FB. ???
I want more bbses to be formed since Facebook likes to censor.
Eh. We don't really need more BBSs for that -- we need to have moreThe people who were from those groups/message boards could learn how to use Syncterm, MultiMail and or a newsgroup reader.
people
_using_ BBSs.
Eh. We don't really need more BBSs for that -- we need to have more people _using_ BBSs.
RE: Re: Why?
BY: Nodoka Hanamura(21:2/106)
Born just in time to see it come back.I want more bbses to be formed since Facebook likes to censor.
When I send text (SMS) from shop, there are a handful of
people who claim that they never received them - even though
they told me that had the service.
arrival. It would be nice if the email to text and or
software to text showed "read" as our cell phones do when
we text someone. The funny thing is, I'd physically text
customers from my iphone,I'd see they opened it, and
they'd say "Oh, I didn't get that text."
It was always during this time of year when we needed
their sprinkler heads, cable line, and invisible dog
fence wires marked prior to doing aeration. We'd show up,
not a damn thing done. ...
...It was frustrating. Fortunately mailchimp was a great
tool that I used to monitor who opened and read important
communication as well as marketing campaigns.
And I could resend to those that did not open the email.
If I didn't see them open, I'd physically text them so
there was no question as to my communication.
I've texted from my phone only a half-dozen times at most in
the last year. I don't recall seeing an "opened it" option.
Would that be specific to the carrier?
I'd rather avoid using my phone (which I primarily only use as
a mobile hotspot) for texting. I would rather not divulge my
device phone number to just anyone. I've recently received a
few texts that are clearly not personal messages (they are
some kind of sales gimmick) ..and I don't want it to get
worse.
BTW.. I recently got a call from someone on their cell phone,
but the signal was choppy from their end. They said they knew
that would happen. While on the phone with them, they said,
"Wait.. I need to go upstairs where we get a better signal."
Sheesh, this reminded me of Green Acres where they had to
climb the telephone pole to reach the phone!
The characters in the tv series "24" relied heavily on cell
phones. Their phones were practically in constant use. I think
they depicted the battery life and cell coverage as a total
fantasy.
I haven't looked at Mailchimp for years. Might be worth seeing
what their pricing is like now 10 years later.
But right now, more people are prepared to receive SMS than
deal with email. For some people, if my email contains even
one link (usually my website) their spam settings would block
my messages. :(
So.. email to text is an improvement. As a last resort, I end
up calling and bite the bullet on the long-distance charges.
Some people can be so delinquent when acknowledging a received
message. I have some special orders pre-covid that have not
been picked up (and paid for) yet. I'll probably just have to
write them off as losses.
2020 will be a big year of 5-figure debt, losses, and taxes on
surplus inventory.
The characters in the tv series "24" relied heavily on cell
phones. Their phones were practically in constant use. I think
they depicted the battery life and cell coverage as a total
fantasy.
Yeah but that show was AWESOME, so miss Jack ...
So.. email to text is an improvement. As a last resort,
I end up calling and bite the bullet on the long-
distance charges.
I'm pretty sure mailchimp has text capability now .. but
check it out, I could be wrong.
Well lets hope the taxes work out in your favor and you
see a nice return. I'm holding off on starting a new
business until I'm able to clearly see where the home
services industry will be needed and sustained after the
pandemic.
I'd rather avoid using my phone (which I primarily only use as
a mobile hotspot) for texting. I would rather not divulge my
device phone number to just anyone. I've recently received a
few texts that are clearly not personal messages (they are
some kind of sales gimmick) ..and I don't want it to get
worse.
3. Filling out a FaceCrook account takes a LOT of work and there
are more questions asked than the amount of questions a officer
of the law would ask if I ever do something really dumb
np: Gary Numan, "Are 'Friends' Electric?"
There's the rub. How do you attract more people in this era? Not just more people, but people that are more than "Meme of the day" sharers.
and I ended paying too much taxes + a penalty. In the
meantime, my work life and outlook very much resembles the
depiction in this episode of Black Books, from 3:09 - 4:12.
Ogg wrote to The Godfather <=-
I've texted from my phone only a half-dozen times at most in
the last year. I don't recall seeing an "opened it" option.
Would that be specific to the carrier?
The characters in the tv series "24" relied heavily on cell
phones. Their phones were practically in constant use. I think
they depicted the battery life and cell coverage as a total
fantasy.
But right now, more people are prepared to receive SMS than
deal with email. For some people, if my email contains even
one link (usually my website) their spam settings would block
my messages. :(
So.. email to text is an improvement. As a last resort, I end
up calling and bite the bullet on the long-distance charges.
And I could resend to those that did not open the email.
If I didn't see them open, I'd physically text them so
there was no question as to my communication.
Some people can be so delinquent when acknowledging a received
message. I have some special orders pre-covid that have not
been picked up (and paid for) yet. I'll probably just have to
write them off as losses.
2020 will be a big year of 5-figure debt, losses, and taxes on
surplus inventory.
--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
Ogg wrote to The Godfather <=-
Absolutely. The 1-hour real-time per episode concept was
riveting.
I just have a business phone, and another business phone,
and then my personal phone. This way I can give a business
number to customers so they will be able to reach me
during work hours, and keep my personal phone private.
People who has an active business life and does not keep
personal and working phones separate are in it for a world
of pain.
I want more bbses to be formed since Facebook likes to censor.
Eh. We don't really need more BBSs for that -- we need to have more
people
_using_ BBSs.
I like your idea of a phone with two sim cards (.: 2 separate numbers)
But at this point I get frustrated when I misplace "little" things
like my iPods or the Blackberry phone! I have two iPods, and I
can't find one of them. I have my iPods to chime/beep on the hour,
but the battery is most certainly expired on the one I can't find.
I hazard to imagine what I would do if I misplaced a new 2-SIM
phone! The Blackberry has gone awol a few times.. and I feel really
lucky when I find it.
You beat that problem with routine.
I have a bag of "essentials" where I keep all the small,
everyday stuff that is easily lost that I want to have on
me. Thet would be keys - I have a LOT of keys, both
personal and business - two phones, and a wallet. I try to
have all that stuff ALWAYS on the bag, so I am guaranteed
I won't be losing any. As long as I don't lose the bag
itself, I know where the phones, keys etc are.
..my work life and outlook very much resembles the
depiction in this episode of Black Books, from 3:09 -
4:12.
OMG I'm in tears. The cutting of the cord is something I
could so see you doing! lol!
I love the when he pays the guy off to leave with his
used books to avoid the whole cycle of having to sell and
re buy them once read!!
I just have a business phone, and another business phone, and then my personal phone. This way I can give a business number to customers so they will be able to reach me during work hours, and keep my personal phone private.
Yeah, I just have a softphone on my cell with an extension
I have set to ring with my deskphone for business. Then I
can still receive calls work wise if needed without having
to give anyone my cell - before I did that I had a number
of clients who did not have boundaries and would call my
cell direct at 3am on Sunday.
On the other hand - do you really want the vast majority of morons that occupy Facebook to start BBS:ing?
What softphone app/service are you using?
Yeah, I just have a softphone on my cell with an extension
I have set to ring with my deskphone for business. Then I
can still receive calls work wise if needed without having
to give anyone my cell - before I did that I had a number
of clients who did not have boundaries and would call my
cell direct at 3am on Sunday.
What softphone app/service are you using?
I'd be interested to know this as well. I've been working from home since March and had a "demo" with Webex Calling but that just expired so I shifted to Google Voice. That stopped taking calls after the 3rd or 4th inbound and I had to restart the browser (there's no app).
On the other hand - do you really want the vast majority of morons that occupy Facebook to start BBS:ing?
I wonder where the morons actually are... I think I've covered before my ìusage of FB appears to be non-standard, but there are certainly large groups ìof non-moronic people hiding out there... so some of them yes :P
On the other hand - do you really want the vast majority of morons that occupy Facebook to start BBS:ing?
I know you're joking, but...
Sure, I'd welcome them. Unlike with Facebook, I have significantly more control over what comes in, which networks I see info through.
And I can use a variety of twit filters to autodelete messages from certain users, if I want to make my BBS a more pleasant place for others, too.
I guess moderation becomes more of a chore, though.
But I assume we'd still mostly stay in our bubbles -- conspiracy theorists and those who just _have_ to talk about he-who-must-not-be-named aren't welcome here, but they're undoubtedly welcome everywhere.
Especially Fidonet. Which has plenty of space for adding in a whole raft of unpleasant internet people.
Imagine you have a server and allow users with certain impopular opinion to exist in your node. Then people from other nodes in the network will come at you and threaten you and harass you no end.
Yeah, I just have a softphone on my cell with an extension
I have set to ring with my deskphone for business...
What softphone app/service are you using?
I'd be interested to know this as well. [..snip..]
Work will reimburse me for a service but I just need to find one.
I spotted this link for suggestions in another discussion
group:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/best-apps-for-a-second- phone-number/
I'm beginning to lean toward a solution like that.
I spotted this link for suggestions in another discussion
group:
I use voip.ms for VoIP (SIP) service. I pay US$0.85 /mo for a phone
number and pay $0.005 cents per minute for calls to Canada...
I do have a softphone installed on my laptop, it's a piece
of freeware called MicoSIP (www.microsip.org). I also
have a softphone installed on my iPhone called
"SessionTalk SIP Softphone". Both seem to work quite
well, though I don't use the softphones that often.
I never heard of voip.ms, and yes they reach into my area:
Imagine you have a server and allow users with certain impopular opinion
to exist in your node. Then people from other nodes in the network will
come at you and threaten you and harass you no end.
I had a longer post, but, yeah, I don't know how exactly I'd deal with
it,
but it seems quite theoretical, and I doubt with a mass influx of
users that I'd wind up with all that many headaches to make a call on.
Though if people are using my BBS to be irritating on Fidonet, I'd
probably
just drop Fidonet. If they start using my BBS to be irritating on
FSXnet, I'd
drop the user.
And if people are harassing me, then I'd deal with it like any
harassment -
escalate if needed, and probably suffer because there's not a whole
lot of
recourse, generally.
Imagine you have a server and allow users with certain impopular opini
to exist in your node. Then people from other nodes in the network wil
come at you and threaten you and harass you no end.
I had a longer post, but, yeah, I don't know how exactly I'd deal with it,
but it seems quite theoretical, and I doubt with a mass influx of Facebook
users that I'd wind up with all that many headaches to make a call on.
Though if people are using my BBS to be irritating on Fidonet, I'd probably
just drop Fidonet. If they start using my BBS to be irritating on FSXnet, I'd
drop the user.
And if people are harassing me, then I'd deal with it like any harassment -
escalate if needed, and probably suffer because there's not a whole
lot of
recourse, generally.
Mastodon is mostly quite enjoyable. There are more people from the "alternative" camps there compared with Twitter and there are some folks fro the extreme left and the extreme right (I tend to block both). The low poin on Mastodon for me was when I was simply saying that a person who was accuse of sexual abuse was labeled as a rapist shouldn't be labeled as such unless was actually convicted in a court of law. Not a totally unreasonable idea, I thought, since the accusations against the person in question was made publi many years after it was supposed to have happened and also the supposed crim never was reported to the police. I want to be clear that it very well may h happened but my point was that if we can start to apply nasty labels on peop based on rumors, we all may be in trouble eventually.
I was proven right within hours when I was labeled as a "rape apologist" and then others started to imply I was sexually molesting my children and... wel you get the idea. I damn near quit Mastodon there and then but ended up blocking a ton of these people and my experience has been enjoyable ever sin
Re: Re: Why?
By: Joacim Melin to Adept on Wed Sep 30 2020 07:11 pm
Now I am going to bother your sysop until he bans you out of your nod, or bother other sysops so they don't peer with you.
Prepare to be cancelled. Resistence is futile.
Also long live Usenet and othernets where this sort of sarcastic crap cannot be turned into a reality :-P
Thus spake Arelor:
Re: Re: Why?
By: Joacim Melin to Adept on Wed Sep 30 2020 07:11 pm
Now I am going to bother your sysop until he bans you out of your nod, or
bother other sysops so they don't peer with you.
Prepare to be cancelled. Resistence is futile.
Now that means I have to work to get you cancelled for getting him cancelled. Why do you want to make me do something?
Also long live Usenet and othernets where this sort of sarcastic crap
cannot be turned into a reality :-P
Hear, Hear!
Sysop: | echicken |
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Location: | Toronto, Ontario |
Users: | 2,224 |
Nodes: | 6 (0 / 6) |
Uptime: | 15:19:17 |
Calls: | 14,143 |
Files: | 295 |
Messages: | 551,312 |