• TZUTC

    From Apam@21:1/182 to All on Tue Oct 13 16:39:00 2020
    RE: TZUTC
    BY: All

    My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..

    Rushfan fixed it in 5.6 today and I pulled the patch and applied it to my 5.5 setup.

    Andrew


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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 01:06:54 2020
    On 13 Oct 2020, 12:39p, Apam said the following...

    @TID: WWIV NET5.5.0.development
    @MSGID: 21:1/182 5F85137E
    @CHRS: CP437 2
    @TZUTC: 1000
    @PID: WWIV 5.5.0.development

    My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..

    Looks right.

    Rushfan fixed it in 5.6 today and I pulled the patch and applied it to
    my 5.5 setup.

    How's that for customer service. :)


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  • From Apam@21:1/182 to Black Panther on Tue Oct 13 17:38:08 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Black Panther(21:1/186)


    How's that for customer service. :)

    Yep pretty good! Today he fixed a bug before I even finished submitting an issue for it.

    It was kind of funny actually.. I pulled 5.6 installed it, found the bug wrote an issue, but at the same time he also found the bug and fixed it.

    Well perhaps not hilariously funny.

    Andrew


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  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to Black Panther on Tue Oct 13 08:16:01 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Black Panther(21:1/186)


    My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..

    Looks right.

    Glad it does. Is surprisingly hard to test without adding a bunch of brittle code vs. using the default implementation from the strftime lib and some hackery.

    rushfan


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  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 08:17:11 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Apam(21:1/182)


    It was kind of funny actually.. I pulled 5.6 installed it, found the bug wrote an issue, but at the same time he also found the bug and fixed it.

    Well perhaps not hilariously funny.

    I should probably get a 2nd fsxnet address to test FTN stuff with... :)



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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 01:39:22 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Apam(21:1/182)


    Yep pretty good! Today he fixed a bug before I even finished submitting
    an issue for it.
    What is TZUTC in FTN terms?
    just wondering.


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  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to Utopian Galt on Tue Oct 13 08:58:26 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Utopian Galt(21:4/108)


    What is TZUTC in FTN terms?
    just wondering.

    Hour/min offset from GMT.



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  • From alterego@21:2/116 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 20:07:53 2020
    Re: TZUTC
    By: Apam to All on Tue Oct 13 2020 12:39 pm

    My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..

    Looks good :)

    when_written 5F850534 0258 Tue Oct 13 12:39:00 2020 UTC+10:00
    when_imported 5F8516A3 9258 Tue Oct 13 13:53:23 2020 AEDT

    ...δεσ∩

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 05:09:49 2020
    My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..
    Rushfan fixed it in 5.6 today and I pulled the patch and applied it to
    my 5.5 setup.

    Apam,

    You're too smart you're speaking a different language now too! To me
    anyway. But glad you got it fixed? Not sure what a TZUTC cludge is?

    Hope all is well to you and everyone for that matter! My hands finally
    fixed and I'm back to typing without pain!

    -tG

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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Rushfan on Tue Oct 13 05:12:07 2020
    Rushfan,

    Maybe you could help me get WWIV to compile right? Still having issues ........ would love to get it going as a second BBS. Would love to
    connect to see what I'm doing wrong with the command lines for github.
    I've only ever used github to add new CSS or HTML files to my
    repositories.

    -tG
    www.theunderground.us:10023

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  • From Apam@21:1/182 to Utopian Galt on Tue Oct 13 19:04:29 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Utopian Galt(21:4/108)


    What is TZUTC in FTN terms?
    just wondering.

    It's just an optional kludge line that lists the originating system's UTC offset.

    Usually FTN messages the date field is in local time if i remember correctly, the TZUTC kludge helps systems in other timezones work out when the message was written relative to their timezone.

    It has a silly format where it uses doesn't use a + to signify timezones greater than UTC, but uses a - to signify timezones less than UTC. So I guess the bug went unnoticed while people weren't using WWIV on this side of the dateline with FTN.

    Andrew


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  • From Apam@21:1/182 to Rushfan on Tue Oct 13 19:07:58 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Rushfan(21:2/115)


    I should probably get a 2nd fsxnet address to test FTN stuff with... :)

    Probably not a bad idea, Paul's unlikely to flip out and shut down the net in a moment of weakness lol. FSXnet is experimental after all :)

    I have set up a net between my Titan BBS, This BBS and my test WWIV on Rpi, you could do that too - but here there are more eyes to spot any mistakes :)

    Andrew


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  • From Apam@21:1/182 to The Godfather on Tue Oct 13 19:31:07 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)


    Maybe you could help me get WWIV to compile right? Still having issues ........ would love to get it going as a second BBS. Would love to
    connect to see what I'm doing wrong with the command lines for github. I've only ever used github to add new CSS or HTML files to my
    repositories.

    I know this was directed at Rushfan, but why not post the issues you're having here? Or maybe in the BBS area?

    That way any of us other WWIV users can jump in as well.

    Andrew


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 02:13:10 2020
    My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..
    Rushfan fixed it in 5.6 today and I pulled the patch and applied it to
    my 5.5 setup.

    Are the dox going to be updated soon after 5.6 is released with either
    updating the sections updated or with a What's New?

    BTW...got your ANSI art set up in place of the standard login/logout. Both
    are beautiful. Even have my menus changed to something I like even better
    from some old TG/RG images I found around the net.

    Again...thank you for the images. With 2 weeks off on holiday...am going to move it from my main system to the netbook.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 23:39:10 2020
    On 13 Oct 2020 at 12:39p, Apam pondered and said...

    @TID: WWIV NET5.5.0.development
    @MSGID: 21:1/182 5F85137E
    @CHRS: CP437 2
    @TZUTC: 1000
    @PID: WWIV 5.5.0.development


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    Here's what I see :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 23:40:46 2020
    On 13 Oct 2020 at 03:07p, Apam pondered and said...

    I should probably get a 2nd fsxnet address to test FTN stuff with... :)

    Probably not a bad idea, Paul's unlikely to flip out and shut down the
    net in a moment of weakness lol. FSXnet is experimental after all :)

    Ha :) Yeah all good, if Rushfan needs another node number sing out sir and we'll set you up.

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  • From Apam@21:1/182 to Phoobar on Tue Oct 13 21:42:56 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Phoobar(21:2/147)


    Are the dox going to be updated soon after 5.6 is released with either updating the sections updated or with a What's New?

    I imagine so, all the versions so far have updated documents. 5.5 is currently a "Prerelease/Stable" according to the website, so I imagine it will be a while before 5.6 comes out.


    BTW...got your ANSI art set up in place of the standard login/logout.

    Cool! Glad they were useful to you.

    Andrew


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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 14:29:29 2020
    Apam wrote (2020-10-13):

    It has a silly format where it uses doesn't use a + to signify timezones greater than UTC, but uses a - to signify timezones less than UTC. So I guess the bug went unnoticed while people weren't using WWIV on this side of the dateline with FTN.

    I wonder if we should just use UTC in the time/date field and have a timezone kludge that is only informational.

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Oli on Tue Oct 13 22:54:26 2020
    I wonder if we should just use UTC in the time/date field and have a timezone kludge that is only informational.


    I don't think that would change much, either way you need both to figure out local time.

    Andrew


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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to apam on Tue Oct 13 16:14:32 2020
    apam wrote (2020-10-13):

    I wonder if we should just use UTC in the time/date field and have a
    timezone kludge that is only informational.

    I don't think that would change much, either way you need both to figure out local time.

    Why do I need to know your local time? My local time I can figure out.

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  • From Apam@21:1/182 to Oli on Wed Oct 14 00:41:47 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Oli(21:3/102)


    Why do I need to know your local time? My local time I can figure out.

    Oh I see what you're saying now.

    It doesn't really matter though, I heard people have a hard time changing anything with FTN...

    Andrew


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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 13:10:59 2020

    I know this was directed at Rushfan, but why not post the issues you're having here? Or maybe in the BBS area?
    That way any of us other WWIV users can jump in as well.
    Andrew

    Not a bad Idea Andrew....
    it's just a total noob question whereas I basically need the Windows
    command line functions to clone, git, cmake/compile, as the
    instructions on github via a command line are specific to Linux.

    I have installed Visual Studio 2019 (Appears to be the latest version
    for C) .. I was unable to find any setting that lets me clone a
    repository with --recurse-submodules. As a result my first attempt
    produced a bunch of errors during compiling. I deleted that version,
    and respository, reforked the repository on github, and then abandoned
    the desktop version of Visual Studio, and wanted to do everything from
    a command prompt.

    There are two VS command prompts: Developer Command
    Prompt and Developer Power Shell. I prefer powershell and assume theres
    no in which I must use, howeever Rush had mentioned something about
    needing to use the VS command prompt in order to cmake/compile.

    It had been some time since I have compiled soure code .. 20 years
    outside of MPLC lol! But attempted to use the command prompt, following
    the instructions on wwivs/githup, however command prompt instructions
    are for Linux. I don't recall specifically at what point had to
    switch over to the desktop but pretty sure at cmake. As the linux
    command prompts are a bit different then windows and WWIV would not
    compile.

    When I attempt to compile using VS's desktop tools, the version I had
    pulled from the repository, via the command prompt, using the --recurse-submodules, I get various errors when compiling.

    My hope was that someone had the straight windows command line
    instructions for us non linux guys? I'll delete my repository and start
    from scratch.

    I don't recall the specific issues as after several attempts I took a
    break from the project for a time being.

    Hope this Clarifies.

    -tG

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  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to The Godfather on Tue Oct 13 18:32:22 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)


    Maybe you could help me get WWIV to compile right? Still having issues ........ would love to get it going as a second BBS. Would love to
    connect to see what I'm doing wrong with the command lines for github. I've only ever used github to add new CSS or HTML files to my
    repositories.

    Sure, drop by IRC and try thegit commands from the command lines (that's easier), then we've fixed the issues you hit with visual studio crashing with certain elements in the cmakesettings.json file.



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  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 18:33:34 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Apam(21:1/182)


    I have set up a net between my Titan BBS, This BBS and my test WWIV on
    Rpi, you could do that too - but here there are more eyes to spot any mistakes :)

    Yes, I have RushnetFTN, but didn't catch it there for some strange reason.



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  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to Phoobar on Tue Oct 13 18:35:18 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Phoobar(21:2/147)


    Are the dox going to be updated soon after 5.6 is released with either updating the sections updated or with a What's New?

    Yes, I update teh documentation as I go along and they stay updated at /latest i.e. http://docs.wwivbbs.org/en/latest/

    I also update the what's new list every few weeks as well, I should be better at that, but I forget.

    -rushfan


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  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 18:38:17 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: Apam(21:1/182)


    I imagine so, all the versions so far have updated documents. 5.5 is currently a "Prerelease/Stable" according to the website, so I imagine
    it will be a while before 5.6 comes out.

    5.5 is basically done. It's just had a couple of cherry pick fixes over the last few months, so I plan on making it "done" on Nov 3rd. After that we'll likely have 6-12 months before 5.6 is final, but sometimes if the new release is "strictly better" than the old release, we jsut call it, and stabilize things to release.

    It all depends on how quick we get some cool new features and fixes in place. I want to make it easier to use netfoss and also experiment with dosemu2 and do what I can to make doors easier and also improve the FTN side a bit more.

    -rushfan


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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Rushfan on Tue Oct 13 16:08:27 2020
    Sure, drop by IRC and try thegit commands from the command lines (that's easier), then we've fixed the issues you hit with visual studio crashing with certain elements in the cmakesettings.json file.

    Well thats what I did, but the command lines within the instructions
    are for linux. I did not see, on github, command line instructions for
    VS command shell / VS powershell, for windows. So when I get to the
    part of using cmake, I get errors. Thats when I have to switch to the
    desktop VS to compile. When I do that, I get errors during compiling.
    While it does complete the compile; I'm assuming errors would = buggy
    binaries if I went to install WWIV(?) ... anyway, I'll try again this
    evening after insalling a couple of mods on Mystic. Maybe I'll try to
    install WWIV on my new Pi4 .. that should be a good project for me :)

    I tried getting on IRC but nobody was there.

    -tG

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Apam on Tue Oct 13 19:54:21 2020
    Re: TZUTC
    By: Apam to All on Tue Oct 13 2020 12:39 pm

    RE: TZUTC
    BY: All

    My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..

    Rushfan fixed it in 5.6 today and I pulled the patch and applied it to my 5.5 setup.

    Here's how it got imported here:
    Tue Oct 13 2020 12:39 pm UTC+10:00 (20.2 hours ago)

    digital man

    Rush quote #12:
    Hiding beneath the sheetsm, got to try and fill the void...
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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Oli on Tue Oct 13 19:58:21 2020
    Re: TZUTC
    By: Oli to Apam on Tue Oct 13 2020 10:29 am

    Apam wrote (2020-10-13):

    It has a silly format where it uses doesn't use a + to signify timezones greater than UTC, but uses a - to signify timezones less than UTC. So I guess the bug went unnoticed while people weren't using WWIV on this side of the dateline with FTN.

    I wonder if we should just use UTC in the time/date field and have a timezone kludge that is only informational.

    That would be the "right" way to do it, but it's too late for FidoNet.

    digital man

    Rush quote #54:
    He'd love to spend the night in Zion, he's been a long, long while in Babylon Norco, CA WX: 95.6°F, 19.0% humidity, 9 mph NNW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
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  • From Apam@21:1/182 to The Godfather on Wed Oct 14 15:01:03 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)


    Well thats what I did, but the command lines within the instructions
    are for linux. I did not see, on github, command line instructions for
    VS command shell / VS powershell, for windows. So when I get to the
    part of using cmake, I get errors. Thats when I have to switch to the desktop VS to compile. When I do that, I get errors during compiling. While it does complete the compile; I'm assuming errors would = buggy binaries if I went to install WWIV(?) ... anyway, I'll try again this evening after insalling a couple of mods on Mystic. Maybe I'll try to install WWIV on my new Pi4 .. that should be a good project for me :)

    It sounds like the bit that's pulling you up is the submodules. Personally I install git for windows from the official website. That gives you a bash prompt where you can git clone from.

    I'm not very good at following instructions, so I deviated a bit, but the end result is the same:

    git clone https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv
    cd wwiv
    git checkout wwiv55
    git submodule init
    git submodule update

    That makes sure you have the latest in the wwiv55 branch (if you want the main branch which is what will become 5.6 just don't enter git checkout wwiv55)

    That should get you past the bit you're having trouble with.

    Andrew


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  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Apam on Wed Oct 14 04:51:07 2020
    I'm not very good at following instructions, so I deviated a bit, but
    the end result is the same:
    git clone https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv
    cd wwiv
    git checkout wwiv55
    git submodule init
    git submodule update

    That makes sure you have the latest in the wwiv55 branch (if you want
    the main branch which is what will become 5.6 just don't enter git checkout wwiv55)
    That should get you past the bit you're having trouble with.


    That is a definite short cut for sure! I'm saving this for simple pull
    requests moving forward :)

    The challenge is more compiling the code within VS once pulled to
    local, moreso then performing a git request. However, yes the submodules
    was confusing the situation at first (but only if attempting to use the
    VS desktop to do so) command prompt works fine. Although, if someone
    knows where the heck the --recourse for submodules setting is within the
    VS desktop I'd still love to know. I couldn't find it.

    As for the VS command prompt, when I cmake/compile it does not work.
    Unless I am mistaken, I must use the VS command prompt tool or cmake
    does not work (or I'd use Git Bash or Power Shell). Correct me if I'm
    wrong Rush, but thats how I understood our original conversation.

    So after pulling the repository using the command prompt tool, and it
    not compiling, I attempted to use the VS desktop tool/version, which
    did cmake/compile, and completed, however not without several errors as
    it built.

    So I suppose I'm looking for the full command prompt instructions for
    windows to fork, clone, cmake, compile, from VS command prompt; similar
    to how is provided on the wwiv github page for linux.

    I'll try again tomorrow, as it has been some time since I last tried, and
    I'll be sure to post the process and/or specific errors I'm running into,
    if helpful. I had side tabled it for a few weeks until my hand
    recovered from a break, so the specific errors I had experienced, I
    don't recall at the moment.....


    -tG

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  • From apam@21:1/101 to The Godfather on Wed Oct 14 22:16:02 2020
    The challenge is more compiling the code within VS once pulled to
    local, moreso then performing a git request. However, yes the submodules

    Ah, yes, it's actually really very easy as Visual Studio 2019 has cmake built in. All you have to do is when you open the IDE instead of open project or create a new project, you just say open folder and open the folder you
    checked out to.

    Once that is done, visual studio will determine that it's a CMake project,
    and configure it, it takes a while on my computer, but eventually it gets there, then you just select Build All from the Build menu.

    The binaries are placed in a CMakeBuilds/{someuuid}/ folder in your user directory, and you can copy them over your existing ones in your installation.

    Now there is one problem you may run into (and I do everytime i do a fresh build) and that is the bbs_tests.exe fails. It fails because it can't find
    the cryptlib DLL, so to fix that, just copy cl32.dll from the source/deps/{cl342|cl345} to the CMakeBuilds/{someuuid}/build/{release}/bbs_tests/ folder and run build all again.

    Keep in mind, though before you do any of this, you will need to install wwiv from the binaries on the wwiv page so you get the data files.

    Note: There are no raspberry pi builds on the website, so what I did, was download the debian10 x86 tarball, extract it, then build wwiv from source, copy the new arm binaries over the top of the x86 ones and run install.

    Now I've written all that I can't remember if you had any other questions so going to save this and re-read your message.

    Andrew

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  • From apam@21:1/101 to The Godfather on Wed Oct 14 22:22:22 2020
    So after pulling the repository using the command prompt tool, and it
    not compiling, I attempted to use the VS desktop tool/version, which
    did cmake/compile, and completed, however not without several errors as
    it built.

    Ah, I missed this. I generally only get the bbs_tests.exe error as I
    mentioned in the previous message, if you get any other errors, maybe take a screenshot or something and we can figure them out.

    So I suppose I'm looking for the full command prompt instructions for windows to fork, clone, cmake, compile, from VS command prompt; similar
    to how is provided on the wwiv github page for linux.

    I don't know how to do it with the command prompt, so may be that rushfan
    will have to help you there. Are you looking to automate the build?

    I'll try again tomorrow, as it has been some time since I last tried, and I'll be sure to post the process and/or specific errors I'm running into, if helpful. I had side tabled it for a few weeks until my hand
    recovered from a break, so the specific errors I had experienced, I
    don't recall at the moment.....

    Yeah, let us know how you get on. IRC may work for you given you and rushfan are in the US, but with timezones it can be a bit tricky if you're not
    prepared to idle for a while.

    Andrew

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    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Digital Man on Wed Oct 14 15:02:45 2020
    Digital wrote (2020-10-13):

    I wonder if we should just use UTC in the time/date field and have a
    timezone kludge that is only informational.

    That would be the "right" way to do it, but it's too late for FidoNet.

    If software and standards can not evolve, it's dead network. It was maybe to late for TZUTC too.There is still software out there that does not support the TZUTC kludge (see this echo). The only way for this software to still transmit a non-local universal time is in UTC.

    ---
    * Origin: (21:3/102)
  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to Apam on Wed Oct 14 17:18:00 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: apam(21:1/101)


    I don't know how to do it with the command prompt, so may be that
    rushfan
    will have to help you there. Are you looking to automate the build?

    It's easy in the IDE now that I work around the bug in visual studio. Just open the folder (File | Open | Folder) and then you an build all.

    The harder way is from teh command prompt (and you have to use the "Developer Command Prompt for Visual Studio 2019")

    Then let's say the directory W:\wwiv is where the git clone put the files.
    W:
    cd \wwiv
    mkdir _build
    cd _build
    cmake ..
    cmake --build .

    That's it. You'll see a bunch of warnings (no errors, just warnings), but that's ok.

    -rushfan


    --- WWIV 5.6.0.3281
    * Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Rushfan on Wed Oct 14 22:37:24 2020
    It's easy in the IDE now that I work around the bug in visual studio. Just open the folder (File | Open | Folder) and then you an build all.
    The harder way is from teh command prompt (and you have to use the "Developer Command Prompt for Visual Studio 2019")
    Then let's say the directory W:\wwiv is where the git clone put the
    files. W:
    cd \wwiv
    mkdir _build
    cd _build
    cmake ..
    cmake --build .

    Thank you Rush, I had not tried it since you created a work around. Does this mean I can pull the repository using the Desktop version, without --recourse submodules? Or do you know the setting in the desktop version to do so? If not, I believe I remember how to do it using the command prompt. If not, I'll just trial and error. Prior to your apparent change, I pulled via the desktop but there was no recourse submodules option. Then got a bunch of errors (I don't believe it even performed cmake). The second try, I performed the git request via a command prompt, and then used the Desktop version to cmake/compile.. Maybe what I had seen was warnings, not errors.

    I'll be trying trying this out this evening after my (now 4 year old) goes to bed. Todays his b-day.

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Oli on Wed Oct 14 20:57:37 2020
    Re: TZUTC
    By: Oli to Digital Man on Wed Oct 14 2020 11:02 am

    Digital wrote (2020-10-13):

    I wonder if we should just use UTC in the time/date field and have a
    timezone kludge that is only informational.

    That would be the "right" way to do it, but it's too late for FidoNet.

    If software and standards can not evolve, it's dead network. It was maybe to late for TZUTC too.There is still software out there that does not support the TZUTC kludge (see this echo). The only way for this software to still transmit a non-local universal time is in UTC.

    I'm not really sure what you're saying. FTN is pretty much "stuck" on type-2 packet (with a few minor variants: http://wiki.synchro.net/ref:fidonet_packets) and that packet format has time stamps specified in local time (not UTC).
    Additional kludges ("control paragraphs") could be defined and supported by newer FTN software, but the end result would be the same as applying the UTC offset specified in the TZUTC kludge (when there is one) to the local time specified in the message header. And yes, some FTN software still can't or doesn't easily include the TZUTC kludges in messages. If that defines a dead network, then yeah, FidoNet is dead.

    digital man

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  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to The Godfather on Thu Oct 15 04:20:35 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)


    Thank you Rush, I had not tried it since you created a work around. Does this mean I can pull the repository using the Desktop version, without --recourse submodules? Or do you know the setting in the desktop

    No, please follow the instructions apa provided, those are good to get git repository cloned locally.

    After that, open the folder up in visual studio to build.

    -rushfan


    --- WWIV 5.6.0.3281
    * Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Rushfan on Thu Oct 15 17:19:20 2020
    No, please follow the instructions apa provided, those are good to get
    git repository cloned locally.

    So Rushfan,

    I do not need to worry about --recourse feature any longer? I had tried compiling, within the desktop version, and earlier pull I had performed using that feature, and the comiple failed last night. So I'm going to try again right now, and will follow Apam's instructions on pulling the file from command prompt, then use the Desktop VS, select the folder, and let it run.

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Rushfan on Thu Oct 15 17:28:54 2020
    It's easy in the IDE now that I work around the bug in visual studio. Just open the folder (File | Open | Folder) and then you an build all.

    One last question before I start .. do I compile using debug or release? Sorry my questions are so noob, I'll get the hang of this part and things will go much smoother from there. But I want the source so I can mod, so I want to get the learning curve over of cloning, git requests, and compiling down in 2020 compared to 1998 :)

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to The Godfather on Thu Oct 15 22:01:18 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)


    compiling, within the desktop version, and earlier pull I had performed using that feature, and the comiple failed last night. So I'm going to
    try again right now, and will follow Apam's instructions on pulling the file from command prompt, then use the Desktop VS, select the folder,
    and let it run.

    yes, his instructions shoudl work (the submodule bit he has in it does the same as the recursive flag)


    --- WWIV 5.6.0.3281
    * Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)
  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to The Godfather on Thu Oct 15 22:02:04 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)


    One last question before I start .. do I compile using debug or release?
    Sorry my questions are so noob, I'll get the hang of this part and
    things will go much smoother from there. But I want the source so I can mod, so I want to get the learning curve over of cloning, git requests,
    and compiling down in 2020 compared to 1998 :)

    Either one, but I run with a debug build so if there is a crash I can see a stack trace of where it happened.

    -r


    --- WWIV 5.6.0.3281
    * Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Rushfan on Thu Oct 15 18:07:26 2020
    Ok, so his instructions pulled the repository beautify, and simple.
    I pulled it up in VS, cmake took just fine. I ran build and it was doing well minus warnings which you stated should be expected. This is what I get everytime.

    Error running test executable.

    Path: 'C:/Users/13173/CMakeBuilds/c0bf5c6c-599e-4838-848c-e292b9ee84bc/build/x8
    6-Debug/bbs_test/bbs_tests.exe'
    Result: Exit code 0xc0000135

    ideas?

    Thanks for your help Apam and Rush.

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to The Godfather on Fri Oct 16 01:23:54 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)


    I pulled it up in VS, cmake took just fine. I ran build and it was
    doing well minus warnings which you stated should be expected. This is what I get everytime.

    You don't need to run the tests, but i fyou want to you need to copy cl32.dll into the same directory as bbs_tests.exe

    -rushfan


    --- WWIV 5.6.0.3281
    * Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Rushfan on Thu Oct 15 23:57:43 2020
    You don't need to run the tests, but i fyou want to you need to copy cl32.dll into the same directory as bbs_tests.exe


    Well .. I didn't run the test lol! I just selected "build all" from the VS menu and it did so on its own ... I'll figure out how to compile without and hopefully it'll work :) Thanks for the heads up. If all else fails I'll copy cl32.dll into the bbs_tests directory. But trying to document the easiest approach to compiling while learning a different version of VS. I usually use VS Code for web pages :)

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Rushfan on Fri Oct 16 01:08:28 2020
    Rushfan and Apam,

    You won't believe this ..

    I got WWIV to compile! Thank you! lol! I'll now have a new toy to keep me up all night :)

    Appreciate your patience and guidance as I learned new tools.

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to The Godfather on Thu Oct 15 22:29:02 2020
    I got WWIV to compile! Thank you! lol! I'll now have a new toy to keep me up all night :)

    Looking forward to hearing from you in a week or two.. :)

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.1)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Al on Fri Oct 16 02:09:23 2020
    Looking forward to hearing from you in a week or two.. :)

    lol! Al, it's a side project. I want two BBS's and WWIV was the first I ran, and ran it for 10 years. I have to come up with a BBS name, theme, and alias first. But hey, getting it working was my goal and even got it online .. so for me, thats a step in the right direction.

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From Rushfan@21:2/115 to The Godfather on Fri Oct 16 06:26:31 2020
    RE: Re: TZUTC
    BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)


    You won't believe this ..

    I got WWIV to compile! Thank you! lol! I'll now have a new toy to keep
    me up all night :)

    You are wrong. I do believe this! :) Glad to hear it


    Appreciate your patience and guidance as I learned new tools.

    I love learning these new tools too. I learned GitHub, git, modern C++, markdown, and a bunch of other things too with WWIV recently. I also learned C originally with WWIV. Happy to see new folks learn new things with it too.

    -rushfan


    --- WWIV 5.6.0.3281
    * Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Rushfan on Fri Oct 16 02:44:50 2020
    I love learning these new tools too. I learned GitHub, git, modern C++, markdown, and a bunch of other things too with WWIV recently. I also learned C originally with WWIV. Happy to see new folks learn new things with it too.


    Yeah, ran WWIV for 10 years, and was so glad to see the Waiting For Call was still there; that is one thing I wish Mystic had. I forgot just how much a SysOp can do without having to log into the BBS regarding emailing users, etc... very cool WTC functionality. I'll start tinkering with it as I read the instructions. But need to come up with a different theme, BBS name, and Alias for this second BBS first. Look forward to learning it though :)

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to The Godfather on Fri Oct 16 01:10:16 2020
    Looking forward to hearing from you in a week or two.. :)

    lol! Al, it's a side project.

    Yep, I have side projects too.. :)

    I tried unsuccessfully to compile WWIV at one time quite a few years ago. If I did get it compiled I'd have to learn WWIV also so that's why I wasn't disappointed but I am glad to hear that you are beyond that and are left simply with the configuration. That can be enough of a challenenge on it's own.

    Good on you.. :)

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.1)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Al on Fri Oct 16 06:22:14 2020
    Yep, I have side projects too.. :)

    Hopefully legal ones lol!

    I tried unsuccessfully to compile WWIV at one time quite a few years
    ago. If I did get it compiled I'd have to learn WWIV also so that's why
    I wasn't disappointed but I am glad to hear that you are beyond that and are left simply

    It's been dramatically simplified since I had last tried, which I realized after I followed Apam's git request commands, and Rushfan's tip on adding the .dll to where the test file is. Once I did both of those, it pulled, performed cmake, and compiled pretty quickly. I really like the WWIV "waiting for call." While I know it seems like a small feature, its very nice to have config, node spy, email, who's on, last callers, etc.. all at the tip of your fingers without having to login each time to do basic things when in a hurry.

    with the configuration. That can be enough of a challenenge on it's own.

    Yes, that is what I don't like about WWIV, but also love. The "out of the box" WWIV is wonky to me, but always has been, as are most basic BBS packages. It will take a lot of configuration prior to me putting it online. I really don't like how it pauses over prompts; its a very unnecessary more: y/n/c to have to answer each time you return to a menu. I also don't like standard, cluttered menus. Nor the message menu on the main menu. So those will be my starting points. Now, what I love about WWIV is that it's open source; one can make it what they want it to be and/or look like.
    Good on you.. :)

    Thanks, I think ( ... ) It's just one of many examples of me over complicating an easy process I'm sure you can and/or have read me perform on this echo (embarrassing as it may be ..)

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to The Godfather on Fri Oct 16 19:29:43 2020
    Yes, that is what I don't like about WWIV, but also love. The "out of the box" WWIV is wonky to me, but always has been, as
    are most basic BBS packages. It will take a lot of configuration prior to me putting it online. I really don't like how it
    pauses over prompts; its a very unnecessary more: y/n/c to have to answer each time you return to a menu. I also don't like

    Once you run out of things to tweak and customize is when the interest in being a Sysop dies. At least for me. Luckily most BBS software is so complicated that you never run out of things to do.

    |08~|07Bob|06Rob|08~


    ... A feature is a bug with seniority.
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: Halls of Valhalla -hovalbbs.com:2333- SanFrancisco (21:2/118)
  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Bob Roberts on Mon Oct 19 21:34:14 2020
    Once you run out of things to tweak and customize is when the interest
    in being a Sysop dies. At least for me. Luckily most BBS software is
    so complicated that you never run out of things to do.

    Isn't that what coding is for? Because then you just think up something new, and you have yet another BBS project of questionable value (but great fun).

    Alternatively, you could try yet another BBS package. I hear that's pretty popular, too.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Adept on Mon Oct 19 16:06:22 2020
    Isn't that what coding is for? Because then you just think up something new,
    and you have yet another BBS project of questionable value (but great fun).

    Alternatively, you could try yet another BBS package. I hear that's pretty popular, too.

    Very true. I have a mental to-do list of customizations I'd like to make to the menus and prompts of Synchronet, but I haven't yet cracked open the menu files to take a look (beyond switching to DDMsgReader).

    I do admire the Sysops who have multiple BBS softwares running. Doubly impressed with the Sysops that have the softwares feeding FTN/QWK network messages between the two. Pretty slick.

    |08~|05B|03ob|08:|06R|03ob|08~
    |07



    ... Black holes are outa sight!
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Adept on Tue Oct 20 12:39:00 2020
    Isn't that what coding is for? Because then you just think up something new, and you have yet another BBS project of questionable

    Alternatively, you could try yet another BBS package. I hear that's pretty

    Hmm I never got a handle on installing BBS packages ad infinitum. I did once ìor twice go looking for something different, probably early 90's but failing ìto find compelling reasons to swap stuck with what I had. If something came ìalong that looked like a good thing, you'd try and tack it on somehow. Sort ìof looked like a bad jigsaw puzzle from my side, but seemed smooth enough to ìthe users.

    And of course, I can't code for schnitzengruben. Except for the really basic ìodd thing. :)

    Spec


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Bob Roberts on Wed Oct 21 01:17:46 2020
    I do admire the Sysops who have multiple BBS softwares running. Doubly

    The very idea exhausts me. :)

    To be fair, while I occasionally think about switching software, it's mostly
    so that I can have a different language to code in, as I know nothing about Pascal, and know little about Python2.

    But not like I'm a super great Javascript programmer, either, or would
    actually code more than I have.

    Then again, I'm still trying to make daily ANSIs for a calendar (I'm up to
    108 ANSIs for the project, which seems like a lot, but is probably at least
    260 away from feeling complete enough for a 1st official version.

    And I should probably release it as something that others can use, but I'm heavily using "Storm BBS" or personal things in the ANSIs themselves, so it might not be of interest anyway.

    If you're wondering what they look like, you could come to my BBS, but I've posted pictures of the ANSIs on my Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/AdeptStormBBS). Some day I'll get around to putting more useful stuff on stormbbs.com, too, even if I'm the only one that uses my BBS.

    But, eh, again, passion project / hobby, for all of us. Well, at least almost all of us. Who knows if someone is getting something additional out of this? And, hey, my BBS projects have been good for keeping my Github activity a bit greener than it might have otherwise been.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Spectre on Wed Oct 21 01:26:10 2020
    Hmm I never got a handle on installing BBS packages ad infinitum. I did once ìor twice go looking for something different, probably early 90's
    but failing ìto find compelling reasons to swap stuck with what I had.

    I don't really remember how I decided on the BBS software I did (I have
    various things written about the choice, but I'm not sure how much I
    expressed how I reached the decision. And some of it probably disappeared during maintenance one night.), but it a) cost me $80, and b) no one else in the area ran the software.

    Yet when I was interested in doing the sysop thing again, I looked for ways
    to make the darn thing work despite being 20 years out of date.

    So I imagine I probably wouldn't want to bother ditching Mystic unless g00r00 clearly went away from development.

    But there's a _lot_ that goes into getting a BBS into decent shape, and it doesn't transfer between software all that well.

    E.g., you might be able to keep most of the menus, but you're definitely
    going to have to rework what options are available on them.

    And all the various message and file area setup will be entirely different.

    And likely anything you coded for that BBS will have to be redone for the different BBS software.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Adept on Tue Oct 20 21:44:24 2020
    On 20 Oct 2020, Adept said the following...

    I don't really remember how I decided on the BBS software I did (I have various things written about the choice, but I'm not sure how much I expressed how I reached the decision.

    I remember when I was thinking about starting a BBS back in the day, PCBoard seemed to be what everyone was using. I forget exactly how much it cost, but I remember thinking that I couldn't afford a PCBoard license at the time (being in high school).

    That's when I discovered Telegard. It was free & nobody else was running it in my area, so I dove in & never looked back.


    Jay

    ... Why was the baby ant confused? Because all his uncles were ants!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Adept on Wed Oct 21 06:02:04 2020

    Isn't that what coding is for? Because then you just think up something new,and you have yet another BBS project of questionable value (but
    great fun).
    Alternatively, you could try yet another BBS package. I hear that's prettypopular, too.

    Adept,

    For me, it's not about coding a new idea, nor running out of configuration I could do. My Mystic BBS is far from done, but if you called, you'd be surprised the difference since our last call :) I change things daily.

    I can't speak for all SysOps, but for me, running multiple BBS's is for multiple reasons:

    1. I ran C-Net through highschool, then WWIV through my twenties ..
    I chose to add a WWIV BBS for the sake of nostalgia and because it's being supported again. I LOVE Mystic and am not replacing this BBS. But I do like some of the features of WWIV that have remained in place for over 30 years that I had missed, and it's fun getting back into it.
    Who knows, maybe I'll run into old BBS friends from Colorado when they get the itch to see if a WWIV BBS is still online.
    2. I, and a few others that run multiple BBS's, come up with a new idea for a theme: name, story, new alias, etc ... and what the heck, it's not costing me another internet connection/phone line like back in the day :)
    3. Coding is a part of it, and between Mystic, Syncronet, and WWIV, each use different languages to learn or get back into. So .. thats a fun aspect as well.
    4. Getting a new PI and needing something to do with it, and a desire to learn linux :) But that will be my third BBS .. haha!

    Then when all said it can be a juggling act and overwhelming at times, but the non primary BBS's, for me, are longer term projects, and my 13 year old is helping me build the second one (well, he's learning). Mystic is still the primary focus for me as g00r00 has done a fantastic job of keeping it current and supported; as have many SysOps here and on other Nets. I see the same on Sycronet too .. which would be another software I'd like to learn.

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/20 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to The Godfather on Wed Oct 21 12:28:38 2020
    On 21 Oct 2020, The Godfather said the following...

    1. I ran C-Net through highschool, then WWIV through my twenties ..
    I chose to add a WWIV BBS for the sake of nostalgia and because it's
    being supported again.

    Ditto for me and Telegard. I still like Telegard, but it does seem a little long-in-the-tooth when compared to Mystic. And with Mystic designed to be "spiritual successor to the Telegard and Renegade bulletin board systems" I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

    2. I, and a few others that run multiple BBS's, come up with a new idea for a theme: name, story, new alias, etc ... and what the heck, it's not costing me another internet connection/phone line like back in the day :)

    Haha, I just went with the non-creative Northern Realms/TG. I should perhaps put some more thought into it. One day maybe...

    4. Getting a new PI and needing something to do with it, and a desire
    to learn

    That's exactly why I moved Mystic over to my Pi. Of course now I have my NUC sitting there doing nothing...

    I see the same on Sycronet too .. which would be another software I'd TG> like to learn.

    I spun up Synchronet to take a look. I've seen it described as "a different beast" and it certainly is. I got it up & going and connected as a point to Mystic just by playing with it, but I've not even scratched the surface, (It's still stock).

    I'd love to see some how-to videos on it, kind of like what "mystic guy" did.


    Jay

    ... What do you call the wife of a hippie? A Mississippi!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)
  • From echicken to Warpslide on Wed Oct 21 15:08:43 2020
    Re: Re: TZUTC
    By: Warpslide to The Godfather on Wed Oct 21 2020 08:28:38

    I'd love to see some how-to videos on it, kind of like what "mystic guy" did.

    Not sure if you've seen them, but DM does have some videos on YouTube. If there are particular topics you'd like to see covered, maybe he'll take requests.

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to echicken on Wed Oct 21 15:18:03 2020
    On 21 Oct 2020, echicken said the following...

    I'd love to see some how-to videos on it, kind of like what "mystic g did.

    Not sure if you've seen them, but DM does have some videos on YouTube.
    If there are particular topics you'd like to see covered, maybe he'll
    take requests.

    Hmm, I haven't seen those. I'll see if I can't find them.


    Jay

    ... Believe me, the snowman doesn't carrot all

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/13 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)
  • From echicken to Warpslide on Wed Oct 21 15:22:42 2020
    Re: Re: TZUTC
    By: Warpslide to echicken on Wed Oct 21 2020 11:18:03

    Hmm, I haven't seen those. I'll see if I can't find them.

    Sorry - I was too lazy to look it up at the time for some reason:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsQ8iXU5yvrybyoEgo__97A

    ---
    echicken
    electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Warpslide on Wed Oct 21 16:27:58 2020
    I'd love to see some how-to videos on it, kind of like what "mystic guy" did.

    Digital Man has a few Synchronet videos up on Youtube. Here's one on how to install on Linux, but it sounds like you got that part done. :-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwqXcilaDCc

    Back in the day I ran WWIV, then Telegard, then Renegade. At this point a lot of people were switching to Wildcat, but I stuck with Renegade because I didn't need any multi-node stuff and I thought Wildcat's Yellow and White colors were ugly. I think if I didn't leave the scene before it showed up I would have switched to Mystic because it has that "l33t" look I always liked.

    In my area, warez boards all ran Celerity or Oblivion/2. The bigger "more professional" boards ran Wildcat or PCBoard. And the hobbists ran Renegade, RBBS, or GAP. This was in the early 90's.

    |08~|05B|03ob|08:|06R|03ob|08~
    |07



    ... Help stamp out and abolish redundancy.
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: Halls of Valhalla -hovalbbs.com:2333- SanFrancisco (21:2/118)
  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to The Godfather on Fri Oct 23 20:51:28 2020
    I can't speak for all SysOps, but for me, running multiple BBS's is for multiple reasons:

    1. I ran C-Net through highschool, then WWIV through my twenties ..
    I chose to add a WWIV BBS for the sake of nostalgia and because it's beingsupported again. I LOVE Mystic and am not replacing this BBS. But
    I do likesome of the features of WWIV that have remained in place for
    over 30 years thatI had missed, and it's fun getting back into it.
    Who knows, maybe I'll run into old BBS friends from Colorado when they
    get theitch to see if a WWIV BBS is still online.

    Well said! My first board (my early 20's) was WWIV and I have a great
    fondness for it. I complied the new release recently and it really took me back. I don't know if it's any more flexible in terms of theming/mods these days? Also, I don't know any C-languages, so my ability to mod is limited... But what a blast to see that familiar login... and WWIVnet :)

    2. I, and a few others that run multiple BBS's, come up with a new idea for atheme: name, story, new alias, etc ... and what the heck, it's not costing meanother internet connection/phone line like back in the day :)

    Love this idea! Great way to approach what I call "alts" - all my alternative BBS instances. Can't wait to see more of your themes. Do you have any running?

    3. Coding is a part of it, and between Mystic, Syncronet, and WWIV,
    each usedifferent languages to learn or get back into. So .. thats a
    fun aspect aswell.

    This is why Enigma will always be near and dear to me (and one of my
    favorite alts), I really love learning about the node/js based approach. But I'm also up for learning new languages and scripting. Mystic's support for Python3 looks promising.

    Synchronet, too. Rock-solid, responsive author and community, it's got all the hooks for customizations, but there doesn't seem to exist an easy (or tutorial-esque approach) to theming, which has been my main hesitation.

    And then I'm back to Mystic. When my Pi crashed--I lost EVERYTHING where my Enigma board and old BBS backups lived--I decided to return to Mystic and give it another go as my "main." I have so much to do (bless you all who have visited the site and given me feedback or just poked around), but I feel like I'm learning how to make better/more custom experiences. Create some custom python (maybe, eventually, MPL) things. I really appreciate the power of Mystic.

    4. Getting a new PI and needing something to do with it, and a desire
    to learnlinux :) But that will be my third BBS .. haha!

    I *did* get a replacement pi, and I considered putting DG on there,
    and I went down a massive, time-sucking rabbit hole testing different OSs,
    VMs, etc., and ending up just re-purposing an old, mid 2000's entry-level Toshiba laptop that I was going to junk. And it's PERFECT! But love me some Pi as well.

    Then when all said it can be a juggling act and overwhelming at times,
    but thenon primary BBS's, for me, are longer term projects, and my 13
    year old ishelping me build the second one (well, he's learning).
    Mystic is still theprimary focus for me as g00r00 has done a fantastic
    job of keeping it currentand supported; as have many SysOps here and on other Nets. I see the same onSycronet too .. which would be another software I'd like to learn.

    Total juggling act. Setting up a new BBS is a beautiful time-suck. So awesome you have a helper! I'm trying to get my (14 yo) daughter interested but I
    think it's way too primitive for her at this point in her life, LOL.

    One thing with Mystic -- I wish there was some sort of release roadmap or even an official place/way (e.g. discord or whatever) to discuss feature ideas with the sysop community and g00r00. But I get it's his software and he can do whatever he wants, and as long as he's supporting it, it's my BBS of choice at the moment...

    Cheers,

    |07┌[|08..|15Alpha|08.....................|07]┐
    |07├[|08..|11The Drunken Gamer BBS|08.....|07]┤ |07└[|08..|03TheDrunkenGamer.com:8888|08..|07]┘

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/20 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Drunken Gamer BBS (21:4/158)
  • From deon@21:2/116 to Alpha on Sat Oct 24 17:32:10 2020
    Re: TZUTC
    By: Alpha to The Godfather on Fri Oct 23 2020 04:51 pm

    Howdy,

    Synchronet, too. Rock-solid, responsive author and community, it's got all the hooks for customizations, but there doesn't seem to
    exist an easy (or tutorial-esque approach) to theming, which has been my main hesitation.

    Theming is probably done a little differently than how some BBSes are done. Synchronet comes with "Command Shells", and there are a few examples there that you could use as a starting place.

    I wrote a command shell that emulates Videotex viewdata - and I use it both with the original Videotex emulation (40x25 7 bit chars), and with a ANSI fusion. (You'll go into the ANSI fusion directly when connecting on port 24 of my BBS, and you can connect to the Videotex emulation if you connect on port 516 with an appropriate client).

    ...δεσ∩

    ... Elevators smell different to midgets
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: I'm playing with ANSI+videotex - wanna play too? (21:2/116)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Alpha on Sat Oct 24 07:36:15 2020
    Well said! My first board (my early 20's) was WWIV and I have a great fondness for it. I complied the new release recently and it really took meback. I don't know if it's any more flexible in terms of theming/mods thesedays? Also, I don't know any C-languages, so my ability to mod is limited...But what a blast to see that familiar login... and WWIVnet :)


    Hey Al!

    Yeah, I'm finding it more flexible. It's not mystic, where we can create custom BBS's totally in menus, but the menu modifications don't need to be coded in the source. I just moved all message area menu commands to their own menu off the of Main, within about 20 minutes. Now, the ANSI took longer, but thats just my slow drawing skills. They've added WWIV Basic, which is for scripting, similar to I suppose Mystic .mpl's, also very nice but haven't gotten that far into figuring out how to add those just yet. And, you get the entire source code to play with, which .. heck .. is awesome! I love the Waiting for call too! As for mods, theres still a WWIVnet Mod section, I'm not sure if it's active or not as I just got set up on WWIVnet. WWIV also supports FTN now, so just signed up for FsxNet on my WWIV BBS. I'll be figuring out how to set that up later today after some sleep ... I know a SysOp who is proposing a Wiki, along with links to GitHub repositories of mods people have created to source codes. That would be fantastic if it occurs. Also, Apam, has already written two doors (if not more) for WWIV: a BBS List similar but different to gy-blam (light bars, telnet, but I don't think import of the ibbslist yet(?) I could be wrong, he just hatched it out via FSXnet so .. check that out,) and has the interBBS one liners script working with WWIV. Lastly, but not least, the SysOps are very supportive and active (Rush Fan and Weatherman, Apam, to name a few ...)

    Downsides?

    No clear screen pipe code or mci code to insert before or into ANSI's.
    Adding Display files are coded into the source, not configurable in menu editor.
    Menu editor is basic, but functional. Rush and team have plans to improve it. No pre-login menu to customize the login process (that I've discovered yet, but likely may exist.)
    Not sure (yet, posted the question) if WWIV
    supports door32.sys to work with BBSlink or Door Party, but sure hope so!! Thats as far as I've gotten so far.

    But every BBS software is different and this one brings back those memories and one I had wanted to get built after my Mystic BBS was "mostly (like ever fully) customized."

    Love this idea! Great way to approach what I call "alts" - all my alternativeBBS instances. Can't wait to see more of your themes. Do you have any running?

    So I have the
    www.theunderground.us:10023 Mystic "The Underground." www.theunderground.us:9707 WWIV "The Ruins" named by my 13 and 9 year old, and still working on ANSI's and config. But you can check it out! I still have place holders with "The Underground" ANSI's in a couple of areas, until I draw ANSI's unique to the theme. I also still need to write the story. But hey, it's a process, right?

    As for different themes within Mystic? Not yet. Thats another longer term project. And, as for porting The Ruins through The Underground, not till it's done. I read someone mention they're running some type of front door type program that allows a user to select which BBS they want to visit at login, without having different telnet ports, but I'm unclear how to get that working just yet :)

    This is why Enigma will always be near and dear to me (and one of my favorite alts), I really love learning about the node/js based approach. ButI'm also up for learning new languages and scripting. Mystic's
    support forPython3 looks promising.

    I surely don't want to offend anyone by saying this, but for some reason Node/js and C both feel similar to me. Maybe its the { }'s .. I dunno. But I too love node/js and I find C to be easy to read. Each program has it's own syntax, but despite years gone by, I could tell what the code was doing for the most part, just skimming through the various source files.

    And then I'm back to Mystic. When my Pi crashed--I lost EVERYTHING where my Enigma board and old BBS backups lived--I decided to return to Mystic and give it another go as my "main." I have so much to do (bless you all who have visited the site and given me feedback or just poked around),
    but I feel like I'm learning how to make better/more custom experiences. Create some custom python (maybe, eventually, MPL) things. I really

    Yeah I suck at Python and .MPL, but Dan's been trying to help teach me :) Thanks BP if you're reading. I want to learn Python for the API functionality .. I have a few ideas relating to the new marque feature I'd love to create, but only so many hours in a day. I too have a Pi4 (new model 8gb ram version ..) sitting next to me that I'll probably install another Mystic BBS on when done with the basic config of WWIV :) Haven't seen an Enigma BBS to my knowledge, but the names familiar enough I'm probably sticking foot in mouth and someone will say "Dude, you call my board weekly).

    and I went down a massive, time-sucking rabbit hole testing different OSs,VMs, etc., and ending up just re-purposing an old, mid 2000's entry-level Toshiba laptop that I was going to junk. And it's PERFECT!
    But love me some Pi as well.

    Sounds like you have to put the PI to work!

    Total juggling act. Setting up a new BBS is a beautiful time-suck. So awesomeyou have a helper! I'm trying to get my (14 yo) daughter
    interested but Ithink it's way too primitive for her at this point in
    her life, LOL.

    Well, my 13 year old is great with names, themes, stories, do to the his joy of reading and video games. However, his attention span to help get it all setup is more like "Hey dad, when you're with that let me know so I can check it out!" Uhg. But thats ok. My 9 year old love art, so he likes watching me do ANSI, and gives me good tips occasionally :)

    One thing with Mystic -- I wish there was some sort of release roadmap
    or evenan official place/way (e.g. discord or whatever) to discuss
    feature ideas withthe sysop community and g00r00. But I get it's his software and he can dowhatever he wants, and as long as he's supporting it, it's my BBS of choice atthe moment...

    I've found g00r00 very responsive to support, as well as taking ideas and running with them. He seems very motivated to release a kick butt .47. I find him most active on FidoNet, ArakNet, and ZeroNet.

    Look forward to you checking things out!!

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/20 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to The Godfather on Sat Oct 24 21:17:04 2020
    As for different themes within Mystic? Not yet. Thats another longer termproject. And, as for porting The Ruins through The Underground, not till it'sdone. I read someone mention they're running some type of
    front door typeprogram that allows a user to select which BBS they want
    to visit at login,without having different telnet ports, but I'm unclear how to get that workingjust yet :)

    You could do this right from a custom Mystic Matrix menu! There's a menu option:

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    IT - Outbound TELNET Connection

    Data: /addr=<hostname> /port=1234

    This command creates a gated terminal session to another terminal server
    using the TELNET protocol. The /addr option must be included. ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    You could have menu options for each BBS. Run each BBS on the same machine (would require different ports), or at different host locations. Users would have to maintain seperate accounts on both boards of course.

    That's what I'm planning to do with my new WWIV playground :)

    |07┌[|08..|15Alpha|08.....................|07]┐
    |07├[|08..|11The Drunken Gamer BBS|08.....|07]┤ |07└[|08..|03TheDrunkenGamer.com:8888|08..|07]┘

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/20 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Drunken Gamer BBS (21:4/158)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Alpha on Sat Oct 24 19:20:07 2020
    You could do this right from a custom Mystic Matrix menu! There's a menu option:
    IT - Outbound TELNET Connection

    I hadn't thought about doing that. Heck, I have 4-5 different places people can telnet other BBS's, but had not thought about the matrix menu. I may give that a go once I have my WWIV Playground more ready for public scrutiny ;)

    Thanks for the reminder/tip!

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/20 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to The Godfather on Sat Oct 24 16:58:18 2020
    BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)


    I hadn't thought about doing that. Heck, I have 4-5 different places people can telnet other BBS's, but had not thought about the matrix
    menu. I may give that a go once I have my WWIV Playground more ready
    for public scrutiny ;)
    I got 3 systems. Mystic/WWIV and Winserver lol


    --- WWIV 5.6.0.3288
    * Origin: inland utopia * socal usa * iutopia.duckdns.org:2023 (21:4/108)
  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to The Godfather on Sat Oct 24 22:18:02 2020
    On 24 Oct 2020, The Godfather said the following...

    As for different themes within Mystic? Not yet. Thats another longer term project. And, as for porting The Ruins through The Underground,
    not till it's done. I read someone mention they're running some type of front door type program that allows a user to select which BBS they want to visit at login, without having different telnet ports, but I'm
    unclear how to get that working just yet :)



    I do this exact thing, stole the idea from Todd at Error 404 (along with just about everything else he has done!) I had it setup to take all of the calls being sent to my boards, and then they could pick which board. That didn't
    work well with my Commodore boards so now, it is only on my website. If you
    go to my website there is an option to Telnet to the BBS' and when you hit connect it goes to the menu and the user picks which BBS they want to visit. The first 3 handle ANSI the last 3 all CBM boards handle ANSI and now the
    added speed to handle the ANSI.. It's a nice setup to get into. It's very simple to do, I just use another instance of Mystic to do it, instead of
    using my main board to run the matrix menu. So in essense the caller goes
    into the matrix board, and then chooses and that board telnets out to my
    other boards. When they are finished it bops them back to the menu and they
    can choose another board to log into..

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Wrong Number Family Of BBS' - Wrong Number ][ (21:4/131)
  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Utopian Galt on Sat Oct 24 22:22:34 2020
    I got 3 systems. Mystic/WWIV and Winserver lol

    Winserver is the new Wildcat, right? Do you have WT-LORD hooked up? I've been itching to give it a whirl...just out of curiosity to see how it's different than regular LORD :P

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/06 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: monterey bbs (21:1/168)
  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Ryan on Sat Oct 24 22:36:36 2020
    BY: ryan(21:1/168)


    I got 3 systems. Mystic/WWIV and Winserver lol

    Winserver is the new Wildcat, right? Do you have WT-LORD hooked up? I've been
    itching to give it a whirl...just out of curiosity to see how it's
    different
    than regular LORD :P
    its there. i usually validate people the next night people call.


    --- WWIV 5.6.0.3288
    * Origin: inland utopia * socal usa * iutopia.duckdns.org:2023 (21:4/108)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Utopian Galt on Sun Oct 25 02:05:43 2020
    I got 3 systems. Mystic/WWIV and Winserver lol

    Have you gotten FSXNet to connect to WWIV? I'm having troubles with the setup. The docs are old and the "Whats new" is filling in the pieces to my knowledge. I sent my setup to Rushfan, but just curious if you have it running on it's own node?

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/20 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From The Godfather@21:1/165 to Bucko on Sun Oct 25 02:07:33 2020
    On 24 Oct 2020, Bucko said the following...

    website. If yougo to my website there is an option to Telnet to the BBS' and when you hitconnect it goes to the menu and the user picks which BBS

    Hey Bucko, would love to see it! What is your web page?

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/20 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)
  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to The Godfather on Sat Oct 24 23:34:44 2020
    BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)


    I got 3 systems. Mystic/WWIV and Winserver lol

    Have you gotten FSXNet to connect to WWIV? I'm having troubles with the setup. The docs are old and the "Whats new" is filling in the pieces to
    my knowledge. I sent my setup to Rushfan, but just curious if you have
    it running on it's own node?
    Im doing it right now.


    --- WWIV 5.6.0.3288
    * Origin: inland utopia * socal usa * iutopia.duckdns.org:2023 (21:4/108)
  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to The Godfather on Sun Oct 25 12:35:09 2020
    On 24 Oct 2020, The Godfather said the following...


    Hey Bucko, would love to see it! What is your web page?

    -tG

    wnbbs.duckdns.org tG.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Wrong Number Family Of BBS' - Wrong Number ][ (21:4/131)
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to All on Sun Oct 25 18:10:56 2020
    Can you please change the subject line, if your discussing totally different stuff (and maybe switch to the proper echomail area – like FSX_BBS or FSX_MYS) ;)

    Alpha wrote (2020-10-24):

    As for different themes within Mystic? Not yet. Thats another
    longer termproject. And, as for porting The Ruins through The
    Underground, not till it'sdone. I read someone mention they're
    running some type of front door typeprogram that allows a user to
    select which BBS they want to visit at login,without having
    different telnet ports, but I'm unclear how to get that workingjust
    yet :)

    You could do this right from a custom Mystic Matrix menu! There's a menu option:

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    IT - Outbound TELNET Connection

    Data: /addr=<hostname> /port=1234

    This command creates a gated terminal session to another terminal server using the TELNET protocol. The /addr option must be included. ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    You could have menu options for each BBS. Run each BBS on the same machine (would require different ports), or at different host locations. Users would have to maintain seperate accounts on both boards of course.

    That's what I'm planning to do with my new WWIV playground :)

    |07_[|08..|15Alpha|08.....................|07]_
    |07_[|08..|11The Drunken Gamer BBS|08.....|07]_ |07_[|08..|03TheDrunkenGamer.com:8888|08..|07]_

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/20 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: The Drunken Gamer BBS (21:4/158)

    * Origin: (21:3/102)
  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Utopian Galt on Sun Oct 25 13:44:16 2020
    its there. i usually validate people the next night people call.

    Sweet. I'll give it a call. Thanks :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/06 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: monterey bbs (21:1/168)
  • From Zazz@21:1/134 to ryan on Mon Oct 26 16:19:49 2020
    Winserver is the new Wildcat, right? Do you have WT-LORD hooked up? I've been itching to give it a whirl...just out of curiosity to see how it's different than regular LORD :P

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/06 (Linux/64)

    I've got WT-LORD on my Winserver wcalt.rdfig.net:2324

    Go to doors Menu and select Option D and in that menu it will be number 11

    Ruben Figueroa aka Zazz
    Mystic Prison Board Sysop
    telnet://pbmystic.rdfig.net:24
    Web: www.rdfig.net

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/06/11 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Mystic Prison Board BBS*Mesquite Tx (21:1/134)