@TID: WWIV NET5.5.0.development
@MSGID: 21:1/182 5F85137E
@CHRS: CP437 2
@TZUTC: 1000
@PID: WWIV 5.5.0.development
My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..
Rushfan fixed it in 5.6 today and I pulled the patch and applied it to
my 5.5 setup.
How's that for customer service. :)
My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..
Looks right.
It was kind of funny actually.. I pulled 5.6 installed it, found the bug wrote an issue, but at the same time he also found the bug and fixed it.
Well perhaps not hilariously funny.
Yep pretty good! Today he fixed a bug before I even finished submittingWhat is TZUTC in FTN terms?
an issue for it.
What is TZUTC in FTN terms?
just wondering.
My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..
My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..
Rushfan fixed it in 5.6 today and I pulled the patch and applied it to
my 5.5 setup.
What is TZUTC in FTN terms?
just wondering.
I should probably get a 2nd fsxnet address to test FTN stuff with... :)
Maybe you could help me get WWIV to compile right? Still having issues ........ would love to get it going as a second BBS. Would love to
connect to see what I'm doing wrong with the command lines for github. I've only ever used github to add new CSS or HTML files to my
repositories.
My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..
Rushfan fixed it in 5.6 today and I pulled the patch and applied it to
my 5.5 setup.
@TID: WWIV NET5.5.0.development
@MSGID: 21:1/182 5F85137E
@CHRS: CP437 2
@TZUTC: 1000
@PID: WWIV 5.5.0.development
--- WWIV 5.5.0.development
* Origin: The Barbed Hook - telnet://barbedhook.ddns.net:2323/
I should probably get a 2nd fsxnet address to test FTN stuff with... :)
Probably not a bad idea, Paul's unlikely to flip out and shut down the
net in a moment of weakness lol. FSXnet is experimental after all :)
Are the dox going to be updated soon after 5.6 is released with either updating the sections updated or with a What's New?
BTW...got your ANSI art set up in place of the standard login/logout.
It has a silly format where it uses doesn't use a + to signify timezones greater than UTC, but uses a - to signify timezones less than UTC. So I guess the bug went unnoticed while people weren't using WWIV on this side of the dateline with FTN.
I wonder if we should just use UTC in the time/date field and have a timezone kludge that is only informational.
I wonder if we should just use UTC in the time/date field and have a
timezone kludge that is only informational.
I don't think that would change much, either way you need both to figure out local time.
Why do I need to know your local time? My local time I can figure out.
I know this was directed at Rushfan, but why not post the issues you're having here? Or maybe in the BBS area?
That way any of us other WWIV users can jump in as well.
Andrew
Maybe you could help me get WWIV to compile right? Still having issues ........ would love to get it going as a second BBS. Would love to
connect to see what I'm doing wrong with the command lines for github. I've only ever used github to add new CSS or HTML files to my
repositories.
I have set up a net between my Titan BBS, This BBS and my test WWIV on
Rpi, you could do that too - but here there are more eyes to spot any mistakes :)
Are the dox going to be updated soon after 5.6 is released with either updating the sections updated or with a What's New?
I imagine so, all the versions so far have updated documents. 5.5 is currently a "Prerelease/Stable" according to the website, so I imagine
it will be a while before 5.6 comes out.
Sure, drop by IRC and try thegit commands from the command lines (that's easier), then we've fixed the issues you hit with visual studio crashing with certain elements in the cmakesettings.json file.
RE: TZUTC
BY: All
My TZUTC kludge should be fixed now..
Rushfan fixed it in 5.6 today and I pulled the patch and applied it to my 5.5 setup.
Apam wrote (2020-10-13):
It has a silly format where it uses doesn't use a + to signify timezones greater than UTC, but uses a - to signify timezones less than UTC. So I guess the bug went unnoticed while people weren't using WWIV on this side of the dateline with FTN.
I wonder if we should just use UTC in the time/date field and have a timezone kludge that is only informational.
Well thats what I did, but the command lines within the instructions
are for linux. I did not see, on github, command line instructions for
VS command shell / VS powershell, for windows. So when I get to the
part of using cmake, I get errors. Thats when I have to switch to the desktop VS to compile. When I do that, I get errors during compiling. While it does complete the compile; I'm assuming errors would = buggy binaries if I went to install WWIV(?) ... anyway, I'll try again this evening after insalling a couple of mods on Mystic. Maybe I'll try to install WWIV on my new Pi4 .. that should be a good project for me :)
I'm not very good at following instructions, so I deviated a bit, but
the end result is the same:
git clone https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv
cd wwiv
git checkout wwiv55
git submodule init
git submodule update
That makes sure you have the latest in the wwiv55 branch (if you want
the main branch which is what will become 5.6 just don't enter git checkout wwiv55)
That should get you past the bit you're having trouble with.
The challenge is more compiling the code within VS once pulled to
local, moreso then performing a git request. However, yes the submodules
So after pulling the repository using the command prompt tool, and it
not compiling, I attempted to use the VS desktop tool/version, which
did cmake/compile, and completed, however not without several errors as
it built.
So I suppose I'm looking for the full command prompt instructions for windows to fork, clone, cmake, compile, from VS command prompt; similar
to how is provided on the wwiv github page for linux.
I'll try again tomorrow, as it has been some time since I last tried, and I'll be sure to post the process and/or specific errors I'm running into, if helpful. I had side tabled it for a few weeks until my hand
recovered from a break, so the specific errors I had experienced, I
don't recall at the moment.....
I wonder if we should just use UTC in the time/date field and have a
timezone kludge that is only informational.
That would be the "right" way to do it, but it's too late for FidoNet.
I don't know how to do it with the command prompt, so may be that
rushfan
will have to help you there. Are you looking to automate the build?
It's easy in the IDE now that I work around the bug in visual studio. Just open the folder (File | Open | Folder) and then you an build all.
The harder way is from teh command prompt (and you have to use the "Developer Command Prompt for Visual Studio 2019")
Then let's say the directory W:\wwiv is where the git clone put the
files. W:
cd \wwiv
mkdir _build
cd _build
cmake ..
cmake --build .
Digital wrote (2020-10-13):
I wonder if we should just use UTC in the time/date field and have a
timezone kludge that is only informational.
That would be the "right" way to do it, but it's too late for FidoNet.
If software and standards can not evolve, it's dead network. It was maybe to late for TZUTC too.There is still software out there that does not support the TZUTC kludge (see this echo). The only way for this software to still transmit a non-local universal time is in UTC.
Thank you Rush, I had not tried it since you created a work around. Does this mean I can pull the repository using the Desktop version, without --recourse submodules? Or do you know the setting in the desktop
No, please follow the instructions apa provided, those are good to get
git repository cloned locally.
It's easy in the IDE now that I work around the bug in visual studio. Just open the folder (File | Open | Folder) and then you an build all.
compiling, within the desktop version, and earlier pull I had performed using that feature, and the comiple failed last night. So I'm going to
try again right now, and will follow Apam's instructions on pulling the file from command prompt, then use the Desktop VS, select the folder,
and let it run.
One last question before I start .. do I compile using debug or release?
Sorry my questions are so noob, I'll get the hang of this part and
things will go much smoother from there. But I want the source so I can mod, so I want to get the learning curve over of cloning, git requests,
and compiling down in 2020 compared to 1998 :)
I pulled it up in VS, cmake took just fine. I ran build and it was
doing well minus warnings which you stated should be expected. This is what I get everytime.
You don't need to run the tests, but i fyou want to you need to copy cl32.dll into the same directory as bbs_tests.exe
I got WWIV to compile! Thank you! lol! I'll now have a new toy to keep me up all night :)
Looking forward to hearing from you in a week or two.. :)
You won't believe this ..
I got WWIV to compile! Thank you! lol! I'll now have a new toy to keep
me up all night :)
Appreciate your patience and guidance as I learned new tools.
I love learning these new tools too. I learned GitHub, git, modern C++, markdown, and a bunch of other things too with WWIV recently. I also learned C originally with WWIV. Happy to see new folks learn new things with it too.
Looking forward to hearing from you in a week or two.. :)
lol! Al, it's a side project.
Yep, I have side projects too.. :)
I tried unsuccessfully to compile WWIV at one time quite a few years
ago. If I did get it compiled I'd have to learn WWIV also so that's why
I wasn't disappointed but I am glad to hear that you are beyond that and are left simply
with the configuration. That can be enough of a challenenge on it's own.
Good on you.. :)
Yes, that is what I don't like about WWIV, but also love. The "out of the box" WWIV is wonky to me, but always has been, as
are most basic BBS packages. It will take a lot of configuration prior to me putting it online. I really don't like how it
pauses over prompts; its a very unnecessary more: y/n/c to have to answer each time you return to a menu. I also don't like
Once you run out of things to tweak and customize is when the interest
in being a Sysop dies. At least for me. Luckily most BBS software is
so complicated that you never run out of things to do.
Isn't that what coding is for? Because then you just think up something new,
and you have yet another BBS project of questionable value (but great fun).
Alternatively, you could try yet another BBS package. I hear that's pretty popular, too.
Isn't that what coding is for? Because then you just think up something new, and you have yet another BBS project of questionable
Alternatively, you could try yet another BBS package. I hear that's pretty
I do admire the Sysops who have multiple BBS softwares running. Doubly
Hmm I never got a handle on installing BBS packages ad infinitum. I did once ìor twice go looking for something different, probably early 90's
but failing ìto find compelling reasons to swap stuck with what I had.
I don't really remember how I decided on the BBS software I did (I have various things written about the choice, but I'm not sure how much I expressed how I reached the decision.
Isn't that what coding is for? Because then you just think up something new,and you have yet another BBS project of questionable value (but
great fun).
Alternatively, you could try yet another BBS package. I hear that's prettypopular, too.
1. I ran C-Net through highschool, then WWIV through my twenties ..
I chose to add a WWIV BBS for the sake of nostalgia and because it's
being supported again.
2. I, and a few others that run multiple BBS's, come up with a new idea for a theme: name, story, new alias, etc ... and what the heck, it's not costing me another internet connection/phone line like back in the day :)
4. Getting a new PI and needing something to do with it, and a desire
to learn
I see the same on Sycronet too .. which would be another software I'd TG> like to learn.
I'd love to see some how-to videos on it, kind of like what "mystic guy" did.
I'd love to see some how-to videos on it, kind of like what "mystic g did.
Not sure if you've seen them, but DM does have some videos on YouTube.
If there are particular topics you'd like to see covered, maybe he'll
take requests.
Hmm, I haven't seen those. I'll see if I can't find them.
I'd love to see some how-to videos on it, kind of like what "mystic guy" did.
I can't speak for all SysOps, but for me, running multiple BBS's is for multiple reasons:
1. I ran C-Net through highschool, then WWIV through my twenties ..
I chose to add a WWIV BBS for the sake of nostalgia and because it's beingsupported again. I LOVE Mystic and am not replacing this BBS. But
I do likesome of the features of WWIV that have remained in place for
over 30 years thatI had missed, and it's fun getting back into it.
Who knows, maybe I'll run into old BBS friends from Colorado when they
get theitch to see if a WWIV BBS is still online.
2. I, and a few others that run multiple BBS's, come up with a new idea for atheme: name, story, new alias, etc ... and what the heck, it's not costing meanother internet connection/phone line like back in the day :)
3. Coding is a part of it, and between Mystic, Syncronet, and WWIV,
each usedifferent languages to learn or get back into. So .. thats a
fun aspect aswell.
4. Getting a new PI and needing something to do with it, and a desire
to learnlinux :) But that will be my third BBS .. haha!
Then when all said it can be a juggling act and overwhelming at times,
but thenon primary BBS's, for me, are longer term projects, and my 13
year old ishelping me build the second one (well, he's learning).
Mystic is still theprimary focus for me as g00r00 has done a fantastic
job of keeping it currentand supported; as have many SysOps here and on other Nets. I see the same onSycronet too .. which would be another software I'd like to learn.
Synchronet, too. Rock-solid, responsive author and community, it's got all the hooks for customizations, but there doesn't seem to
exist an easy (or tutorial-esque approach) to theming, which has been my main hesitation.
Well said! My first board (my early 20's) was WWIV and I have a great fondness for it. I complied the new release recently and it really took meback. I don't know if it's any more flexible in terms of theming/mods thesedays? Also, I don't know any C-languages, so my ability to mod is limited...But what a blast to see that familiar login... and WWIVnet :)
Love this idea! Great way to approach what I call "alts" - all my alternativeBBS instances. Can't wait to see more of your themes. Do you have any running?
This is why Enigma will always be near and dear to me (and one of my favorite alts), I really love learning about the node/js based approach. ButI'm also up for learning new languages and scripting. Mystic's
support forPython3 looks promising.
And then I'm back to Mystic. When my Pi crashed--I lost EVERYTHING where my Enigma board and old BBS backups lived--I decided to return to Mystic and give it another go as my "main." I have so much to do (bless you all who have visited the site and given me feedback or just poked around),
but I feel like I'm learning how to make better/more custom experiences. Create some custom python (maybe, eventually, MPL) things. I really
and I went down a massive, time-sucking rabbit hole testing different OSs,VMs, etc., and ending up just re-purposing an old, mid 2000's entry-level Toshiba laptop that I was going to junk. And it's PERFECT!
But love me some Pi as well.
Total juggling act. Setting up a new BBS is a beautiful time-suck. So awesomeyou have a helper! I'm trying to get my (14 yo) daughter
interested but Ithink it's way too primitive for her at this point in
her life, LOL.
One thing with Mystic -- I wish there was some sort of release roadmap
or evenan official place/way (e.g. discord or whatever) to discuss
feature ideas withthe sysop community and g00r00. But I get it's his software and he can dowhatever he wants, and as long as he's supporting it, it's my BBS of choice atthe moment...
As for different themes within Mystic? Not yet. Thats another longer termproject. And, as for porting The Ruins through The Underground, not till it'sdone. I read someone mention they're running some type of
front door typeprogram that allows a user to select which BBS they want
to visit at login,without having different telnet ports, but I'm unclear how to get that workingjust yet :)
You could do this right from a custom Mystic Matrix menu! There's a menu option:
IT - Outbound TELNET Connection
I hadn't thought about doing that. Heck, I have 4-5 different places people can telnet other BBS's, but had not thought about the matrixI got 3 systems. Mystic/WWIV and Winserver lol
menu. I may give that a go once I have my WWIV Playground more ready
for public scrutiny ;)
As for different themes within Mystic? Not yet. Thats another longer term project. And, as for porting The Ruins through The Underground,
not till it's done. I read someone mention they're running some type of front door type program that allows a user to select which BBS they want to visit at login, without having different telnet ports, but I'm
unclear how to get that working just yet :)
I got 3 systems. Mystic/WWIV and Winserver lol
its there. i usually validate people the next night people call.I got 3 systems. Mystic/WWIV and Winserver lol
Winserver is the new Wildcat, right? Do you have WT-LORD hooked up? I've been
itching to give it a whirl...just out of curiosity to see how it's
different
than regular LORD :P
I got 3 systems. Mystic/WWIV and Winserver lol
website. If yougo to my website there is an option to Telnet to the BBS' and when you hitconnect it goes to the menu and the user picks which BBS
Im doing it right now.I got 3 systems. Mystic/WWIV and Winserver lol
Have you gotten FSXNet to connect to WWIV? I'm having troubles with the setup. The docs are old and the "Whats new" is filling in the pieces to
my knowledge. I sent my setup to Rushfan, but just curious if you have
it running on it's own node?
Hey Bucko, would love to see it! What is your web page?
-tG
As for different themes within Mystic? Not yet. Thats another
longer termproject. And, as for porting The Ruins through The
Underground, not till it'sdone. I read someone mention they're
running some type of front door typeprogram that allows a user to
select which BBS they want to visit at login,without having
different telnet ports, but I'm unclear how to get that workingjust
yet :)
You could do this right from a custom Mystic Matrix menu! There's a menu option:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
IT - Outbound TELNET Connection
Data: /addr=<hostname> /port=1234
This command creates a gated terminal session to another terminal server using the TELNET protocol. The /addr option must be included. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
You could have menu options for each BBS. Run each BBS on the same machine (would require different ports), or at different host locations. Users would have to maintain seperate accounts on both boards of course.
That's what I'm planning to do with my new WWIV playground :)
|07_[|08..|15Alpha|08.....................|07]_
|07_[|08..|11The Drunken Gamer BBS|08.....|07]_ |07_[|08..|03TheDrunkenGamer.com:8888|08..|07]_
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2020/10/20 (Linux/64)
* Origin: The Drunken Gamer BBS (21:4/158)
its there. i usually validate people the next night people call.
Winserver is the new Wildcat, right? Do you have WT-LORD hooked up? I've been itching to give it a whirl...just out of curiosity to see how it's different than regular LORD :P
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/06 (Linux/64)
Sysop: | echicken |
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Location: | Toronto, Ontario |
Users: | 2,224 |
Nodes: | 6 (0 / 6) |
Uptime: | 04:38:28 |
Calls: | 14,143 |
Files: | 295 |
Messages: | 551,220 |