• Re: covid, here we go aga

    From Hatton@21:4/10 to Weatherman on Sun Nov 15 22:10:00 2020
    Weatherman wrote to Ogg <=-

    There never seems to be any reports on how the vast majority
    of people sailed through this thing or how bad their sysmptoms
    were.

    It's just bad bad bad... we will die.

    It is a media virus, plain and simple. The fear porn drives their rating...
    They figure it isn't as exciting to report that 99% of the people
    recover each day with little or no symptoms.

    TL;DR - It's a mess, politicians and media types are workinig to
    bleed and blame anyone that doesn't agree with them and the average
    person is just caught in the middle.

    The main media culture is definitely taking advantage of the old
    saying, "if it bleeds it leads." Even worse there is a varying level
    of coverage depending on how good or bad things are going for the
    political party of choice for the network.

    At the same time, the virus is not some kind of fiction. People need
    to be careful but knowing exactly *what* is careful changes based on
    who you care to listen to.

    Hatton


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  • From Ron Lauzon@21:1/194 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 18 14:02:00 2020
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Weatherman <=-

    You need to get your "facts" from someplace other than CNN.

    State's ICUs filling up,

    Not with COVID cases. Mostly from the people who couldn't get the care they needed because bureaucrats with no knowledge shutdown the hospitals. Even
    when they reopened them again, they had people so scared that they couldn't
    get early treatment for their conditions. Now we are paying the price for those dumb decisions.

    long-tail Covid cases, no understanding of long-term effects;

    Which we have no information on. 6 months isn't "long-term".

    I don't think we know enough to be this cavalier about it.

    We know enough.

    1. 99.99% of the population simply won't be impacted (i.e. no hospitalization or death).
    2. For the ones who are hospitalized, if treated early, COVID is almost always curable.

    99% is an easy number to deal with. 246,000 deaths in the USA alone
    and climbing is not.

    That's 246,000 deaths **with** COVID - including people who had at least 2 co-morbidities.

    The number of deaths **from** COVID is only about 6,000. Doing a quick
    "back of the envelope" calculation, if we assume that COVID was the proverable "straw the broke the camel's back", we can probably put that number closer
    to 15,000. That's still far lower than the number of people who die from the seasonal flu.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@21:1/194 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 18 14:05:00 2020
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to The Godfather <=-

    That level of granularity would be effective if people respected
    public health rules.

    People would respect public health rules if they weren't stupid and contridictory.

    So, the COVID can get you when you walk from the restraunt door to your
    table, but can't get you at the table? Large get-togethers cause "spikes",
    yet the local big box retailer doesn't?

    The "public health rules" are simple moronic rules to make people scared and, therefore, controllable.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@21:1/194 to Adept on Wed Nov 18 14:07:00 2020
    Adept wrote to Arelor <=-

    It's just that masks are terribly comfortable -- I think everyone will
    be wearing them in the future.

    I haven't worn a mask yet through this scam-demic with no problems and only slight hassles.

    If people will stand up for their rights and stop fearing, we could all
    get back to normal quickly.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ron Lauzon on Wed Nov 18 12:09:00 2020
    Ron Lauzon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    State's ICUs filling up,

    Not with COVID cases. Mostly from the people who couldn't get the care they needed because bureaucrats with no knowledge shutdown the
    hospitals. Even when they reopened them again, they had people so
    scared that they couldn't get early treatment for their conditions.
    Now we are paying the price for those dumb decisions.

    You need to get your "facts" from someplace other than OANN.

    long-tail Covid cases, no understanding of long-term effects;

    Which we have no information on. 6 months isn't "long-term".

    What do you call lingering effects 6 months later? Perhaps we're
    going around on a semantics ride with this point, given the oldest
    discovered COVID-19 case was exactly one year ago.

    I don't think we know enough to be this cavalier about it.

    We know enough.

    99% is an easy number to deal with. 246,000 deaths in the USA alone
    and climbing is not.

    That's 246,000 deaths **with** COVID - including people who had at
    least 2 co-morbidities.

    Not sure of the point here, perhaps you could explain the difference
    between 246,000 deaths and 246,000 deaths with co-morbidities?




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ron Lauzon on Wed Nov 18 12:13:00 2020
    Ron Lauzon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    People would respect public health rules if they weren't stupid and contridictory.

    Generalization.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ron Lauzon on Wed Nov 18 12:15:00 2020
    Ron Lauzon wrote to Adept <=-

    I haven't worn a mask yet through this scam-demic

    I'm out.



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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Ron Lauzon on Wed Nov 18 15:28:46 2020
    The number of deaths **from** COVID is only about 6,000. Doing a quick "back of the envelope" calculation, if we assume that COVID was the proverable "straw the broke the camel's back", we can probably put that number closer to 15,000. That's still far lower than the number of people who die from the seasonal flu.

    WTF dude. If there was no Covid, they wouldn't have gotten sick enough to die from their health conditions. Therefore the cause of death is covid.

    Go look at one of the studies showing general death rate year over year. There is a huge spike in 2020. Excess Mortality is larger then even the ~250k official deaths. The estimate is that the TRUE number of deaths in the USA from Covid is around 382k.

    https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths .html

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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Ron Lauzon on Wed Nov 18 15:31:35 2020
    The "public health rules" are simple moronic rules to make people scared and, therefore, controllable.

    Durrrrrr.

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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Ron Lauzon on Wed Nov 18 15:32:36 2020
    If people will stand up for their rights and stop fearing, we could all get back to dying quickly.

    I fixed it for you.

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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Ron Lauzon on Wed Nov 18 15:35:40 2020
    ~250k official deaths. The estimate is that the TRUE number of deaths in the USA from Covid is around 382k.

    I'm correcting my math error:

    The TRUE number of deaths in the USA from Covid is around 329k, when you add the estimated 87k from excess mortality.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ron Lauzon on Thu Nov 19 00:03:16 2020
    It's just that masks are terribly comfortable -- I think everyone wil be wearing them in the future.

    I haven't worn a mask yet through this scam-demic with no problems and

    I appreciate your entirely appropriate response to my light-hearted movie quote.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 18 16:05:19 2020
    I haven't worn a mask yet through this scam-demic

    I'm out.

    Me three - as soon as someone jumps to some "there's a big conspiracy to make us wear masks" garbage I just turn the other way.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 18 19:48:26 2020
    On 18 Nov 2020, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    I haven't worn a mask yet through this scam-demic

    I'm out.

    I'm very happy I discovered Mystic's personal twit list.

    For those that don't know, you can add a UF menu option which will give your users a personal twit filter. Simply add one username per line and messages to/from that person are hidden.


    Jay

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Warpslide on Wed Nov 18 16:54:53 2020
    Re: covid, here we go aga
    By: Warpslide to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 18 2020 02:48 pm

    For those that don't know, you can add a UF menu option which will give your users a personal twit filter. Simply add one username per line and messages to/from that person are hidden.

    I knew that feature would come in handy!

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Al on Wed Nov 18 22:02:32 2020
    Re: covid, here we go aga
    By: Al to Warpslide on Wed Nov 18 2020 11:54 am

    Re: covid, here we go aga
    By: Warpslide to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 18 2020 02:48 pm

    For those that don't know, you can add a UF menu option which will give your users a personal twit filter. Simply add one username per line and messages to/from that person are hidden.

    I knew that feature would come in handy!

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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    I think people is using it too liberally these days, though :-)

    It doesn't matter much because most BBS seem to be a one-man-operation, but I would not like being a caller for a BBS that applies twit filters so happily as a lot of people seem to be doing these days.

    Hmmmm.
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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Adept on Thu Nov 19 15:26:50 2020
    I appreciate your entirely appropriate response to my light-hearted movie quote.

    LOL

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Arelor on Wed Nov 18 21:33:36 2020
    Re: covid, here we go aga
    By: Arelor to Al on Wed Nov 18 2020 05:02 pm

    I think people is using it too liberally these days, though :-)

    I don't use them. If I come across something I don't want to spend my time on I just move along.

    It doesn't matter much because most BBS seem to be a one-man-operation, but I would not like being a caller for a BBS that applies twit filters so happily as a lot of people seem to be doing these days.

    Mystic's twit filter is per user thing, it's not destructive at all.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Arelor on Thu Nov 19 00:49:09 2020
    On 18 Nov 2020, Arelor said the following...

    I think people is using it too liberally these days, though :-)

    It doesn't matter much because most BBS seem to be a one-man-operation, but Iwould not like being a caller for a BBS that applies twit filters
    so happily asa lot of people seem to be doing these days.

    That's why I like Mystic's *personal* twit filters. That way I can apply them for my own account without affecting the other users. If there were other users, which they're aren't...

    Jay

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Al on Thu Nov 19 01:06:32 2020
    On 18 Nov 2020, Al said the following...

    Mystic's twit filter is per user thing, it's not destructive at all.

    There was only one user I added to my mailin.ini's twit filter. That one *is* destructive, but that person deserves it.

    Jay

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Warpslide on Wed Nov 18 22:15:13 2020
    Re: Re: covid, here we go aga
    By: Warpslide to Al on Wed Nov 18 2020 08:06 pm

    Mystic's twit filter is per user thing, it's not destructive at all.

    There was only one user I added to my mailin.ini's twit filter. That one *is* destructive, but that person deserves it.

    Yeah, mutil's twit filter is but the UF one is not.

    I did actually use mutil's filter at one time so I do understand. At the time my BBS was just me so it didn't affect anyone at all.. plus there was no per user filter at the time.

    Your BBS, your call but I think now we have a per user filter that's the best route.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ron Lauzon on Thu Nov 19 19:35:00 2020
    So, the COVID can get you when you walk from the restraunt door to your table, but can't get you at the table? Large get-togethers cause "spikes", yet the local big box retailer doesn't?

    The behaviour of people at a get-together is far different to what they'd do ìat a big box... They tend to gather and congregate within each others sphere ìof influence rather than wandering the store with some level of spacing ìlooking for whatever it is they're shopping for. Throw in some alcohol for ìextra stupidity and a large gathering is a molotov cocktail just waiting to ìhappen.

    Not sure about the restaurant example... we just had the whole thing shut ìdown, and I think it was to stop those waiting for a table collecting in a ìlarge group all together.

    Spec


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Fri Nov 20 01:52:19 2020
    It doesn't matter much because most BBS seem to be a one-man-operation, but I would not like being a caller for a BBS that applies twit filters
    so happily as a lot of people seem to be doing these days.

    I thought the referenced twit filters were per-user, thus it's pretty much irrelevant.

    That said, I'm not against deleting messages on my BBS (if it violates the no-politics rule, or just makes for a less-enjoyable reading experience, it's not like I _have_ to have the post -- that's what reading Fidonet is for.).

    But I imagine I'm the only one who ever reads messages on my BBS, so I have
    no idea why I'd bother.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@21:1/194 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Nov 20 14:42:00 2020
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    You need to get your "facts" from someplace other than OANN.

    I get my facts from many sources. OANN only being one of them.
    But at least OANN has a better track record of telling the truth than
    the rest of the Leftie media (who have demonstrated that they are unable
    to tell what the truth is).

    What do you call lingering effects 6 months later? Perhaps we're
    going around on a semantics ride with this point, given the oldest
    discovered COVID-19 case was exactly one year ago.

    I don't call anything lingering effects. That's my point: We don't have enough information or time to determine if there were actually
    "lingering effects" or if the person had something that was simply undetected before he was hospitalized with COVID.

    So anyone harping about "lingering effects of COVID" is just fear-mongering.

    That's 246,000 deaths **with** COVID - including people who had at
    least 2 co-morbidities.

    Not sure of the point here, perhaps you could explain the difference
    between 246,000 deaths and 246,000 deaths with co-morbidities?

    If you aren't sure, then you are just listening to the propaganda.

    So, a person is in a car wreck and dies from their injuries. But while
    in the hospital they are tested and have COVID. They are counted as a COVID death. This has been doing on since the start. And, yes, hospitals have admitted that they get extra money if they report a COVID death.

    The CDC reported that only 6% of that 246,000 number is death **from** COVID where COVID is the only, or major reason for the death.

    You can argue that COVID may have been what pushed someone "over the edge", but I would generously put that number at no more than another 6%.

    Everyone else died **with** COVID, not **from** COVID, making COVID a non-issue.



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  • From Ron Lauzon@21:1/194 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Nov 20 14:43:00 2020
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    People would respect public health rules if they weren't stupid and contridictory.

    Generalization.

    When the Lefties who impose those rules actually follow them you can make
    that claim.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@21:1/194 to Bob Roberts on Fri Nov 20 14:44:00 2020
    Bob Roberts wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    WTF dude. If there was no Covid, they wouldn't have gotten sick enough
    to die from their health conditions. Therefore the cause of death is covid.

    BS. So you are telling me that someone who was in a horrible car accident
    but has COVID died of COVID? That's dumb. And, yes, there have been several instances of those kinds of deaths being reported as COVID.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@21:1/194 to Bob Roberts on Fri Nov 20 14:46:00 2020
    Bob Roberts wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    ~250k official deaths. The estimate is that the TRUE number of deaths in the USA from Covid is around 382k.

    I'm correcting my math error:

    The TRUE number of deaths in the USA from Covid is around 329k, when
    you add the estimated 87k from excess mortality.

    Going from the CDC saying that only 6% died **from** COVID, the number is actually 19,740.

    But let's be generous and say that it's actually 12% because COVID could
    have "pushed them over the edge". Let's say 39,480.

    COVID's not nearly as scary now. But that's the point of your inflated numbers.

    Stop fear-mongering.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@21:1/194 to Spectre on Fri Nov 20 14:50:00 2020
    Spectre wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    The behaviour of people at a get-together is far different to what
    they'd do at a big box...

    Your attempt at a bad explanation fails to account for how the disease
    is spread.

    If masks work, why do we have to stay 6 ft apart? If we stay 6 ft apart
    why do we have to wear masks?

    If these rules are as simple as this, why is anything shut down? Just
    ask the businesses to follow these rules.

    Not sure about the restaurant example... we just had the whole thing
    shut down, and I think it was to stop those waiting for a table
    collecting in a large group all together.

    In our area, about every other table was "roped" off. You had to wear a mask from the door, but you could take it off at the table. So COVID can get you between tables, but not at the table? Stupid.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ron Lauzon on Sat Nov 21 10:25:00 2020
    Your attempt at a bad explanation fails to account for how the

    Shrug

    If masks work, why do we have to stay 6 ft apart? If we stay 6 ft

    Because both help, and neither is a complete answer in itself...

    If these rules are as simple as this, why is anything shut down?

    Because people are stupid and do silly things. Better to avoid the ìtemptation.

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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Ron Lauzon on Fri Nov 20 19:43:59 2020
    COVID's not nearly as scary now. But that's the point of your inflated numbers.

    You must live in New Zealand where their responsible science-based response has gotten things under control.

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  • From deepthaw@21:2/128 to Bob Roberts on Fri Nov 20 22:34:16 2020


    On 11/20/2020 2:43 pm Bob Roberts said...
    You must live in New Zealand where their responsible science-based response has gotten things under control.

    Between that, Taika Waititi and the beautiful landscapes where LOTR was filmed, what doesn't NZ have?


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to deepthaw on Sat Nov 21 04:54:25 2020
    Between that, Taika Waititi and the beautiful landscapes where LOTR was filmed, what doesn't NZ have?

    People?

    (To be fair, it was also one of the higher countries on my list of places to move to. But that's not nearly as entertaining of a response.)

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Adept on Sat Nov 21 00:56:11 2020
    On 20 Nov 2020, Adept said the following...

    Between that, Taika Waititi and the beautiful landscapes where LOTR w filmed, what doesn't NZ have?

    People?

    (To be fair, it was also one of the higher countries on my list of
    places tomove to. But that's not nearly as entertaining of a response.)

    NZ is on my bucket list. I will see it while I'm young enough to enjoy it. Of course I'll need to figure out how to survive a 26 hour flight first...

    Jay

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  • From apam@21:1/126.1 to Adept on Sat Nov 21 16:40:46 2020
    Between that, Taika Waititi and the beautiful landscapes where
    LOTR was
    filmed, what doesn't NZ have?

    People?

    Lol... I heard there are people in New Zealand, not all New Zealander's
    live in Australia :P

    Just kidding of course.. (plus I am sure there are plenty of Australian's living in NZ)

    (To be fair, it was also one of the higher countries on my list of
    places to
    move to. But that's not nearly as entertaining of a response.)

    I'd love to see NZ, probably not move there as my family is here, but I'd
    love to visit. New Zealand is at least in the realm of possibility one
    day.. maybe... unlike Canada (which I'd also love to see).

    Andrew


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to apam on Sat Nov 21 03:19:31 2020
    On 21 Nov 2020, apam said the following...

    Lol... I heard there are people in New Zealand, not all New Zealander's live in Australia :P

    Just kidding of course.. (plus I am sure there are plenty of Australian's living in NZ)

    I can give you a Zoom tour of Ontario. Toronto's in lockdown, but I can show you the CN tower through a pair of binoculars. (We can see it across the lake) - Niagara falls isn't locked down yet. Act now!

    Maybe Al can give you a virtual tour of BC, it's beautiful out there.

    Jay

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to apam on Sun Nov 22 00:57:00 2020
    Lol... I heard there are people in New Zealand, not all New Zealander's live in Australia :P

    Ackshully you know a large source of Kiwis in Aus is actually Pacific ìIslanders who can get an NZ passport and by extension automagically get the ìVISA.

    Spec


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to apam on Sat Nov 21 17:50:10 2020
    I'd love to see NZ, probably not move there as my family is here, but I'd love to visit. New Zealand is at least in the realm of possibility one day.. maybe... unlike Canada (which I'd also love to see).

    I guess I've tended to be more interested in moving places than in visiting places that are far away.

    Obviously, there's only so much movement one can do that's still in the realm of reasonable (and, realistically, I wouldn't mind if I stayed here), so
    being a tourist does seem like a good option.

    But it also seems like you see the tourist side of things, which, in my
    living in a bunch of places, seems to be almost entirely not like living in
    the place.

    It's also a reminder to occasionally be a tourist in your own area. Which I should definitely do here, though COVID still makes various aspects harder.
    But I've still taken photos of the impressive looking churches and other old buildings.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Bob Roberts on Sat Nov 21 14:04:41 2020
    Bob Roberts wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    WTF dude. If there was no Covid, they wouldn't have gotten sick enough
    to die from their health conditions. Therefore the cause of death is covid.

    Not necessarily true. I recently lost an aunt to the long term effects of dementia and a slow-growing cancer. If they had tested her at the end,
    found COVID, and reported it as a "death of COVID," that would not be at
    all correct.

    Ron is likely exaggerating some, but there have been places where they are certainly reporting deaths like those as "of COVID" because they get funds
    from the government for it.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Spectre on Sat Nov 21 14:45:53 2020
    Spectre wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    If masks work, why do we have to stay 6 ft apart? If we stay 6 ft

    Because both help, and neither is a complete answer in itself...

    Wear a good mask, stay 6 ft apart, and wash your hands often. That is
    still not 100% but it is the best most can do short of having no human
    contact at all or wearing a HAZMAT suit.

    I have felt like, at times here, they got to pushing the "wear a mask" narrative and were not pushing the other two enough any more, *especially*
    the hand washing. Some people think a mask means they don't have to observe social distancing, for example.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Ron Lauzon on Sat Nov 21 14:48:05 2020
    I don't call anything lingering effects. That's my point: We don't
    have enough information or time to determine if there were actually "lingering effects" or if the person had something that was simply undetected before he was hospitalized with COVID.

    We are starting to get there, though. There has been plenty enough info
    for a while that some people seem to recover and then have a sudden relapse that quickly ends in death. There are others who are not so old who
    eventually seem to recover but find themselves, without pre-existing conditions, on O2 for a extended period for the first time in their lives.

    So, a person is in a car wreck and dies from their injuries. But while
    in the hospital they are tested and have COVID. They are counted as a COVID death. This has been doing on since the start. And, yes,
    hospitals have admitted that they get extra money if they report a
    COVID death.

    That is true in some places for certain. Like you said, it is so they get
    more money but it also means the death has been reported as such which
    inflates the numbers reported on TV later.

    I would rather be safe than sorry, so I am still going to take precautions while also taking everything I hear with a grain of salt.


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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to deepthaw on Sat Nov 21 17:49:13 2020
    You must live in New Zealand where their responsible science-based
    response has gotten things under control.

    Between that, Taika Waititi and the beautiful landscapes where LOTR was filmed, what doesn't NZ have?

    I'm not sure. I think they have it all. One of my favorite bands, Broods, is also from NZ. I had been planning a visit before Covid. I hope to visit someday.

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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Adept on Sat Nov 21 17:50:21 2020
    Between that, Taika Waititi and the beautiful landscapes where LOTR
    was filmed, what doesn't NZ have?

    People?

    Another positive! :-)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Blue White on Mon Nov 23 01:45:00 2020
    On 11-21-20 09:45, Blue White wrote to Spectre <=-

    Wear a good mask, stay 6 ft apart, and wash your hands often. That is still not 100% but it is the best most can do short of having no human contact at all or wearing a HAZMAT suit.

    Yes, the infection control measures work best together.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Vk3jed on Sun Nov 22 14:07:11 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to Blue White <=-

    Wear a good mask, stay 6 ft apart, and wash your hands often. That is still not 100% but it is the best most can do short of having no human contact at all or wearing a HAZMAT suit.

    Yes, the infection control measures work best together.

    I feel like our local authorities went off message a little bit when they started with the mask mandates. They stopped suggesting the other measures
    as much and, as folks here had a tendency to invade personal space before
    the virus, I feel like the reminders to continue to stay 6 ft apart and wash their hands would have been wise.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@21:1/194 to Blue White on Sun Nov 22 17:15:00 2020
    Blue White wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    We are starting to get there, though.

    No, we're pretty far away. It will take years.

    There has been plenty enough
    info for a while that some people seem to recover and then have a
    sudden relapse that quickly ends in death.

    I've seen nothing on that and I've been looking.

    Part of the problem is that there are too many other variables in play. And if they aren't reporting correct COVID numbers
    (i.e. they are in the hospital because of COVID or because of something else and just happen to have COVID), then it
    will take a very long time to sort all that out.

    I would rather be safe than sorry, so I am still going to take
    precautions while also taking everything I hear with a grain of salt.

    And if that's your choice, then fine. But the gov't shouldn't be making that choice for people.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Blue White on Wed Nov 25 00:22:00 2020
    On 11-22-20 09:07, Blue White wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I feel like our local authorities went off message a little bit when
    they started with the mask mandates. They stopped suggesting the other measures as much and, as folks here had a tendency to invade personal space before the virus, I feel like the reminders to continue to stay 6
    ft apart and wash their hands would have been wise.

    Ours did keep mentioning all of the measures. Masks are a layer of defence that work along with distancing and hand hygiene, etc. Given that we are now at 0 cases all round here, masks are no longer required outdoors, if social distancing can be maintained.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Vk3jed on Tue Nov 24 09:53:40 2020
    Re: Re: covid, here we go aga
    By: Vk3jed to Blue White on Tue Nov 24 2020 07:22 pm

    On 11-22-20 09:07, Blue White wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I feel like our local authorities went off message a little bit when they started with the mask mandates. They stopped suggesting the other measures as much and, as folks here had a tendency to invade personal space before the virus, I feel like the reminders to continue to stay 6 ft apart and wash their hands would have been wise.

    Ours did keep mentioning all of the measures. Masks are a layer of defence that work along with distancing and hand hygiene, etc. Given that we are no at 0 cases all round here, masks are no longer required outdoors, if social distancing can be maintained.


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    Our local authorities did a great job messing up.

    They started saying that masks were non-sense, then they made them mandatory.

    I stand with what the manufacturers used to claim before the pandemic: "This offers no protection against biohazzards" (for most masks people are wearing nowadays).

    And I am shooting my own foot because masks are one of the hot products I am selling by now.

    If you want protection against getting infected, you need a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from you, but not the other way around. Even then, they don't beat avoiding contact with other people.

    I not optimistic because after all the masks, face shields, air filtering, hydroalcoholics, desinfectants and whatnot, I still got a (regular) flu.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Tue Nov 24 13:29:00 2020
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Tuesday 24.11.20 - 04:53, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed:

    If you want protection against getting infected, you need
    a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from
    you, but not the other way around. Even then, they don't
    beat avoiding contact with other people.

    Our EYES are left exposed from the outside world (ie. someone
    sneezing at you). The med experts have always said don't rub
    nose and mouth and eyes with hands to avoid getting a cold or
    flu.

    There is so much emphasis made on the airborne aspect of this
    thing, but the matter of exposure to the eyes is never talked
    about.


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  • From Xenos@21:4/147 to Ogg on Wed Nov 25 03:49:30 2020
    RE: covid, here we go aga
    BY: Ogg (21:4/106.21)

    On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 07:29, Ogg (21:4/106.21) wrote:

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    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Tuesday 24.11.20 - 04:53, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed:

    If you want protection against getting infected, you need
    a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from
    you, but not the other way around. Even then, they don't
    beat avoiding contact with other people.

    Our EYES are left exposed from the outside world (ie. someone
    sneezing at you). The med experts have always said don't rub
    nose and mouth and eyes with hands to avoid getting a cold or
    flu.

    There is so much emphasis made on the airborne aspect of this
    thing, but the matter of exposure to the eyes is never talked
    about.

    Here in the Philippines, aside from face masks being required when out of home, face shields are mandatory too.

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  • From deepthaw@21:2/128 to Vk3jed on Tue Nov 24 14:37:38 2020


    On 11/24/2020 7:22 pm Vk3jed said...
    I feel like our local authorities went off message a little bit
    when
    they started with the mask mandates. They stopped suggesting the
    other
    measures as much and, as folks here had a tendency to invade personal space before the virus, I feel like the reminders to continue to
    stay 6
    ft apart and wash their hands would have been wise.

    Ours did keep mentioning all of the measures. Masks are a layer of defence that work along with distancing and hand hygiene, etc. Given that we are now at 0 cases all round here, masks are no longer required outdoors, if social distancing can be maintained.

    I'd be curious to see studies on how much masks were worn in politically similar areas, between where they were recommended vs. where they were mandated. Mandating stuff tends to have the opposite effect here in the US.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to deepthaw on Tue Nov 24 17:14:08 2020
    On 24 Nov 2020, deepthaw said the following...

    I'd be curious to see studies on how much masks were worn in politically similar areas, between where they were recommended vs. where they were mandated. Mandating stuff tends to have the opposite effect here in the US.

    Kind of reminds me of this picture:

    https://bit.ly/2J3lPiE

    Jay

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Tue Nov 24 12:34:00 2020
    Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I not optimistic because after all the masks, face shields, air
    filtering, hydroalcoholics, desinfectants and whatnot, I still got a (regular) flu.

    It is heartening to see the incidence of regular flu dropping, thanks
    to masks and hand hygiene. I'm going to get a flu shot this year,
    it'll be my first. Don't want to mess with the possibility of flu and
    COVID, and want to avoid hospitals/urgent care at all costs.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Wed Nov 25 09:47:00 2020
    I stand with what the manufacturers used to claim before the pandemic: "This offers no protection against biohazzards" (for most masks
    people are wearing nowadays).

    This one is kind of interesting. "We" discovered locally there are a range ìof materials that actually do not work for a mask full stop. Mostly ìsynthetics, that don't stop the droplets just break them up into smaller ìdroplets. So there is the potential for some to be worse then useless.

    If you want protection against getting infected, you need a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from you, but not the

    This one is tricky too... first up you need a decent fit mask, which has been ìhard to do. Then they're designed to work on a clean shaven face. You can ìget by with a mo, but any beard growth and the effectiveness drops like a ìstone.

    I ended up with a respirator first up because I tend to be allergic to paper ìmasks. It was the only one I could get, it was meant to be large but its a ìreally lousy fit and leaks like a sieve around the nose. I'd probably be ìbetter served now getting a one of the fabric masks which weren't around in ìthe beginning.

    Spec


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to deepthaw on Tue Nov 24 18:09:06 2020
    deepthaw wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'd be curious to see studies on how much masks were worn in
    politically similar areas, between where they were recommended vs.
    where they were mandated. Mandating stuff tends to have the opposite effect here in the US.

    Well, in my extended family, the people you would probably think would be
    most likely not to be wearing masks or distancing are in the group that do, while the ones that you'd expect to be doing both (and that do preach it)
    are the ones most likely to be out socializing in their usually maskless
    "pods" and also the ones that have had multiple scares but luckily, so far, have not become ill.



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  • From Charles Pierson@21:4/111 to Xenos on Tue Nov 24 19:50:14 2020
    Thus spake Xenos:

    There is so much emphasis made on the airborne aspect of this
    thing, but the matter of exposure to the eyes is never talked
    about.

    Here in the Philippines, aside from face masks being required when out of home,
    face shields are mandatory too.

    Early on at least, hand washing and touching things was mentioned, as well as concern about being infected through mucous membranes like your eyes.

    I have seen some people in my area wearing face shields, mostly older people.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Wed Nov 25 02:22:21 2020
    If you want protection against getting infected, you need a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from you, but not the other way around. Even then, they don't beat avoiding contact with other
    people.

    Agreed on that in general, though there's some evidence that masks help
    protect the wearer to a lesser degree.

    That said, I have a proper respirator (with appropriate filtering on the outgoing air), but I mostly don't wear it because it's already next to impossible for people to understand me, due to me being quiet and speaking terrible German.

    But every mask I've worn, other than that respirator, has wound up fogging up my glasses at one point or another. I assume there's plenty of air going
    around the masks for everyone else, too.

    That said, I do seem to get stared at more often when I wear my good mask.
    But staring seems to be a thing Germans do, so I'm never quite sure on the cause.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Wed Nov 25 02:28:23 2020
    There is so much emphasis made on the airborne aspect of this
    thing, but the matter of exposure to the eyes is never talked
    about.

    Before movie theaters shut down here again, I was contemplating going, and I would've gone wearing goggles over my glasses, along with my good mask.

    It's interesting the level where I'll feel pretty safe. If I get up to the, "better than a nurse treating a COVID patient", I'm fine with most anything.

    On the other hand, I've always wanted to have a four-point harness and head-and-neck restraint things in cars, and wear body armor while riding a bike.

    But the goggles and mask are significantly cheaper than getting a fancy seat restraint installed in a car.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to deepthaw on Wed Nov 25 02:33:12 2020
    mandated. Mandating stuff tends to have the opposite effect here in the US.

    Didn't mandating seat belts wind up with greater seat belt usage? Especially
    in primary enforcement states? (States who can pull you over for not wearing
    a seatbelt, as opposed to those who can only ticket you for it if they pull
    you over for something else.)

    (Also, I'll view any discussion on whether or not we should mandate seatbelts to be a political discussion that I'll ignore. But I'm kind of interested on the stats on these sorts of things.)

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Tue Nov 24 22:29:17 2020
    Re: covid, here we go aga
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Tue Nov 24 2020 08:29 am

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Tuesday 24.11.20 - 04:53, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed:

    If you want protection against getting infected, you need
    a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from
    you, but not the other way around. Even then, they don't
    beat avoiding contact with other people.

    Our EYES are left exposed from the outside world (ie. someone
    sneezing at you). The med experts have always said don't rub
    nose and mouth and eyes with hands to avoid getting a cold or
    flu.

    There is so much emphasis made on the airborne aspect of this
    thing, but the matter of exposure to the eyes is never talked
    about.

    True.

    I wear a face shield but I am aware its usefulness is limited.

    Really, my first line of defense is dealing with no people. SOmething good about COVID
    is that now I have a socially acceptable way of doing just that :-P
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Tue Nov 24 22:34:27 2020
    Re: Re: covid, here we go aga
    By: Spectre to Arelor on Wed Nov 25 2020 04:47 am

    I stand with what the manufacturers used to claim before the pandemic: "This
    offers no protection against biohazzards" (for most masks
    people are wearing nowadays).

    This one is kind of interesting. "We" discovered locally there are a range of
    materials that actually do not work for a mask full stop. Mostly synthetics, that
    don't stop the droplets just break them up into smaller droplets. So there is the
    potential for some to be worse then useless.

    If you want protection against getting infected, you need a proper respirator.
    Most masks protect other prople from you, but not the

    This one is tricky too... first up you need a decent fit mask, which has been hard
    do. Then they're designed to work on a clean shaven face. You can get by with a m
    but any beard growth and the effectiveness drops like a stone.

    I ended up with a respirator first up because I tend to be allergic to paper masks.
    It was the only one I could get, it was meant to be large but its a really lousy fi
    and leaks like a sieve around the nose. I'd probably be better served now getting
    one of the fabric masks which weren't around in the beginning.

    Spec


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    effective as scarfs.

    If you can't relly keep away from people, the game right now is reducing the viral
    charge you get more than avoiding the complete viral charge, because that seems to me
    like a lost battle.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Arelor on Thu Nov 26 00:34:00 2020
    On 11-24-20 04:53, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Our local authorities did a great job messing up.

    They started saying that masks were non-sense, then they made them mandatory.

    Some of that came from places like the WHO, our authorities initially didn't consider masks, until evidence from overseas started showing that they do have an effect on slowing the spread.

    I stand with what the manufacturers used to claim before the pandemic: "This offers no protection against biohazzards" (for most masks people
    are wearing nowadays).

    For protecting YOU from biohazards, that's a reasonable statement (i.e. masks don't do much), but they do have a significant effect in reducing the chance that you will pass on COVID to others, if you happen to be infected. And that, as it turns out, can make a significant difference, if used in conjunction with other infection control measures.

    And I am shooting my own foot because masks are one of the hot products
    I am selling by now.

    :)

    If you want protection against getting infected, you need a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from you, but not the other way around. Even then, they don't beat avoiding contact with other
    people.

    Agree on all counts. Again, it's about using a layered strategy, much like computer security. :)

    I not optimistic because after all the masks, face shields, air
    filtering, hydroalcoholics, desinfectants and whatnot, I still got a (regular) flu.

    Well, we didn't really have a flu season here, and common colds were well down on a normal year. I think that's because of the multiple layers of protection used here - sanitation, measures to keep people apart, masks, to name a few. They seemed to work very well with the flu, and somewhat, but not quite as effectively with colds. Goes to show how infectious colds really are. :)

    Now that there's unlikely any COVID in the community here, the distancing rules have been relaxed considerably. Focus has moved to making sure workplaces and public places are regularly (as in multiple times per day) sanitised, along with having the ability to do contact tracing as fast and efficiently as possible. Almost everything is open, with increasing numbers being allowed to gather. Public venues - sports, entertainment, hospitality, etc, now have to gather names and contact details for visitors. Most now are using QR codes that allow people to submit that information online, but paper based registers are available as a backup. There's also a push for anyone with the slightest symptoms to get tested, with workers in some high risk settings being routinely tested.

    We still have one more opening up to go to get to "COVID normal" here, which will happen in December, well before Christmas. And that will stay (barring any outbreaks) until an effective vaccine is in widespread use.

    Seems authorities here are actually learning from each outbreak.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to deepthaw on Thu Nov 26 00:45:00 2020
    On 11-24-20 09:37, deepthaw wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'd be curious to see studies on how much masks were worn in
    politically similar areas, between where they were recommended vs.
    where they were mandated. Mandating stuff tends to have the opposite effect here in the US.

    Here, mandating was more effective, because it made things clear, and was backed up with some serious legal teeth ($200 fine). Breaches of other rules resulted in on the spot fines of $2k, which went up to $5k. If a case weht through the courts, the fines could be much higher.

    But even before masks were mandated, their use had been steadily increasing over the previous weeks to months.

    FYI, masks are no longer mandatory outdoors, unless you can't keep more than 1.5m away from other people. They are still mandatory in most indoor settings away from home, and anywhere outdoors where the 1.5m distance can't be maintained.

    It seems most Australians are mostly compliant if there's good reasons to follow the rules that are properly explained. And yes we've had uprisings when the rules weren't reasonable. :)

    To be honest, there were some protests towards the end of the statewide lockdowns, but most people took a dim view of them (as did the cops).

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Xenos on Thu Nov 26 00:59:00 2020
    On 11-24-20 22:49, Xenos wrote to Ogg <=-

    Here in the Philippines, aside from face masks being required when out
    of home, face shields are mandatory too.

    For some reason, face shields weren't permitted for general use (i.e. outside of environments where they are standard PPE). There was a reason, but I can't recall what it was.


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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Vk3jed on Wed Nov 25 15:27:52 2020
    FYI, masks are no longer mandatory outdoors, unless you can't keep more than 1.5m away from other people. They are still mandatory in most indoor settings away from home, and anywhere outdoors where the 1.5m distance can't be maintained.

    I'm curious what they are saying about the Vaccine in Australia.

    Over here in the USA, there is much excitement around the 3 vaccines which have now been reported as 90+% effective against Covid. 2 RNA ones (one of which has to be kept extermly cold), and the Oxford one. Once our FDA approves them for emergency use, there are supposed to doses sent to all the states -- who have to decide how to disperse them. The general language from California is that healthcare providers go first, followed by the old and frail, people with cronic health issues, inmates, and then the general public.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Adept on Wed Nov 25 16:09:09 2020
    Didn't mandating seat belts wind up with greater seat belt usage?

    Before they were mandated, seat belts were an option on vehicles and some
    did not have them. Once they were mandated and the laws were being
    inforced, nearly all cars on the highways had belts.

    I can remember, as a kid, riding in plenty of cars that didn't have belts
    at all, and others where they were tucked into the seats where you could
    not find them.

    Mandating and enforcing helped for sure but, for many of us, simply having
    them as standard equipment was enough to get us to use them.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Arelor on Wed Nov 25 16:09:42 2020
    Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-

    Really, my first line of defense is dealing with no people. SOmething
    good about COVID is that now I have a socially acceptable way of doing just that :-P --

    Me too! :)



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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Bob Roberts on Wed Nov 25 20:49:09 2020
    Re: Re: covid, here we go aga
    By: Bob Roberts to Vk3jed on Wed Nov 25 2020 10:27 am

    Over here in the USA, there is much excitement around the 3 vaccines which h now been reported as 90+% effective against Covid. 2 RNA ones (one of which has to be kept extermly cold), and the Oxford one. Once our FDA approves th for emergency use, there are supposed to doses sent to all the states -- who have to decide how to disperse them. The general language from California i that healthcare providers go first, followed by the old and frail, people wi cronic health issues, inmates, and then the general public.

    Here they are talking about priorizing elders and healthcare personal.

    I think I have already mentioned it, but the lab representative I have talked about the vaccine has told me he is not taking any of it. He wants no active RNA in his body unless that RNA has been tested for 5 years. I think that view is quite reasonable myself.

    Seriously, thee is no shortage of meds that had to be withdrawn from the market because they were screwing people too hard.
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  • From Bob Roberts@21:2/118 to Arelor on Wed Nov 25 20:11:40 2020
    I think I have already mentioned it, but the lab representative I have talked about the vaccine has told me he is not taking any of it. He wants no active RNA in his body unless that RNA has been tested for 5 years. I think that view is quite reasonable myself.

    Well, you could take the Oxford one, it doesn't use RNA it uses a genetically modified adenovirus. I guess there is a small amount of risk with all vaccines, but there is also risk in catching Covid.

    I don't think we'll be able to pick the vaccine we get. It will be whatever is available when our turn is called.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Wed Nov 25 23:28:00 2020
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Wednesday 25.11.20 - 15:49, Arelor wrote to Bob Roberts:

    I think I have already mentioned it, but the lab
    representative I have talked about the vaccine has told me
    he is not taking any of it. He wants no active RNA in his
    body unless that RNA has been tested for 5 years. I think
    that view is quite reasonable myself.

    I'm not allowing any rushly manufactured chemicals enter my
    body either.


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  • From onky@21:1/112 to Ogg on Thu Nov 26 08:52:40 2020
    I am not yet convinced either about its safety, given the rush the vaccines were developed with.

    The Oxford vaccine appears to use a chimp cold virus of some kind. I am not
    yet sure what to think of it. Also on the Pfizer vaccine, what does RNA
    exactly mean for the body? What risks could either one of them pose?

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Bob Roberts on Fri Nov 27 02:12:00 2020
    On 11-25-20 10:27, Bob Roberts wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Over here in the USA, there is much excitement around the 3 vaccines
    which have now been reported as 90+% effective against Covid. 2 RNA
    ones (one of which has to be kept extermly cold), and the Oxford one.
    Once our FDA approves them for emergency use, there are supposed to
    doses sent to all the states -- who have to decide how to disperse
    them. The general language from California is that healthcare
    providers go first, followed by the old and frail, people with cronic health issues, inmates, and then the general public.

    They are talking about it at federal cabinet level. It's expected that health workers and the vulnerable will get it first, and airlines here are also looking at not allowing passengers who haven't had the vaccine, unless there's medical reasons why they can't.

    Production of the Oxford vaccine has started here in anticipation of approval, as we have both the capability (our medical science is among the best in the world) and a licence to produce a certain number of doses. We will have an oversupply, and the excess will be sent to poorer countries.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Vk3jed on Thu Nov 26 14:09:08 2020
    Vk3jed wrote to Xenos <=-

    Here in the Philippines, aside from face masks being required when out
    of home, face shields are mandatory too.

    For some reason, face shields weren't permitted for general use (i.e. outside of environments where they are standard PPE). There was a
    reason, but I can't recall what it was.

    If it was like here in the US, it was probably due to shortages at
    hospitals, etc. I don't think they were "not permitted" here, just not encouraged.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Arelor on Thu Nov 26 14:18:10 2020
    Arelor wrote to Bob Roberts <=-

    Here they are talking about priorizing elders and healthcare personal.

    Here in KY, USA, that is also what they are doing. The one thing they have
    not really defined, at least not in their press releases and guidance to
    this point, is what constitutes "elderly," i.e. there is not a cut-off age specified.

    My father is eager to get one so that he and his wife can go back to
    running around all over like they did before (and still are where/when they can). Based on the current guidance, he is not eligible for Phase 1.
    Depending on the cut-off age for elderly, he will have to wait until Phase 2, or until Phase 4 which is the "everyone else" phase.

    The idea of taking the "herd immunity" path pissed a lot of people here off but, based on what I can tell, it might have been the best. They have been telling us all along that we were distancing to protect the elderly but,
    from what I can tell, the elderly are the ones that most don't want to stay distanced. You can tell them we are not getting together for the holiday
    this year to protect you and, next thing you know, they are the ones
    running around to all of the relatives houses... "you won't come to us so
    we will come to you."

    The US has a high percentage of older people, most of whom don't seem to
    want to shelter in place. That is another reason we can't keep our numbers down.



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Bob Roberts on Fri Nov 27 00:32:15 2020
    I don't think we'll be able to pick the vaccine we get. It will be whatever is available when our turn is called.

    I wouldn't be too surprised if people wound up getting more than one, if/when supplies are high enough.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Blue White on Fri Nov 27 22:01:00 2020
    On 11-26-20 09:09, Blue White wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    If it was like here in the US, it was probably due to shortages at hospitals, etc. I don't think they were "not permitted" here, just not encouraged.

    Yeah initially, just about any face covering was permitted, but that changed in late September, when only fitted face masks were allowed.


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  • From djatropine@21:1/157 to Blue White on Fri Nov 27 17:17:31 2020
    The idea of taking the "herd immunity" path pissed a lot of people here off but, based on what I can tell, it might have been the best. They
    have been telling us all along that we were distancing to protect the elderly but, from what I can tell, the elderly are the ones that most don't want to stay distanced. You can tell them we are not getting together for the holiday this year to protect you and, next thing you know, they are the ones running around to all of the relatives houses... "you won't come to us so we will come to you."


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to onky on Fri Nov 27 02:59:00 2020
    The Oxford vaccine appears to use a chimp cold virus of some kind. I am not yet sure what to think of it. Also on the Pfizer vaccine,
    what does RNA exactly mean for the body? What risks could either

    Hmmm roll on planet of the apes? Ahhh provided the said virus has sufficient ìsimilar characteristics to covid, and it is being used to stimulate ìantibodies, probably not a lot. One assumes it bears some resemblence to a ìsimplex vaccine, which is just using killed virus/bacteria injected to start ìthe immune response before being exposed to living virus in the wild.

    RNA based sounds more complicated it looks like pre-programming white cells ìwith an attack method for COVID, so you'd skip the I don't know what this is ìphase while your body sorts out the best defense and it just gets to it. The ìprogramming is delivered with DNA and some kind of virus vector of its own, ìsounds very similar to the planet of the apes job. But its a very complicated ìread that exceeds my medical know-how...

    Spec


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Spectre on Sun Nov 29 15:39:22 2020
    Spectre wrote to onky <=-

    RNA based sounds more complicated it looks like pre-programming white cells ìwith an attack method for COVID, so you'd skip the I don't know what this is ìphase while your body sorts out the best defense and it
    just gets to it. The ìprogramming is delivered with DNA and some kind
    of virus vector of its own, ìsounds very similar to the planet of the
    apes job. But its a very complicated ìread that exceeds my medical know-how...

    Sounds like a good way to trigger some sort of immune system disorder...
    like skipping the "I don't know what this is" phase could cause it to attack healthy cells, too.


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  • From onky@21:1/158 to Spectre on Mon Nov 30 00:40:12 2020
    Thanks for your response! It makes a bit more clear of what both types
    actually need to be doing once injected, much appreciated!

    I need to do more reading on this matter (as should many do, I guess). I dont want to go down the path of tinfoil hats rejecting stuff like this out of ignorance. In that respect I have a lot of catching up to do. This helped me
    on the right path!

    regards,
    Onky

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Blue White on Mon Nov 30 12:10:00 2020
    Blue White wrote to Spectre <=-

    Sounds like a good way to trigger some sort of immune system
    disorder... like skipping the "I don't know what this is" phase could cause it to attack healthy cells, too.

    I've read too much science fiction about cures gone wrong where the
    cure ends up attacking healthy cells. <shudder>



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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 30 21:57:29 2020
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Blue White <=-

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    This reminds of that that quote by the stand up comic:

    “Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?” -- Steven Wright


    Jay

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  • From Starstorm@21:3/140 to Paradigms Shifting on Thu Apr 1 11:31:09 2021
    Paradigms Shifting wrote to Ogg <=-

    On the bright side, at least all of the madness is starting to make
    BBSing have a resurgence, so at least there's that! :)

    Well written, and good point. I just didn't want to quote the whole thing.
    On this last bit though, honestly. With so many things still canceled
    in my area, I've gotten kinda bored. I needed something to distract myself, something to work on. So I guess COVID is one of the reasons I launched
    a new BBS, again.
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  • From Paradigms Shifting@21:1/101 to Starstorm on Tue Apr 19 12:09:08 2022
    On 01 Apr 2021 at 11:31a, Starstorm pondered and said...

    Paradigms Shifting wrote to Ogg <=-

    On the bright side, at least all of the madness is starting to make BBSing have a resurgence, so at least there's that! :)

    Well written, and good point. I just didn't want to quote the whole
    thing. On this last bit though, honestly. With so many things still canceled in my area, I've gotten kinda bored. I needed something to distract myself, something to work on. So I guess COVID is one of the reasons I launched a new BBS, again.

    Well, the rise of tyranny and censorship has been going on for a very long time now, and censorship isn't new. People have been getting 30 day Facebook bans for harmless statements, YouTube channels getting canceled, and all of the other nonsense long before 2020. Its not really a new thing. But yes, when the main stream options become trash, people seek alternatives. BBSing is one of those alternatives.

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