Weatherman wrote to Ogg <=-
There never seems to be any reports on how the vast majority
of people sailed through this thing or how bad their sysmptoms
were.
It's just bad bad bad... we will die.
It is a media virus, plain and simple. The fear porn drives their rating...
They figure it isn't as exciting to report that 99% of the people
recover each day with little or no symptoms.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Weatherman <=-
State's ICUs filling up,
long-tail Covid cases, no understanding of long-term effects;
I don't think we know enough to be this cavalier about it.
99% is an easy number to deal with. 246,000 deaths in the USA alone
and climbing is not.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to The Godfather <=-
That level of granularity would be effective if people respected
public health rules.
Adept wrote to Arelor <=-
It's just that masks are terribly comfortable -- I think everyone will
be wearing them in the future.
Ron Lauzon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
State's ICUs filling up,
Not with COVID cases. Mostly from the people who couldn't get the care they needed because bureaucrats with no knowledge shutdown the
hospitals. Even when they reopened them again, they had people so
scared that they couldn't get early treatment for their conditions.
Now we are paying the price for those dumb decisions.
long-tail Covid cases, no understanding of long-term effects;
Which we have no information on. 6 months isn't "long-term".
I don't think we know enough to be this cavalier about it.
We know enough.
99% is an easy number to deal with. 246,000 deaths in the USA alone
and climbing is not.
That's 246,000 deaths **with** COVID - including people who had at
least 2 co-morbidities.
Ron Lauzon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
People would respect public health rules if they weren't stupid and contridictory.
Ron Lauzon wrote to Adept <=-
I haven't worn a mask yet through this scam-demic
The number of deaths **from** COVID is only about 6,000. Doing a quick "back of the envelope" calculation, if we assume that COVID was the proverable "straw the broke the camel's back", we can probably put that number closer to 15,000. That's still far lower than the number of people who die from the seasonal flu.
The "public health rules" are simple moronic rules to make people scared and, therefore, controllable.
If people will stand up for their rights and stop fearing, we could all get back to dying quickly.
~250k official deaths. The estimate is that the TRUE number of deaths in the USA from Covid is around 382k.
It's just that masks are terribly comfortable -- I think everyone wil be wearing them in the future.
I haven't worn a mask yet through this scam-demic with no problems and
I haven't worn a mask yet through this scam-demic
I'm out.
I haven't worn a mask yet through this scam-demic
I'm out.
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Re: covid, here we go aga
By: Warpslide to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 18 2020 02:48 pm
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I knew that feature would come in handy!
Ttyl :-),
Al
... What bug? That's a feature
I appreciate your entirely appropriate response to my light-hearted movie quote.
I think people is using it too liberally these days, though :-)
It doesn't matter much because most BBS seem to be a one-man-operation, but I would not like being a caller for a BBS that applies twit filters so happily as a lot of people seem to be doing these days.
I think people is using it too liberally these days, though :-)
It doesn't matter much because most BBS seem to be a one-man-operation, but Iwould not like being a caller for a BBS that applies twit filters
so happily asa lot of people seem to be doing these days.
Mystic's twit filter is per user thing, it's not destructive at all.
Mystic's twit filter is per user thing, it's not destructive at all.
There was only one user I added to my mailin.ini's twit filter. That one *is* destructive, but that person deserves it.
So, the COVID can get you when you walk from the restraunt door to your table, but can't get you at the table? Large get-togethers cause "spikes", yet the local big box retailer doesn't?
It doesn't matter much because most BBS seem to be a one-man-operation, but I would not like being a caller for a BBS that applies twit filters
so happily as a lot of people seem to be doing these days.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
You need to get your "facts" from someplace other than OANN.
What do you call lingering effects 6 months later? Perhaps we're
going around on a semantics ride with this point, given the oldest
discovered COVID-19 case was exactly one year ago.
That's 246,000 deaths **with** COVID - including people who had at
least 2 co-morbidities.
Not sure of the point here, perhaps you could explain the difference
between 246,000 deaths and 246,000 deaths with co-morbidities?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
People would respect public health rules if they weren't stupid and contridictory.
Generalization.
Bob Roberts wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
WTF dude. If there was no Covid, they wouldn't have gotten sick enough
to die from their health conditions. Therefore the cause of death is covid.
Bob Roberts wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
~250k official deaths. The estimate is that the TRUE number of deaths in the USA from Covid is around 382k.
I'm correcting my math error:
The TRUE number of deaths in the USA from Covid is around 329k, when
you add the estimated 87k from excess mortality.
Spectre wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
The behaviour of people at a get-together is far different to what
they'd do at a big box...
Not sure about the restaurant example... we just had the whole thing
shut down, and I think it was to stop those waiting for a table
collecting in a large group all together.
Your attempt at a bad explanation fails to account for how the
If masks work, why do we have to stay 6 ft apart? If we stay 6 ft
If these rules are as simple as this, why is anything shut down?
COVID's not nearly as scary now. But that's the point of your inflated numbers.
You must live in New Zealand where their responsible science-based response has gotten things under control.
Between that, Taika Waititi and the beautiful landscapes where LOTR was filmed, what doesn't NZ have?
Between that, Taika Waititi and the beautiful landscapes where LOTR w filmed, what doesn't NZ have?
People?
(To be fair, it was also one of the higher countries on my list of
places tomove to. But that's not nearly as entertaining of a response.)
Between that, Taika Waititi and the beautiful landscapes whereLOTR was
filmed, what doesn't NZ have?
People?
(To be fair, it was also one of the higher countries on my list of
places to
move to. But that's not nearly as entertaining of a response.)
Lol... I heard there are people in New Zealand, not all New Zealander's live in Australia :P
Just kidding of course.. (plus I am sure there are plenty of Australian's living in NZ)
Lol... I heard there are people in New Zealand, not all New Zealander's live in Australia :P
I'd love to see NZ, probably not move there as my family is here, but I'd love to visit. New Zealand is at least in the realm of possibility one day.. maybe... unlike Canada (which I'd also love to see).
Bob Roberts wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
WTF dude. If there was no Covid, they wouldn't have gotten sick enough
to die from their health conditions. Therefore the cause of death is covid.
Spectre wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
If masks work, why do we have to stay 6 ft apart? If we stay 6 ft
Because both help, and neither is a complete answer in itself...
I don't call anything lingering effects. That's my point: We don't
have enough information or time to determine if there were actually "lingering effects" or if the person had something that was simply undetected before he was hospitalized with COVID.
So, a person is in a car wreck and dies from their injuries. But while
in the hospital they are tested and have COVID. They are counted as a COVID death. This has been doing on since the start. And, yes,
hospitals have admitted that they get extra money if they report a
COVID death.
You must live in New Zealand where their responsible science-based
response has gotten things under control.
Between that, Taika Waititi and the beautiful landscapes where LOTR was filmed, what doesn't NZ have?
Between that, Taika Waititi and the beautiful landscapes where LOTR
was filmed, what doesn't NZ have?
People?
On 11-21-20 09:45, Blue White wrote to Spectre <=-
Wear a good mask, stay 6 ft apart, and wash your hands often. That is still not 100% but it is the best most can do short of having no human contact at all or wearing a HAZMAT suit.
Vk3jed wrote to Blue White <=-
Wear a good mask, stay 6 ft apart, and wash your hands often. That is still not 100% but it is the best most can do short of having no human contact at all or wearing a HAZMAT suit.
Yes, the infection control measures work best together.
Blue White wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
We are starting to get there, though.
There has been plenty enough
info for a while that some people seem to recover and then have a
sudden relapse that quickly ends in death.
I would rather be safe than sorry, so I am still going to take
precautions while also taking everything I hear with a grain of salt.
On 11-22-20 09:07, Blue White wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I feel like our local authorities went off message a little bit when
they started with the mask mandates. They stopped suggesting the other measures as much and, as folks here had a tendency to invade personal space before the virus, I feel like the reminders to continue to stay 6
ft apart and wash their hands would have been wise.
On 11-22-20 09:07, Blue White wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I feel like our local authorities went off message a little bit when they started with the mask mandates. They stopped suggesting the other measures as much and, as folks here had a tendency to invade personal space before the virus, I feel like the reminders to continue to stay 6 ft apart and wash their hands would have been wise.
Ours did keep mentioning all of the measures. Masks are a layer of defence that work along with distancing and hand hygiene, etc. Given that we are no at 0 cases all round here, masks are no longer required outdoors, if social distancing can be maintained.
... Help stamp out and abolish redundancy.
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a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from
you, but not the other way around. Even then, they don't
beat avoiding contact with other people.
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** On Tuesday 24.11.20 - 04:53, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed:
If you want protection against getting infected, you need
a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from
you, but not the other way around. Even then, they don't
beat avoiding contact with other people.
Our EYES are left exposed from the outside world (ie. someone
sneezing at you). The med experts have always said don't rub
nose and mouth and eyes with hands to avoid getting a cold or
flu.
There is so much emphasis made on the airborne aspect of this
thing, but the matter of exposure to the eyes is never talked
about.
I feel like our local authorities went off message a little bitthey started with the mask mandates. They stopped suggesting the
when
othermeasures as much and, as folks here had a tendency to invade personal space before the virus, I feel like the reminders to continue to
stay 6ft apart and wash their hands would have been wise.
Ours did keep mentioning all of the measures. Masks are a layer of defence that work along with distancing and hand hygiene, etc. Given that we are now at 0 cases all round here, masks are no longer required outdoors, if social distancing can be maintained.
I'd be curious to see studies on how much masks were worn in politically similar areas, between where they were recommended vs. where they were mandated. Mandating stuff tends to have the opposite effect here in the US.
Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I not optimistic because after all the masks, face shields, air
filtering, hydroalcoholics, desinfectants and whatnot, I still got a (regular) flu.
I stand with what the manufacturers used to claim before the pandemic: "This offers no protection against biohazzards" (for most masks
people are wearing nowadays).
If you want protection against getting infected, you need a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from you, but not the
deepthaw wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'd be curious to see studies on how much masks were worn in
politically similar areas, between where they were recommended vs.
where they were mandated. Mandating stuff tends to have the opposite effect here in the US.
There is so much emphasis made on the airborne aspect of this
thing, but the matter of exposure to the eyes is never talked
about.
Here in the Philippines, aside from face masks being required when out of home,
face shields are mandatory too.
If you want protection against getting infected, you need a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from you, but not the other way around. Even then, they don't beat avoiding contact with other
people.
There is so much emphasis made on the airborne aspect of this
thing, but the matter of exposure to the eyes is never talked
about.
mandated. Mandating stuff tends to have the opposite effect here in the US.
Hello Arelor!
** On Tuesday 24.11.20 - 04:53, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed:
If you want protection against getting infected, you need
a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from
you, but not the other way around. Even then, they don't
beat avoiding contact with other people.
Our EYES are left exposed from the outside world (ie. someone
sneezing at you). The med experts have always said don't rub
nose and mouth and eyes with hands to avoid getting a cold or
flu.
There is so much emphasis made on the airborne aspect of this
thing, but the matter of exposure to the eyes is never talked
about.
I stand with what the manufacturers used to claim before the pandemic: "This
offers no protection against biohazzards" (for most masks
people are wearing nowadays).
This one is kind of interesting. "We" discovered locally there are a range of
materials that actually do not work for a mask full stop. Mostly synthetics, that
don't stop the droplets just break them up into smaller droplets. So there is the
potential for some to be worse then useless.
If you want protection against getting infected, you need a proper respirator.
Most masks protect other prople from you, but not the
This one is tricky too... first up you need a decent fit mask, which has been hard
do. Then they're designed to work on a clean shaven face. You can get by with a m
but any beard growth and the effectiveness drops like a stone.
I ended up with a respirator first up because I tend to be allergic to paper masks.
It was the only one I could get, it was meant to be large but its a really lousy fi
and leaks like a sieve around the nose. I'd probably be better served now getting
one of the fabric masks which weren't around in the beginning.
Spec
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On 11-24-20 04:53, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Our local authorities did a great job messing up.
They started saying that masks were non-sense, then they made them mandatory.
I stand with what the manufacturers used to claim before the pandemic: "This offers no protection against biohazzards" (for most masks people
are wearing nowadays).
And I am shooting my own foot because masks are one of the hot products
I am selling by now.
If you want protection against getting infected, you need a proper respirator. Most masks protect other prople from you, but not the other way around. Even then, they don't beat avoiding contact with other
people.
I not optimistic because after all the masks, face shields, air
filtering, hydroalcoholics, desinfectants and whatnot, I still got a (regular) flu.
On 11-24-20 09:37, deepthaw wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'd be curious to see studies on how much masks were worn in
politically similar areas, between where they were recommended vs.
where they were mandated. Mandating stuff tends to have the opposite effect here in the US.
On 11-24-20 22:49, Xenos wrote to Ogg <=-
Here in the Philippines, aside from face masks being required when out
of home, face shields are mandatory too.
FYI, masks are no longer mandatory outdoors, unless you can't keep more than 1.5m away from other people. They are still mandatory in most indoor settings away from home, and anywhere outdoors where the 1.5m distance can't be maintained.
Didn't mandating seat belts wind up with greater seat belt usage?
Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-
Really, my first line of defense is dealing with no people. SOmething
good about COVID is that now I have a socially acceptable way of doing just that :-P --
Over here in the USA, there is much excitement around the 3 vaccines which h now been reported as 90+% effective against Covid. 2 RNA ones (one of which has to be kept extermly cold), and the Oxford one. Once our FDA approves th for emergency use, there are supposed to doses sent to all the states -- who have to decide how to disperse them. The general language from California i that healthcare providers go first, followed by the old and frail, people wi cronic health issues, inmates, and then the general public.
I think I have already mentioned it, but the lab representative I have talked about the vaccine has told me he is not taking any of it. He wants no active RNA in his body unless that RNA has been tested for 5 years. I think that view is quite reasonable myself.
I think I have already mentioned it, but the lab
representative I have talked about the vaccine has told me
he is not taking any of it. He wants no active RNA in his
body unless that RNA has been tested for 5 years. I think
that view is quite reasonable myself.
On 11-25-20 10:27, Bob Roberts wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Over here in the USA, there is much excitement around the 3 vaccines
which have now been reported as 90+% effective against Covid. 2 RNA
ones (one of which has to be kept extermly cold), and the Oxford one.
Once our FDA approves them for emergency use, there are supposed to
doses sent to all the states -- who have to decide how to disperse
them. The general language from California is that healthcare
providers go first, followed by the old and frail, people with cronic health issues, inmates, and then the general public.
Vk3jed wrote to Xenos <=-
Here in the Philippines, aside from face masks being required when out
of home, face shields are mandatory too.
For some reason, face shields weren't permitted for general use (i.e. outside of environments where they are standard PPE). There was a
reason, but I can't recall what it was.
Arelor wrote to Bob Roberts <=-
Here they are talking about priorizing elders and healthcare personal.
I don't think we'll be able to pick the vaccine we get. It will be whatever is available when our turn is called.
On 11-26-20 09:09, Blue White wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If it was like here in the US, it was probably due to shortages at hospitals, etc. I don't think they were "not permitted" here, just not encouraged.
The idea of taking the "herd immunity" path pissed a lot of people here off but, based on what I can tell, it might have been the best. They
have been telling us all along that we were distancing to protect the elderly but, from what I can tell, the elderly are the ones that most don't want to stay distanced. You can tell them we are not getting together for the holiday this year to protect you and, next thing you know, they are the ones running around to all of the relatives houses... "you won't come to us so we will come to you."
The Oxford vaccine appears to use a chimp cold virus of some kind. I am not yet sure what to think of it. Also on the Pfizer vaccine,
what does RNA exactly mean for the body? What risks could either
Spectre wrote to onky <=-
RNA based sounds more complicated it looks like pre-programming white cells ìwith an attack method for COVID, so you'd skip the I don't know what this is ìphase while your body sorts out the best defense and it
just gets to it. The ìprogramming is delivered with DNA and some kind
of virus vector of its own, ìsounds very similar to the planet of the
apes job. But its a very complicated ìread that exceeds my medical know-how...
Blue White wrote to Spectre <=-
Sounds like a good way to trigger some sort of immune system
disorder... like skipping the "I don't know what this is" phase could cause it to attack healthy cells, too.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Blue White <=-
... alphabetise the alphabet (it's all wrong. will explain later)
Paradigms Shifting wrote to Ogg <=-
On the bright side, at least all of the madness is starting to make
BBSing have a resurgence, so at least there's that! :)
Paradigms Shifting wrote to Ogg <=-
On the bright side, at least all of the madness is starting to make BBSing have a resurgence, so at least there's that! :)
Well written, and good point. I just didn't want to quote the whole
thing. On this last bit though, honestly. With so many things still canceled in my area, I've gotten kinda bored. I needed something to distract myself, something to work on. So I guess COVID is one of the reasons I launched a new BBS, again.
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