• Dupes

    From Avon@21:1/101 to g00r00 on Thu Dec 27 20:11:26 2018
    Something is amiss

    I created a new system NET 5 and sent an areafix from it to NET 1 for a full rescan of all echos.

    When they landed at NET 5 MUTIL tossed them in but also exported them
    straight back to NET 1 - not good.

    Here's a small snip of the NET 5 logs

    ! Dec 27 15:01:36 Area FSX_MYS does not exist
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Created area FSX_MYS
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Import #1 to FSX_MYS
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Import #2 to FSX_MYS
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Export FSX_MYS #2 to 21:1/100@fsxnet
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Import #3 to FSX_MYS
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Export FSX_MYS #3 to 21:1/100@fsxnet
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Import #4 to FSX_MYS
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Export FSX_MYS #4 to 21:1/100@fsxnet
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Import #5 to FSX_MYS
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Export FSX_MYS #5 to 21:1/100@fsxnet
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Import #6 to FSX_MYS
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Export FSX_MYS #6 to 21:1/100@fsxnet
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Import #7 to FSX_MYS
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Export FSX_MYS #7 to 21:1/100@fsxnet
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Import #8 to FSX_MYS
    + Dec 27 15:01:36 Export FSX_MYS #8 to 21:1/100@fsxnet

    [snip]

    + Dec 27 15:03:18 Results: 94051 echo, 1 net, 38 dupes, 91033 tossed in 122.99s
    + Dec 27 15:03:18 Shutdown Normal (0)

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  • From Michael Borthwick@21:4/132 to Avon on Thu Dec 27 18:49:35 2018
    I created a new system NET 5 and sent an areafix from it to NET 1 for a full rescan of all echos.

    When they landed at NET 5 MUTIL tossed them in but also exported them straight back to NET 1 - not good.

    Isn't that the default behavior to any node listed in the "Export To" section of the echo config? As NET5 will see them all as new echomail and forward
    them on?

    Shouldn't you have removed all "Export To" addresses from NET5, done your rescan, then set up the "Export To" addresses?

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Michael Borthwick on Thu Dec 27 21:32:12 2018
    On 12/27/18, Michael Borthwick pondered and said...

    Isn't that the default behavior to any node listed in the "Export To" section of the echo config? As NET5 will see them all as new echomail
    and forward them on?

    Shouldn't you have removed all "Export To" addresses from NET5, done your rescan, then set up the "Export To" addresses?

    In NET 5 I had 21:1/100 echonode defined but not linked to any of the fsx bases, there were none created

    When I sent and got the rescanned packets from 1/100 sent to 5/100 Mystic
    auto created the bases using the default settings I had created.

    In creating those bases it links the echonode that sent the messages as an export. But it should not be exporting the very same messages it just
    ingested from the sending system right back to it.

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  • From Nitro@21:1/190 to All on Mon Apr 27 00:57:44 2020
    Greetings,

    In the last week or so ive gotten roughly 2500 dupes? Is this something with
    my system? Or is anyone else having this happen?

    ---
    Regards,

    Rick // Nitro

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Nitro on Mon Apr 27 01:06:54 2020
    Hello Nitro,

    In the last week or so ive gotten roughly 2500 dupes? Is this
    something with my system? Or is anyone else having this happen?

    I haven't seen much of anything at all in the way of dupes, at least not in fsxNet. Were these dupes in fsxNet?

    Have a look at the path line in those dupes (press V) to see where they came from. Maybe someone is sunding you dupes without realizing it.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Nitro@21:1/190 to Al on Mon Apr 27 01:56:09 2020
    I haven't seen much of anything at all in the way of dupes, at least not in fsxNet. Were these dupes in fsxNet?

    No sorry Al I posted in the wrong spot my bad.. Its fido and in particular SYNCDATA echo that is posting them all..

    ---
    Regards,

    Rick // Nitro

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Nitro on Mon Apr 27 02:49:44 2020
    Hello Nitro,

    No sorry Al I posted in the wrong spot my bad.. Its fido and in
    particular SYNCDATA echo that is posting them all..

    Yep, there's lots of traffic in there that all looks the same but it is different, at least it should be.

    In golded or Mystic press V to view the kludges and see where they came from on
    the path line.

    Are these dupes all getting tossed to your dupe/bad message area?

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From alterego@21:2/116 to Nitro on Mon Apr 27 22:54:43 2020
    Re: Dupes
    By: Nitro to All on Sun Apr 26 2020 08:57 pm

    In the last week or so ive gotten roughly 2500 dupes? Is this something with my system? Or is anyone else having this happen?

    I havent noticed any (unusual) dupes...
    ...δεσπ



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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Nitro on Mon Apr 27 18:41:50 2020
    On 26 Apr 2020, Nitro said the following...

    No sorry Al I posted in the wrong spot my bad.. Its fido and in
    particular SYNCDATA echo that is posting them all..

    Do you have Dovenet setup as well as Fidonet?

    If so, Dovenet is where the SYNCDATA echo originates, and it gets gated to Fidonet. So yes, you would see duplicates, especially if they have the same echotag for two separate networks. Just as well, anything you write or post
    in there would get posted to both Dovenet and Fidonet at the same time, which would probably get re-posted to Fidonet once it goes through Vertrauen.

    Accession

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Accession on Mon Apr 27 17:02:12 2020
    On 27 Apr 2020, Accession said the following...

    Do you have Dovenet setup as well as Fidonet?

    That's another good point. Reading the what's new I see Mystic now has the ability to gate between ftn <-> QWK although I haven't looked at that at all and don't know how it works.

    If you have dove-net by QWK on your board make sure there is no echo tag or linked FTN nodes.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Al on Mon Apr 27 22:27:56 2020
    On 27 Apr 2020, Al said the following...

    Do you have Dovenet setup as well as Fidonet?

    That's another good point. Reading the what's new I see Mystic now has
    the ability to gate between ftn <-> QWK although I haven't looked at
    that at all and don't know how it works.

    If I'm guessing correctly and he indeed has both networks installed, gating between the two may be what's happening, but not intentionally. The problem
    is that the echotag is the same for both networks, so when a message gets posted in one echo, it gets saved to both. I believe I changed my Dovenet echotag to be SYNC_DAT or something, so the two wouldn't be the same.

    Now that I think of it, it may be every Synchronet related echo that is a
    part of both networks. SYNCHRONET is another, and SYNCPROG may be another
    one.

    If you have dove-net by QWK on your board make sure there is no echo tag or linked FTN nodes.

    I believe you still need an echotag so your QWK setup knows what it's pulling from Vertrauen. It should just be different than the echotag for Fidonet.

    Accession

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Accession on Tue Apr 28 00:54:58 2020
    Hello Accession,

    I believe you still need an echotag so your QWK setup knows what it's pulling from Vertrauen. It should just be different than the echotag
    for Fidonet.

    None of my dove-net QWK areas have an echo tag defined. I think the areas are all pulled in based on QWK Network and QWK Base ID.

    I guess if someone was gateing they would need an echo tag as well, but I don't
    think anyone will be gating DOVE-Net.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Al on Tue Apr 28 20:36:02 2020
    On 27 Apr 2020, Al said the following...

    None of my dove-net QWK areas have an echo tag defined. I think the
    areas are all pulled in based on QWK Network and QWK Base ID.

    Ah yeah that's right. The QWK IDs are where it's at. Either way, if he's receiving Dovenet via QWK and the Synchronet related echos via Fidonet, he
    will see the same messages twice.

    I guess if someone was gateing they would need an echo tag as well, but
    I don't think anyone will be gating DOVE-Net.

    I do, and have for quite some time. Not only for my own system(s), but for others that run BBS softwares that don't support QWK networking. I've had a
    few of the same links here for Dovenet for probably 10+ years now, but I made sure as to not have the same echotags for both networks back then. ;)

    Accession

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Accession on Tue Apr 28 22:00:00 2020
    Re: Dupes
    By: Accession to Al on Mon Apr 27 2020 06:27 pm

    On 27 Apr 2020, Al said the following...

    Do you have Dovenet setup as well as Fidonet?

    That's another good point. Reading the what's new I see Mystic now has the ability to gate between ftn <-> QWK although I haven't looked at that at all and don't know how it works.

    If I'm guessing correctly and he indeed has both networks installed, gating between the two may be what's happening, but not intentionally.

    Unlikely.

    The problem
    is that the echotag is the same for both networks, so when a message gets posted in one echo, it gets saved to both. I believe I changed my Dovenet echotag to be SYNC_DAT or something, so the two wouldn't be the same.

    DOVE-Net on Synchronet is usually via QWKnet, which means no echo-tag/area-tag is applicable (QWK uses conference *numbers* not names). And Synchronet will refuse to gate between network-types (e.g. FTN->QWK or QWK->FTN) unless explicitly enabled by the sysop.

    Now that I think of it, it may be every Synchronet related echo that is a part of both networks. SYNCHRONET is another, and SYNCPROG may be another one.

    If you have dove-net by QWK on your board make sure there is no echo tag or linked FTN nodes.

    I believe you still need an echotag so your QWK setup knows what it's pulling from Vertrauen. It should just be different than the echotag for Fidonet.

    Maybe you're conflating internal-codes with area-tags? Even if the sysop accidentally use the same internal-code for multiple sub-boards, he'd have to explicitly enable gating between net-types.

    digital man

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Digital Man on Wed Apr 29 15:17:15 2020
    On 28 Apr 2020, Digital Man said the following...

    Maybe you're conflating internal-codes with area-tags? Even if the sysop accidentally use the same internal-code for multiple sub-boards, he'd
    have to explicitly enable gating between net-types.

    Yep, that's most likely what I did. Even so, with the same internal code and what I was originally describing, he would just see the same messages posted
    in two echos. Nothing actually wrong with the setup, or him specifically
    making dupes. Just basically having the same echo setup in two networks and seeing messages twice - possibly thinking they were dupes.

    Just a scenario I ran into a long time ago. At least that's what I was originally suggesting may have happened. Then it got way out of hand. ;)

    Accession

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  • From Rick Smith@21:1/190.1 to All on Sat May 16 20:24:40 2020
    Greetings All,

    I am exploring a issue where I send out a message from my point to my bbs and then I get it back to my point as a new unread message? Anyone have this going on with a point system? Before anyone hollars that I posted this already in fido mystic I am doing this on purpose and not to annoy anyone I just want to see if Fsxnet behaves the same...<VBG>

    Regards ...
    Rick Smith
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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Rick Smith on Sun May 17 19:59:29 2020
    On 16 May 2020 at 04:24p, Rick Smith pondered and said...

    I am exploring a issue where I send out a message from my point to my
    bbs and then I get it back to my point as a new unread message? Anyone have this going on with a point system? Before anyone hollars that I posted this already in fido mystic I am doing this on purpose and not to annoy anyone I just want to see if Fsxnet behaves the same...<VBG>

    what software is the point and the BBS that is feeding the point running Rick?

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  • From Rick Smith@21:1/190.1 to Avon on Sun May 17 01:10:59 2020
    //Hello Avon, //

    On *17.05.20* At *15:59:29* you replied to a post in *FSX_MYS*
    from *Rick Smith* About *"Re: Dupes"*.



    what software is the point and the BBS that is feeding the point running Rick?

    So I have two point setups and they both have the same result. Winpoint on one,
    and binkd,husky and golded on the other. I use my mystic bbs as my boss to my points, what I can see is when I upload from my point (poll) mystic (my bbs) gets messages and poll its boss node (SBBS) then it comes back through normal polling and gets sent as a new unread message to my point? Seems like that shouldnt happen, since it originated here.


    Regards ...
    Rick Smith

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  • From Rick Smith@21:1/190.1 to Avon on Sun May 17 01:12:46 2020
    //Hello Avon, //

    On *17.05.20* At *15:59:29* you replied to a post in *FSX_MYS*
    from *Rick Smith* About *"Re: Dupes"*.

    \

    what software is the point and the BBS that is feeding the point running Rick?

    Sorry Paul I should also have mentioned that I ran a test here to my bbs then to your hub and it still came back as a new unread message.

    Regards ...
    Rick Smith

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  • From Rick Smith@21:1/190.1 to all on Sun May 17 02:36:27 2020

    Here is the message I sent pau, 2 minutes later is came back to my point, I included the kludge lines...

    On *16.05.20* At *21:10:59* you replied to a post in *FSX_MYS*
    from *Avon* About *"Dupes"*.

    @AREA:FSX_MYS @MSGID: 21:1/190.1 74987d85 @CHRS: CP866 2 @TZUTC: 0700 @REPLY: 21:1/101 c65d3778 //Hello Avon, //

    On *17.05.20* At *15:59:29* you replied to a post in *FSX_MYS* from
    *Rick Smith* About *"Re: Dupes"*.



    what software is the point and the BBS that is feeding the point running
    Rick?

    So I have two point setups and they both have the same result. Winpoint
    on one, and binkd,husky and golded on the other. I use my mystic bbs as my boss to my points, what I can see is when I upload from my point
    (poll) mystic (my bbs) gets messages and poll its boss node (SBBS) then
    it comes back through normal polling and gets sent as a new unread
    message to my point? Seems like that shouldnt happen, since it originated here.

    Regards ... Rick Smith

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    Regards ...
    Rick Smith

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