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    Today's Topics:

    1. Re: Anyone on EO-88? (Bob Hammond)
    2. Re: Anyone on EO-88? (Roy Dean)
    3. Re: Anyone on EO-88? (Brian L. Threlkeld)
    4. W3ZM/9 FM ops in EN50, EN60, EM59, EM69 Fri 7/19 through Sun
    7/21 (John Stone)
    5. Yaesu FT847 for sale (John Geiger)
    6. Re: Anyone on EO-88? (Bob Liddy (K8BL))
    7. PSAT2 Object Number is 44354 - not -357 (Robert Bruninga)
    8. RE PSAT2 Object Number is 44354 - not -357
    (cchunter3@??????????.????
    9. Re: Anyone on EO-88? (Lapo Pieri)
    10. Re: Anyone on EO-88? (Lapo Pieri)
    11. Re: Anyone on EO-88? (Robert Switzer)
    12. Re: W4A Special Event Station this weekend (Cal Spreitzer)
    13. Re: W4A Special Event Station this weekend (Roy Dean)
    14. Re: W4A Special Event Station this weekend (Cal Spreitzer)


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    Message: 1
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:27:09 -0700
    From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
    To: Lapo Pieri <ik5nax@???????????.??>
    Cc: Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
    Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Anyone on EO-88?
    Message-ID: <CAKoB7OqoUOuu54gghDAsiEHiUUjiu0_86gmDaYT7dVAMnOO1pw@????.?????.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

    What equipment do I need to work the linear sats as a portable station?
    I'm a recycled sat operator with FM gear for portable ops.

    Bob
    W7OTJ

    On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 5:13 AM Lapo Pieri via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

    07:08 Fri 19 Jul 19 , Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB wrote:
    What I can't understand is that people continue to shame other hams for
    not
    operating on the linears.

    It's not shame, at all!

    Having only just recently obtained the
    equipment necessary to work the linears (and then, only at the shack, my equipment is not portable in any way), I can say that it was not cheap
    nor
    easy to do. Working the FM birds is both far cheaper and easier, for sure.

    But they give less satisfation, imho. Please see my other reply on
    this thread.

    Those that are stuck on the FM birds are likely not doing it by choice.

    Yes, I've tried FM birds but I'll seldom use them again

    Have a good time

    73, Lapo IK5NAX
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    Message: 2
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:38:02 -0400
    From: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
    To: amsat-bb@?????.???
    Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Anyone on EO-88?
    Message-ID: <CADGPg2t10E4rXJNy9GzPQV1oCnK+iK0xXTBGkzgwEKnGE3RUxA@????.?????.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"


    If my remarks came across as ?shaming,? I apologize. They were intended as encouragement. Yes, FM is cheap and easy, but the level of operator skill necessary to get QSOs on a crowded channel is daunting. The skills
    necessary to put together a linear station are more on the technical side. That?s a challenge, but it can be fun to get there.


    And I apologize for misunderstanding. I do agree that linears are way
    more challenging than FM (and I remember how frustrated I was when I
    couldn't make contacts with a couple of baofengs on SO-50!!!).

    The true shame is that all mode full duplex transceivers aren't more
    common! But having worked in the consumer electronics sector before, I understand that our tiny little market isn't likely to push the big manufacturers in that direction anytime soon. I can't blame them for not wanting to lose money on R&D and production tooling. :)

    --Roy
    K3RLD


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    Message: 3
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 07:22:37 -0500
    From: "Brian L. Threlkeld" <bthrelkeld@?????.???>
    To: amsat-bb@?????.???
    Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Anyone on EO-88?
    Message-ID: <CAHbn9oCJ4-8+rfLh_ww9KNTeHmr_sXw-Oqp_o2w_E4ECzn5MLA@????.?????.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

    Im a new satellite OP and quickly progressed from the FM to linear... While
    I found FM easy in the technical aspect like mentioned before it can vary
    in difficulty depending on the number and skill of operators on the each pass...Linear like mentioned is much more relaxed but very much more technically challenging ... I started off trying full manual control and
    have progressed to partial CAT control (using portable station consisting
    of Ft-818 x 2) . Anyway one thing I have found is that satellite operators
    are a very friendly and helpful segment of the hobby... for that I am
    grateful ...

    VRY 73 DE KQ4MM

    Brian


    On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 7:08 AM Mark D. Johns via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

    If my remarks came across as ?shaming,? I apologize. They were intended as encouragement. Yes, FM is cheap and easy, but the level of operator skill necessary to get QSOs on a crowded channel is daunting. The skills
    necessary to put together a linear station are more on the technical side. That?s a challenge, but it can be fun to get there.

    On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 06:09 Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

    What I can't understand is that people continue to shame other hams for
    not
    operating on the linears. Having only just recently obtained the equipment necessary to work the linears (and then, only at the shack, my equipment is not portable in any way), I can say that it was not cheap
    nor
    easy to do. Working the FM birds is both far cheaper and easier, for sure.

    Those that are stuck on the FM birds are likely not doing it by choice.
    It's all they have. Please keep that in mind.

    --Roy
    K3RLD




    EO-88 is in a low inclination orbit and so stays close to the equator.
    Many
    of us in the northern part of the continental U.S. and Canada cannot
    access
    it because it never passes far enough north for us to be in the
    footprint.
    That said, it can sometimes be lonely on linear satellites on passes
    that
    cover much of the continental U.S. I can?t understand why people would prefer to step all over one another on a single channel FM bird rather
    than
    spread out on a nice passband. Yes, the linears require a bit more
    effort,
    technical skill, and possibly a
    bit more of a monetary investment. But by finding some bargains on used gear and learning a bit more about how things work, they are well
    within
    reach of the average ham.
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    Mark D. Johns, Ph.D. K0JM
    Professor Emeritus of Communication Studies at
    Luther College, Decorah, Iowa USA
    Now residing in Minneapolis, Minn. ------------------------------------------------
    "Get the facts first. You can distort them later."
    ---Mark Twain
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    Message: 4
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 00:13:16 -0500
    From: John Stone <kc9vgg@?????.???>
    To: amsat-bb@?????.???
    Subject: [amsat-bb] W3ZM/9 FM ops in EN50, EN60, EM59, EM69 Fri 7/19
    through Sun 7/21
    Message-ID: <CALDG0kKOZKhOmikdtjd3RiZ0CMCD1m59bBetLTaBffQeXbMm1w@????.?????.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

    Hi,
    I'm planning to operate as W3ZM/9 this weekend from Friday through
    Sunday, with updates posted on twitter:
    https://twitter.com/KC9VGG

    Tentative plan outline:
    On Friday daytime passes I will be on the road traveling, but I hope to
    stop and try and operate at least one pass (AO-91/92 or SO-50) handheld
    while I'm driving in EM59 or EM58. Friday evening I'll be operating the
    late night passes of AO-91 and AO-92 from EN50.

    Saturday I'll have to work the first couple of mid-day passes from EN50,
    then I'll be quickly heading over to EN60 asap from there. If everyone
    already has EN50, I could skip the mid-day SO-50 pass to hit the road to
    EN60, EM59 or EM69 for the AO-92 and AO-91 passes. For the late night
    passes I'll have to operate in EN50.

    On Sunday, assuming cooperative weather, I plan to try and operate the
    daylight passes from one or more grid lines among EN50, EN60, EM59 and
    EM69. I'll depend on how my recon for good operating locations turns out.
    If people favor a particular grid or grid line, that would be useful to
    know before I scout operating locations on Saturday.

    Variables:
    Scattered thunderstorms on Sunday 7/21.
    To operate AO-92 on L-band I will have to lug my IC-9700 out for use with handheld antennas since that's all I've got for L-band presently.
    I haven't worked PO-101 yet, but it's in my radios and I'll keep an eye out
    for it and work it if the the transponder is active.

    I will update on twitter as things progress.

    73,
    John Stone, KC9VGG EN50


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    Message: 5
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:43:18 -0500
    From: John Geiger <af5cc2@?????.???>
    To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
    Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FT847 for sale
    Message-ID: <CAHC1P2-otK+U2pWMtKD6nnN2J=T4vBjMnwEr6a1RfNMYAj73HA@????.?????.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

    I have for sale a 2000 production year Yaesu FT847 HF/6m/2m/70cm satellite radio. This model does 100 watts on HF and 6 meters, and 50 watts on 2m
    and 70cm. It also does full duplex for satellite operation, making it a
    great HF/VHF/UHF station radio, and it is still small enough to make mobile
    or portable. This is still one of the best satellite radios out there, and allows you to do full duplex on Mode A as it has HF on it.

    It has a built in CW keyer, DSP noise reduction and bandwidth tuning,
    autonotch filter, transmit monitor, and speech processor.

    Everything works fine on it and the physical condition is pretty good, with
    a few scratches here and there on it. The face looks good on it. It is missing the tilt up wire bale on the bottom, but it does have the carry
    handle on it.

    It comes with the power cord, hand mic, and manual. Very nice operating
    rig where you can do it all in one box.

    I am asking $705 shipped in the US. I can take paypal/check/MO/cash.
    Pictures available on request.

    73 John W5TD


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    Message: 6
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:51:01 +0000 (UTC)
    From: "Bob Liddy (K8BL)" <k8bl@?????????.???>
    To: amsat-bb@?????.???? Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
    Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Anyone on EO-88?
    Message-ID: <1507840940.4381860.1563551461994@????.?????.???>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

    I have a used IC-820H that was picked up for a few hundredbucks. It's
    really not that big and I use it to rove by having itin the back of my SUV
    with the tailgate up and plugged intothe accessory jack back there. Arrow is
    on a tripod and theback of the SUV makes a nice place to rest my butt. The 820works all-mode and is Full-duplex. It has worked great for mewhile roving almost 120 Grids since 2012. You can see mysetup on my QRZ Page. There are a lot of these older rigsavailable on the typical used market sites for very reasonableprices. Check them out and broaden your horizons (HIHI).
    GL/73,? ? ?Bob? K8BL

    On Friday, July 19, 2019, 07:09:10 AM EDT, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

    What I can't understand is that people continue to shame other hams for not operating on the linears.? ? Having only just recently obtained the
    equipment necessary to work the linears (and then, only at the shack, my equipment is not portable in any way), I can say that it was not cheap nor
    easy to do.? ? Working the FM birds is both far cheaper and easier, for
    sure.

    Those that are stuck on the FM birds are likely not doing it by choice.
    It's all they have.? Please keep that in mind.

    --Roy
    K3RLD




    EO-88 is in a low inclination orbit and so stays close to the equator. Many of us in the northern part of the continental U.S. and Canada cannot access it because it never passes far enough north for us to be in the footprint. That said, it can sometimes be lonely on linear satellites on passes that cover much of the continental U.S. I can?t understand why people would
    prefer to step all over one another on a single channel FM bird rather than spread out on a nice passband. Yes, the linears require a bit more effort, technical skill, and possibly a
    bit more of a monetary investment. But by finding some bargains on used
    gear and learning a bit more about how things work, they are well within reach of the average ham.
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    Message: 7
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:44:32 -0400
    From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@????.???>
    To: amsat bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
    Subject: [amsat-bb] PSAT2 Object Number is 44354 - not -357
    Message-ID: <6c73f15cde1f41e3d46ba4b1242f2cd0@????.?????.???>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

    Anyone who has a reference to PSAT2 as object number 44357 needs to change
    it to 44354. It is definatley not 44357.

    But it is still unreaolved between 44354, 355 and another one, though we
    are pretty sure it is 44354.

    So change your referecnes to 44354 thoiugh we are not going to formally
    request that number until we see more separation from other objects.

    Our temporary ground station in a close t on a 3rd floor sucks. SO if
    anyone has better proof it is 44354, then we welcome it.

    But it ain't 44357.

    Bob, WB4aPR


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    Message: 8
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:40:42 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
    From: <cchunter3@??????????.???>
    To: amsat-bb@?????.???
    Subject: [amsat-bb] RE PSAT2 Object Number is 44354 - not -357
    Message-ID:
    <264111465.6706.1563561642425@??????????????.???.??.?????????.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

    hi Bob, I have also been tracking object 44355. it is trailing 354 enough
    that I can hear packets when my local is outside of 44354 but just within footprint 355 on training edge of pass. this has been consistent. however
    they are not strong enough to decode. I can only assume they are PSAT2. Not sure if that is valid assumption.
    I also have seen, using both these objects, that the SSTV 435 frequency is about 7-8mhz higher that published.
    THANKS!
    73 Christy KB6LTY DM14


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    Anyone who has a reference to PSAT2 as object number 44357 needs to change
    it to 44354. It is definatley not 44357.

    But it is still unreaolved between 44354, 355 and another one, though we
    are pretty sure it is 44354.

    So change your referecnes to 44354 thoiugh we are not going to formally
    request that number until we see more separation from other objects.

    Our temporary ground station in a close t on a 3rd floor sucks. SO if
    anyone has better proof it is 44354, then we welcome it.

    But it ain't 44357.

    Bob, WB4aPR


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    Message: 9
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 22:50:18 +0200
    From: Lapo Pieri <ik5nax@???????????.??>
    To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
    Cc: Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
    Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Anyone on EO-88?
    Message-ID: <20190719205018.GB5429@??????>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

    05:27 Fri 19 Jul 19 , Bob Hammond wrote:
    What equipment do I need to work the linear sats as a portable station?
    I'm a recycled sat operator with FM gear for portable ops.

    I've never operated sat with a portable station; I've a small station but
    with fully stearable antenna for 2m and 70cm, I can't give you first hand information but I see several hams using hand stearable doble yagi.

    Lapo, IK5NAX


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    Message: 10
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 22:53:32 +0200
    From: Lapo Pieri <ik5nax@???????????.??>
    To: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
    Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
    Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Anyone on EO-88?
    Message-ID: <20190719205332.GC5429@??????>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

    08:38 Fri 19 Jul 19 , Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB wrote:
    The true shame is that all mode full duplex transceivers aren't more
    common!

    I use a couple of vintage RTX, an IC211E for 2m and an FT-780R for 70cm:
    they work great!

    Lapo, IK5NAX


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    Message: 11
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 21:35:50 +0000 (UTC)
    From: Robert Switzer <rs2atmink@?????.???>
    To: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>, Lapo Pieri <ik5nax@???????????.??>
    Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
    Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Anyone on EO-88?
    Message-ID: <16369619.4547735.1563572150133@????.?????.???>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

    portable linear is on my "to do" list with a FT-817 and SDR/tablet combo,
    but most of my time on the sats has been very limited
    lately, so just a few FM/ISS passes per week for now.? But I know portable linear is doable from those who have "gone before".
    Rob KA2CZU
    On Friday, July 19, 2019, 4:54:40 PM EDT, Lapo Pieri via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

    08:38 Fri 19 Jul 19? , Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB wrote:
    The true shame is that all mode full duplex transceivers aren't more
    common!

    I use a couple of vintage RTX, an IC211E for 2m and an FT-780R for 70cm:
    they work great!

    Lapo, IK5NAX
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    Message: 12
    Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:22:21 -0400
    From: "Cal Spreitzer" <n3cal@??.?????????.???>
    To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
    Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] W4A Special Event Station this weekend
    Message-ID: <000601d53e80$6f263a90$4d72afb0$@?????????.???>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

    W4A is up and running! Just worked them on the XW2F pass here in FM18 (Maryland) @ 2210 on the 19th. First one in their log! Sounding good Tim!


    73 de Cal/N3CAL

    -----Original Message-----
    From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of Tim N8DEU
    via AMSAT-BB
    Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:51 PM
    To: 'Amsat'
    Subject: [amsat-bb] W4A Special Event Station this weekend

    Listen for amateur radio station W4A, a special event station, operating on Amateur Radio Satellites and HF bands this weekend commemorating after 50
    years of the landing of the "Eagle" and six hours later man walked on the
    moon.

    We will be operating inside the park from the US Space and Rocket Center grounds at Huntsville, Alabama. You never know who will be at the microphone
    at the satellite station as there will be several dignitaries onsite from
    the Apollo and Space Shuttle programs. This is an opportunity that does not happen often.

    Additional information can be discovered at:
    https://www.qrz.com/lookup/w4a



    Tim Cunningham - N8DEU

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    Message: 13
    Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:10:36 -0400
    From: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
    To: amsat-bb@?????.???
    Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] W4A Special Event Station this weekend
    Message-ID: <CADGPg2t8uncQ1AnrFxMr2kpG01tid8bG+GZz4Mi9euES-ux+vA@????.?????.???> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

    Also note that N1KSC is on the birds. Just had a qso on SO-50!

    I guess I should have expected them, but still a very pleasant surprise on
    July 20th, 2019.

    --Roy
    K3RLD


    W4A is up and running! Just worked them on the XW2F pass here in FM18 (Maryland) @ 2210 on the 19th. First one in their log! Sounding good Tim!
    73 de Cal/N3CAL


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    Message: 14
    Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:06:07 -0400
    From: "Cal Spreitzer" <n3cal@??.?????????.???>
    To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
    Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] W4A Special Event Station this weekend
    Message-ID: <000b01d53f1d$6c064790$4412d6b0$@?????????.???>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

    We worked them (N1KSC) on both AO-91 and SO-50 today. I especially liked
    their "roger beep" at end of each transmission. Sounds just like the Apollo Missions did!

    Cal/N3CAL

    -----Original Message-----
    From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB
    Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 11:11 AM
    To: amsat-bb@?????.???
    Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] W4A Special Event Station this weekend

    Also note that N1KSC is on the birds. Just had a qso on SO-50!

    I guess I should have expected them, but still a very pleasant surprise on
    July 20th, 2019.

    --Roy
    K3RLD


    W4A is up and running! Just worked them on the XW2F pass here in FM18 (Maryland) @ 2210 on the 19th. First one in their log! Sounding good Tim!
    73 de Cal/N3CAL
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