• Synchronet on a Pi

    From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 02:35:10 2019
    Hey DM,

    I did rebuilds today - both on Intel and RPi - with the intention of moving my system back to the Pi.

    I cloned my BBS data to the Pi and started it, and I got some errors on startup:
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    8/26 22:10:12 term Node 1 socket 34 attached to local interface 172.17.0.3 port 23
    8/26 22:10:17 term Node 1 !ERROR 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) in main.cpp line 3506 (init) locking "/opt/sbbs/ctrl/node.dab" access=1
    8/26 22:10:17 term 0034 Telnet Node 1 !Initialization failure
    8/26 22:10:30 term 0034 Telnet connection accepted from: 10.1.3.95 port 59747 8/26 22:10:30 term 0034 Telnet Hostname: Deons-MBP.ipv4.leenooks.vpn [10.1.3.95]
    8/26 22:10:30 term Node 1 socket 34 attached to local interface 172.17.0.3 port 23
    8/26 22:10:35 term Node 1 !ERROR 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) in main.cpp line 3506 (init) locking "/opt/sbbs/ctrl/node.dab" access=1
    8/26 22:10:35 term 0034 Telnet Node 1 !Initialization failure
    --

    My telnet to port 23 showed:

    --
    Deons-MBP:~ deon$ telnet p-1-1
    Trying 10.1.3.77...
    Connected to p-1-1.ipv4.leenooks.vpn.
    Escape character is '^]'.

    Synchronet BBS for Linux Version 3.17
    Telnet connection from: 10.1.3.95
    Resolving hostname...

    Sorry, initialization failed. Try again later.
    Connection closed by foreign host.
    --

    So I started with a clean environment (I'm running in docker - so its easy to spin up another instance with its own data dirs), and I've got this in the logs:

    --
    8/26 22:18:13 evnt BBS Events !ERROR 22 (Invalid argument) in getnode.cpp line 95 (getnodedat) locking "node.dab" access=2
    8/26 22:18:13 term 0033 Telnet connection accepted from: 10.1.3.95 port 59774 8/26 22:18:13 term 0033 Telnet Hostname: Deons-MBP.ipv4.leenooks.vpn [10.1.3.95]
    8/26 22:18:13 term Node 1 socket 33 attached to local interface 172.17.0.3 port 23
    8/26 22:18:18 evnt BBS Events !ERROR 22 (Invalid argument) in getnode.cpp line 95 (getnodedat) locking "node.dab" access=3
    8/26 22:18:18 term Node 1 !ERROR 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) in main.cpp line 3506 (init) locking "/opt/sbbs/ctrl/node.dab" access=1
    8/26 22:18:18 term 0033 Telnet Node 1 !Initialization failure
    8/26 22:18:23 evnt BBS Events !ERROR 22 (Invalid argument) in getnode.cpp line 95 (getnodedat) locking "node.dab" access=4
    8/26 22:18:23 evnt BBS Events DAILY: System maintenance begun
    --

    (And just to be sure there wasnt an issue with my docker container, I spun up an Intel container with a clean environment, and no problems...)

    There were no other specific error messages on the Pi, so I'm hoping I quoted enough to be helpful.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 17:37:26 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Mon Aug 26 2019 10:35 pm

    Hey DM,

    I did rebuilds today - both on Intel and RPi - with the intention of moving my system back to the Pi.

    I cloned my BBS data to the Pi and started it, and I got some errors on startup:
    --
    8/26 22:10:12 term Node 1 socket 34 attached to local interface 172.17.0.3 port 23
    8/26 22:10:17 term Node 1 !ERROR 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) in main.cpp line 3506 (init) locking "/opt/sbbs/ctrl/node.dab" access=1

    There was a recent change to the file record locking code, for Linux, in src/xpdev/filewrap.c. This change to was to make use of Open File Description Locks, when available, instead of POSIX locks. To see if this is the issue, try replacing the file src/xpdev/filewrap.c with revision 1.46 of filewrap.c:
    http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/src/xpdev/filewrap.c?revision=1.46

    Perform a rebuild and see if the issue goes away or persists and let me know. Thanks,

    digital man

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 16:36:48 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 01:37 pm

    There was a recent change to the file record locking code, for Linux, in src/xpdev/filewrap.c. This change to was to make use of Open File Description Locks, when available, instead of POSIX locks. To see
    if this is the issue, try replacing the file src/xpdev/filewrap.c with revision 1.46 of filewrap.c:
    http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/src/xpdev/filewrap.c?revision=1.46

    Perform a rebuild and see if the issue goes away or persists and let me know. Thanks,

    OK, it appears to OK with that version of filewrap.c

    No errors on startup, and telneting to the BBS works.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 23:54:21 2019
    What's the difference between a pi and an iPad?

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 00:49:42 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 12:36 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 01:37 pm

    There was a recent change to the file record locking code, for Linux, in src/xpdev/filewrap.c. This change to was to make use of Open File Description Locks, when available, instead of POSIX locks. To see
    if this is the issue, try replacing the file src/xpdev/filewrap.c with revision 1.46 of filewrap.c: http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi /*checkout*/src/xpdev/filewrap.c ?revision=1.46

    Perform a rebuild and see if the issue goes away or persists and let me know. Thanks,

    OK, it appears to OK with that version of filewrap.c

    No errors on startup, and telneting to the BBS works.

    Oh, that's kind of a bummer. Maybe Open File Descripton Locks are supported in your Linux distro/version?

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 27 00:50:47 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 07:54 pm

    What's the difference between a pi and an iPad?

    Do you mean a raspberry pi? It's nothing like an iPad. https://www.raspberrypi.org/

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 00:51:55 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 08:49 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 12:36 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 01:37 pm

    There was a recent change to the file record locking code, for Linux, in src/xpdev/filewrap.c. This change to was to make use of Open File Description Locks, when available, instead of POSIX locks. To see
    if this is the issue, try replacing the file src/xpdev/filewrap.c with revision 1.46 of filewrap.c: http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi /*checkout*/src/xpdev/filewrap.c ?revision=1.46

    Perform a rebuild and see if the issue goes away or persists and let me know. Thanks,

    OK, it appears to OK with that version of filewrap.c

    No errors on startup, and telneting to the BBS works.

    Oh, that's kind of a bummer. Maybe Open File Descripton Locks are supported in your Linux distro/version?

    I meant to say/ask if OFD locks are *not* supported in your Linux distro/version?

    digital man

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 19:10:45 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 08:49 pm

    Oh, that's kind of a bummer. Maybe Open File Descripton Locks are supported in your Linux distro/version?

    Unsure....

    This is on a Pi, running rasbian (based on stretch).

    Linux p-1-1 4.19.58-v7+ #1245 SMP Fri Jul 12 17:25:51 BST 2019 armv7l GNU/Linux

    I know I've had inode related issues in the past, when I was playing with gluster - because it was a 32 bit environment, so I needed to mount gluster with enable-ino32=1 otherwise there were fstat issues...

    Not knowing anything about OFD - I google found this statement:

    https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9289177/
    "The Linux kernel expects a flock64 structure whenever you use OFD locks with fcntl64."

    Not sure if that is related/helpful...
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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 19:21:38 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:10 pm

    Not sure if that is related/helpful...

    I found this too:

    https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9287471/

    It does seem like a 32 bit issue? (Unless I've barked up the wrong tree...) ...δεσ*

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 02:59:38 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:10 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 08:49 pm

    Oh, that's kind of a bummer. Maybe Open File Descripton Locks are supported in your Linux distro/version?

    Unsure....

    This is on a Pi, running rasbian (based on stretch).

    Linux p-1-1 4.19.58-v7+ #1245 SMP Fri Jul 12 17:25:51 BST 2019 armv7l GNU/Linux

    I know I've had inode related issues in the past, when I was playing with gluster - because it was a 32 bit environment, so I needed to mount gluster with enable-ino32=1 otherwise there were fstat issues...

    Not knowing anything about OFD - I google found this statement:

    https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9289177/
    "The Linux kernel expects a flock64 structure whenever you use OFD locks with fcntl64."

    Not sure if that is related/helpful...

    That looks like it might be very relevant. Did you try applying that patch to your system's fcnt-linux.h file? If that is in fact the issue, then that patch should fix you up - behave the same as using thee older filewrap.c revision.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 03:05:14 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:21 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:10 pm

    Not sure if that is related/helpful...

    I found this too:

    https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9287471/

    It does seem like a 32 bit issue? (Unless I've barked up the wrong tree...)

    No, I think you've likely hit right on it.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 03:19:56 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 11:05 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:21 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:10 pm

    Not sure if that is related/helpful...

    I found this too:

    https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9287471/

    It does seem like a 32 bit issue? (Unless I've barked up the wrong tree...)

    No, I think you've likely hit right on it.

    I was not able to reproduce this on my own rPi:

    Linux raspberrypi 4.14.71-v7+ #1145 SMP Fri Sep 21 15:38:35 BST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux

    ... I double-checked and I don't seem to have any of the fixes/patches installed either.

    digital man

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 20:30:23 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 10:59 pm

    That looks like it might be very relevant. Did you try applying that patch to your system's fcnt-linux.h file? If that is in fact the issue, then that patch should fix you up - behave the same as using thee
    older filewrap.c revision.

    No - that's getting to rebuild the kernel or glibc - right? (Havent looked, but guessing).

    I'm pretty much sticking to stock rasbian...

    Without does this, will this mean that a Pi is no longer a viable destination for SBBS? (Or sticking with 3.17c as released..?)
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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 20:38:03 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 11:19 pm

    I was not able to reproduce this on my own rPi:

    Well, I was actually hoping you would say that.

    Linux raspberrypi 4.14.71-v7+ #1145 SMP Fri Sep 21 15:38:35 BST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux
    ... I double-checked and I don't seem to have any of the fixes/patches installed either.

    So, that gets into whats different between your and my Pi.

    1) The kernel - mine is 4.19.58-v7+ almost a year newer than yours, so an option for me would be to go back in time. But realistically perhaps you should try forward in time (since others would likely hit this problem and likely be newer in time).

    As I say, I'm using stock defaults (other than SBBS) - so anything an apt-get gives me.

    I have another pi that is 4.19.42, which I could try...

    2) I'm guessing because i have a newer kernel, I'll have newer glibc libraries..
    ii libc-bin 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf GNU C Library: Binaries
    ii libc-dev-bin 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf GNU C Library: Development binaries
    ii libc-l10n 2.24-11+deb9u4 all GNU C Library: localization files
    ii libc6:armhf 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf GNU C Library: Shared libraries
    ii libc6-dbg:armhf 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf GNU C Library: detached debugging symbols
    ii libc6-dev:armhf 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files

    3) I'm running my install in docker - but I dont think that is an issue here - as somebody in FSXnet had the same issue (and I am confident that they are not using docker).

    Where do you want to go with this?
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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 21:05:05 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 04:38 pm

    I have another pi that is 4.19.42, which I could try...

    So I tried on that Pi and the same problem.

    I have an idea if you are willing.

    IE: If my container works on your environment, then it is kernel/glibc related.

    If you dont have docker, on your Pi, its pretty easy to install:
    ie: https://chinwag.static.leenooks.net/2018/09/02/docker/

    And you really only want to run:
    curl -sSL https://get.docker.com | sudo sh

    Then:
    docker run -it -p 23:23 registry.leenooks.net/bbs/sbbs:3.17c-armv7l

    And you'll see SBBS start up (might take a bit to get the container), and you'll be on the console of SBBS.

    (The -p 23:23 will let you telnet to it from outside the container, and if port 23 is used, you can change it to -p 2323:23 - which will enable you to telnet to port 2323 and it will join you to port 23 inside the container, or some other suitable port).

    Also, as soon as you quit, everything will evaporate - so if you want to play with this more, I need to give you more steps. But for testing this scenario, it'll confirm if my build works on your Pi :)
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 04:54:44 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 04:30 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 10:59 pm

    That looks like it might be very relevant. Did you try applying that patch to your system's fcnt-linux.h file? If that is in fact the issue, then that patch should fix you up - behave the same as using thee
    older filewrap.c revision.

    No - that's getting to rebuild the kernel or glibc - right? (Havent looked, but guessing).

    No, it just means patching that one header file and rebuilding sbbs.

    I'm pretty much sticking to stock rasbian...

    Without does this, will this mean that a Pi is no longer a viable destination for SBBS? (Or sticking with 3.17c as released..?)

    Nah, there'll be some work-around.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 04:58:13 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 04:38 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 11:19 pm

    I was not able to reproduce this on my own rPi:

    Well, I was actually hoping you would say that.

    Linux raspberrypi 4.14.71-v7+ #1145 SMP Fri Sep 21 15:38:35 BST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux
    ... I double-checked and I don't seem to have any of the fixes/patches installed either.

    So, that gets into whats different between your and my Pi.

    1) The kernel - mine is 4.19.58-v7+ almost a year newer than yours, so an option for me would be to go back in time. But realistically perhaps you should try forward in time (since others would likely hit this problem and likely be newer in time).

    As I say, I'm using stock defaults (other than SBBS) - so anything an apt-get gives me.

    I have another pi that is 4.19.42, which I could try...

    2) I'm guessing because i have a newer kernel, I'll have newer glibc libraries..
    ii libc-bin 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf
    GNU C Library: Binaries
    ii libc-dev-bin 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf
    GNU C Library: Development binaries
    ii libc-l10n 2.24-11+deb9u4 all
    GNU C Library: localization files
    ii libc6:armhf 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf
    GNU C Library: Shared libraries
    ii libc6-dbg:armhf 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf
    GNU C Library: detached debugging symbols
    ii libc6-dev:armhf 2.24-11+deb9u4 armhf
    GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files

    3) I'm running my install in docker - but I dont think that is an issue here - as somebody in FSXnet had the same issue (and I am confident that they are not using docker).

    Where do you want to go with this?

    Well... I'd like to find out if you have LFS (large file support) enabled in your build. I can't think of an immediate way for you to check that easily, but what that means is that _FILE_OFFSET_BITS would be defined in the build environment and set to "64". If that is set to 64, I don't think this issue happens with OFD locks. That might be the difference between my rPi and yours... whether LFS is enabled.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 04:59:24 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 05:05 pm

    IE: If my container works on your environment, then it is kernel/glibc related.

    I think we have a pretty good idea of what the problem is, so reproducing it probably isn't 100% necessary in order to create a workable work-around. I'll give it some thought and experimentation.

    digital man

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 00:06:48 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 12:54 am

    That looks like it might be very relevant. Did you try applying that patch to your system's fcnt-linux.h file? If that is in fact the issue,
    then that patch should fix you up - behave the same as using thee
    older filewrap.c revision.
    No - that's getting to rebuild the kernel or glibc - right? (Havent looked, but guessing).
    No, it just means patching that one header file and rebuilding sbbs.

    I'm a little confused.

    Using the older filewrap.c, SBBS starts and works ok.

    Using the new filewrap.c, SBBS doesnt start and complains of locking.

    If you suggestion was to patch that fcnt-linux.h header file (so I could compile SBBS with the latest version of filewrap.c), from what I can see, its part of the kernel. SBBS doesnt use that header file when it compiles (ie: it doesnt exist on my build environment, when I build SBBS).
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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 00:31:13 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 08:06 pm

    If you suggestion was to patch that fcnt-linux.h header file (so I could compile SBBS with the latest version of filewrap.c), from what I can see, its
    part of the kernel. SBBS doesnt use that header file when it compiles (ie: it doesnt exist on my build environment, when I build SBBS).

    Dang, I was looking at the wrong file. fcntl.h is part of the kernel, fcntl-linux.h is part of glibc.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 07:33:53 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 08:06 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 12:54 am

    That looks like it might be very relevant. Did you try applying that patch to your system's fcnt-linux.h file? If that is in fact the issue, DM>> then that patch should fix you up - behave the same as using thee DM>> older filewrap.c revision.
    No - that's getting to rebuild the kernel or glibc - right? (Havent looked, but guessing).
    No, it just means patching that one header file and rebuilding sbbs.

    I'm a little confused.

    Using the older filewrap.c, SBBS starts and works ok.

    Using the new filewrap.c, SBBS doesnt start and complains of locking.

    If you suggestion was to patch that fcnt-linux.h header file (so I could compile SBBS with the latest version of filewrap.c), from what I can see, its part of the kernel. SBBS doesnt use that header file when it compiles (ie: it doesnt exist on my build environment, when I build SBBS).

    No, it's part of the C run-time library (CRTL) and SBBS *does* use that header file because it #includes fcntl.h (in src/xpdev/filewrap.*).

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 07:34:19 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 08:31 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 08:06 pm

    If you suggestion was to patch that fcnt-linux.h header file (so I could compile SBBS with the latest version of filewrap.c), from what I can see, its
    part of the kernel. SBBS doesnt use that header file when it compiles (ie: it doesnt exist on my build environment, when I build SBBS).

    Dang, I was looking at the wrong file. fcntl.h is part of the kernel, fcntl-linux.h is part of glibc.

    They're both part of the CRTL.

    digital man

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  • From Mortifis@VERT/ALLEYCAT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 13:59:19 2019
    @MSGID: <5D64CB8C.6629.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    @REPLY: <5D64C81A.6628.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    @TZ: c1e0
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 11:05 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:21 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:10 pm

    Not sure if that is related/helpful...

    I found this too:

    https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9287471/

    It does seem like a 32 bit issue? (Unless I've barked up the wrong tree...)

    No, I think you've likely hit right on it.

    I was not able to reproduce this on my own rPi:

    Linux raspberrypi 4.14.71-v7+ #1145 SMP Fri Sep 21 15:38:35 BST 2018 armv7l GNU/Linux

    ... I double-checked and I don't seem to have any of the fixes/patches installed either.

    digital man

    I believe you were not able to reproduce the issue because he is using the July 2019 version (Buster) and you are using Sep 2018 version (Stretch) ... there were updates released in July 2019 to accommodate the rPi 4 that maybe relevant

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 03:26:52 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:33 am

    No, it's part of the C run-time library (CRTL) and SBBS *does* use that header file because it #includes fcntl.h (in src/xpdev/filewrap.*).

    My bad. I was doing find's to see if it was inside my build container, and I do see fcntl.h now (I didnt before). Since I didnt see it before I was googling to see what/where those files were...

    I'll figure out which one to patch (I see a few) and try a new rebuild... ...δεσ*

    ... I belong to no organized party - I am a democrat.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 13:19:56 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 11:26 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 03:33 am

    No, it's part of the C run-time library (CRTL) and SBBS *does* use that header file because it #includes fcntl.h (in src/xpdev/filewrap.*).

    My bad. I was doing find's to see if it was inside my build container, and I do see fcntl.h now (I didnt before). Since I didnt see it before I was googling to see what/where those files were...

    I'll figure out which one to patch (I see a few) and try a new rebuild...

    I think the only file that needs the patch is fcntl-linux.h.

    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #96:
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 18:30:33 2019
    I wanted to use Raspberry Pi but afraid I was going to get hungry and eat it all up.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 27 20:47:56 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Mon Aug 26 2019 07:54 pm

    What's the difference between a pi and an iPad?

    $ The Millionaire $


    both are the same thing.
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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Mortifis on Wed Aug 28 12:22:02 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Mortifis to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 09:59 am

    I believe you were not able to reproduce the issue because he is using the July 2019 version (Buster) and you are using Sep 2018 version (Stretch) ... there were updates released in July 2019 to accommodate
    the rPi 4 that maybe relevant

    I'm not running buster - but perhaps an apt-update installed a buster kernel?

    I have another Pi that is using a May kernel 4.19.42, and it is exhibiting the same problem.
    ...δεσ*

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  • From Alterego@VERT/ALTERANT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 14:22:30 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 09:19 am

    I think the only file that needs the patch is fcntl-linux.h.

    OK, did that, just recompile from a fresh update, and bingo, SBBS is running on the Pi.

    For reference, this is the patch I used, but I only applied fcntl-linux.h https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9289177/
    ...δεσ*

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 22:08:30 2019
    Why is Pi so big now with bbses but not tablets? I don't understand that one very well.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 27 22:47:07 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 06:08 pm

    Why is Pi so big now with bbses but not tablets? I don't understand that one very well.

    Are you referring to the Raspberry Pi? The Raspberry Pi (rPi) It's a device designed to run for long periods of time, consuming low power.

    A tablet is designed to run when a user needs it, lighting up a bright display and touch screen. When the user doesn't need it, it goes into very low power modes. It's *not* a platform to be used for running a server/BBS.

    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #44:
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 23:06:24 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 06:08 pm

    Are you referring to the Raspberry Pi? The Raspberry Pi (rPi) It's a device designed to run for long periods of time, consuming low power.

    A tablet is designed to run when a user needs it, lighting up a bright display and touch screen. When the user doesn't need it, it goes into very low power modes. It's *not* a platform to be used for running a server/BBS.

    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #44:
    Synchronet added JavaScript suppport with v3.10a (2001).
    Norco, CA WX: 83.5øF, 50.0% humidity, 11 mph ENE wind, 0.00 inches
    rain/24hrs

    parallels access allows you to run windows on it.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 22:34:00 2019
    -=> On 08-27-19 18:08, The Millionaire wrote to Alterego <=-

    Why is Pi so big now with bbses but not tablets? I donΓÇÖt understand
    that one very well.

    The Pi is a full blown Linux system. You can install any software written to run under Linux on an ARM processot (almost all Linux software can be compiled on a Pi). Tablets, OTOH are designed to be more or less appliances to access online services and perform tasks. They need apps written specially for them. Unlike the Pi, which can more or less use the same source code (may need compiler directives) as PC based applications, tablets need applets written specifically for them, and each tablet platform (Android or iOS) uses a totally separate development process.

    For this reason, getting SBBS to work on the Pi would have been a fairly trivial (am I correct DM? ;) ), but getting it to run on an Android or iOS tablet would require a ground up port to those platforms in a different development environment.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 22:37:00 2019
    On 08-27-19 18:47, Digital Man wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 06:08 pm

    Why is Pi so big now with bbses but not tablets? I don't understand that one very well.

    Are you referring to the Raspberry Pi? The Raspberry Pi (rPi) It's a device designed to run for long periods of time, consuming low power.

    And as I said in my past message, it's much easier to port PC software to the Pi (especially if that software was written for Linux in the first place) than it is to either Android or iOS.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Tony Langdon on Wed Aug 28 06:35:03 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 06:34 pm

    For this reason, getting SBBS to work on the Pi would have been a fairly trivial (am I correct DM? ;) ),

    Yup, that's right.


    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #104:
    Synchronet channel: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsQ8iXU5yvrybyoEgo__97A Norco, CA WX: 65.6°F, 91.0% humidity, 0 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Digital Man on Thu Aug 29 00:31:00 2019
    On 08-28-19 02:35, Digital Man wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 06:34 pm

    For this reason, getting SBBS to work on the Pi would have been a fairly trivial (am I correct DM? ;) ),

    Yup, that's right.

    As I suspected. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 13:36:10 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 06:08 pm

    Why is Pi so big now with bbses but not tablets? I don't understand that one very well.

    I think one reason is because the Pi is a very small device, so it doesn't take up much room and doesn't use much power. Also, I think another reason is you can install Linux on it, and then you can get Synchronet running on that.

    The Pi is made for doing your own thing with it, which you might not be able to do with a tablet. For instance, the iPad (along with many of Apple's devices) are restricted in what you can do (unless perhaps you jailbreak it and find a way to install Linux on it). And something like the Microsoft Surface Pro is a lot more expensive.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 13:37:12 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 27 2019 07:06 pm

    parallels access allows you to run windows on it.

    You seem to be typing a > in front of your replies now.. Why is that? That makes it look like a quote line.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Wed Aug 28 13:40:27 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 06:34 pm

    For this reason, getting SBBS to work on the Pi would have been a fairly trivial (am I correct DM? ;) ), but getting it to run on an Android or iOS tablet would require a ground up port to those platforms in a different development environment.

    Are you sure about that? Android's base OS is Linux, so if you can get SSH access to your phone (might require rooting), I have a feeling you might be able to get Synchronet to build and run on Android similarly to Linux. And I thought iOS was based on Darwin (a *nix-like OS), similar to Mac OS X. I used to have an iPod Touch that I jailbroke, and I was able to enable SSH command-line access to it. I think progress has been made on getting Synchronet to build & run on OS X, so I'm wondering if it could run similarly on iOS (might require jailbreaking though).

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 14:45:37 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 06:34 pm

    Are you sure about that? Android's base OS is Linux, so if you can get SSH access to your phone (might require rooting), I have a feeling you might be able to get Synchronet to build and run on Android similarly to Linux. And I thought iOS was based on Darwin (a *nix-like OS), similar to Mac OS X. I used to have an iPod Touch that I jailbroke, and I was able to enable SSH command-line access to it. I think progress has been made on getting Synchronet to build & run on OS X, so I'm wondering if it could run similarly on iOS (might require jailbreaking though).

    Nightfox

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    I hear jail breaking is risky though.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 14:47:45 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 06:08 pm

    Are you referring to the Raspberry Pi? The Raspberry Pi (rPi) It's a device designed to run for long periods of time, consuming low power.

    A tablet is designed to run when a user needs it, lighting up a bright display and touch screen. When the user doesn't need it, it goes into very low power modes. It's *not* a platform to be used for running a server/BBS.

    digital man

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #44:
    Synchronet added JavaScript suppport with v3.10a (2001).
    Norco, CA WX: 83.5øF, 50.0% humidity, 11 mph ENE wind, 0.00 inches
    rain/24hrs

    Will I have probs with the Microsoft Surface Pro too as well with running a bbs?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 14:53:19 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:45 am

    I hear jail breaking is risky though.

    Why are you typing a > in front of your replies?

    There are some risks to jailbreaking, but when I had an iPod Touch (about 11 years ago now), the jailbreaking process wasn't too bad. But perhaps Apple has put in more security to try to prevent jailbreaking since then.. I don't know how easy it is to jailbreak iOS devices these days.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 15:18:27 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:45 am

    Why are you typing a > in front of your replies?

    There are some risks to jailbreaking, but when I had an iPod Touch (about 11 years ago now), the jailbreaking process wasn't too bad. But perhaps Apple has put in more security to try to prevent jailbreaking since then.. I don't know how easy it is to jailbreak iOS devices these days.

    Nightfox

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    People are still doing it though. Watch some YouTube videos.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 15:24:50 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:47 am

    Will I have probs with the Microsoft Surface Pro too as well with
    running a
    bbs?

    One issue I can think of is that a Surface Pro will probably come pre-installed with the 64-bit edition of Windows. If you want to be able to run DOS doors, you'd need a 32-bit edition of Windows. So you might have to set up a VM on it to run a 32-bit edition of Windows if you want to run DOS doors.

    Also, DM's comment about tablets lighting up a bright screen reminded me that if you want to run it all the time for your BBS, you'll have to deal with having an integrated screen. So you'd probably want to set up Windows on it to power off the screen after an amount of inactivity (I think Windows is set up like that by default, to shut the screen off after 10 minutes). That way, it won't light up the room all the time (particularly at night when you want to sleep). I've seen some issues with that though - On my desktop PC at home, I have it set to shut off the screen after 10 minutes, but for some reason it doesn't always do that.

    Although tablets are usually configured to go to low power modes when a user doesn't need it (as DM said), it's possible to configure the power plan in Windows so it doesn't do that. You can use the (pre-configured) high-performance power plan in Windows, or customize your power plan so it doesn't go into low-power mode. I think that should work fine if you plan to have it plugged into the wall for power all the time to run your BBS.

    It might be better to have a computer with a separate monitor to run a BBS on, so you can shut the monitor off when you don't need it so that it doesn't light up the room all the time.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 16:40:46 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:47 am


    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Alterego on Tue Aug 27 2019 06:08 pm

    Are you referring to the Raspberry Pi? The Raspberry Pi (rPi) It's a device designed to run for long periods of time, consuming low power.

    A tablet is designed to run when a user needs it, lighting up a bright display and touch screen. When the user doesn't need it, it goes into very low power modes. It's *not* a platform to be used for running a server/BBS.

    Will I have probs with the Microsoft Surface Pro too as well with running
    a bbs?

    I don't think it would be a problem (on a MSP) since its actually more of general purpose computer than a tablet.

    Are you typing ">" in your reply text? That character is how we determine quoted text from your text, so you're defeating that purpose if you're adding those characters yourself.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #28:
    We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 16:49:01 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:47 am

    I don't think it would be a problem (on a MSP) since its actually more of general purpose computer than a tablet.

    Are you typing ">" in your reply text? That character is how we determine quoted text from your text, so you're defeating that purpose if you're adding those characters yourself.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #28:
    We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.
    Norco, CA WX: 84.3øF, 55.0% humidity, 7 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs


    I will remove it from now on. It creates it automatically for me. Is that better now?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 17:41:55 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 12:49 pm


    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:47 am

    I don't think it would be a problem (on a MSP) since its actually more of general purpose computer than a tablet.

    Are you typing ">" in your reply text? That character is how we determine quoted text from your text, so you're defeating that purpose if you're adding those characters yourself.

    I will remove it from now on. It creates it automatically for me. Is that better now?

    Yes. It's supposed to be used for *quoted* text. Get it?

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #7:
    BinkP = BinkD Protocol
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 17:56:38 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 12:49 pm

    Yes. It's supposed to be used for *quoted* text. Get it?

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #7:
    BinkP = BinkD Protocol
    Norco, CA WX: 85.5øF, 53.0% humidity, 5 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs


    Yes I did get it, happy now?

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 20:48:05 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 01:56 pm

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 12:49 pm

    Yes. It's supposed to be used for *quoted* text. Get it?

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #7:
    BinkP = BinkD Protocol
    Norco, CA WX: 85.5¡F, 53.0% humidity, 5 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs


    Yes I did get it, happy now?


    what was adding it
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 18:52:05 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 12:49 pm

    Are you typing ">" in your reply text? That character is how we
    determine quoted text from your text, so you're defeating that purpose
    if you're adding those characters yourself.

    I will remove it from now on. It creates it automatically for me. Is that better now?

    What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you using)? Your message editor shouldn't automatically add " > " in front of text that you're writing in messages. The " > " is only for quoted text.

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 19:55:27 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 12:49 pm

    What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you using)?
    Your message editor shouldn't automatically add " > " in front of text that you're writing in messages. The " > " is only for quoted text.

    Nightfox

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    Ecweb4 is creating them not me.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Wed Aug 28 20:49:15 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 01:56 pm

    what was adding it
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    Ecweb4 is adding it.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 20:56:43 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 03:55 pm

    What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you
    using)? Your message editor shouldn't automatically add " > " in front
    of text that you're writing in messages. The " > " is only for quoted
    text.

    Ecweb4 is creating them not me.

    I think that's a bug in ecweb that should be reported to echicken.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to echicken on Wed Aug 28 20:57:40 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 03:55 pm

    What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you
    using)? Your message editor shouldn't automatically add " > " in front
    of text that you're writing in messages. The " > " is only for quoted
    text.

    Ecweb4 is creating them not me.

    echicken - Have you seen this? The Millionaire says ecwebv4 is prepending text entered in messages with " > ".

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 21:18:49 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 03:55 pm

    echicken - Have you seen this? The Millionaire says ecwebv4 is prepending text entered in messages with " > ".

    Nightfox

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  • From echicken to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 01:17:53 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 14:52:05

    I will remove it from now on. It creates it automatically for me. Is that

    What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you using)? Your message editor

    "it"

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  • From echicken to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 01:19:53 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 15:55:27

    Ecweb4 is creating them not me.

    It's probably quoting emptyish lines from the message you're replying to. I'll see about making it not do that.

    You *can* of course just click (tap) below the lines that begin with >.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 23:54:33 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 02:52 pm

    What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you using)? Yo message editor shouldn't automatically add " > " in front of text that you'r writing in messages. The " > " is only for quoted text.


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  • From echicken to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 01:24:36 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 16:56:43

    Ecweb4 is creating them not me.

    I think that's a bug in ecweb that should be reported to echicken.

    There's some room for improvement in the quoting, but it'll wait until I finish redoing the forum page. He can avoid this by deleting > or by starting his message on a line that doesn't begin with >. I expect it's picking up empty lines at the end of the quoted message and quoting them.

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  • From echicken to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 01:25:56 2019
    Re: ecwebv4 prepending text with > ?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 17:18:49

    He knows there's lots to fix and will soon sometime.

    No I don't. What else is among the "lots" that needs to be fixed?

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to echicken on Wed Aug 28 22:49:07 2019
    Re: ecwebv4 prepending text with > ?
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 17:18:49

    No I don't. What else is among the "lots" that needs to be fixed?

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    Take it easy man. Don't have a heart attack over it ok? The apostrophe has to be fixed amongst some other chars as well.
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 12:22:00 2019
    On 08-28-19 09:40, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 06:34 pm

    For this reason, getting SBBS to work on the Pi would have been a fairly trivial (am I correct DM? ;) ), but getting it to run on an Android or iOS tablet would require a ground up port to those platforms in a different development environment.

    Are you sure about that? Android's base OS is Linux, so if you can get SSH access to your phone (might require rooting), I have a feeling you might be able to get Synchronet to build and run on Android similarly
    to Linux. And I thought iOS was based on Darwin (a *nix-like OS),
    similar to Mac OS X. I used to have an iPod Touch that I jailbroke,
    and I was able to enable SSH command-line access to it. I think
    progress has been made on getting Synchronet to build & run on OS X, so I'm wondering if it could run similarly on iOS (might require
    jailbreaking though).

    I don't count rooting and jailbreaking as part of an "easy" porting solution. They are not part of a standard, off the shelf mobile system, and in the case of jailbreaking, it's a PITA to maintain, because it has to be re-done every time the OS is updated.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 15:24:00 2019
    On 08-28-19 10:53, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:45 am

    I hear jail breaking is risky though.

    Why are you typing a > in front of your replies?

    There are some risks to jailbreaking, but when I had an iPod Touch
    (about 11 years ago now), the jailbreaking process wasn't too bad. But perhaps Apple has put in more security to try to prevent jailbreaking since then.. I don't know how easy it is to jailbreak iOS devices
    these days.

    I tried jailbreaking for a while, but found it a pain to keep up with, because each time there was an iOS update, you had to wait until a new jailbreak was released for the updated version, before you could update (and then jailbreak again).


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 15:32:00 2019
    On 08-28-19 11:24, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:47 am

    Will I have probs with the Microsoft Surface Pro too as well with
    running a
    bbs?

    One issue I can think of is that a Surface Pro will probably come pre-installed with the 64-bit edition of Windows. If you want to be
    able to run DOS doors, you'd need a 32-bit edition of Windows. So you might have to set up a VM on it to run a 32-bit edition of Windows if
    you want to run DOS doors.

    Yeah that may or may not be an issue for him. For me, it's a non issue (same for running on a Pi), but for many it is an issue.

    Also, DM's comment about tablets lighting up a bright screen reminded
    me that if you want to run it all the time for your BBS, you'll have to deal with having an integrated screen. So you'd probably want to set
    up Windows on it to power off the screen after an amount of inactivity
    (I think Windows is set up like that by default, to shut the screen off after 10 minutes). That way, it won't light up the room all the time (particularly at night when you want to sleep). I've seen some issues with that though - On my desktop PC at home, I have it set to shut off
    the screen after 10 minutes, but for some reason it doesn't always do that.

    I have setup laptop power plans on Windows so that the screen turns off after 10 minutes inactivity, but no other power saving features are activated when on AC power. What I do on battery power depends on the intended applications for the device. Windows offers more than enough control over power management to suit whatever situation.

    It might be better to have a computer with a separate monitor to run a
    BBS on, so you can shut the monitor off when you don't need it so that
    it doesn't light up the room all the time.

    Setting up the screen power down delay can mitigate most of those issues, though a separate monitor does offer more flexibility. Either works fine.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Digital Man on Thu Aug 29 15:34:00 2019
    On 08-28-19 12:40, Digital Man wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    I don't think it would be a problem (on a MSP) since its actually more
    of general purpose computer than a tablet.

    I can't see a reason why SBBS wouldn't run on a MSP. An expensive way to do it, but one that should work fine.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 15:35:00 2019
    -=> On 08-28-19 12:49, The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    I will remove it from now on. It creates it automatically for me. Is
    that better now?

    Yes, much better.


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  • From echicken to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 02:23:00 2019
    Re: ecwebv4 prepending text with > ?
    By: The Millionaire to echicken on Wed Aug 28 2019 18:49:07

    No I don't. What else is among the "lots" that needs to be fixed?

    Take it easy man. Don't have a heart attack over it ok?

    I'm not sure what gives you the impression that I'm upset.

    You said there's lots that needs to be fixed and that I know about it. I don't know about it. I would like to know about it. That's all.

    The apostrophe has to
    be fixed amongst some other chars as well.

    I think DM made a change recently re: saving messages with UTF-8 body text. Perhaps this is related and has already been fixed? Otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about. What's wrong with the apostrophe? What are "some other chars"? What's the problem? Describe the issue or it won't get fixed.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to echicken on Wed Aug 28 23:34:39 2019
    Re: ecwebv4 prepending text with > ?
    By: echicken to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 10:23 pm

    The apostrophe has to
    be fixed amongst some other chars as well.

    I think DM made a change recently re: saving messages with UTF-8 body text. Perhaps this is related and has already been fixed? Otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about. What's wrong with the apostrophe? What are "some other chars"? What's the problem? Describe the issue or it won't get fixed.

    I'm pretty sure sure he's talking about the UTF-8 "Right Single Quotation Mark" (https://unicode-table.com/en/2019/) being used in place of an ASCII apostrophe (39, 0x27), of course that's something that his device/browser is doing, but accommodations needed to be in ecwebv4.

    That should be fixed now.

    digital man

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  • From Dan Clough@VERT to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 01:48:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Yes. It's supposed to be used for *quoted* text. Get it?

    Yes I did get it, happy now?

    Wow. I really don't think you do "get it".

    Here's another free etiquette tip - you're supposed to trim out
    (delete) other useless/extraneous lines, like origin lines and
    tear lines, and other signature-type stuff. You do that *before*
    you start writing your reply. Please. OK?



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  • From Anonymous Remailer (austria)@VERT to alt.bbs.synchronet on Thu Aug 29 11:27:36 2019
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet


    In article <5D6741DB.6742.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "Dan Clough" <dan.clough@1:123/115.remove-7s9-this> wrote:

    To: The Millionaire
    The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Yes. It's supposed to be used for *quoted* text. Get it?

    Yes I did get it, happy now?

    Wow. I really don't think you do "get it".

    Here's another free etiquette tip - you're supposed to trim out
    (delete) other useless/extraneous lines, like origin lines and
    tear lines, and other signature-type stuff. You do that *before*
    you start writing your reply. Please. OK?



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    Are you the net police?

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Anonymous Remailer (austria) on Thu Aug 29 10:17:57 2019
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D6741DB.6742.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "Dan Clough" <dan.clough@1:123/115.remove-7s9-this> wrote:

    Are you the net police?

    --- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110


    More like the Newsgroup Police. LOL! :-P

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 13:56:02 2019
    On 2019 Aug 27 18:08:30, you wrote to Alterego:

    Why is Pi so big now with bbses but not tablets?

    because the Pi is a small footprint, low power, device... it is roughly the size of a pack of cigs...

    I donΓÇÖt understand that one very well.

    one difference is because tablets are made to be carried around but a Pi is not... not unless you specifically put it in a case form that can be carried everywhere...

    i don't understand why someone would want to run a BBS on a tablet... that's like running a BBS on a phone... both are rather yuck IMHO and IMPO...

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 14:00:10 2019
    On 2019 Aug 27 19:06:24, you wrote to Digital Man:

    A tablet is designed to run when a user needs it, lighting up a
    bright display and touch screen. When the user doesn't need it, it
    goes into very low power modes. It's *not* a platform to be used for
    running a server/BBS.

    [trim irrelevent quoted shit]

    parallels access allows you to run windows on it.

    so what... a ford pinto can tow a boat but i wouldn't try to tow one for a long
    period of time... simply put, a tablet is just not the proper tool for the job... are you going to leave it plugged into power and running all the time??

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 14:09:32 2019
    On 2019 Aug 28 10:53:18, you wrote to The Millionaire:

    I hear jail breaking is risky though.

    Why are you typing a > in front of your replies?

    he's probably not... more likely there's a blank quoted line and he's not paying attention that he's putting his cursor there and considering what will happen when he types his reply...

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 14:12:02 2019
    On 2019 Aug 28 12:49:00, you wrote to Digital Man:


    Are you typing ">" in your reply text? That character is how we
    determine quoted text from your text, so you're defeating that
    purpose if you're adding those characters yourself.

    I will remove it from now on. It creates it automatically for me.

    what "creates it automatically for you"?? what editor are you using on which BBS?

    Is that better now?

    yes...

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 14:36:20 2019
    On 2019 Aug 28 15:55:26, you wrote to Nightfox:

    What is creating them automatically for you (what editor are you
    using)? Your message editor shouldn't automatically add " > " in front
    of text that you're writing in messages. The " > " is only for quoted
    text.

    Ecweb4 is creating them not me.

    what editor are you configured to use via the web interface... that would be the tool that is leaving a quoted blank line that you're typing on...

    )\/(ark

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 11:59:25 2019
    On 2019 Aug 28 15:55:26, you wrote to Nightfox:

    what editor are you configured to use via the web interface... that would be the tool that is leaving a quoted blank line that you're typing on...

    )\/(ark

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    I click on this square icon for reply a little box opens up and I start typing a message. I don't use an editor of any type.

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  • From Dan Clough@VERT to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 14:56:00 2019
    mark lewis wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    i don't understand why someone would want to run a BBS on a
    tablet... that's like running a BBS on a phone... both are rather
    yuck IMHO and IMPO...

    Agreed...

    But hey! My refrigerator is internet-capable. I'm thinking about
    trying to install the BBS on it.

    Another idea is to install it on the Ring doorbell so I can have
    videos of all incoming connections.



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  • From Dan Clough@VERT to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 14:59:00 2019
    mark lewis wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I hear jail breaking is risky though.

    Why are you typing a > in front of your replies?

    he's probably not... more likely there's a blank quoted line and
    he's not paying attention that he's putting his cursor there and considering what will happen when he types his reply...

    What??? "The Millionaire" not paying attention or not
    considering.... Who'd a thunk it?

    He used to be one of the best Sysops around, ya know.


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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Dan Clough on Thu Aug 29 13:49:50 2019
    What??? "The Millionaire" not paying attention or not
    considering.... Who'd a thunk it?

    He used to be one of the best Sysops around, ya know.

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    I still am one of the best sysops around and always will be till the day that I die. It's just everybody on Synchronet lately wants to Sysopbash me for some idiotic reason. Let me tell you this. What goes around comes around. It's called karma. Eventually everyone sooner or later hits that dead end street in their life. It's just a matter of when it will happen but you will least
    expect it when it does. When it rains it pours so make sure you carry an umbrella because you might get soaked to the skin. God always hurts those who hurts others. It's how it works in life.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Thu Aug 29 13:30:11 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 08:22 am

    For this reason, getting SBBS to work on the Pi would have been a
    fairly trivial (am I correct DM? ;) ), but getting it to run on an
    Android or iOS tablet would require a ground up port to those
    platforms in a different development environment.

    Are you sure about that? Android's base OS is Linux, so if you can
    get SSH access to your phone (might require rooting), I have a
    I don't count rooting and jailbreaking as part of an "easy" porting solution. They are not part of a standard, off the shelf mobile system, and in the case of jailbreaking, it's a PITA to maintain, because it has to be re-done every time the OS is updated.

    You said it would be a "ground up port". I was just saying I don't think it would have to be done from the ground up. And if all you want to do is run a BBS, you'd probably just have to jailbreak the device once and set up the BBS on it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Thu Aug 29 13:31:12 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 11:24 am

    I tried jailbreaking for a while, but found it a pain to keep up with, because each time there was an iOS update, you had to wait until a new jailbreak was released for the updated version, before you could update (and then jailbreak again).

    Yeah, I went through that when I had an iPod Touch. I suppose I didn't mind it so much though. I liked having an alternative source of apps to install on my device, and they had some apps that I thought were actually fairly good.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Thu Aug 29 13:32:52 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 11:32 am

    Setting up the screen power down delay can mitigate most of those issues, though a separate monitor does offer more flexibility. Either works fine.

    I have Windows on my desktop PC at home set up to turn off the screen power after 10 or 15 minutes, but sometimes I've noticed that doesn't happen.. I might leave my PC and come back after a couple hours or so and the screen is still on sometimes. I'm not sure if it's something with Windows or an app I'm running..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dan Clough on Thu Aug 29 13:44:26 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Dan Clough to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 09:48 pm

    Here's another free etiquette tip - you're supposed to trim out
    (delete) other useless/extraneous lines, like origin lines and
    tear lines, and other signature-type stuff. You do that *before*
    you start writing your reply. Please. OK?

    I have a feeling The Millionaire might be using editors that are set up to automatically quote the whole message, rather than an editor that lets you choose specifically which lines to quote.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Anonymous Remailer (austr on Thu Aug 29 13:46:00 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Anonymous Remailer (austria) to alt.bbs.synchronet on Thu Aug 29 2019 07:27 am

    Are you the net police?

    Who are you? Someone posting as "Anonymous Remailer" so we don't know your real alias?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 13:49:08 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: mark lewis to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 2019 09:56 am

    i don't understand why someone would want to run a BBS on a tablet... that's like running a BBS on a phone... both are rather yuck IMHO and IMPO...

    I don't see the big deal. If someone has a spare tablet they don't use anymore and want to make use of it, why not? Or maybe someone wants to run their BBS on an ultra-portable system for some reason.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 13:54:56 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Dan Clough to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 28 2019 09:48 pm

    I have a feeling The Millionaire might be using editors that are set up to automatically quote the whole message, rather than an editor that lets you choose specifically which lines to quote.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ¨ Synchronet ¨ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com


    I'm using the editor in ecweb4 nightfox.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 13:55:42 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: mark lewis to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:36 am

    Ecweb4 is creating them not me.

    what editor are you configured to use via the web interface... that would be the tool that is leaving a quoted blank line that you're typing on...

    ecwebv4 has its own built-in (HTML web-based) editor.. There aren't multiple editors you can configure for the ecweb interface.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 13:56:41 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 2019 07:59 am

    I click on this square icon for reply a little box opens up and I start typing a message. I don't use an editor of any type.

    That can still be considered an editor.. It's a web-based editor.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dan Clough on Thu Aug 29 13:57:46 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Dan Clough to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:59 am

    He used to be one of the best Sysops around, ya know.

    But probably not THE best. That would probably be MRO - He's God's gift to BBSing, after all. :P

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 14:29:03 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Dan Clough to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:59 am

    But probably not THE best. That would probably be MRO - He's God's gift to BBSing, after all. :P

    Nightfox

    ---
    ¨ Synchronet ¨ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com


    Wow! I thought DM would be on that list Nightfox. Looks not it seems. MRO is the best sysop in the whole world? Wow, the glass is sure half empty here from what I can see. All my users that were on my BBS before all had a great experience and said they wished dialup didn't come to a crashing halt.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 14:35:55 2019
    Wow! I thought DM would be on that list Nightfox. Looks not it seems. MRO is the best sysop in the whole world? Wow, the glass is sure half empty here from what I can see. All my users that were on my BBS before all had a great experience and said they wished dialup didn’t come to a crashing halt.

    $ The Millionaire $


    IMOO I think Digital Man is the best sysop not MRO.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 14:57:11 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:29 am

    But probably not THE best. That would probably be MRO - He's God's
    gift to BBSing, after all. :P

    Wow! I thought DM would be on that list Nightfox. Looks not it seems. MRO is the best sysop in the whole world? Wow, the glass is sure half empty here from what I can see. All my users that were on my BBS before all had a great experience and said they wished dialup didn't come to a crashing halt.

    That was a joke. One time MRO referred to himself (or perhaps someone else jokingly referred to him) as "God's gift to BBSing". I don't think you were using Dove-Net at the time to see that.

    On a serious side, Digital Man has indeed done a lot for BBSing. I think Synchronet is a great BBS package, and I appreciate all that it has to offer.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 15:35:26 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:29 am

    That was a joke. One time MRO referred to himself (or perhaps someone else jokingly referred to him) as "God's gift to BBSing". I don't think you were using Dove-Net at the time to see that.

    On a serious side, Digital Man has indeed done a lot for BBSing. I think Synchronet is a great BBS package, and I appreciate all that it has to offer.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ¨ Synchronet ¨ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com


    Well I have contributed to Synchronet as well as other BBSes in ways that I could. I did throw in some ideas as well for Synchronet to help shape what it has become today.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 18:31:18 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Nightfox to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 2019 09:49 am

    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: mark lewis to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 2019 09:56 am

    i don't understand why someone would want to run a BBS on a tablet... that's like running a BBS on a phone... both are rather yuck IMHO and IMPO...

    I don't see the big deal. If someone has a spare tablet they don't use anymore and want to make use of it, why not? Or maybe someone wants to run their BBS on an ultra-portable system for some reason.

    It's not a big deal, but it does seem like a lot of extra adversity to overcome for not much gain (a rPi is only about $35-50 after all). Reasons not run a server or a BBS on a mobile device (phone or tablet):
    1. Automatic low power/sleep modes
    2. WiFi Internet connection only
    3. Battery-life

    It might be fun as a technical exercise, but I don't see it as a particularly feasible one.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #32:
    FTS = FidoNet Technical Standard
    Norco, CA WX: 92.5°F, 42.0% humidity, 8 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Vertrauen ■ Home of Synchronet ■ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Thu Aug 29 18:51:13 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Nightfox to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 2019 09:49 am

    It's not a big deal, but it does seem like a lot of extra adversity to overcome for not much gain (a rPi is only about $35-50 after all). Reasons not run a server or a BBS on a mobile device (phone or tablet):
    1. Automatic low power/sleep modes
    2. WiFi Internet connection only
    3. Battery-life

    It might be fun as a technical exercise, but I don't see it as a particularly feasible one.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #32:
    FTS = FidoNet Technical Standard
    Norco, CA WX: 92.5øF, 42.0% humidity, 8 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs


    So you're saying now that using a Microsoft Surface Pro for a BBS would not
    be worth it as well?

    $ The Millionaire $

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Anonymous Remailer (austria)@VERT to alt.bbs.synchronet on Fri Aug 30 03:51:51 2019
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet


    In article <5D680148.41332.dove_sync@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    "Nightfox" <nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-kku-this> wrote:

    To: Anonymous Remailer (austr
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Anonymous Remailer (austria) to alt.bbs.synchronet on Thu Aug 29 2019 07:27 am

    Are you the net police?

    Who are you?

    I am the eggman
    They are the eggmen
    I am the walrus
    Goo goo g' joob.

    --- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110
    ■ Synchronet ■ Vertrauen ■ Home of Synchronet ■ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Anonymous Remailer (austria) on Thu Aug 29 18:56:58 2019
    Spammer. Nuke him.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 20:47:08 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Nightfox to Tony Langdon on Thu Aug 29 2019 09:32 am

    I have Windows on my desktop PC at home set up to turn off the screen power after 10 or 15 minutes, but sometimes I've noticed that doesn't happen.. I might leave my PC and come back after a couple hours or so and the screen is still on sometimes. I'm not sure if it's something with Windows or an app I running..



    remote access trojan
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 20:49:19 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:29 am

    But probably not THE best. That would probably be MRO - He's God's gift t BBSing, after all. :P


    thank you for your recognition, nightfox.


    MRO is
    the best sysop in the whole world?

    last time i checked i still was.

    Wow, the glass is sure half empty here fr
    what I can see. All my users that were on my BBS before all had a great

    i dont think you know what that expression means.
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 20:49:53 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:35 am

    IMOO I think Digital Man is the best sysop not MRO.


    Digital Man is currently the best bbs software developer, not the best sysop. ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 20:50:51 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:57 am

    But probably not THE best. That would probably be MRO - He's God's
    gift to BBSing, after all. :P

    That was a joke. One time MRO referred to himself (or perhaps someone else jokingly referred to him) as "God's gift to BBSing". I don't think you were using Dove-Net at the time to see that.


    i did that as a joke in my sig. i'm not sure if i used it on dovenet
    but i did it on zeronet. haters liked to talk shit about me so it's been brought up since then. that was many many years ago.
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 20:51:18 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 11:35 am

    Well I have contributed to Synchronet as well as other BBSes in ways that I could. I did throw in some ideas as well for Synchronet to help shape what i has become today.


    you certainly have given us many headaches.
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Thu Aug 29 19:16:07 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:35 am

    Digital Man is currently the best bbs software developer, not the best sysop. ---
    ¨ Synchronet ¨ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::


    Well I think Digital Man is the best sysop I've come across.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Thu Aug 29 19:19:41 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 11:35 am

    you certainly have given us many headaches.
    ---
    ¨ Synchronet ¨ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::


    And so have you. I'm on lots of Tylenol and have health problems because of you.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Digital Man@VERT to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 19:26:19 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Thu Aug 29 2019 02:51 pm


    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Nightfox to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 2019 09:49 am

    It's not a big deal, but it does seem like a lot of extra adversity to overcome for not much gain (a rPi is only about $35-50 after all). Reasons not run a server or a BBS on a mobile device (phone or tablet):
    1. Automatic low power/sleep modes
    2. WiFi Internet connection only
    3. Battery-life

    It might be fun as a technical exercise, but I don't see it as a particularly feasible one.

    So you're saying now that using a Microsoft Surface Pro for a BBS would not be worth it as well?

    I wouldn't choose it as a server platform, but it's not technically a tablet. It's a "convertable laptop", which is not exactly the same thing. And with it running Windows, you should have enough control over the power-saving features to make it work.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #54:
    Phreak = Telephone system hack[er]
    Norco, CA WX: 91.3°F, 43.0% humidity, 5 mph NE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Vertrauen ■ Home of Synchronet ■ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Thu Aug 29 19:38:01 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 02:31 pm

    I don't see the big deal. If someone has a spare tablet they don't
    use anymore and want to make use of it, why not? Or maybe someone
    wants to run their BBS on an ultra-portable system for some reason.

    It's not a big deal, but it does seem like a lot of extra adversity to overcome for not much gain (a rPi is only about $35-50 after all). Reasons not run a server or a BBS on a mobile device (phone or tablet):
    1. Automatic low power/sleep modes
    2. WiFi Internet connection only
    3. Battery-life

    It might be fun as a technical exercise, but I don't see it as a particularly feasible one.

    I think the issue with low power/sleep modes can be mitigated by changing the power settings in the OS. Windows lets you do that from the control panel; there's an included "high power" scheme, and you can also customize the current power scheme to not shut off the PC automatically. And as far as battery life, the machine could be left plugged into wall power so you wouldn't have to worry about the battery running out.

    As far as wifi, I have my BBS set up on wifi right now because I'm using powerline ethernet adapters between my BBS machine and my router, and wifi actually seems more reliable than the powerline ethernet adapters.

    A tablet might not be the best value money-wise to run a BBS on, but it's doable. Someone might have other things they want to do with the tablet too or some other reason they want to use a tablet.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dan Clough on Thu Aug 29 19:47:12 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Dan Clough to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:56 am

    Another idea is to install it on the Ring doorbell so I can have
    videos of all incoming connections.

    Yeah, but entering a message in morse code on the doorbell is going to annoy the dog.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 19:48:19 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Nightfox to Tony Langdon on Thu Aug 29 2019 09:32 am

    I have Windows on my desktop PC at home set up to turn off the screen power after 10 or 15 minutes, but sometimes I've noticed that doesn't happen.. I might leave my PC and come back after a couple hours or so and the screen is still on sometimes. I'm not sure if it's something with Windows or an app I'm running..


    When I run netRunner or Syncterm and leave it running, the screen won't blank.

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ realitycheckBBS -- http://realitycheckBBS.org
  • From Netsurge@VERT to mark lewis on Thu Aug 29 23:40:04 2019
    so what... a ford pinto can tow a boat but i wouldn't try to tow one for
    a long period of time... simply put, a tablet is just not the proper
    tool for the job.. . are you going to leave it plugged into power and running all the time??

    Parallels does not allow you to run Windows on an iPad, it makes a remote client that can connect back to a Mac which runs Parallels. He is making
    false statements.

    |15frank |08// |15netsurge
    |07disksh0p|08!|07bbs |08% |07bbs.diskshop.ca |08% |07mystic goodness |11SciNet |03ftn hq |08% |07https://diskshop.ca/scinet

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    * Origin: % disksh0p!bbs % bbs.diskshop.ca % SciNet ftn hq % (1:229/101)
    ■ Synchronet ■ Vertrauen ■ Home of Synchronet ■ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 22:29:20 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Thu Aug 29 2019 03:16 pm

    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 2019 10:35 am

    Digital Man is currently the best bbs software developer, not the best sys ---
    ¡ Synchronet ¡ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::


    Well I think Digital Man is the best sysop I've come across.


    well, he is very tolerant.
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 22:30:38 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to MRO on Thu Aug 29 2019 03:19 pm

    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 11:35 am

    you certainly have given us many headaches.
    And so have you. I'm on lots of Tylenol and have health problems because of you.



    you know my friend thinks i cursed his neighbor because he was bothering us and i said i wish he'd end up like stephen hawking.

    the guy was always staring at us and bothering us when we were working outside. i think he was racist.

    anyways, a year later they found out he has ALS.
    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ ::: BBSES.info - free BBS services :::
  • From Anonymous@VERT to alt.bbs.synchronet on Fri Aug 30 05:34:56 2019
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D684A2A.6809.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-skk-this> wrote:

    To: Anonymous Remailer (austria)
    Spammer. Nuke him.


    Yawn.

    --- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110
    ■ Synchronet ■ Vertrauen ■ Home of Synchronet ■ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Anonymous on Thu Aug 29 20:47:30 2019
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D684A2A.6809.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-skk-this> wrote:

    Yawn.

    --- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110



    I know who you are dude. I caught you in the act. Game over.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ---
    þ Synchronet þ Vertrauen þ Home of Synchronet þ [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net
  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Aug 30 13:07:00 2019
    On 08-29-19 09:30, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    You said it would be a "ground up port". I was just saying I don't
    think it would have to be done from the ground up. And if all you want
    to do is run a BBS, you'd probably just have to jailbreak the device
    once and set up the BBS on it.

    No, you don't jailbreak a device once, you jailbreak it EVERYTIME the OS is upgraded.

    Again, anything involving jailbreaking or rooting is not what I would consider a simple port.


    ... A jury -- twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
    --- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (3:633/410)
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Aug 30 13:07:00 2019
    On 08-29-19 09:31, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yeah, I went through that when I had an iPod Touch. I suppose I didn't mind it so much though. I liked having an alternative source of apps
    to install on my device, and they had some apps that I thought were actually fairly good.

    There were some apps I liked for jailbroken devices, but in the end I didn't consider it worth the hassle.


    ... Predestination was doomed from the start.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Aug 30 13:10:00 2019
    On 08-29-19 09:32, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 11:32 am

    Setting up the screen power down delay can mitigate most of those issues, though a separate monitor does offer more flexibility. Either works fine.

    I have Windows on my desktop PC at home set up to turn off the screen power after 10 or 15 minutes, but sometimes I've noticed that doesn't happen.. I might leave my PC and come back after a couple hours or so
    and the screen is still on sometimes. I'm not sure if it's something
    with Windows or an app I'm running..

    I think it's the app that has focus at the time. Certainly, if it's an audiovisual app (e.g. VLC), or a web browser on a media site, the screen won't go blank.


    ... Is man one of God's blunders or is god one of Man's blunders?
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to mark lewis on Fri Aug 30 13:55:00 2019
    -=> On 08-29-19 09:56, mark lewis wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    i don't understand why someone would want to run a BBS on a tablet... that's like running a BBS on a phone... both are rather yuck IMHO and IMPO...

    You _could_ run a BBS on a phone, in theory, but you would need some form of VPN to get a stable, public IP address to the phone. As a technical exercise, sure it can be done, but Why bother? A Pi is a much easier way to run a low powered BBS.


    ... A fool with a tool is a well-equipped fool
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Aug 30 13:59:00 2019
    On 08-29-19 09:44, Nightfox wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    I have a feeling The Millionaire might be using editors that are set up
    to automatically quote the whole message, rather than an editor that
    lets you choose specifically which lines to quote.

    I think there's a user interface issue here. I've had to be careful with general messaging on touch screen devices, and deleting extraneous stuff is also a pain on a touch screen - hold to bring up the selection tool, then resize the selection box, before deleting the text.

    I'm sure The Millionaire mentioned some accessibility issues, which is why he uses an iPad or other touch screen device. So we can cut him some slack there.
    At least he's now getting rid of the > at the start of quoted blank lines, so we can see what he's adding more easily.


    ... Where there's a will, there's a lawsuit.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Aug 29 20:59:16 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Aug 29 2019 03:48 pm

    I have Windows on my desktop PC at home set up to turn off the
    screen power after 10 or 15 minutes, but sometimes I've noticed that
    doesn't happen.. I might leave my PC and come back after a couple
    hours or so and the screen is still on sometimes. I'm not sure if
    it's something with Windows or an app I'm running..

    When I run netRunner or Syncterm and leave it running, the screen won't blank.

    I wondered if it might have to do with certain applications running. But it seems that even with the same apps running, sometimes the screen turns off and sometimes it stays on. I may have to do some more testing to see what might be causing it.

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 21:06:07 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Anonymous on Thu Aug 29 2019 04:47 pm

    Yawn.

    I know who you are dude. I caught you in the act. Game over.

    Who do you think it is?

    Nightfox

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com
  • From Nomen Nescio@VERT to alt.bbs.synchronet on Fri Aug 30 06:19:33 2019
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D686412.6844.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-8xd-this> wrote:

    To: Anonymous

    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D684A2A.6809.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-skk-this> wrote:

    Yawn.

    --- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110



    I know who you are dude. I caught you in the act. Game over.


    Hardly.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nomen Nescio on Thu Aug 29 21:35:03 2019
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D686412.6844.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-8xd-this> wrote:

    Hardly.

    --- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110

    When I post your private information then it will be hardly. Give it up. I have friends that are hackers and could shut you down in 5 mins.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nomen Nescio@VERT to alt.bbs.synchronet on Fri Aug 30 07:21:38 2019
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D686F37.6862.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-z1z-this> wrote:

    To: Nomen Nescio

    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D686412.6844.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-8xd-this> wrote:

    Hardly.

    --- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110

    When I post your private information then it will be hardly. Give it up. I have
    friends that are hackers and could shut you down in 5 mins.


    Go for it, and make a fool of yourself.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nomen Nescio on Thu Aug 29 22:31:38 2019
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D686F37.6862.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-z1z-this> wrote:

    Go for it, and make a fool of yourself.

    --- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110

    Ok I will then.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 30 01:02:24 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Anonymous on Thu Aug 29 2019 04:47 pm

    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D684A2A.6809.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-skk-this> wrote

    Yawn.

    --- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110



    I know who you are dude. I caught you in the act. Game over.


    backtrace him
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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to MRO on Thu Aug 29 23:14:06 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Anonymous on Thu Aug 29 2019 04:47 pm

    backtrace him
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    Oh that I will. That's for sure.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 23:22:44 2019
    I found an interesting read here:

    https://news.admin.net-abuse.email.narkive.com/4DPqbQzk/only-nomen-nescio-nobod y-dizum-com-is-anon-in-all-ways-at-all-times-x-no-archive

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 23:32:20 2019
    The sad thing is MRO is they're using Synchronet BBS updated to the latest software running on a windows 32 bit system for cyberstalking people. I wonder how DM feels about that one.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Thu Aug 29 23:59:05 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Fri Aug 30 2019 09:07 am

    You said it would be a "ground up port". I was just saying I don't
    think it would have to be done from the ground up. And if all you
    want to do is run a BBS, you'd probably just have to jailbreak the
    device once and set up the BBS on it.

    No, you don't jailbreak a device once, you jailbreak it EVERYTIME the OS is upgraded.

    Yes, I understand that. I was saying, though, that if you're just going to run a BBS on it, you may just need to jailbreak it once, and you might not need to upgrade it later.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nomen Nescio@VERT to alt.bbs.synchronet on Fri Aug 30 09:29:30 2019
    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D687C7A.6882.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-cp1-this> wrote:

    To: Nomen Nescio

    From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet

    In article <5D686F37.6862.sync@vert.synchro.net>
    "The Millionaire" <the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-z1z-this> wrote:

    Go for it, and make a fool of yourself.

    --- Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 NewsLink 1.110

    Ok I will then.


    This should be good. LOL

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 30 03:07:03 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to The Millionaire on Thu Aug 29 2019 07:32 pm

    The sad thing is MRO is they're using Synchronet BBS updated to the latest software running on a windows 32 bit system for cyberstalking people. I wond how DM feels about that one.


    who in the what now?
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 30 01:15:00 2019
    The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    It's not a big deal, but it does seem like a lot of extra adversity to overcome for not much gain (a rPi is only about $35-50 after all). Reasons not run a server or a BBS on a mobile device (phone or tablet):
    1. Automatic low power/sleep modes
    2. WiFi Internet connection only
    3. Battery-life

    It might be fun as a technical exercise, but I don't see it as a
    particularly
    feasible one.

    So you're saying now that using a Microsoft Surface Pro for a BBS
    would not be worth it as well?

    What does "not be worth it" actually mean? How do you define
    that? Really that phrase doesn't even make ANY sense. Really.



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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT to THE MILLIONAIRE on Thu Aug 29 20:21:00 2019
    I wanted to use Raspberry Pi but afraid I was going to get hungry and eat it

    I don't know much about a Raspberry Pi...but a pineapple upside down cheesecake sounds awfully good right now. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 30 06:19:24 2019
    On 2019 Aug 29 07:59:24, you wrote to me:

    what editor are you configured to use via the web interface... that would
    be the tool that is leaving a quoted blank line that you're typing on...

    [trim irrelevent quoted shit]

    I click on this square icon for reply a little box opens up and I start typing a message. I donΓÇÖt use an editor of any type.

    so you're saying you never logged into vert and configured which editor you wanted to use??? interesting...

    )\/(ark

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    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Aug 30 06:24:16 2019
    On 2019 Aug 29 09:44:26, you wrote to Dan Clough:

    Here's another free etiquette tip - you're supposed to trim out
    (delete) other useless/extraneous lines, like origin lines and tear
    lines, and other signature-type stuff. You do that *before* you start
    writing your reply. Please. OK?

    I have a feeling The Millionaire might be using editors that are set
    up to automatically quote the whole message, rather than an editor
    that lets you choose specifically which lines to quote.

    yeah, but they do not prevent the delete and/or backspace keys from working ;)

    i used to use edlin(!!) to write my messages with... yes, it could be painful but it was a very easy line editor to use back in the day :)

    )\/(ark

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    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
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  • From mark lewis@VERT to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 30 06:27:44 2019
    On 2019 Aug 29 10:29:02, you wrote to Nightfox:

    But probably not THE best. That would probably be MRO - He's God's gift
    to BBSing, after all. :P

    [chomp]

    Wow! I thought DM would be on that list Nightfox. Looks not it seems. MRO is the best sysop in the whole world?

    sarcasm, dude... sarcasm -=B-)

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 30 07:05:46 2019
    On 2019 Aug 29 19:32:20, you wrote to you:

    The sad thing is MRO is theyΓÇÖre using Synchronet BBS updated to the latest software running on a windows 32 bit system for cyberstalking people.

    how do you figure that??? remember, this area is gated to usenet (and other networks)... i rather doubt they are using a sync board for their muck... easier to just use usenet and play games over there...

    )\/(ark

    Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set
    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
    ... Where there's smoke there's pollution. - Neekha
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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Aug 30 22:20:00 2019
    On 08-29-19 19:59, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yes, I understand that. I was saying, though, that if you're just
    going to run a BBS on it, you may just need to jailbreak it once, and
    you might not need to upgrade it later.

    Maybe, though there's often security and other updates that may be an issue. But having to jailbreak in the first place is still a deal breaker, as far as I'm concerned. I have had supposedly good jailbreaks fail. No harm done, but the functionality wasn't opened up either.


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  • From Digital Man@VERT to mark lewis on Fri Aug 30 07:41:20 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: mark lewis to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 30 2019 02:19 am

    so you're saying you never logged into vert and configured which editor you wanted to use??? interesting...

    I think he's saying he's using a web interface, which does not provide an option of the editor.

    digital man

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Digital Man on Fri Aug 30 15:59:56 2019
    On 2019 Aug 30 03:41:20, you wrote to me:

    so you're saying you never logged into vert and configured which editor
    you wanted to use??? interesting...

    I think he's saying he's using a web interface, which does not provide
    an option of the editor.

    ahhh... for some reason, i was thinking that the web interfaces used the same editors as the terminals... just piped through the web code/proxy stuff...

    )\/(ark

    Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set
    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
    ... "Stamp out software hoarding" - Free Software Foundation
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to mark lewis on Fri Aug 30 13:08:08 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: mark lewis to Digital Man on Fri Aug 30 2019 11:59 am


    On 2019 Aug 30 03:41:20, you wrote to me:

    so you're saying you never logged into vert and configured which editor
    you wanted to use??? interesting...

    I think he's saying he's using a web interface, which does not provide an option of the editor.

    ahhh... for some reason, i was thinking that the web interfaces used the same editors as the terminals... just piped through the web code/proxy stuff...

    That's true if you use fTelnet, but not so if you use the actual dynamic-HTML that provide browser-access to the message areas (aka "forums").

    digital man

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  • From echicken to mark lewis on Fri Aug 30 16:16:32 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: mark lewis to Digital Man on Fri Aug 30 2019 11:59:56

    ahhh... for some reason, i was thinking that the web interfaces used the same
    editors as the terminals... just piped through the web code/proxy stuff...

    In a way that would be kind of cool, but ultimately pretty clunky.

    Right now, it's just an HTML textarea input. Nothing fancy at all.

    There are some things I would like to do to enhance it in the next version of the Forum. Small improvements to the quoting, maybe a fixed-width font and an 80-column ruler (no hard wrapping or anything, just a visual guide).

    I may also add a toggle for message viewing and composing to present a more BBS-like (black background, monospaced, colorized) display. While I think it's horribly cheesy to replicate the BBS look and feel on a website (just SSH in if that's what you want) there are some cases where messages should be viewed as intended.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Fri Aug 30 13:39:31 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to mark lewis on Fri Aug 30 2019 09:55 am

    You _could_ run a BBS on a phone, in theory, but you would need some form of VPN to get a stable, public IP address to the phone. As a technical exercise, sure it can be done, but Why bother? A Pi is a much easier way to run a low powered BBS.

    I don't think it would be good to run a BBS on an active phone that you're carrying around with you.. Cell phone signal strength varies depending on where you are, and in some cases you might not even have a signal. That would be annoying for users.. If you're going to run a BBS on a phone, I think you might as well use an old phone that's not activated anymore and leave it at home on your wifi. You could then set up your router's DHCP to always assign it the same IP address (based on its MAC address).

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to mark lewis on Fri Aug 30 13:56:16 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: mark lewis to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 30 2019 02:19 am

    I click on this square icon for reply a little box opens up and I
    start typing a message. I don't use an editor of any type.

    so you're saying you never logged into vert and configured which editor you wanted to use??? interesting...

    The editor configured for telnet sessions has no bearing on the web-based message editor when using the BBS's web site. They're two separate things.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 30 13:41:49 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Thu Aug 29 2019 02:51 pm

    So you're saying now that using a Microsoft Surface Pro for a BBS would not be worth it as well?

    Well, when you can buy an off-lease dual-core desktop PC with an 80 GB disk and 4 GB of RAM or a Raspberry Pi for less than the price of the Surface keyboard cover, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to mark lewis on Fri Aug 30 14:07:42 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: mark lewis to Nightfox on Fri Aug 30 2019 02:24 am

    i used to use edlin(!!) to write my messages with... yes, it could be painful but it was a very easy line editor to use back in the day :)

    EDLIN was always there, and it was great at walking people through config file edits on the phone. I worked for a retailer that used DOS point-of-sale terminals, and on more than one occasion had to walk a store manager with no computer skills into editing a typo out of a batch file.

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Digital Man on Fri Aug 30 19:13:10 2019
    On 2019 Aug 30 09:08:08, you wrote to me:

    ahhh... for some reason, i was thinking that the web interfaces used
    the same editors as the terminals... just piped through the web
    code/proxy stuff...

    That's true if you use fTelnet, but not so if you use the actual dynamic-HTML that provide browser-access to the message areas (aka "forums").

    ahhhh... i'm (still) using the runescape interface... i know that ftelnet does this but it has been a while since i wrote a reply via my web interface... i have written numerous ones in the past and thought fseditor was still my editor
    at that point... quite possibly a faulty neuron firing, though...

    )\/(ark

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    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
    ... I only want one thing, THE BEST!!!
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  • From mark lewis@VERT to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 30 19:22:50 2019
    On 2019 Aug 30 10:07:42, you wrote to me:

    i used to use edlin(!!) to write my messages with... yes, it could be
    painful but it was a very easy line editor to use back in the day :)

    EDLIN was always there, and it was great at walking people through
    config file edits on the phone. I worked for a retailer that used DOS point-of-sale terminals, and on more than one occasion had to walk a
    store manager with no computer skills into editing a typo out of a
    batch file.

    yup! BTDT^2 :)

    years ago i even scripted edlin to adjust the dropfiles on my BBS for certain door games... it was a beaut! then i moved to 4DOS and discovered its built-in file reading, editing, and writing capabilities... the game was on, then... when i moved to OS2/2 i brought 4DOS with me and continued on... over time i also added 4OS2 and was able to perform the same feats of majik on both sides of the system... bat/cmd files became scripted programs overnight -=B-)

    )\/(ark

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    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to mark lewis on Fri Aug 30 17:05:19 2019
    Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: mark lewis to Digital Man on Fri Aug 30 2019 03:13 pm

    That's true if you use fTelnet, but not so if you use the actual
    dynamic-HTML that provide browser-access to the message areas (aka
    "forums").

    ahhhh... i'm (still) using the runescape interface... i know that ftelnet does this but it has been a while since i wrote a reply via my web interface... i have written numerous ones in the past and thought fseditor was still my editor at that point... quite possibly a faulty neuron firing, though...

    The ecwebv4 interface also has its own HTML web-based message editor. And I don't think ftelnet is even enabled by default in ecwebv4 anymore. Last time I updated my ecwebv4, I had to enable ftelnet myself.

    And fseditor is only for telnet sessions, not for the web.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Sat Aug 31 15:16:00 2019
    On 08-30-19 09:39, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I don't think it would be good to run a BBS on an active phone that
    you're carrying around with you.. Cell phone signal strength varies depending on where you are, and in some cases you might not even have a signal. That would be annoying for users.. If you're going to run a
    BBS on a phone, I think you might as well use an old phone that's not activated anymore and leave it at home on your wifi. You could then
    set up your router's DHCP to always assign it the same IP address
    (based on its MAC address).

    Yeah, I tend to agree for the most part. It was more a case of "yeah maybe it can be done, but why bother?" (other than for the technical exercise). As for leaving a phone at home, well, I'd still go for a Pi, in that instance, so still a bit of "why bother?". :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to echicken on Sat Aug 31 15:43:00 2019
    On 08-30-19 12:16, echicken wrote to mark lewis <=-

    There are some things I would like to do to enhance it in the next
    version of the Forum. Small improvements to the quoting, maybe a fixed-width font and an 80-column ruler (no hard wrapping or anything, just a visual guide).

    Fixed width in editing could be useful, since that's how most users are going to see the messages.

    I may also add a toggle for message viewing and composing to present a more BBS-like (black background, monospaced, colorized) display. While
    I think it's horribly cheesy to replicate the BBS look and feel on a website (just SSH in if that's what you want) there are some cases
    where messages should be viewed as intended.

    Maybe an "ANSI viewing" mode, which would activate ANSI interpretation, fixed width font and an 80x24 or 25 reading window with a black background? I think viewing messages in a more "HTML native" way with proportional fonts and the colours of the overall theme works better on the web for most cases, but having the option for a more "BBS like" view could be handy for ANSI messages and ASCII text drawings.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Sat Aug 31 15:39:47 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Sat Aug 31 2019 11:16 am

    Yeah, I tend to agree for the most part. It was more a case of "yeah maybe it can be done, but why bother?" (other than for the technical exercise). As for leaving a phone at home, well, I'd still go for a Pi, in that instance, so still a bit of "why bother?". :)

    Some sysops seem to enjoy setting up a BBS on a Pi, so I guess why not? I actually wouldn't mind having a small low-power computer for my BBS, but I might opt for something like an Intel NUC or similar (though those are probably more expensive). I also run a couple other servers on my BBS machine too (including Plex media server), so it helps to have something that has enough processing power.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Sat Aug 31 15:49:35 2019
    Re: Re: Synchronet on a Pi
    By: Tony Langdon to echicken on Sat Aug 31 2019 11:43 am

    There are some things I would like to do to enhance it in the next
    version of the Forum. Small improvements to the quoting, maybe a
    fixed-width font and an 80-column ruler (no hard wrapping or
    anything, just a visual guide).

    Fixed width in editing could be useful, since that's how most users are going to see the messages.

    Lately, I've been under the impression that modern BBS software and offline readers can (or should be able to) wrap text according to the width of the window being used.

    Nightfox

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