* I'm on a MAC with Syncterm (1.0)
Howdy,where
I setup SSH into my BBS, which works well. However, I have a menu item
I telgate out to another SBBS environment - and I noticed some strangechars
on connection (which I'm guessing you are probing for a terminaltype).
Anyway, it guessed the wrong terminal and after logging on, screenrendering
was screwed up. IE:that I'm
* I'm on a MAC with Syncterm (1.0)
* I SSH into SBBS (terminal is fine).
* I choose a menu option to telgate to another SBBS - on connect some strange chars are shown. After logging in it has obviously guessed
a different terminal and everything is messed up. (EG: "D" for defaultis
rendered as a "B".)not
I also telgated into another BBS (Ezycom) - and on connection it did
detect ANSI.with
If I initially use telnet (instead of SSH) - I can hop to other BBSes
telgate just fine.
security issues ... anyway, telgate is just that, a telnet_gateway so if you ssh into a bbs and use the telgate door it will no longer be an ssh session. You could log onto another board and change your default
Re: Re: SSH session using telgatetelnet_gateway so
By: Mortifis to Alterego on Mon Dec 23 2019 01:42 pm
security issues ... anyway, telgate is just that, a
be anif you ssh into a bbs and use the telgate door it will no longer
defaultssh session. You could log onto another board and change your
I'm not intending to use telgate as an SSH session to an upstreamsystem.
My point was - when I login originally to my BBS via SSH, telgate's connection to an upstream system is messed up. Further leaving thatsystem
and returning to my BBS, my BBS session is messed up, so I have to logoff
and login again.me the
If I originally logged into my BBS via a telnet session, telgate's connection to an upstream system is NOT messed up.
So is this an issue with how SSH has been implemented? It seems to be
initialisation that SBBS is doing (and perhaps other BBSes) are doingon
connection are messing with the in place SSH session.
I think you answered your own question :-P AFAIK you cannot mix telnet and ssh connections, that is why when you ssh into your board and then telnet into another via telgate you are mixing the two, ergo the jumbled text/ansi it is neither a server or syncterm deficiency ... kinda like mixing apple juice with orange juice and wondering why it doesn't taste like either
Re: Re: SSH session using telgate
By: Mortifis to Alterego on Mon Dec 23 2019 07:32 pm
I think you answered your own question :-P AFAIK you cannot mix telnet and ssh connections, that is why when you ssh into your board and then telnet into another via telgate you are mixing the two, ergo the jumbled text/ansi it is neither a server or syncterm deficiency ... kinda like mixing apple juice with orange juice and wondering why it doesn't taste like either
Nah, I dont buy that.
There are 2 TCP sessions going on here - I dont see why the second TCP session should pollute the first. Just the same way web proxies work... ...deon
Re: Re: SSH session using telgate
By: Mortifis to Alterego on Mon Dec 23 2019 07:32 pm
I think you answered your own question :-P AFAIK you cannot mix telnet and ssh connections, that is why when you ssh into your board and then telnet into another via telgate you are mixing the two, ergo the jumbled text/ansi it is neither a server or syncterm deficiency ... kinda like mixing apple juice with orange juice and wondering why it doesn't taste like either
Nah, I dont buy that.
There are 2 TCP sessions going on here - I dont see why the second TCP session should pollute the first. Just the same way web proxies work...
it gave the IP address of my
BBS ... if DM had telgate as a door I could have telgate'd to another board it would have reported my IP address as Vertrauen ... that is the issue I ha with telgate.js ... just saying ...
Re: Re: SSH session using telgate
By: Mortifis to Alterego on Tue Dec 24 2019 02:06 pm
it gave the IP address of my
BBS ... if DM had telgate as a door I could have telgate'd to another board it would have reported my IP address as Vertrauen ... that is the issue I ha with telgate.js ... just saying ...
yeah, i have always said that telgate is an open door to abuse. it has happend in the past but luckily the sysops were observant and locked the offender out.
actually, my taking over datastream bbs after the sysop died is related to this happening. a guy would bounce off 3 or more boards this way and then go onto synchronet irc and say weird shit to deuce.
i reported the problem and it turned out ace died and his elderly mother and sister where trying to keep his system up and had no clue what to do.
Re: Re: SSH session using telgate
By: Mortifis to Alterego on Mon Dec 23 2019 01:42 pm
telnet_gateway sosecurity issues ... anyway, telgate is just that, a
be anif you ssh into a bbs and use the telgate door it will no longer
defaultssh session. You could log onto another board and change your
I'm not intending to use telgate as an SSH session to an upstreamsystem.
My point was - when I login originally to my BBS via SSH, telgate's connection to an upstream system is messed up. Further leaving thatsystem
and returning to my BBS, my BBS session is messed up, so I have to logoff
and login again.
If I originally logged into my BBS via a telnet session, telgate's connection to an upstream system is NOT messed up.
So is this an issue with how SSH has been implemented? It seems to beme the
initialisation that SBBS is doing (and perhaps other BBSes) are doingon
connection are messing with the in place SSH session.
I think you answered your own question :-P AFAIK you cannot mix telnet
and ssh connections, that is why when you ssh into your board and then telnet into another via telgate you are mixing the two, ergo the jumbled text/ansi it is neither a server or syncterm deficiency ... kinda like mixing apple juice with orange juice and wondering why it doesn't taste
like either
I have been experimenting with this issue and have been unable to reproduce what your are reporting. I SSH'd onto my board using Syncterm v1.1b, then telgate'd to a couple other boards via telgate.js and did not have any jumbled characters show up that you have reported ... my original
assumption about mixed protocols was incorrect. Which version of SyncTerm are you using and which SBBS version? there is a possibility it may be a latent issue with the old cryptlib ??
May I add an opinion also ... when one SSH's onto a board and then uses telgate.js to log onto another service, there is no encryption between those two points which seems to negate the intention of using SSH to begin with ... plus, the inherent "ip spoof'n" ... I made an SSH connection to
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