• Syncterm

    From Rick Smith@VERT to All on Mon May 18 22:45:01 2020
    Greetings,

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know of I thought I would
    ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I tried the alt-enter and it
    doesnt do anything, is there something I should have done specifically when building it?

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  • From Kris Mccabe@VERT to Rick Smith on Tue May 19 02:07:39 2020
    Not especially, no. Alt-Enter always works for me. I havn't posted the deb of 1.1rc4 yet on Reign of Fire BBS, But I did post the amd 64 .deb of 1.1rc3 yesterday if you are using a debian flavor of some sort. Otherwise, compiling from source should work just fine and always has for me. Weird!




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    RS: Greetings,

    RS: I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am getting
    RS: SBBS
    RS: going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know of I thought I would RS: ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I tried the alt-enter and it RS: doesnt do anything, is there something I should have done specifically
    RS: when
    RS: building it?

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    RS: Rick // Nitro

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Rick Smith on Tue May 19 02:10:39 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Rick Smith to All on Mon May 18 2020 06:45 pm

    Greetings,

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know of I thought I would ask here..

    Here's where you should ask SyncTERM related questions: https://sourceforge.net/projects/syncterm/

    How can I make it go fullscreen? I tried the alt-enter and it
    doesnt do anything, is there something I should have done specifically when building it?

    Usually, it's Alt-ENTER. But I suppose it may depend on what output mode you're using.


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  • From calcmandan@VERT/DIGDIST to Rick Smith on Tue May 19 09:45:00 2020
    Rick Smith wrote to All <=-

    Greetings,

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know of I thought
    I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I tried the
    alt-enter and it doesnt do anything, is there something I should have
    done specifically when building it?

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to calcmandan on Tue May 19 12:30:05 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: calcmandan to Rick Smith on Tue May 19 2020 05:45 am

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am
    getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know
    of I thought I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I
    tried the alt-enter and it doesnt do anything, is there something I
    should have done specifically when building it?

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen (not just a maximized Windows program).

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Tue May 19 15:42:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am
    getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know
    of I thought I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I
    tried the alt-enter and it doesnt do anything, is there something I
    should have done specifically when building it?

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen
    mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen
    (not just a maximized Windows program).

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.



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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Tue May 19 20:10:32 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: Nightfox to calcmandan on Tue May 19 2020 08:30 am

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am
    getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know
    of I thought I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen (not just a maximized Windows program).

    Alt-Enter is a Windows feature. Not sure if Linux has it. It's not Alt-Enter. Maybe it one of the function key shortcuts built in but I've never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    HusTler
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  • From Dennisk@VERT to HusTler on Wed May 20 15:40:36 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Tue May 19 2020 04:10 pm

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen (not just a maximized Windows program).

    Alt-Enter is a Windows feature. Not sure if Linux has it. It's not Alt-Enter.
    Maybe it one of the function key shortcuts built in but I've never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    HusTler
    havens.synchro.net:23

    Alt-Enter makes Syncterm fullscreen on my Linux boxes. Pretty sure it's a syncterm feature.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to HusTler on Wed May 20 00:37:00 2020
    HusTler wrote to Nightfox <=-

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen (not just a maximized Windows program).

    Alt-Enter is a Windows feature.

    Ummm, no. Works on Linux too.

    Not sure if Linux has it.

    It does.

    It's not Alt-Enter. Maybe it one of the function key shortcuts
    built in but I've never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    Strange. I've always had it on my Slackware machine(s).


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Tue May 19 23:41:28 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Tue May 19 2020 04:10 pm

    Alt-Enter is a Windows feature. Not sure if Linux has it. It's not Alt-Enter. Maybe it one of the function key shortcuts built in but I've never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    Gamgee said Alt-Enter does that for him in Linux..

    Nightfox

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  • From paulie420@VERT/PAULIE42 to Gamgee on Tue May 19 21:41:43 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Tue May 19 2020 11:42 am

    Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen
    mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen
    (not just a maximized Windows program).

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    Yea but not always... I remember I built SyncTerm on LinuxMint once and had this issue... gosh, I got it working - AND THEN Alt+Enter worked after.. but I can't remember what button I pressed or knob I turned, ya know.

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  • From calcmandan@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Wed May 20 08:56:00 2020
    Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am
    getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know
    of I thought I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I
    tried the alt-enter and it doesnt do anything, is there something I
    should have done specifically when building it?

    What do you mean by fullscreen?

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen
    mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen
    (not just a maximized Windows program).

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    I didn't know alt enter did that on linux. I use command line for 90% of my day and my terminal is almost always a full screen. You can setup the screen mode from the default 80x25 to something deeper, perhaps?

    I run it 80x50 to fully enjoy games like synchronet minesweeper.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to paulie420 on Wed May 20 11:56:00 2020
    paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen
    mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen
    (not just a maximized Windows program).

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    Yea but not always... I remember I built SyncTerm on LinuxMint
    once and had this issue... gosh, I got it working - AND THEN
    Alt+Enter worked after.. but I can't remember what button I
    pressed or knob I turned, ya know.

    Okay... I don't think there's anything to remember about it,
    probably. I've never seen it *NOT* work. Possibly building it
    from source helps, and that's how I've always done it.



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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to calcmandan on Wed May 20 11:59:00 2020
    calcmandan wrote to Gamgee <=-

    He mentioned alt-enter, so I would assume he means the fullscreen
    mode where the program takes over control of the whole screen
    (not just a maximized Windows program).

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    I didn't know alt enter did that on linux. I use command line for
    90% of my day and my terminal is almost always a full screen. You
    can setup the screen mode from the default 80x25 to something
    deeper, perhaps?

    Probably could, yes. I leave mine at 80x25 because I like the
    "old way" look that it provides. :-)


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  • From Rick Smith@VERT to Nightfox on Wed May 20 09:55:08 2020
    //Hello Nightfox, //

    On *5/19/2020* At *19:41:28* you replied to a post in *SYNCHRONET*
    from *HusTler* About *"Re: Syncterm"*.

    've
    never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    Gamgee said Alt-Enter does that for him in Linux..

    Here is the funny thing, it didnt work on my umbuntu machine I installed exact same build on my debian machine and it works just fine..


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  • From Kris Mccabe@VERT to Hustler on Wed May 20 13:37:47 2020
    H: Alt-Enter is a Windows feature. Not sure if Linux has it. It's not
    H: Alt-Enter. Maybe it one of the function key shortcuts built in but I've
    H: never had "full screen" on my lubuntu machine.

    H: HusTler
    H: havens.synchro.net:23

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    I can confirm with 100% certainty that Alt-Enter does bring SyncTERM fullscreen in Linux.

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  • From mark lewis@VERT to Kris Mccabe on Wed May 20 15:08:57 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: Kris Mccabe to Hustler on Wed May 20 2020 09:37:47


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  • From Ragnarok@VERT/DOCKSUD to Rick Smith on Wed May 20 17:20:44 2020
    El 18/5/20 a las 22:45, Rick Smith escribió:
    Greetings,

    I compiled and installed syncterm on my linux setup where I am getting SBBS going, since there is not a syncterm echo that I know of I thought I would ask here.. How can I make it go fullscreen? I tried the alt-enter and it doesnt do anything, is there something I should have done specifically when building it?

    I think that Deuce set X11 mode as default and i cannot switch to
    fullscreen also

    You can run in SDL mode:

    syncterm -iS

    then, you can use alt+enter to switch, and set the startup mode on
    Program Setting menu

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  • From Kris Mccabe@VERT to Mark Lewis on Thu May 21 01:05:40 2020
    ML: just so you know, you might want to change that vertical bar (aka pipe
    ML: symbol) or at least put a space after it... it is being interpreted as
    ML: valid pipe color codes on systems that do that sort of thing... as a
    ML: result, the first letter of each line (after the pipe) is being lost...


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  • From paulie420@VERT/PAULIE42 to Gamgee on Thu May 21 00:20:12 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: Gamgee to paulie420 on Wed May 20 2020 07:56 am

    paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    Okay... I don't think there's anything to remember about it,
    probably. I've never seen it *NOT* work. Possibly building it
    from source helps, and that's how I've always done it.

    Lol... listen I was on Mint or some starter distro... but I also built from source and on ONE of my installs as I was hopping around distros, the Alt+Enter thing didn't work...

    then, what i meant is... i can't remember what the oddity was in that build, but I did something that enabled or allowed the alt-enter to work. On that build...

    But I follow you and your logic is right. Just saying, that I had the issue once too... and while I couldn't give the OP the answer, I figured it out in the end.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT to paulie420 on Thu May 21 11:45:00 2020
    paulie420 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    That's what I understood it to mean also. Alt-Enter does exactly
    that here, on Linux.

    Okay... I don't think there's anything to remember about it,
    probably. I've never seen it *NOT* work. Possibly building it
    from source helps, and that's how I've always done it.

    Lol... listen I was on Mint or some starter distro... but I also
    built from source and on ONE of my installs as I was hopping
    around distros, the Alt+Enter thing didn't work...

    then, what i meant is... i can't remember what the oddity was in
    that build, but I did something that enabled or allowed the
    alt-enter to work. On that build...

    But I follow you and your logic is right. Just saying, that I had
    the issue once too... and while I couldn't give the OP the
    answer, I figured it out in the end.

    I saw a comment from someone else in this thread (can't remember
    who, now) - that gave a clue. I experimented some with my
    existing SyncTerm (version 1.1b BTW), and found this: It only
    seems to work when the video output mode (in Program Settings) is
    set to SDL. When I put mine into X11 mode, the Alt-Enter function
    no longer worked at all. Definitely works fine in SDL mode, which
    is what I normally run it in. Not sure of the technical reasons
    for this, but it's what I'm seeing here.



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Tue Aug 11 09:45:55 2020
    Would it be possible to compile Syncterm for IPadOS? That would be so cool.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Tue Aug 11 12:30:50 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 11 2020 05:45 am

    Would it be possible to compile Syncterm for IPadOS? That would be so cool.

    I think it would take a lot more than just a recompile. There would have to be iOS-specific things added, at least.

    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    Nightfox

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  • From ryan@VERT/MONTEREY to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 15:37:00 2020
    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    Actually I think iPadOS is its own thing now. But I haven't done any apple
    dev work so who knows.

    I do like BBSing on my iPad, for what it's worth...I've been using htmlterm
    on my BBS website to connect via wss. It works really well, I'm a big fan.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to ryan on Tue Aug 11 16:32:10 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: ryan to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 2020 11:37 am

    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    Actually I think iPadOS is its own thing now. But I haven't done any apple dev work so who knows.

    Ah, I didn't know.. But I thought they were trying to consolidate things so they didn't have so many different operating systems/platforms to support.

    I do like BBSing on my iPad, for what it's worth...I've been using htmlterm on my BBS website to connect via wss. It works really well, I'm a big fan.

    I've done some BBSing on mobile devices, but I like having a real keyboard to type on. I suppose if you had a bluetooth keyboard for a tablet, that could work okay.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 17:19:59 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 11 2020 05:45 am

    I think it would take a lot more than just a recompile. There would have to be iOS-specific things added, at least.

    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    Nightfox

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    This was taken from my iPad:

    iPad 13.6
    Your software is up to date.

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 17:20:59 2020
    iPadOS 13.6
    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to ryan on Tue Aug 11 17:23:24 2020
    Actually I think iPadOS is its own thing now. But I haven't done any apple dev work so who knows.

    I do like BBSing on my iPad, for what it's worth...I've been using htmlterm on my BBS website to connect via wss. It works really well, I'm a big fan.

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Wed Aug 12 22:47:00 2020
    On 08-11-20 08:30, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    The newer iPads do run iPadOS. There is such a thing.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tony Langdon on Wed Aug 12 12:49:52 2020
    Re: Re: Syncterm
    By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Aug 12 2020 06:47 pm

    And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

    The newer iPads do run iPadOS. There is such a thing.

    I see. I didn't know.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Wed Aug 12 12:59:38 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 2020 01:20 pm

    iPadOS 13.6

    I see. I didn't know they were calling it iPadOS.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Thu Aug 13 23:54:00 2020
    On 08-12-20 08:49, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    The newer iPads do run iPadOS. There is such a thing.

    I see. I didn't know.

    Yeah, only came out in the last year or so, IIRC.


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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 14 18:53:46 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 11 2020 05:45 am

    Would it be possible to compile Syncterm for IPadOS? That would be so cool.

    Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to get SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able to side-load it on a jailbroken device.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 17:24:33 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DaiTengu to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 14 2020 02:53 pm

    Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to get SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able to side-load it on a jailbroken device.

    I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

    Nightfox

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 21:04:53 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 2020 01:24 pm

    I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

    I think it's $99 per year to remain an active "apple developer" I don't think you can push updates to your app without it.

    DaiTengu

    ... A great deal of money is never enough once you have it.

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 19:56:33 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 2020 01:24 pm

    I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

    Somewhere in between. That's about what it costs to keep an active developer account with Apple.... That's right, kids, Apple charges the devs to develop for their platform. I mean, I guess technically Google does for the play store too, but last I checked that was only a $20 one time charge to register, and there's alternatives to the play store for android distribution.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 20:09:34 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 2020 05:04 pm

    I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the
    $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to
    pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

    I think it's $99 per year to remain an active "apple developer" I don't think you can push updates to your app without it.

    I suppose $99 per year isn't too bad if you make a lot of apps and make money on them. But for someone who is a casual developer who wants to develop an iOS app at home as sort of a hobby, it could be a bit discouraging to have to pay $99 per year to have their app in the app store, especially if they want their app to be free and also ad-free.

    In the late 80s and early 90s, or around there, I remember some software development tools being quite expensive. Then, Borland came out with some very good software development tools for DOS PCs that were fairly inexpensive. I think Microsoft caught on, because Microsoft made their Visual Studio fairly inexpensive for a while if you just wanted an individual language like Visual C++ or Visual Basic. I think Microsoft realized if they wanted a good software base for Windows for people to use, they needed to make the barrier to entry for software development fairly easy, which meant inexpensive software development tools. I think that helped with allowing a large selection of software for Windows to become available, thus helping Windows become more popular.

    However, some might also argue that there is also a lot of 'junk' software out there, and software with ads, malware, etc.. I suppose it can help to have a middle ground somewhere to help ensure a selection of quality software.

    Nightfox

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 22:02:26 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 2020 04:09 pm

    However, some might also argue that there is also a lot of 'junk' software out there, and software with ads, malware, etc.. I suppose it can help to have a middle ground somewhere to help ensure a selection of quality software.
    Nightfox

    Hmm, if only someone came up with a system where development tools were freely available, but there was some kind of central repository of some sort to install software from that served as a level of validation to keep the crap out. And if only this mystical environment could not only exist, but have some kind of easy to use command line to install software directly from these repositories.... if only. ;D
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Underminer on Fri Aug 14 22:32:30 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Underminer to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 2020 06:02 pm

    However, some might also argue that there is also a lot of 'junk'
    software out there, and software with ads, malware, etc.. I suppose
    it can help to have a middle ground somewhere to help ensure a
    selection of quality software.

    Hmm, if only someone came up with a system where development tools were freely available, but there was some kind of central repository of some sort to install software from that served as a level of validation to keep the crap out. And if only this mystical environment could not only exist, but have some kind of easy to use command line to install software directly from these repositories.... if only. ;D

    I suppose you're talking about Linux distros.. :P One thing I've found with that though, is that software in a distro's repository isn't always the most up to date. To get the latest version of something, sometimes you can add an additional source to your repository list and install it from there, but that's basically like going to a web site to download the software, so you're back at square 1.. I don't think the software repositories really make it a whole lot easier to install software, it's just a different source. I think it could be just as easy to look it up on the web, download a package from the web, and use a command (or GUI app if you prefer) to install the package. And if you already know the company or web site to get it from, then you can go right there. It's easy to go to the package manager and look it up there too - I just don't think a package manager makes it significantly easier, it's just a convenient place to look for software.

    Nightfox

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 03:04:10 2020
    Re: Syncterm
    By: Nightfox to Underminer on Fri Aug 14 2020 06:32 pm

    I suppose you're talking about Linux distros.. :P One thing I've found with that though, is that software in a distro's repository isn't always the most up to date. To get the latest version of something, sometimes you the package manager and look it up there too - I just don't think a package manager makes it significantly easier, it's just a convenient place to look for software.

    If you're talking about any single piece of software, and only the installation of the same, then a repository might not be significantly easier/better. When it comes to managing dependencies, updates, a system as a whole, and not having to necessarily vet each installation source - a repo is orders of magnitude easier to deal with. And in terms of whether a repo is the most up to date version of something - that tends to mainly come down to whether you have a rolling or release based distro. If you have the first, repos are generally up to date, if you have the latter it's usually the case of it having whatever version has been validated to work with all the other library versions in that repo.

    Decently maintained repos absolutely do the things we were talking about needing ;)
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  • From Utopian Galt@VERT/IUTOPIA to DaiTengu on Sat Aug 15 22:12:00 2020
    Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to get SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able
    to side-load

    Yea, millionare should of bought a surface or a macbook air.
  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Nightfox on Mon Aug 17 07:58:19 2020
    On 8/14/2020 1:24 PM, Nightfox wrote:
    Re: Syncterm
    By: DaiTengu to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 14 2020 02:53 pm

    Da> Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to get
    Da> SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able to
    Da> side-load it on a jailbroken device.

    I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

    Yes... Keep thinking that websockets + wasm builds may be a good
    migration strategy for BBSes... would allow for multi-bbs hosting on a
    single IP as well as not needing an installed client.

    No idea how hard it would be to pull the rendering engine out of
    synchronet with a wasm build target for integrating into a websocket
    client though, it's been something on the back of my mind, and would
    probably be best with an lgpl adjustment to the license for the built webassebly.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Underminer on Mon Aug 17 08:05:09 2020
    On 8/14/2020 10:04 PM, Underminer wrote:

    Decently maintained repos absolutely do the things we were talking about needing ;)

    For end-user desktop software flatpak+flathub is a decent option for
    most things. Though there's also snap and appimage. Of course if you
    want auto-updates they still fall a little short depending on your setup.

    MS has introduced their own (winget) based on a prominent open-source
    one (AppGet), there's also chocolatey, which is what I've mostly used
    and stuck to.

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