• Synchronet BBS with VPN

    From The Millionaire@VERT to Digital Man on Fri Oct 9 14:11:35 2020
    Do you need a VPN when running Synchronet BBS?

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  • From echicken to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 9 18:41:35 2020
    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Fri Oct 09 2020 10:11:35

    Do you need a VPN when running Synchronet BBS?

    Yes. It basically won't work without one. You might even want to consider *two* VPNs.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 9 15:16:39 2020
    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Fri Oct 09 2020 10:11 am

    Do you need a VPN when running Synchronet BBS?

    Why would you need a VPN to run Synchronet?

    Nightfox

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Oct 9 15:50:42 2020
    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Fri Oct 09 2020 10:11 am

    Why would you need a VPN to run Synchronet?

    Nightfox

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    For protectionism perhaps?

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to echicken on Fri Oct 9 15:52:01 2020
    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Fri Oct 09 2020 10:11:35

    Yes. It basically won't work without one. You might even want to consider *two* VPNs.

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    But three would be a charm don’t you think? LOL! :-P

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  • From Warp 4@VERT/WILDCAT to Nightfox on Fri Oct 9 19:03:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Do you need a VPN when running Synchronet BBS?

    Why would you need a VPN to run Synchronet?

    Well, for a while, I did. However, the VyprVPN service I subscribed to
    through Giganews provided routeable public IP addresses at each connect,
    so I could be behind a "walled garden" (ie like at a hotel) and still
    run the BBS over a public IP address after connecting to the VPN. I may
    have to go back to that setup when I have to revert to usin cellular
    broadband access.

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  • From Warp 4@VERT/WILDCAT to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 9 19:04:00 2020
    The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Fri Oct 09 2020 10:11 am

    Why would you need a VPN to run Synchronet?

    For protectionism perhaps?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Making up new words here? Keep in mind that the majority of VPN services provide non-routable IP addresses upon connecting to them, unless you find
    one that does provide this feature.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 9 17:06:52 2020
    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Fri Oct 09 2020 11:50 am

    Why would you need a VPN to run Synchronet?

    For protectionism perhaps?

    Against what? I suppose if you're hosting a lot of pirated files for download or have other traffic you want to hide from your ISP, you might want to run a VPN for your BBS. Otherwise, a VPN would make it look like your BBS is somewhere else, and I'm not sure why you'd want or need to do that.

    If you're just running a BBS for messages, online games, and the usual files sysops carry, I don't think there's any real reason to use a VPN for a BBS.
    Synchronet also supports SSH, but it seems most people would rather use telnet than SSH to log into a BBS..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to echicken on Fri Oct 9 17:08:02 2020
    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: echicken to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 09 2020 02:41 pm

    Do you need a VPN when running Synchronet BBS?

    Yes. It basically won't work without one. You might even want to consider *two* VPNs.

    Piggybacking at least one VPN on another VPN is probably the best option. In fact, make it VPNs all the way down.

    Nightfox

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  • From Altere@VERT/ATHEL to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 9 19:15:23 2020
    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Fri Oct 09 2020 10:11 am

    Do you need a VPN when running Synchronet BBS?

    Do you even know what a VPN is? If so, what makes you think you would "need" one to run Synchronet?

    -altere

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Nightfox on Fri Oct 9 18:06:29 2020
    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Fri Oct 09 2020 11:50 am

    Against what? I suppose if you're hosting a lot of pirated files for download or have other traffic you want to hide from your ISP, you might want to run a VPN for your BBS. Otherwise, a VPN would make it look like your BBS is somewhere else, and I'm not sure why you'd want or need to do that.

    If you're just running a BBS for messages, online games, and the usual files sysops carry, I don't think there's any real reason to use a VPN for a BBS. Synchronet also supports SSH, but it seems most people would rather use telnet than SSH to log into a BBS..

    Nightfox

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    Against Bots And Hackers.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Warp 4 on Fri Oct 9 17:55:48 2020
    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: Warp 4 to Nightfox on Fri Oct 09 2020 03:03 pm

    Why would you need a VPN to run Synchronet?

    Well, for a while, I did. However, the VyprVPN service I subscribed to through Giganews provided routeable public IP addresses at each connect, so I could be behind a "walled garden" (ie like at a hotel) and still
    run the BBS over a public IP address after connecting to the VPN. I may have to go back to that setup when I have to revert to usin cellular broadband access.

    So you wanted to make it look like your BBS was somewhere else?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to The Millionaire on Fri Oct 9 19:33:32 2020
    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Fri Oct 09 2020 02:06 pm

    Against what? I suppose if you're hosting a lot of pirated files for

    Against Bots And Hackers.

    I don't think running a VPN is going to protect your BBS against bots and hackers. Bots and hackers will still find your system.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 10 00:37:00 2020
    The Millionaire wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Why would you need a VPN to run Synchronet?

    For protectionism perhaps?

    Are you retarded, or just a natural-born moron?

    Parents were heavy drug users, maybe?



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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Gamgee on Fri Oct 9 23:56:50 2020
    Are you retarded, or just a natural-born moron?

    Parents were heavy drug users, maybe?

    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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    No I am a Robot. That information does not compute in my internal programming.

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 10 21:28:00 2020
    On 10-09-20 10:11, The Millionaire wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Do you need a VPN when running Synchronet BBS?

    Most people, no, but some do. I run a VPN to tunnel IPv4 addresses to the BBS, so the best answer is "usually no, but some specific cases may need a VPN to get a public IP to the BBS".


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Warp 4 on Sat Oct 10 21:29:00 2020
    On 10-09-20 15:04, Warp 4 wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Making up new words here? Keep in mind that the majority of VPN
    services provide non-routable IP addresses upon connecting to them,
    unless you find one that does provide this feature.

    Roll your own. But in my case, I joined a hobbyist networking club to get a VPN and a /28 routed to me.


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  • From Tony Langdon@VERT to Nightfox on Sat Oct 10 21:35:00 2020
    On 10-09-20 13:06, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    If you're just running a BBS for messages, online games, and the usual files sysops carry, I don't think there's any real reason to use a VPN
    for a BBS. Synchronet also supports SSH, but it seems most people would rather use telnet than SSH to log into a BBS..

    There are corner cases - I run a couple:

    1. I need more than 1 public IP, so I have a VPN routing a /28 from the networking club that I'm a member of.

    2. To avoid NAT timeouts. When I travel, I use ZeroTier, which is a virtual LAN, underneath the SSH connection back to the BBS. The reason I do this is because if I connect natively over IPv4, a NAT timeout usually kills the session, if I'm idle for more than several minutes. ZeroTier looks like an Ethernet LAN, so if there there is a NAT timeout, the connection on the VLAN won't see it. ZT will also recover if the underlying connection drops out, reconnects and gets a new IP.

    So yes, there are corner cases, where a VPN or similar tech can be used. :)


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  • From Warp 4@VERT/WILDCAT to Nightfox on Fri Oct 9 23:03:00 2020
    Nightfox wrote to Warp 4 <=-

    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: Warp 4 to Nightfox on Fri Oct 09 2020 03:03 pm

    Why would you need a VPN to run Synchronet?

    Well, for a while, I did. However, the VyprVPN service I subscribed to through Giganews provided routeable public IP addresses at each connect, so I could be behind a "walled garden" (ie like at a hotel) and still
    run the BBS over a public IP address after connecting to the VPN. I may have to go back to that setup when I have to revert to usin cellular broadband access.

    So you wanted to make it look like your BBS was somewhere else?

    No, I just wanted to make it accessible from outside my hotel's router
    since I did not have direct access to their cable modem.

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  • From Mortifis@VERT/EPHRAM to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 10 18:38:08 2020
    Are you retarded, or just a natural-born moron?

    Parents were heavy drug users, maybe?

    No I am a Robot. That information does not compute in my internal programming.

    $ The Millionaire $

    ... there is where I am happy to be a human ... I am fully aware and accept the fact that I am an asshole :)

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Mortifis on Sat Oct 10 15:17:22 2020
    ... there is where I am happy to be a human ... I am fully aware and accept the fact that I am an asshole :)

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    Well at least someone here admits it. :-)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Warp 4 on Sat Oct 10 15:20:36 2020
    Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: Warp 4 to Nightfox on Fri Oct 09 2020 07:03 pm

    So you wanted to make it look like your BBS was somewhere else?

    No, I just wanted to make it accessible from outside my hotel's router since I did not have direct access to their cable modem.

    Ah, that's a good point.. I've also heard about apartment complexes that provide internet to their residents - And in such cases, I imagine they have a router for the whole place that their residents don't have direct access to.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mortifis@VERT/EPHRAM to The Millionaire on Sat Oct 10 20:57:00 2020
    ... there is where I am happy to be a human ... I am fully aware and accept the fact that I am an asshole :)

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    Well at least someone here admits it. :-)

    $ The Millionaire $

    Ignorance is bliss; I have not lead a very blissful life ... more fun that way :)

    Happy is [he] who is not smart enough to know how stupid [he] really is.

    ~Mortifis

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  • From The Millionaire@VERT to Mortifis on Sun Oct 11 11:16:00 2020
    Ignorance is bliss; I have not lead a very blissful life ... more fun that way :)

    Happy is [he] who is not smart enough to know how stupid [he] really is.

    ~Mortifis

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    Here! Here! To that one. I didn’t lead a very blissful life either with being bullied in school for several years suffering a tremendous amount of stress and abuse which has caused me to be traumatized for life because of it. :-(

    $ The Millionaire $

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  • From Kurisu@VERT/FINALZON to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 11 15:14:25 2020
    Re: Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: The Millionaire to Mortifis on Sun Oct 11 2020 07:16 am

    Here! Here! To that one. I didn't lead a very blissful life either with being bullied in school for several years suffering a tremendous amount of stress and abuse which has caused me to be traumatized for life because of it. :-(

    Same experience and end result here. Damage done lasts a lifetime.

    Makes sense now why much of what you post, quite honestly, reminds me of myself.
    _____
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to The Millionaire on Sun Oct 11 15:06:40 2020
    Re: Re: Synchronet BBS with VPN
    By: The Millionaire to Mortifis on Sun Oct 11 2020 07:16 am

    Here! Here! To that one. I didn't lead a very blissful life either with bein bullied in school for several years suffering a tremendous amount of stress abuse which has caused me to be traumatized for life because of it. :-(

    $ The Millionaire $

    So now you're trying to get even by traumatizing Dovenet with your nonsense?

    ... Desperate diseases require desperate remedies.

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