On 04-27-19 07:16, Divarin wrote to All <=-
It seems kind of counter-intuitive to offer WWW and FTP access on a BBS
in this day and age but the thought occured to me when I was working on
my C64: With a wifi modem I can connect to BBSs but that's about it, trying to do web browsing or file downloads via FTP isn't an option.
Even if there are some utilities around to permit me to do that I'd
still like to be able to offer these services through my board.
On 04-27-19 07:16, Divarin wrote to All <=-
It seems kind of counter-intuitive to offer WWW and FTP access on a BBS in this day and age but the thought occured to me when I was working on my C64: With a wifi modem I can connect to BBSs but that's about it, trying to do web browsing or file downloads via FTP isn't an option. Even if there are some utilities around to permit me to do that I'd still like to be able to offer these services through my board.
Sounds like you need a Linux server to offer shell accounts instead of a BBS then you could use telnet over the wifi modem to access the Linux host and access WWW/FTP, and then use sz to download any files to the C64 as needed. Wonder if it's possible to have a "private shell" in a chroot jail to run as "door" on a Linux BBS, or some form of very restricted shell with access to only a single directory (different one per node) and access to ftp and lynx.
... That's just common courtesy ..... an uncommon commodity
On 05-02-19 05:42, Divarin wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Interesting idea I've been playing around with that. First I tried a
free shell account from sdf.org, then I tried connecting to a laptop I have which runs linux. I can get it work over a pc using either
syncterm or putty but as soon as I try either on the c64 it just says "CONNECT" followed by about 10 garbled characters. I suspect neither of these systems are willing to communicate at 2400 baud.
I could maybe find a way to have the BBS do the telnet but that would
mean any file transfers would go to the BBS and not the caller, or I
can try to find a way to configure the telnetd on this laptop to accept 2400 baud connections (if, indeed, that is the issue).
On 05-02-19 05:42, Divarin wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Interesting idea I've been playing around with that. First I tried aHow does the C64 connect? Are you using a telnet to serial adapter, or a real telnet client (hmm, can a C64 do IP?).
says "CONNECT" followed by about 10 garbled characters. I suspect
neither of these systems are willing to communicate at 2400 baud.
"2400 baud" has no meaning on a telnet link.
On 05-02-19 05:42, Divarin wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Interesting idea I've been playing around with that. First I tried a free shell account from sdf.org, then I tried connecting to a laptop I have which runs linux. I can get it work over a pc using either syncterm or putty but as soon as I try either on the c64 it just says "CONNECT" followed by about 10 garbled characters. I suspect neither of these systems are willing to communicate at 2400 baud.
I could maybe find a way to have the BBS do the telnet but that would mean any file transfers would go to the BBS and not the caller, or I can try to find a way to configure the telnetd on this laptop to accept 2400 baud connections (if, indeed, that is the issue).
How does the C64 connect? Are you using a telnet to serial adapter, or a re telnet client (hmm, can a C64 do IP?).
"2400 baud" has no meaning on a telnet link.
... We have phasers; I vote we blast 'em!
On 05-04-19 15:29, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
How does the C64 connect? Are you using a telnet to serial adapter, or a re telnet client (hmm, can a C64 do IP?).
"2400 baud" has no meaning on a telnet link.
... We have phasers; I vote we blast 'em!
Must be an adapter of some sort. The C64 doesn't have enough memory
for TCP/IP.
Must be an adapter of some sort. The C64 doesn't have enough memoryThat's what I thought.
for TCP/IP.
Why not? I'm using my C64 with Telnet... even has DNS support.
https://github.com/cc65/ip65
I have this one:
https://jammingsignal.com/commodore-wi-fi-modem/
Re: Re: BBS doors for WWW, FT
By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Sun May 05 2019 13:11:00
Must be an adapter of some sort. The C64 doesn't have enough memoryThat's what I thought.
for TCP/IP.
Why not? I'm using my C64 with Telnet... even has DNS support.
https://github.com/cc65/ip65
Ok, some solutions require a special nic but ok its an old system.
I have this one:
https://jammingsignal.com/commodore-wi-fi-modem/
HAWKEYE
- MASH BBS - http://mash4077.ddns.net:4077 - The Netherlands -
Re: Re: BBS doors for WWW, FT
By: Vk3jed to Moondog on Sun May 05 2019 13:11:00
Must be an adapter of some sort. The C64 doesn't have enough memoryThat's what I thought.
for TCP/IP.
Why not? I'm using my C64 with Telnet... even has DNS support.
https://github.com/cc65/ip65
Ok, some solutions require a special nic but ok its an old system.
I have this one:
https://jammingsignal.com/commodore-wi-fi-modem/
HAWKEYE
- MASH BBS - http://mash4077.ddns.net:4077 - The Netherlands -
Why?? Just to see if you can? I'd imagine anything would work if you spent enough money on it. No??
On 05-06-19 14:04, Hawkeye wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Must be an adapter of some sort. The C64 doesn't have enough memoryThat's what I thought.
for TCP/IP.
Why not? I'm using my C64 with Telnet... even has DNS support.
https://github.com/cc65/ip65
Why?? Just to see if you can? I'd imagine anything would work if you
spent enough money on it. No??
I have a retro collection and I like to see old machines using modern systems. I'm an infrastructure consultant. I like to play with old hardware to see it working. Indeed there is a big factor : Because it can... LOL...
The last product I bought is the cassopei v2.0 for 8 bit commodore computers which is working via the datasette port and giving C64 WiFi and a telnet program. Supporting these projects. I love it. I met the
Re: Re: BBS doors for WWW, FT
By: Hawkeye to Vk3jed on Mon May 06 2019 02:04 pm
Why not? I'm using my C64 with Telnet... even has DNS support.
https://github.com/cc65/ip65
I have this one:
https://jammingsignal.com/commodore-wi-fi-modem/
Why?? Just to see if you can? I'd imagine anything would work if you sp enough money on it. No??
Hustler
Just because one can sounds good to me. I'm kind of fascinated about the resourcefulness of the folks who still push the limits of what can be done with older hardware. I also enjoy the irony of retro pc's with peripherals that are several times more powerful or faster than the host hardware.
https://www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=WiModemOLED
I can telnet into BBS's with it but when I try to telnet to a linux terminal it just gives me about 10 or so garbled characters then nothing. I've also tried this on an old dos PC using a wifi232. On there as well I
Is it safe to assume the nic itself has memory or processing ability to handle the network stack?
scrolling terminals. How does the C64 with wifi handle ansi logon screens? Do you have a BBS up with the C64?
Just because one can sounds good to me. I'm kind of fascinated about the resourcefulness of the folks who still push the limits of what can be done with older hardware. I also enjoy the irony of retro pc's with peripherals that are several times more powerful or faster than the host hardware.
I feel the same way. I also think it would be cool to see a real land line connected to a modern telnet BBS (with Synchronet etc.) and have an older computer dial into it.
Re: Re: BBS doors for WWW, FT
By: Moondog to Hustler on Tue May 07 2019 09:18 am
Just because one can sounds good to me. I'm kind of fascinated about the resourcefulness of the folks who still push the limits of what can be done with older hardware. I also enjoy the irony of retro pc's with peripherals that are several times more powerful or faster than the host hardware.
I feel the same way. I also think it would be cool to see a real land line connected to a modern telnet BBS (with Synchronet etc.) and have an older computer dial into it.
Nightfox
Re: Re: BBS doors for WWW, FT
By: Divarin to Hawkeye on Mon May 06 2019 19:18:41
https://www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=WiModemOLED
I can telnet into BBS's with it but when I try to telnet to a linux terminal it just gives me about 10 or so garbled characters then nothin I've also tried this on an old dos PC using a wifi232. On there as well
Maybe play with the BAUD settings. Its stable here but I wish I had the BBS detecting the 40 columns, which it doesnt. Maybe I dont have the menu files so?
Re: Re: BBS doors for WWW, FT
By: Hustler to Hawkeye on Tue May 07 2019 10:07:33
scrolling terminals. How does the C64 with wifi handle ansi logon screens? Do you have a BBS up with the C64?
Slow indeed, 2400 is stable. I'm using it only as client. I want to have SBBS 3.17 working with 40 columns in the near future. I think I miss menu files after I saw the youtube video of SBBS. Have to check/fix this.
When I pulled my c64 down from the attic I hooked up the 1200 baud modem and connected to Cottonwood BBS which still hosts dialup as well as telnet. Worked fine, even over voip (a higher baud rate might have caused issues I dont' know) but now I use a wifi adapter to telnet into boards
I feel the same way. I also think it would be cool to see a real land line connected to a modern telnet BBS (with Synchronet etc.) and have an older computer dial into it.
Of course if he could find a telnet door that would let
BBS callers telnet out that would work as well.
@VIA: VERT/MASHBBS
@MSGID: <5CD2BBFA.6204.dove-general@mash4077.ddns.net>
@REPLY: <5CD19125.1017.dove-general@havens.synchronetbbs.org>
Re: Re: BBS doors for WWW, FT
By: Hustler to Hawkeye on Tue May 07 2019 10:07:33
scrolling terminals. How does the C64 with wifi handle ansi logon screens? Do you have a BBS up with the C64?
Slow indeed, 2400 is stable. I'm using it only as client. I want to
have SBBS 3.17 working with 40 columns in the near future. I think I
miss menu files after I saw the youtube video of SBBS. Have to
check/fix this. HAWKEYE
@VIA: VERT/DIGDIST
@MSGID: <5CD32C84.39664.dove_dove-gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
@REPLY: <5CD2CFA6.1340.dove-general@mutinybbs.com>
Re: Re: BBS doors for WWW, FT
By: Clover to Nightfox on Wed May 08 2019 08:46 am
When I pulled my c64 down from the attic I hooked up the 1200 baud modem and connected to Cottonwood BBS which still hosts dialup as well as telnet. Worked fine, even over voip (a higher baud rate might have caused issues I dont' know) but now I use a wifi adapter to telnet into boards
It seems weird that there isn't good enough land line service anymore
for things like higher baud rate modems..
is there something wrong with this capability that sbbs already offers? i'm pretty sure that telgate.js still exists and one can
easily use it like setting up an external door game...
*telgate some.telnet.bbs
Re: Re: BBS doors for WWW, FT
By: Clover to Nightfox on Wed May 08 2019 08:46:30
Of course if he could find a telnet door that would let
BBS callers telnet out that would work as well.
is there something wrong with this capability that sbbs already offers? i'm easily use it like setting up an external door game...
*telgate some.telnet.bbs
i'm not sure, without some further digging, how to specify a non-standard po from a sbbs system if the operator has set it up... ISTR that there was a de sbbslist... that menu used telgate.js and there was also something, maybe a weather underground's telnet weather service...
)\/(ark
Hmm actually I didn't know about that. it's not listed under services but no that I know about it I'll look into it, thanks :)Well so much for that. using telnet I was able to successfully direct to another BBS (battlestar) but when I put in sdf.org it would just sit there. eventually the error message "TELGATE ERROR 38" showed up on the synchronet log .
I think sometimes it can take awhile to get familiar with all the functionality that's bundled in with Synchro - I know I'm doing lots of wiki reading and whatnot to figure out the pieces that I feel I need to - and there's still gaps where one has to go back to the old docs and hope
On 05-08-19 13:33, Hawkeye wrote to Nightfox <=-
Problem is.. there are no landlines here anymore. All PSTN are gone.
Even ISDN is gone. Lot of old style solutions like security systems
using PSTN lines are now dependent of DSL which is not that secure and stable. HAWKEYE
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