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    TURMEL: TVA: Cannabis for everyone! with Ray Turmel + CBC on amnesty


    Du cannabis pour tout le monde
    Cannabis for everyone.

    TVA Gatineau-Ottawa
    October 17 at 7:04 PM .
    Pierre-Jean Sequin PJS

    Un militant pro-cannabis de la premiere heure, Raymond
    Turmel, a salue avec un joint, en ce 17 octobre, la
    legalisation du cannabis.
    Arrete pour production de cannabis dans les annees 90,
    Raymond Turmel a toujours cherche a contourner les lois pour
    arriver a ses fins.
    A Pro-cannabis activist since first days, Raymond
    Turmel, welcomed the legalization of cannabis on 17
    October with a joint.
    Arrested for cannabis production in the 90 s, Raymond
    Turmel has always sought to circumvent the laws to
    achieve his goals.

    PJS: Raymond Turmel accompanies us for a stroll in the
    woods. But this time, it's not to show us a pot plantation.

    RT: Well, it's legal for everyone. You've now made it into
    my world.

    PJS: Like many others, The great defender of access to
    cannabis savors the precise moment in these days in Canadian
    history when it set.

    RT: I'm happy for all of you, I'm happy for all the people.
    You won't be bothered any more, standing in a line-up for
    the cinema for smoking a joint, or in line before the hockey

    PJS: Ray Turmel is formal. Organized crime and less-
    organized crime will still continue to produce pot illegally
    because the government sells too expensively.

    RT: $226 for this (little baggie). Har har har har har har.

    PJS: It's exaggerated..

    RT: Of course, it's exaggerated. Yes, it's very exaggerated.

    PJS: In his opinion, those who hold permits to produce for
    medical purposes are the most privileged.

    RT: It's my medicine. I grew it... for me.

    PJS: But if I take the bag, take possession of the bag, it's
    not legal?

    RT: No, because the excise tax hasn't been paid.

    PJS: Besides his affirmations, the democratization of
    cannabis is applaudable according to him even if each
    territory will apply regulations of their own.

    RT: On one side of the track, it's okay, on the other side
    is not. Two small towns where it's different.

    PJS: A big step has been made with the legalization but the
    sexagenarian militant isn't finished his fight because the
    non-avowed aim of governments, according to him, is to
    enrich themselves off consumers.

    RT: It's not criminal. It's like the Excise Tax Act, you
    didn't pay your tax. This is the Cannabis Act, you didn't
    pay your tax. Get it? har har har har har har.

    JCT: From the CBC:

    Tens of thousands of Canadians could soon be eligible for a
    pot pardon, but lawyers warn about limitations

    John Paul Tasker . CBC News
    Oct 18, 2018 4:00 AM ET

    Advocates concerned cannabis pardon process could be too
    onerous for marginalized groups
    Reuters picture of Ray with his baggie and me (Mark Blinch/Reuters) https://i.cbc.ca/1.4832761.1537529405!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/deriva

    tives/16x9_780/medical-marijuana-activist-smokes-a-marijuana-cigarette.jpg Activist Ray Turmel holds a bag of medical marijuana while
    he smokes a marijuana cigarette. Pot proponents say past
    criminal records for cannabis possession should be expunged.

    The Liberal government's announcement that it will expedite
    the processing of pardons for people with minor cannabis-
    related criminal records is welcome news to tens of
    thousands of Canadians who have been convicted of possession

    JCT: I guess no pardon for Possession for the Purpose of
    Trafficking when I brought a life-sentence 7-pounds of
    marijuana to Prime Minister Chretien in 2003 won't qualify.

    And while the Parole Board of Canada might soon be inundated
    with record suspension requests - more than 500,000
    Canadians have a criminal record for having pot on their
    person, according to a 2014 study - advocates claim the
    Liberal plan might not go far enough to reverse decades of
    "historical injustice" from cannabis prohibition.

    JCT: Double and triple the number of those who were busted
    and bought their way out with a contribution to charity.

    The number of Canadians convicted of simple pot possession
    offences each year has been on the decline since Prime
    Minister Justin Trudeau announced his plan to legalize and
    regulate the drug.

    JCT: Not much of a decline for such a profitable piece of
    business for the shysters.

    His 2015 election victory all but assured a legal change -

    JCT: And he took his sweet time about it. Guess the adults
    wouldn't let junior move right away. 3 full years, not a
    quick delivery.

    and yet some 55,000 Canadians were arrested for cannabis-
    related offences in 2016 alone (of those 41,800 were for
    possession), according to Statistics Canada.

    JCT: About the same as every year. So 150,000 busts just in
    Justin's years. And how many since Pierre broke his promise
    to legalize 40 years ago.

    Even if one were to assume many of those arrests do not
    ultimately result in convictions, the number of Canadians
    with a criminal past for possession of the drug - one that
    is now legal - is still a staggering figure.

    JCT: Lawyers love the Trudeaus, that's for sure.

    Thus, the government's pledge to waive the steep fee for a
    record suspension (pardon) - it normally costs $631 - and do
    away with the standard waiting period (five years for a
    summary offence, 10 years for an indictable offence) could
    be a truly life-changing move for a sizeable minority of

    "I think today's a historic day. Canada is doing something
    monumental," Akwasi Owusu-Bempah, the director of research
    at Cannabis Amnesty, a not-for-profit that has fought for a
    solution for those with criminal records for cannabis
    possession, said in an interview on Wednesday.

    "It's fantastic to hear the government is recognizing the
    harms that have been done by criminalizing people," he said.

    JCT: Pardoning isn't recognizing the harms done.
    Compensating like some US States are doing would be.

    Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said the pardons will
    "shed the burden and stigma" and break down barriers to
    jobs, education, housing or volunteer work.

    JCT: Yes, it will, too bad there's no apology with it. Of
    course, they won't apologize to people who broke the law.

    A record suspension does not erase the fact someone
    committed a crime. Rather, it keeps the record separate from
    other criminal records in the Canadian Police Information
    Centre (CPIC) database.

    Lack of a pardon timeline problematic
    The government was light on details Wednesday - affirming
    only that the process would be free, and waiting periods
    would be eliminated - while promising legislation would soon
    be introduced in the House of Commons.

    JCT: Instead of just ordering them all expunged, everyone
    will have to fill out an application to be processed by a
    bureaucracy. Trudeau making employment for law clerks too.

    Michael Spratt, a prominent criminal defence lawyer in
    Ottawa, said the pardon pledge is a "step in the right
    direction" but the lack of a firm timeline is problematic.

    "It's a bit charitable to call it a plan. There's no
    legislation before Parliament and there aren't many
    details," Spratt said in an interview with CBC News.

    "A lot of things remain to be seen about how it's actually
    going to play out and, given the upcoming election, if it's
    going to play out at all."

    JCT: You can bet it's going to make more work for lawyers
    and clerks rather than just one big erasure.

    Liberal government to waive fee, waiting time for pot
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    A big question for Spratt is just how broad the government
    will "cast the pardon net," and he questions whether the
    application process will be open to people convicted of
    other offences or for people who have breached probation.

    With a standard processing time of 6-12 months for a record
    suspension, people with a history of cannabis convictions
    are still at least a year away from having some form of
    record relief.

    "A plan to deal with historic marijuana offences is
    something the government shouldn't have waited on. It's
    widely acknowledged the devastating harm that a criminal
    record can have and so every day we delay in correcting
    those injustices is a day too long," Spratt said.

    When asked why a bill was not already drafted and ready for
    introduction Wednesday - the legalization date has been
    known for months - Goodale said the government did not want
    to pursue such a regime until the 100-year-old prohibition
    of the drug was officially lifted.

    JCT: We didn't want to plan how to amend until we'd stopped
    harming people. And since we're still harming people...

    Pardons have limitations
    And despite the promise of having a record suppressed,
    criminal lawyers are warning that a pot pardon has its

    Firstly, it is not an expungement, which is another, far
    more robust form of record relief for people who have been
    convicted of a crime.

    An expungement goes one step further than a pardon,
    destroying all known government records of the offence.

    JCT: But Justin wants to keep you on record as a criminal.
    He's not going to apologize and admit you're not.

    When an expungement is ordered, the person convicted of the
    offence is deemed never to have been convicted of that
    offence in the first place. With a pardon, a person is still
    considered a past criminal and they would still have to
    check the "convicted of a criminal offence" box on an
    application for housing or employment.

    JCT: Get that. They won't expunge, they want to make you
    tick off "convicted of a criminal offence." for which
    Justin Mr. Apology isn't going to apologize.

    The government recently offered to expunge criminal records
    for LGBTQ people who were convicted of certain crimes that
    have now been deemed "historically unjust," with eligibility
    limited to three offences: gross indecency, buggery and anal

    JCT: You know where Justin's focus is.

    Owusu-Bempah said a similar expungement should be extended
    to people with a cannabis possession criminal history in
    large part because those laws were often applied
    disproportionately to Indigenous people and black Canadians.

    "I think historical injustices come in to play [with
    cannabis] as it was done with crimes of buggery. There were
    disparities across the country in the application of some of
    the law. Indigenous populations and black peoples have been
    saddled with the impact of a criminal record, the burden of
    a criminal record, when the drug has been widely used,"
    Owusu-Bempah said.

    Toronto man with pot convictions says a pardon isn't enough
    to clear his name
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    A spokesperson for Goodale said while there is no doubt
    "certain communities have been disproportionately affected"
    by the way cannabis laws have been enforced, "expungement is
    an extraordinary measure intended to be used when the
    injustice is inherent in the law itself, as was the case
    with the prohibition of sexual activity between same-sex
    partners, rather than a matter of how the law is enforced."

    And Justin and Goodale don't think criminalizing pot was an
    injustice since they pretend they think it was dangerous.

    Application process onerous for marginalized people
    Spratt said many of the people who have been hit with
    possession-related charges in recent years - even as police
    have slowed such activity - are overwhelmingly marginalized
    groups like racial minorities, people with prior records or
    mental health issues, and the poor.

    JCT: You can bet they're not busting the kids of the rich
    too often, or if they are, the convictions of the kids of
    the rich with expensive lawyers.

    "I've definitely seen a decrease in white, middle class
    university students who are facing these charges," he said.

    JCT: No kidding.

    Spratt said many disadvantaged people will have trouble
    fulfilling the "onerous" process required to apply for a
    pardon, including obtaining court records, procuring digital
    fingerprints and generally fulfilling all the other
    requirements of the 10-step process.

    "I don't think it would be unreasonable to just offer
    blanket expungements for those offences," Spratt said. "I'm
    worried the process ... might still have some
    disproportionate impacts on some of the very people you want
    to help."

    JCT: No way Justin's going to admit pot possession shouldn't
    have been criminal the way buggery shouldn't have been

    Spratt also noted the government said Wednesday a person has
    to complete their criminal sentence before applying for a
    pardon, which includes paying all fines and victim fine
    surcharges that might be associated with a conviction.

    "A $500 fine might be something that a more affluent person
    can easily pay but if you're living in poverty, and your
    drug record is preventing you from moving ahead in a pro-
    social way, it might be difficult to pay off those fine
    orders before the pardon is available," he said.

    JCT: As if silver-spooner Trudeau cares about the poor.

    Moreover, even if one is successful in securing a pardon, it
    does not mean it will make it easier to cross the Canada-
    U.S. border.

    No guarantees at U.S. border
    The U.S. Custom and Border Protection agency was clear
    Wednesday: the U.S. recognizes foreign convictions for
    something that would be a crime in their country, and it
    does not recognize foreign pardons.

    JCT: So not only do they ask you if you were charged, not
    convicted, you have to admit you were convicted but pardoned
    if they ask.

    Speaking in Buffalo, Richard Roberts, the CBP assistant
    director of border security, said Canadian pardons or
    "amnesty" are simply not considered under U.S. border
    admissibility law.

    JCT: But no way Justin's going to expunge your record.

    Watch as Public Safety Minister warns Canadians who use
    cannabis about issues at the U.S. border:

    "They could still be found inadmissible," he said. "Yes the
    law has changed [in Canada] but really, at the border, this
    is business as usual for us."

    But Goodale's office noted, in the case of the U.S. border,
    there might actually be an upside to government offering
    pardons rather than expungements for cannabis offences.

    "If the United States has a record of your expunged
    conviction and denies you entry, there will be no records to
    retrieve while seeking a waiver to enter the U.S.," a
    spokesperson said.

    JCT: What a sleazy response. We're not just going to lock
    them up so no one can use them against you, we're going to
    destroy them so you can't use them!!! Notice it's what the
    government will do that causes the problem. Yeah Justin.

    John Paul Tasker
    Parliamentary Bureau
    John Paul (J.P.) Tasker is a reporter in the CBC's

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