• Cuba / Florida

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Thu Oct 4 03:00:01 2018
    Hello Dale,

    What did we get in the western hemisphere a communist county less then
    80 miles off the coast of Florida.

    You do need to fact check your statements. Key West to Havana is just
    over 90 miles, and Key West is not the coast of Florida -- that is even
    further away.

    Wow! He made a *ten* mile mis-statement!

    No, because of his sloppy language, he was off by a factor of two. The closest point from the Florida coast to Cuba is Havana to the
    Everglades, which is more than twice what he claimed.

    The US had a policy of allowing Cubans who were able to make it
    to dry land to remain in the US, but those who were apprehended
    while on the water had to be returned to Cuba.

    This policy had been in effect for decades.

    US President Obama and Cuban President Castro struck a deal to
    normalize relations between our two respective countries.

    As part of normalizing relations with Cuba, President Obama
    did away with the dry land/wet land distinction. AFAIK.

    The question I have, is what is the Trump administration
    doing for Cubans who make it to this country? If they manage
    to swim here, arriving on dry land before they are apprehended,
    get to stay in the US? Or is it they are deported, along with
    those who never make it to dry land?

    OTOH, the Trump administration could simply allow those who
    never make it to dry land to drown, thus saving US taxpayers
    the cost of repatrioting them to Cuba.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thu Oct 4 03:00:21 2018
    Hello Alexander,

    For the USSR setting missiles in Cuba was the only way to
    make the US to remove its nuclear missiles from Turkey. Do
    the American textbooks tell about it? ;-)

    Lee Harvey Oswald told us all about it in New Orleans,
    Louisiana. Handed out pro-Cuba leaflets to passersby on Canal
    Street, near the International Trade Center. Not sure where he
    got the leaflets.
    Later, he moved on to Dallas, Texas. We all know what he did
    there.

    It happened because some people in the USA (and also Kennedy, unfortunately) had strange illusions about a high price of a human life
    in the US. He thought that a politician in the US could freely ride in
    the open car along the streets and wave his hand to the people. No, he can't, and none of them has done such a foolish thing since Kennedy killing. And the matter is not in Cuba.

    There is more to it than most people will ever know. Or want to know.
    Jim Garrison, the district attorney in New Orleans, put Clay Shaw on
    trial on charges of conspiracy in connection with the JFK assassination.
    His assistant district attorney was the one who did all the work, and
    knew all the details. After the trial (Shaw was acquitted) Garrison
    wrote a book, claiming it was a conspiracy, that a CIA operative had
    popped out of a manhole and shot JFK with a .45 caliber pistol.

    After the Clay Shaw trial, his assistant moved away from New Orleans
    and resettled in bayou country, and refused to say a word about what
    really happened. I used to run into him from time to time at a local restaurant. He was very open to talk about just about anything and
    everything. Except the JFK assassination.

    Finally the deal was reached.
    Thanks to the Democrat President's brother, RFK.

    Negotiation is the a very effective way to solve problems, especially between strong opponents. Although many obtuse American generals
    insisted on war then. It is good that a head of state was not an idiot
    as those generals. Yes, thanks to Kennedy.

    It takes people on both sides to negotiate in good faith in order
    for progress to be made. Without some amount of trust, no good can
    ever be expected to happen.

    War is a breakdown in negotiations. Actually, more like a breakdown
    in communications, not just negotiations. When neither side is willing
    to talk, or even to recognize the other side's very existence, bad
    things are bound to happen.

    Pakistan and India have fought four wars in the past few decades.
    The next one would most likely involve some kind of nuclear exchange.
    I cannot even imagine the amount of human lives lost, given the
    populations of those two countries.

    JFK and Kruschev realized that nuclear weapons needed to be controlled,
    and limited. Back then, only a small handful of countries had them.
    Today, even small countries have them. With many other countries
    able to make them.

    We should expand the START treaty, or the START II treaty, to include
    other countries besides the US and Russia. Buth US President Trump
    and Russian President Putin can set an example for the world, in this
    regard.

    So why not call for a summit, with World Peace in mind?

    After all, it is World Peace Day.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Oct 4 03:00:48 2018
    Hello Ward,

    Today, a federal judge who has been nominated to serve on the
    US Supreme Court is being smeared with allegations of sexual
    misconduct, as well as criminal acts. Whether the charges are
    true or not, his reputation is ruined forever.

    So how about Clarence Thomas ?

    He is married to a white woman.
    That got him 11 votes from Democrats.
    Otherwise, he would have lost his vote for confirmation.
    Final tally, 52-48.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Oct 4 03:01:04 2018
    Hello Greg,

    See how that works? The president nominates whoever he wants
    to put on the US Supreme Court. The Democrats sweep it under the
    rug. Only instead of one year, Democrats would get to do it for
    two years. Maybe six years. Perhaps forever ...

    Yes, I see exactly what is going on.
    The President nominates who he wants and then the Democrats try to destroy this person by a baseless smear campaign full of uncertainly creating a cloud
    of doubt.

    President Barack Obama (D-Kenya) nominated who he wanted to put
    on the USSC. The Republican Senate refused to even allow a hearing
    to be held. After the presidential election, when President Donald
    Trump (R-Russia) nominated who he wanted to put on the USSC, the
    Republican Senate immediately granted a hearing to be held, and
    wanted the full Senate to vote on confirmation immediately.

    Without a filibuster rule, this country becomes less of a
    democratic constitutional republic, and more of an autocracy.
    This would not be a good thing. For anybody.

    And yet, that is exactly what is happening today.

    A one-party state. Republican president nominates, a compliant
    Republican Senate gives its rubber stamp approval, and we are no
    better than the old USSR.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Oct 4 03:02:39 2018
    Hello Ward,

    [..]

    The USA is just like the British ... the Tories and the Commons. And you thought you kicked them out somewhere 1776 ...

    The USA does not have a king. Or a queen.
    The POTUS has both the powers of a president and a prime minister.
    The members of Congress are all idiots. Without exception.
    Okay. So are members of Parliament ...

    Oops.

    We are no longer a democratic constitutional republic.
    More like an autocracy. Possibly a kleptocracy.

    Be thankful you have royalty.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Oct 4 03:04:07 2018
    Hello Ward,

    The President nominates who he wants and then the Democrats GD>try to
    destroy this person by a baseless smear campaign full GD>of uncertainly creating a cloud of doubt.

    That's what you can expect in a 2-party system where 'winner takes all'
    and
    'compromise' is something unheard of.

    And whose fault is that? There is no mention of party in the
    US Constitution. George Washington was against the idea, and
    detested the idea. He nominated the first nine justices of
    the US Supreme Court, naming his friend John Marshal as chief
    justice. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson did not share
    Washington's view, and felt it was necessary for political
    parties to play a part. It was not until 1835 that the issue
    was settled, with the death of John Marshall.

    The US had a multiparty system up until Abraham Lincoln.
    He ran as a Republican for his first term, and won only because
    the Democrats split their vote between two candidates in the
    general election. He ran as a Union candidate for his second
    term, as the Republicans had turned radical. We all know
    what happened to Lincoln shortly after he won his second
    term.

    If there were a 3rd party and no absolute majorities, sides need to talk
    to
    each other and reach 'consensus'.

    The makeup of the Congress was multiparty up until the time
    of Abraham Lincoln. After Lincoln met his maker, a radical
    Republican Congress took over, doing whatever it wanted,
    with Lincoln's successor (Andrew Johnson) unable to stop them.

    This `consensus' of Republicans worked really well. For
    Republicans. Not so much for anybody else.

    When General Grant took over, he allowed the army to do
    whatever it wanted in the South. This action would have
    continued forever, even after General Grant retired, had
    it not been for Louisiana throwing the election to the
    Republican candidate in 1877 (in exchange for getting
    an agreement from General Grant to remove all federal
    troops).

    After that, both parties got along without any need for
    a third party. Until around WWI, when Professor Wilson
    was in charge. The only president in US history who had
    a PhD. And he knew exactly what to do to solve the
    problem - get the Senate to pass a rule allowing for
    a filibuster. That way, any bill the Senate could not
    agree on could never be agreed on. Therefore, no third
    party.

    The Donald has since solved the problem of having a two
    party state ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Oct 4 03:04:18 2018
    Hello Ward,

    Dems will find that they will be less and less significant, soon they
    will not be listened to at all, because the people in power will know
    what they are all about long before they open their mouth to speak.

    You know, I admire you for providing the undeniable proof you are without brain and are even proud at that.

    Next to Toto, Dorothy truly *loved* Scarecrow.

    --Lee

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Fri Oct 5 22:02:00 2018
    On 10-01-18, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    On 09-27-18 17:02, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Cuba / Florida <=-

    What did we get in the western hemisphere a communist county less then
    80 miles off the coast of Florida.


    You do need to fact check your statements. Key West to Havana is just DS>over 90 miles, and Key West is not the coast of Florida -- that is even DS>further away.


    Wow! He made a *ten* mile mis-statement!


    No, because of his sloppy language, he was off by a factor of two. The DS>closest point from the Florida coast to Cuba is Havana to the
    Everglades, which is more than twice what he claimed.


    He said "...less than 80.." you said "....90...."!


    Do the math!


    You nit-picked over about 10 miles! No wonder few people have good opinions about this zone!

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sat Oct 6 01:25:00 2018
    On 10-01-18, GREGORY DEYSS said to WARD DOSSCHE:


    You know, I admire you for providing the undeniable proof you are
    without brain and are even proud at that.


    Doubt me, insult me it does not matter. The undeniable proof you seek is GD>coming in November, it's not going to be what you were hoping for, but it GD>will confirm everything that I have above about Dems.


    I recently read somewhere that Nancy Pelosi was already picking out the curtains for the `Speakers' office.


    I got a funny feeling about this coming election. I think its not going to
    turn out the way some people are expecting.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Oct 7 15:26:38 2018
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 03.10.2018 22:00

    LL> JFK and Kruschev realized that nuclear weapons needed to be
    LL> controlled, and limited. Back then, only a small handful of
    LL> countries had them. Today, even small countries have them.
    LL> With many other countries able to make them.
    LL> We should expand the START treaty, or the START II treaty, to
    LL> include other countries besides the US and Russia. Buth US
    LL> President Trump and Russian President Putin can set an example
    LL> for the world, in this regard.
    LL> So why not call for a summit, with World Peace in mind?
    LL> After all, it is World Peace Day.

    In general, nuclear weapon is a weapon of defense. Only one country
    planed not once to use nuclear weapon first, to prevent others from
    getting nuclear weapon too, and you certainly know who.

    In my opinion, however, the fact that WW3 has not still happened after
    WW2 is due to nuclear weapon.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sun Oct 7 14:02:57 2018
    On 10/05/18, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

    On 10-01-18, GREGORY DEYSS said to WARD DOSSCHE:


    You know, I admire you for providing the undeniable proof you are without brain and are even proud at that.


    Doubt me, insult me it does not matter. The undeniable proof you seek i GD>coming in November, it's not going to be what you were hoping for, but GD>will confirm everything that I have above about Dems.


    I recently read somewhere that Nancy Pelosi was already picking out the curtains for the `Speakers' office.


    I got a funny feeling about this coming election. I think its not going
    to turn out the way some people are expecting.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall of which there is numerous to hear the conversation.

    Coordinator of interior affairs of (or some such important sounding title) "Nancy, there is a problem with those drapes that you ordered."
    Nancy - "What's the problem, I ordered them weeks ago. "
    Voices and footsteps can be heard outside of her office, getting louder as
    they approach closer, - door bursts open, it's the Donald.
    You're Fired! Get her outta here. :)

    . ______
    _()_||__||
    ( Gregory |
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854.1 to alexander koryagin on Sun Oct 7 22:40:17 2018
    In my opinion, however, the fact that WW3 has not still happened after WW2 is due to nuclear weapon.

    That's an interesting observation. You could be right.

    Ward
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Tim Richardson on Mon Oct 8 06:21:00 2018
    On 10-05-18 18:02, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Cuba / Florida <=-

    What did we get in the western hemisphere a communist county less then
    80 miles off the coast of Florida.


    You do need to fact check your statements. Key West to Havana is just
    over 90 miles, and Key West is not the coast of Florida -- that is even
    further away.

    Wow! He made a *ten* mile mis-statement!

    No, because of his sloppy language, he was off by a factor of two. The
    closest point from the Florida coast to Cuba is Havana to the
    Everglades, which is more than twice what he claimed.


    He said "...less than 80.." you said "....90...."!
    Do the math!

    You nit-picked over about 10 miles! No wonder few people have good opinions about this zone!

    Go back and read the exchange one more time -- this time with some comprehension for what was said.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Wed Oct 10 01:59:16 2018
    Hello Alexander,

    JFK and Kruschev realized that nuclear weapons needed to be
    controlled, and limited. Back then, only a small handful of
    countries had them. Today, even small countries have them.
    With many other countries able to make them.
    We should expand the START treaty, or the START II treaty, to
    include other countries besides the US and Russia. Buth US
    President Trump and Russian President Putin can set an example
    for the world, in this regard.
    So why not call for a summit, with World Peace in mind?
    After all, it is World Peace Day.

    In general, nuclear weapon is a weapon of defense.

    Defense? Against what? Other nuclear weapons? How many
    times does one side have to nuke the other before the entire
    world comes to an end? You do realize the war after WWIII
    will be fought with sticks and stones ...

    Only one country planed not once to use nuclear weapon first, to prevent others from getting nuclear weapon too, and you certainly know who.

    It was not one country that planned to do such things.
    Just one man - Harry S Truman.

    FDR had Stalin had a much different plan. They even discussed
    it, possibly along with Winston Churchill. The plan was for Russia
    to assist the US in defeating Japan after Germany was taken care
    of.

    Both the US and Russia had been trying to develop atomic weapons.
    It is not likely FDR would have authorized use of atomic bombs to
    defeat Japan. After the war, he most likely would have shared
    the knowledge with Stalin, as most historians believe the two of
    them had developed a personal friendship.

    The United Nations was a goal both FDR and Stalin wanted to see
    achieved. Churchill was also invited to play a part.

    Had FDR not died in office (April 1945) he likely would have
    been named the first "President of the World" when the United
    Nations came into existence. With Josef Stalin being next in
    line. Churchill enjoyed his scotch far more then politics,
    so probably would have remained home.

    In my opinion, however, the fact that WW3 has not still happened after WW2 is due to nuclear weapon.

    We will never know how close such a war never came. And just
    because it has not happened does not mean it never will.

    "The war to end all wars" (WWI) was supposed to be the last war
    mankind would ever fitht. "It will be over by Christmas" - or so
    people said. So much for predictions.

    WWI came to an end. Nobody could have predicted how short a time
    it would be before WWII.

    New START is in effect until 2021. Can be extended by 5 years,
    if both parties agree. Fewer nukes means a safer world for all.

    Nobody needs, or wants, a new arms race. Everybody loses in
    that scenario.

    --Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Oct 11 15:07:31 2018
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 09.10.2018 20:30

    LL>>> JFK and Kruschev realized that nuclear weapons needed to be
    LL>>> controlled, and limited. Back then, only a small handful of
    LL>>> countries had them. Today, even small countries have them. With
    LL>>> many other countries able to make them. We should expand the
    LL>>> START treaty, or the START II treaty, to include other countries
    LL>>> besides the US and Russia. Buth US President Trump and Russian
    LL>>> President Putin can set an example for the world, in this regard.
    LL>>> So why not call for a summit, with World Peace in mind? After
    LL>>> all, it is World Peace Day.

    ak>> In general, nuclear weapon is a weapon of defense.

    LL> Defense? Against what? Other nuclear weapons? How many times does
    LL> one side have to nuke the other before the entire world comes to an
    LL> end? You do realize the war after WWIII will be fought with sticks
    LL> and stones...

    Simply suppose, for instance, that the USSR would not have obtained
    nuclear weapon in 1949. In this case it would have been nuked and ruined
    by the USA. They feared Communism even more than the USSR itself. But
    the fear that the USSR could strike back, with nuclear weapon, always restrained the USA. That's why nuclear weapon is the weapon of defense.
    BTW, American nuclear scientists understood it well, and they passed
    many nuclear secrets to the USSR. It facilitated the USSR nuclear
    program strongly.

    ak>> Only one country planed not once to use nuclear weapon first, to
    ak>> prevent others from getting nuclear weapon too, and you certainly
    ak>> know who.

    LL> It was not one country that planned to do such things. Just one
    LL> man - Harry S Truman.

    And the USA generals. I don't think such a decision is made by one person.

    LL> FDR had Stalin had a much different plan. They even discussed it,
    LL> possibly along with Winston Churchill. The plan was for Russia to
    LL> assist the US in defeating Japan after Germany was taken care of.

    LL> Both the US and Russia had been trying to develop atomic weapons.
    LL> It is not likely FDR would have authorized use of atomic bombs to
    LL> defeat Japan. After the war, he most likely would have shared the
    LL> knowledge with Stalin, as most historians believe the two of them
    LL> had developed a personal friendship.

    Friendship means nothing. Hitler and Stalin were in good relations
    before 1941. Or take Churchill who also had good relations with Stalin
    but then delivered his Iron Curtain Speech in Fulton.

    <skipped>
    ak>> In my opinion, however, the fact that WW3 has not still happened
    ak>> after WW2 is due to nuclear weapon.

    LL> We will never know how close such a war never came. And just
    LL> because it has not happened does not mean it never will.

    Yes, with nuclear weapon on both sides it is unlikely.

    LL> "The war to end all wars" (WWI) was supposed to be the last war
    LL> mankind would ever fitht. "It will be over by Christmas" - or so
    LL> people said. So much for predictions.

    LL> WWI came to an end. Nobody could have predicted how short a time it
    LL> would be before WWII.

    LL> New START is in effect until 2021. Can be extended by 5 years, if
    LL> both parties agree. Fewer nukes means a safer world for all.

    The last sentence is very dubious. The USA wants the other countries not
    to have nuclear weapon only for one reason - the USA hates an idea of
    having dialog on equal terms, especially with small, weak countries.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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