• Dead mammoths, for you...

    From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Paul Quinn on Thu Nov 29 20:47:52 2018
    Hi, Paul Quinn : Alexander Koryagin!
    I read your message from 29.11.2018 15:25

    So you can point me out at the explanation of the ice period
    happened 20-10 thousand years ago?
    No, I can't.

    Siberian volcanoes, wasn't it. It's a notion that just bubbled to
    the surface brain nodules.

    This is what I almost half-remembered...

    http://theconversation.com/huge-crater-discovered-in-greenland-heres-how-the-impact-may-h ave-wiped-out-the-mammoths-107122

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    Analysis of the grains also shows that the impact was most likely made by an iron meteorite more than 1km wide. It would have occurred during the Pleistocene, between about 12,000 and 3m years ago.
    ----- The end of the citation -----

    The crater age is very obscure.
    Although many scientists have been searching for a long time for a catastrophic
    event that happened about 12000 years ago.

    Bye, Paul!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to alexander koryagin on Fri Nov 30 03:25:18 2018
    Hi! Alexander,

    On 29 Nov 18 20:35, I wrote to Ward:

    So you can point me out at the explanation of the ice period
    happened 20-10 thousand years ago?

    No, I can't.

    Siberian volcanoes, wasn't it. It's a notion that just bubbled to the surface brain nodules.

    This is what I almost half-remembered...

    http://theconversation.com/huge-crater-discovered-in-greenland-heres-how-the-impact-may-h ave-wiped-out-the-mammoths-107122

    (One liner. I don't do tiny itty-bitty links any longer.) Have fun!

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Thu Nov 29 19:51:23 2018
    This is what I almost half-remembered...

    Not exactly a Siberian volcano? 8-)

    Meteorites/asteroids and volcanoes sure have a severe impact on our climate,
    but that never lasts more than a human lifetime.

    What we have now is a continuous abuse of our atmosphere that so far has been going on for more than a century -- and there seems to be no end to it, it's even escalating exponentially. :(

    Such a catastrophic, long lasting destruction is absolutely unprecedented in
    Earth's history of life.



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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri Nov 30 04:51:41 2018
    Hi! Alexander,

    On 29 Nov 18 15:47, you wrote to me:

    http://theconversation.com/huge-crater-discovered-in-greenland-he
    res-how-the-impact-may-h ave-wiped-out-the-mammoths-107122

    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Analysis of the grains also shows that the impact was most likely made
    by an iron meteorite more than 1km wide. It would have occurred during
    the Pleistocene, between about 12,000 and 3m years ago.
    ----- The end of the citation -----

    The crater age is very obscure.
    Although many scientists have been searching for a long time for a catastrophic event that happened about 12000 years ago.

    I have seen other research papers and 'dig' reports suggesting that durimg those times (20-10 thousand years ago), the demise of the mammoth seemed to be a 'sure thing'. Skeletal remains show incredible size variations the further back in time, as digs go deeper. The older animals are much larger.

    Bone analyses are showing essential mineral degradation in younger specimens. It would appear that something was lacking in their diet or some pressure on their evolutionary survival prevented them from acquiring said nutrition, or, they were subject to a human hunting predomiance (an upsurge in hunting activity) as other non-linked studies suggest.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri Nov 30 17:11:34 2018
    Hi! Alexander,

    On 29 Nov 18 15:47, you wrote to me:

    Although many scientists have been searching for a long time for a catastrophic event that happened about 12000 years ago.

    For your viewing pleasure...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgX9P3WU_xU

    Please note the warning comments from the TEDx people. I normally use the speaker's documentaries as an opportunity to feast on popcorn, and then fall into a food-induced coma (i.e. a sleeping pill thing). This one had me fully awake and attentive. Sometimes amateurs get somethings correct, by accident.

    I warn you to accept its evidence, perhaps, and recommend this one to you for a
    one-time look (I have a local copy of the shorter version in my library stash).

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Paul Quinn on Fri Nov 30 15:09:50 2018
    Hi, Paul Quinn!
    I read your message from 30.11.2018 05:11

    Although many scientists have been searching for a long time for a
    catastrophic event that happened about 12000 years ago.

    For your viewing pleasure...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgX9P3WU_xU

    Please note the warning comments from the TEDx people. I normally
    use the speaker's documentaries as an opportunity to feast on
    popcorn, and then fall into a food-induced coma (i.e. a sleeping
    pill thing). This one had me fully awake and attentive. Sometimes
    amateurs get somethings correct, by accident.

    I warn you to accept its evidence, perhaps, and recommend this one
    to you for a one-time look (I have a local copy of the shorter
    version in my library stash).


    Of course I don't take it seriously -- because there too many theories. Take another one from me: (c) ;=)

    The theory how Earth climate has been changing.

    The facts: the Mammoth died quickly, on the shores of the Arctic Ocean we find many sings that here climate was much warmer.
    But in Russian East Siberia permafrost is as deep as 1.5 kilometers(!). If we count how much time is needed to froze the soil so deep we will get millions of
    years. BTW, permafrost could not be deeper than 1.5 km because there is a natural Earth heat deep inside and permafrost melted.

    All this shows clearly that quite recently the Earth changed sharply the angle of its rotation axis. Before this event the North Pole was, for many millions of years, located in Eastern Siberia - that's why we have so terrific permafrost here now.

    But the former South pole was in the Atlantic ocean near Argentina and before today the warm ocean waters had melted its [also multi-million age] permafrost completely. But because of this process the Earth ocean waters became colder, so did the Earth climate.

    Since then the ocean waters have been becoming warmer and warmer. As the indicator of the process, every thousand of years the sea level increases approximately by 1 meters. And we will see this process for a long, long time. It means that a natural temperature for the Earth is higher than we have now. And finally we will arrive to this temperature.

    Bye, Paul!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fidonews 2018

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Alexander Koryagin on Sat Dec 1 00:19:57 2018
    Hi! Alexander,

    On 30 Nov 18 10:09, you wrote to me:

    East Siberia permafrost is as deep as 1.5 kilometers(!). If we count
    how much time is needed to froze the soil so deep we will get millions
    of years. BTW, permafrost could not be deeper than 1.5 km because
    there is a natural Earth heat deep inside and permafrost melted.

    I did not know the depth factor. I've seen video of defrosting Siberian permafrost and also Alaskan/Canadian permafrost that have alarmed me. The footage seemed to target 'creek' sites where none should be, and at those places the sides are approxiamtely 30-50 meters deep to meet the outflowing waters. If it wasn't for the science assistants actually in the creeks, it would otherwise be difficult to judge the depth of the banks.

    Unfortunately, the permafrost melt is a double-hit with reports of the melted biomass releasing greenhouse gases more harmful than carbon-dioxide, along with
    the release of 'fresh' water to water systems, and into the oceans. Nasty. And I have not seen reports of any permafrost being renewed. Most perturbing.

    Since then the ocean waters have been becoming warmer and warmer. As
    the indicator of the process, every thousand of years the sea level increases approximately by 1 meters. And we will see this process for
    a long, long time. It means that a natural temperature for the Earth
    is higher than we have now. And finally we will arrive to this temperature.

    In a way it's comforting to see those figures. This town's height is just under 9 meters. My eldest daughter has also viewed the videos and has already agreed to move to an alternate town/city. My other girl is already in an ideal
    place, except for the pollution factor (can't win).

    Thank you. Have fun!

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Paul Quinn on Fri Nov 30 16:28:15 2018
    Hi Paul,

    On 2018-11-30 19:19:57, you wrote to Alexander Koryagin:

    In a way it's comforting to see those figures. This town's height is
    just under 9 meters.

    That's plenty, I'm at -3... ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Dec 1 01:44:17 2018
    Hi! Wilfred,

    On 30 Nov 18 11:28, you wrote to me:

    This town's height is just under 9 meters.

    That's plenty, I'm at -3... ;)

    Do you have a continual sore neck to deal with? :-P

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Paul Quinn on Fri Nov 30 17:13:58 2018
    Hi Paul,

    On 2018-11-30 20:44:17, you wrote to me:

    This town's height is just under 9 meters.

    That's plenty, I'm at -3... ;)

    Do you have a continual sore neck to deal with? :-P

    Not so much. My living room is on the second floor (US), so I only have wet feet, most of the time. ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Paul Quinn on Sat Dec 1 16:37:04 2018
    Hi, Paul Quinn!
    I read your message from 30.11.2018 12:19

    East Siberia permafrost is as deep as 1.5 kilometers(!). If we
    count how much time is needed to froze the soil so deep we will
    get millions of years. BTW, permafrost could not be deeper than
    1.5 km because there is a natural Earth heat deep inside and
    permafrost melted.

    I did not know the depth factor. I've seen video of defrosting
    Siberian permafrost and also Alaskan/Canadian permafrost that have
    alarmed me. The footage seemed to target 'creek' sites where none
    should be, and at those places the sides are approxiamtely 30-50
    meters deep to meet the outflowing waters. If it wasn't for the
    science assistants actually in the creeks, it would otherwise be
    difficult to judge the depth of the banks.

    I only want to repeat, we should understand - only millions of years of heavy frost could make permafrost to be as deep as it is in Eastern Siberia. There was a very long time when a constant heavy frost, around the year, was natural for Eastern Siberia. Now the natural climate of the area had changed. And inevitably, all the permafrost of Eastern Siberia MUST melt in future with human help or without. Because it is unnatural in the present state of things.

    Unfortunately, the permafrost melt is a double-hit with reports of
    the melted biomass releasing greenhouse gases more harmful than carbon-dioxide, along with the release of 'fresh' water to water
    systems, and into the oceans. Nasty. And I have not seen reports of
    any permafrost being renewed. Most perturbing.

    IMHO, it is exaggeration to say that all permafrost in Siberia consists of frozen organic. Only a few meters in the worst case.

    Since then the ocean waters have been becoming warmer and warmer.
    As the indicator of the process, every thousand of years the sea
    level increases approximately by 1 meters. And we will see this
    process for a long, long time. It means that a natural temperature
    for the Earth is higher than we have now. And finally we will
    arrive to this temperature.

    In a way it's comforting to see those figures. This town's height
    is just under 9 meters. My eldest daughter has also viewed the
    videos and has already agreed to move to an alternate town/city. My
    other girl is already in an ideal place, except for the pollution
    factor (can't win).

    After all people can build floating cities. ;-)

    Bye, Paul!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fidonews 2018

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Alexander Koryagin on Sun Dec 2 00:51:37 2018
    Hi! Alexander,

    On 01 Dec 18 11:37, you wrote to me:

    After all people can build floating cities. ;-)

    Man-made floating things... boats & ships tend to sink a lot, historically. Wouldn't it be better to live in submarine cities? They can't sink any further. ;)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Paul Quinn on Mon Dec 3 01:34:20 2018
    Hi, Paul Quinn!
    I read your message from 01.12.2018 12:51

    After all people can build floating cities. ;-)

    Man-made floating things... boats & ships tend to sink a lot, historically. Wouldn't it be better to live in submarine cities?
    They can't sink any further. ;-)

    You mean a submarine cannot sink? What they do, in English, when water rushes inside? ;-)

    I think floating things safer, especially when they consists of thousands of watertight compartments. If I design such a town I would made it from big laced
    steel platforms, and every platform is surrounded by thousands of watertight cisterns. Every cistern has a limited time service and can be replaced.

    Bye, Paul!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fidonews 2018

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Alexander Koryagin on Mon Dec 3 17:37:56 2018
    Hi! Alexander,

    On 02 Dec 18 20:34, you wrote to me:

    You mean a submarine cannot sink? What they do, in English, when water rushes inside? ;-)

    Ah, a diving boat. Yes. My apologies. I used the word in its literal sense: under (sub) + sea (marine). On reflection, I should have avoided any confusion and said "under sea"... cities. I was naughty,

    I think floating things safer, especially when they consists of
    thousands of watertight compartments. If I design such a town I would
    made it from big laced steel platforms, and every platform is
    surrounded by thousands of watertight cisterns. Every cistern has a limited time service and can be replaced.

    Mmm... that sounds familiar. Is that how bridge foundations are formed?

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Paul Quinn on Mon Dec 3 17:48:02 2018
    Hi, Paul Quinn : Alexander Koryagin!
    I read your message from 03.12.2018 05:37

    You mean a submarine cannot sink? What they do, in English, when
    water rushes inside? ;-)

    Ah, a diving boat. Yes. My apologies. I used the word in its
    literal sense: under (sub) + sea (marine). On reflection, I should
    have avoided any confusion and said "under sea"... cities. I was
    naughty,

    Do you think that an undersea city is differ than a submarine if we speak about
    water rushing into them? No, no, living under water is more dangerous than floating on water. In addition, an undersea city has another peculiarity - it cannot rise from the sea bottom at all. ;-)

    I think floating things safer, especially when they consists of
    thousands of watertight compartments. If I design such a town I
    would made it from big laced steel platforms, and every platform
    is surrounded by thousands of watertight cisterns. Every cistern
    has a limited time service and can be replaced.

    Mmm... that sounds familiar. Is that how bridge foundations are
    formed?

    IMHO the most close comparison is a pontoon bridge.

    Bye, Paul!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fidonews 2018

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