• Re: Tunnels

    From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jan 24 14:29:57 2019
    Whatever goes over the wall, goes by drone. Unstoppable.
    Tunnels are a thing from the past.

    Not really. Do a Google search on drug tunnel discovered and you will
    find many links to news articles on tunnels from Mexico to USA. Most recent discovery listed there was discovered on January 12, 2019. A
    number of others in the last quarter of 2018.

    Did so and you are correct.

    Nevertheless I stand by my statement they are a thing of the past already and will or are already being replaced by drones.

    It is known that most drugs enter the US via official ports of entry using very
    visible means. And whatever's being caught doesn't have any effect because the smugglers already factor-in a certain percentage due to losses to the DEA.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jan 24 07:20:04 2019
    On 01-23-19 07:56, Ward Dossche <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Those damn Euro socia <=-

    Whatever goes over the wall, goes by drone. Unstoppable.
    Tunnels are a thing from the past.

    Not really. Do a Google search on drug tunnel discovered and you will
    find many links to news articles on tunnels from Mexico to USA. Most
    recent discovery listed there was discovered on January 12, 2019. A
    number of others in the last quarter of 2018.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jan 25 06:58:00 2019
    On 01-24-19 09:29, Ward Dossche <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Tunnels <=-


    It is known that most drugs enter the US via official ports
    of entry using very visible means. And whatever's being
    caught doesn't have any effect because the smugglers
    already factor-in a certain percentage due to losses to the
    DEA.

    I saw a report recently that some drug smugglers are building a one-way submarine, good only for one trip, at a cost of one million dollars --
    just for the purpose of smuggling drugs into USA.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Fri Jan 25 17:35:17 2019
    I saw a report recently that some drug smugglers are building a one-way submarine, good only for one trip, at a cost of one million dollars -- just for the purpose of smuggling drugs into USA.

    Just wait until the Chinese find a market for them, and they'll be available
    at eBay for a few hundred dollars. 8-)



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Fri Jan 25 19:15:17 2019
    I saw a report recently that some drug smugglers are building a
    one-way
    submarine, good only for one trip, at a cost of one million dollars -- BF>DS> just for the purpose of smuggling drugs into USA.

    Just wait until the Chinese find a market for them, and they'll be available at eBay for a few hundred dollars. 8-)

    Boeing has the answer ...

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2019/01/23/...
    ...boeing-autonomous-air-vehicle-orig.cnn-business

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jan 26 02:25:15 2019
    On 25 Jan 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 01-24-19 09:29, Ward Dossche <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Tunnels <=-


    It is known that most drugs enter the US via official ports
    of entry using very visible means. And whatever's being
    caught doesn't have any effect because the smugglers
    already factor-in a certain percentage due to losses to the
    DEA.

    I saw a report recently that some drug smugglers are building a one-way submarine, good only for one trip, at a cost of one million dollars -- just for the purpose of smuggling drugs into USA.

    Yeah? and I have a bridge I could sell you in Brooklyn, New York.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jan 26 11:50:36 2019
    Yeah? and I have a bridge I could sell you in Brooklyn, New York.

    There's also a 2100km long wall that proved to ineffective almost a millennium ago when the Mongolians raided China.

    How come the best you can come up with, governing your country, can be so blatantly ignorant on human history? Do you only learn the history of your own county (no, that's not missing an R)?





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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Sat Jan 26 12:06:19 2019
    There's also a 2100km long wall that proved to ineffective almost a millennium ago when the Mongolians raided China.

    How come the best you can come up with, governing your country, can
    be so blatantly ignorant on human history? Do you only learn the history of your own county (no, that's not missing an R)?

    I am not the one who is in a socialist country.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sat Jan 26 21:17:37 2019
    Hello Björn,

    Yeah? and I have a bridge I could sell you in Brooklyn, New York.

    There's also a 2100km long wall that proved to ineffective almost a millennium ago when the Mongolians raided China.

    Who says the wall was built to keep Mongolians out of China?
    More likely it was built to keep Chinese in.
    Just like Berlin. The only way to keep Germans from escaping
    to Germany was to keep them penned in. Understand?

    How come the best you can come up with, governing your country, can be so blatantly ignorant on human history? Do you only learn the history of your own county (no, that's not missing an R)?

    Donald John Trump's real name in German is Donald Johann Drumpf.
    Each name has six letters - 666.
    That should tell you something.

    Ronald Wilson Reagan - six letters in each name - 666.

    Therefore, Donald Trump is the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan.

    See how smart I am?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jan 26 21:17:45 2019
    Hello Greg,

    It is known that most drugs enter the US via official ports
    of entry using very visible means. And whatever's being
    caught doesn't have any effect because the smugglers
    already factor-in a certain percentage due to losses to the
    DEA.

    I saw a report recently that some drug smugglers are building a
    one-way
    submarine, good only for one trip, at a cost of one million dollars
    --
    just for the purpose of smuggling drugs into USA.

    Yeah? and I have a bridge I could sell you in Brooklyn, New York.

    I have a bridge I could sell you in New Orleans.
    But you'd better buy it fast before it is underwater.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jan 26 21:18:06 2019
    Hello Greg,

    There's also a 2100km long wall that proved to ineffective almost
    a
    millennium ago when the Mongolians raided China.

    How come the best you can come up with, governing your country,
    can
    be so blatantly ignorant on human history? Do you only learn the
    history
    of your own county (no, that's not missing an R)?

    I am not the one who is in a socialist country.

    Trump's welfare for the rich program was enacted when he first
    took office. You do remember those tax cuts and who benefits the
    most? Yeah. We do live in a welfare state. And the rich love
    it.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jan 26 22:19:30 2019
    I am not the one who is in a socialist country.

    That's your loss, only you'll never understand it.



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jan 26 07:21:00 2019
    On 01-25-19 21:25, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Tunnels <=-

    I saw a report recently that some drug smugglers are building a one-way submarine, good only for one trip, at a cost of one million dollars -- just for the purpose of smuggling drugs into USA.

    Yeah? and I have a bridge I could sell you in Brooklyn, New York.

    While your statement is fake news, the fact of drug smuggler submarines
    is not. You could have checked that out yourself via a simple google
    which turns up a number of articles. Here is a link to one of the more informative

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a19731049/submarines-cocaine-smuggling/

    or

    https://tinyurl.com/drug-sub2

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jan 27 07:18:46 2019
    https://tinyurl.com/drug-sub2

    Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

    On the same site I also found this:

    http://tinyurl.com/yac29ru7

    Something for the Trump to consider?


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Mon Jan 28 12:31:13 2019
    On 26 Jan 2019, Björn Felten said the following...

    I am not the one who is in a socialist country.

    That's your loss, only you'll never understand it.

    A socialist country can not hold a candle to the United States.
    All that free stuff one gets in a socialist country, it's really not free,
    you pay one way or the other.

    How much is a gallon of gas (Petrol)

    Sweden's high prices can be attributed to its desire and aim to be free of fossil fuel use by 2020, making it the first nation to be free of oil in the world. Renewable sources are being continuously searched and tapped, and it now accounts for around half of the country's total energy requirements. Carbon taxes are being levied on fuel use, though special concessions are given to industrial users. No tax, however, is charged on generation of electricity and on renewable sources. The $8.70 per gallon price reflects a significant 30-cent increase from the previous year.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jan 28 12:47:14 2019
    On 26 Jan 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 01-25-19 21:25, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Tunnels <=-

    I saw a report recently that some drug smugglers are building a one-w submarine, good only for one trip, at a cost of one million dollars - just for the purpose of smuggling drugs into USA.

    Yeah? and I have a bridge I could sell you in Brooklyn, New York.

    While your statement is fake news, the fact of drug smuggler submarines
    is not. You could have checked that out yourself via a simple google which turns up a number of articles. Here is a link to one of the more informative

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a19731049/subma -cocaine-smuggling/

    It is apparent that the U.S. has to do more to stop this, stop sending
    money to foreign countries that abuse us for example. Then we could develop
    new technologies to further stop or intercept this drug traffic.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Jan 28 19:14:27 2019
    A socialist country can not hold a candle to the United States.

    Your definition, Greg, of Socialism isn't the same as ours.

    Your definition for example of "liberals" is totally different than ours. The Democratic party from our viewpoint is not liberql but still conservative to the right with the GOP still being further to the right. The USA has no political parties in the center and certainly nothing progressive to the left.

    All that free stuff one gets in a socialist country, it's really not
    free, you pay one way or the other.

    Sure. And the problem with that is "what" ?

    No tax, however, is charged on generation of electricity and
    on renewable sources. The $8.70 per gallon price reflects a significant 30-cent increase from the previous year.

    Yes. Again, the problem is "what"?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Jan 28 19:40:36 2019
    Sweden's high prices can be attributed to its desire and aim to be free of fossil fuel use by 2020, making it the first nation to be free of oil in the world.

    And that's a bad thing according to you? How many kids do you have?

    Renewable sources are being continuously searched and tapped, and
    it now
    accounts for around half of the country's total energy requirements.

    You are badly informed. The Swedish hydroelectric plants can easily supply the entire country with electricity if our industry just bothered to do a Elon Musk and get their own supply.

    No tax, however, is charged on generation of
    electricity and on renewable sources.

    Once again wrong. But even if it wasn't your usual Fake News, how many people do you think that we should?

    The $8.70 per gallon price reflects a significant
    30-cent increase from the previous year.

    LOL! Well, I don't want to bother translating that to real measurements (what gallon are you talking about for instance?), I know for sure that last time I filled up my car it cost me about 13SEK per litre, and it's been around there for the last couple of years.

    ....later...

    OK so I bothered. It's always interesting to see how far off the Fake News always is:

    According to Google, $8.70 per gallon (US I assume) translates to almost SEK21 per litre. Or EUR2 per litre. Can any of our EU friends say that they are
    even remotely near that level?




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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Bj”rn Felten on Mon Jan 28 20:02:21 2019
    Hi Bj”rn,

    On 2019-01-28 14:40:36, you wrote to Gregory Deyss:

    According to Google, $8.70 per gallon (US I assume) translates to
    almost SEK21 per litre. Or EUR2 per litre. Can any of our EU friends
    say that they are even remotely near that level?

    Recommeded prices for BP fuel:

    Euro unleaded 95: EUR 1.679
    BP Ultimate unleaded 98: EUR 1.749
    Diesel: EUR 1.429
    BP Ultimate diesel: EUR 1.509
    LPG: EUR 0.839

    (They are probably less at the gas stations)


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Jan 28 20:32:34 2019
    Recommeded prices for BP fuel:

    Euro unleaded 95: EUR 1.679
    BP Ultimate unleaded 98: EUR 1.749
    Diesel: EUR 1.429
    BP Ultimate diesel: EUR 1.509
    LPG: EUR 0.839

    I just checked a Swedish site, and it seems like the Swedish prices are around 20% lower than that. So the next time you take the car to Sweden, remember to come here with an almost empty tank. 8-)



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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Björn Felten on Mon Jan 28 20:42:06 2019
    Hi Björn,

    On 2019-01-28 15:32:34, you wrote to me:

    I just checked a Swedish site, and it seems like the Swedish prices
    are around 20% lower than that.

    Probably due to taxes. :-(

    But there are some (independent) gas stations that give you up to 10 cents better prices, I think.

    So the next time you take the car to Sweden, remember to come here
    with an almost empty tank. 8-)

    I don't have a car, and the tank of my motorbike isn't big enough to gamble I'll have just enough to reach the nearest gas station. ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Mon Jan 28 23:52:35 2019

    According to Google, $8.70 per gallon (US I assume) translates to
    almost SEK21 per litre. Or EUR2 per litre. Can any of our EU friends say that they are even remotely near that level?

    I pay somewhere around 1.2 Euro\litre ... but I never really bother to check, I
    just fill it ... As long as we don't get Big Sur prices I'm fine.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Jan 28 23:53:43 2019

    Wilfred,

    Euro unleaded 95: EUR 1.679
    BP Ultimate unleaded 98: EUR 1.749
    Diesel: EUR 1.429
    BP Ultimate diesel: EUR 1.509
    LPG: EUR 0.839

    That's theft.

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Jan 29 01:43:58 2019
    Hello Wilfred!

    28 Jan 19 15:02, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Bj÷rn Felten:

    Diesel: EUR 1.429

    Last week when I got Diesel around here, it was something like EUR 1.17.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to WILFRED VAN VELZEN on Mon Jan 28 21:36:26 2019
    Hi Bj rn,

    On 2019-01-28 14:40:36, you wrote to Gregory Deyss:

    According to Google, $8.70 per gallon (US I assume) translates to
    almost SEK21 per litre. Or EUR2 per litre. Can any of our EU
    friends
    say that they are even remotely near that level?

    Recommeded prices for BP fuel:

    Euro unleaded 95: EUR 1.679

    That translates roughly to $5.58 per US gallon. Today I paid $2.09/US
    gallon for gasohol (10% mix of ethanol & 95 octane gasoline)

    BP Ultimate unleaded 98: EUR 1.749
    Diesel: EUR 1.429
    BP Ultimate diesel: EUR 1.509
    LPG: EUR 0.839

    (They are probably less at the gas stations)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Jan 29 06:12:00 2019
    On 01-28-19 07:47, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Drug smuggler submari <=-

    Yeah? and I have a bridge I could sell you in Brooklyn, New York.

    While your statement is fake news, the fact of drug smuggler submarines
    is not. You could have checked that out yourself via a simple google which turns up a number of articles. Here is a link to one of the more informative

    It is apparent that the U.S. has to do more to stop this, stop sending money to foreign countries that abuse us for example. Then we could develop new technologies to further stop or intercept this drug
    traffic.

    For once, I an agree with you. But building a wall will not stop
    submarines, traffic through normal access sites, nor elaborate tunnels.
    All of which are used by the drug traffic smugglers.

    Recent federal estimate of the cost of the government shutdown imposed
    by Trump is that the shutdown cost twice as much as he wanted for "his
    wall".

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Gerrit Kuehn on Tue Jan 29 12:10:36 2019
    Re: Re: The Great Wall of China
    By: Gerrit Kuehn to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Jan 28 2019 08:43 pm

    Last week when I got Diesel around here, it was something like EUR 1.17.

    Diesel makes me sad. It was a great cheap energy source for a reliable, dependable, cheap engine - then they reformulated it, which added a ton of refinement cost to each gallon, automakers required the addition of a urea system, and made a great system much more expensive and bodgy.

    When I drove a Rabbit (Golf) Diesel in the 80s, Diesel was simple to refine - and cheaper than unleaded gasoline. My car got 55 mpg. Now Diesel is more expensive than Unleaded, and requires DEF.
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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Jan 29 23:32:10 2019
    Hello Kurt!

    29 Jan 19 07:10, Kurt Weiske wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    and cheaper than unleaded gasoline. My car got 55 mpg. Now Diesel is
    more expensive than Unleaded, and requires DEF.

    Well, my Diesel car is more than 12 years old, has no urea system, and the stuff itself is still way cheaper here than unleaded petrol.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Bj÷rn Felten on Tue Jan 29 11:29:00 2019
    Hello Bjorn,

    Recommeded prices for BP fuel:

    Euro unleaded 95: EUR 1.679
    BP Ultimate unleaded 98: EUR 1.749
    Diesel: EUR 1.429
    BP Ultimate diesel: EUR 1.509
    LPG: EUR 0.839

    Wilfred unluckily forgot to mention that the petrol is now mixed with
    5 % or even 10 % bio-components, and the diesel with 7 %.
    They are called E5, E10 or B7.

    I just checked a Swedish site, and it seems like the Swedish prices
    are around 20% lower than that.

    Interesting.

    So the next time you take the car to Sweden, remember to come here
    with an almost empty tank. 8-)

    That's simply to do.
    The most North's place I haven ever been by car was in 1983 to Copenhagen in Danmark about 800 km from Arnhem.nl. We took then the ferry to Rodby haven. What is the distance from Kopenhagen to your city in Sweden?
    And can that be done without taking a ferry? I thought that there are now more long bridges to drive from Gemany via Danmark to Sweden in one direct way.
    Is that right?
    The longest distance I have ever made with my VW Lupo 3L is about 1650 km
    at one single tankfilling of 42 Liters. Unluckily that's not possible anymore as I can not get the original special Bridgestone B381 Ecopia 155/65R14/75T tires anymore.
    Now I am happy if the max distance I can drive lies between 1100 and 1300 km per tank filling, inclusive using the expansion room of 9 Liters in the tank. Otherwise it could only filled up to 34 Liters. I have a trick for doing that, but you must then drive at least 30 km after filling before parking the car in the hot sun.

    One of the reasons for going to Sweden for me is the Gota Canal with the many locks. But I do not know if that wish can be full filled once.
    You may know that I am born and grown up at inland cargo ships here in NL. Except for a windsurfboard I donot have a boat by myself,
    but my brother has two inland ships, one tug and one old cargo ship,
    now used for pleasure.

    Greetings from Henri.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Henri Derksen on Wed Jan 30 11:46:51 2019
    What is the distance from Kopenhagen to your city in Sweden?

    300km -- Autobahn all the way. You can set the destination, the adaptive cruise control and your lane control and then lean back and let the car make the three hour drive by itself. :)

    And can that be done without taking a ferry? I thought that there are
    now more
    long bridges to drive from Gemany via Danmark to Sweden in one direct way. Is that right?

    Yes, there are now two bridges to cross if you want to drive all the way from continental Europe to Sweden. They are both toll bridges. EUR25 on the bridge over Stora Bält and EUR45 on the Öresund Bridge last time I crossed if I
    remember correctly.

    The Puttgarden/Rödby ferry is still the fastest (excluding wait time for the
    ferry), cheapest and shortest way. From Hamburg to Göteborg for instance it's 650km via the ferry and 780km via the two bridges.

    One of the reasons for going to Sweden for me is the Gota Canal with the many locks.

    From Göteborg there are a couple of 80-150yo cruise ships that take you along the entire Göta Canal all the way to Stockholm. It's really a must if you're into that sort of thing. It's really, really expensive, like a luxury ship cruise, with all included, usually is. :)

    https://www.gotacanal.se/en/



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Henri Derksen on Wed Jan 30 13:04:25 2019

    Henri,

    Wilfred unluckily forgot to mention that the petrol is now mixed with
    5 % or even 10 % bio-components, and the diesel with 7 %.
    They are called E5, E10 or B7.

    You must be from the Netherlands...

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Wed Jan 30 13:08:48 2019

    Yes, there are now two bridges to cross if you want to drive all the
    way from continental Europe to Sweden. They are both toll bridges. EUR25
    on the bridge over Stora Bält and EUR45 on the Öresund Bridge last time I crossed if I remember correctly.

    Is there still the ferry from Helsingor to Helsingborg?

    I thought it was funny to see how slow it went plus how people ambushed the tax-free store ...

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wed Jan 30 13:49:20 2019
    Is there still the ferry from Helsingor to Helsingborg?

    Yes indeed there is. If you look at a map you'll see that it's almost a straight line going that way from Köpenhamn to Göteborg, compared to the long detour over the Öresund bridge. And it's almost half the prise.

    I thought it was funny to see how slow it went plus how people ambushed the tax-free store ...

    LOL! Yeah, it's a real race even to get a cup of coffee in the cafeteria during the 20 minute (deliberately made slow!) crossing.



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gerrit Kuehn on Wed Jan 30 06:05:04 2019
    On 01-29-19 18:32, Gerrit Kuehn <=-
    spoke to Kurt Weiske about Re: The Great Wall of Chi <=-

    and cheaper than unleaded gasoline. My car got 55 mpg. Now Diesel is
    more expensive than Unleaded, and requires DEF.

    Well, my Diesel car is more than 12 years old, has no urea
    system, and the stuff itself is still way cheaper here than
    unleaded petrol.

    That may well be a difference between the USA and European prices. The
    chart that I saw posted here had diesel less expensive than petrol, but
    here in the USA it is more expensive than regular gasoline (87 octane).
    Perhaps the gasoline sold over there is a higher octane??

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Gerrit Kuehn on Wed Jan 30 14:43:00 2019
    Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Well, my Diesel car is more than 12 years old, has no urea system, and
    the stuff itself is still way cheaper here than unleaded petrol.

    I found a web site, http://www.mercedesmotoring.com. They take old mercedes down to the metal in some cases and rebuild them from the bottom up. The results are phenomenal!

    I'd love a 1984 300TD (the estate/station wagon, not the turbo sedan).
    Although a sedan wouldn't be bad, either - always liked silver with blue
    MB-Tex upholstry.



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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jan 31 01:30:12 2019
    Hello Dale!

    30 Jan 19 01:05, Dale Shipp wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    Well, my Diesel car is more than 12 years old, has no urea
    system, and the stuff itself is still way cheaper here than
    unleaded petrol.

    That may well be a difference between the USA and European prices.

    I don't know for other European countries, but here in Germany they also tax Diesel fuel less than petrol... on the other side, taxes for Diesel cars are higher than the ones for petrol cars. So usually, a Diesel is overall cheaper if you drive more. I don't know where the break-even is exactly these days (it also depends on the concrete type of car), it used to be somewhere between 25.000km and 35.000km per year.

    Perhaps the gasoline sold over there is a higher octane??

    Usually, you can have 91 octane ("normal petrol"), 95 octane ("super petrol"), or 98 octane ("super-plus petrol") here. However, these are sold by research octane number (RON) here, not by motor octane number (MON). I don't know what they use on our side of the pond.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jan 31 02:49:19 2019
    On 28 Jan 2019, Ward Dossche said the following...

    A socialist country can not hold a candle to the United States.

    Your definition, Greg, of Socialism isn't the same as ours.

    Your definition for example of "liberals" is totally different than
    ours. The Democratic party from our viewpoint is not liberql but still conservative to the right with the GOP still being further to the right. The USA has no political parties in the center and certainly nothing progressive to the left.

    The democratic party is highly liberal here and it in some cases it is increasing to the degree of the far left to the point where it is radical.
    The democratic party is no where near the same democratic party that was in place in the John F. Kennedy days, it's far left era now.
    It seem there is a phenomenon that is known as to where as you have a
    democrats who have conservative ideals, just as it true as there are conservatives with liberal ideals. I am Conservative and I am on the right.
    But you knew that already.

    All that free stuff one gets in a socialist country, it's really not free, you pay one way or the other.
    Sure. And the problem with that
    is "what" ?

    How much of your earned hourly wage do you get to take home.

    No tax, however, is charged on generation of electricity and
    on renewable sources. The $8.70 per gallon price reflects a significant 30-cent increase from the previous year.

    Yes. Again, the problem is "what"?

    it called being used. Do you know what would happen here in the U.S. if gasoline was $8.70 a gallon, we would do a lot more then wear yellow jackets
    in protest, such as the case in France.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jan 31 03:48:43 2019
    For once, I an agree with you. But building a wall will not stop submarines, traffic through normal access sites, nor elaborate tunnels. All of which are used by the drug traffic smugglers.

    Recent federal estimate of the cost of the government shutdown imposed
    by Trump is that the shutdown cost twice as much as he wanted for "his wall".

    It did not have to be this way, The President was in Washington, D.C. during Christmas through New Years, the democrats had ample opportunity to get something hashed out.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gerrit Kuehn on Thu Jan 31 05:24:00 2019
    On 01-30-19 20:30, Gerrit Kuehn <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: The Great Wall of Ch <=-

    Perhaps the gasoline sold over there is a higher octane??

    Usually, you can have 91 octane ("normal petrol"), 95 octane ("super petrol"), or 98 octane ("super-plus petrol") here. However,
    these are sold by research octane number (RON) here, not by
    motor octane number (MON). I don't know what they use on
    our side of the pond.

    I know that there are different measures of octane, but do not know the difference nor what type is used here in the US.

    I got gas today at Costco, which is a membership warehouse store. I
    paid US$2.05 per gal (also US) for regular which is listed as being 87
    Octane. At the same time I noticed that premium (93 octane) was going
    for $2.29 there. They don't sell diesel. It is worth saying that
    Costco is routinely less expensive than any other gass station in the
    area -- others run from $0.10 to $0.50 higher for their regular
    gasoline.

    Using a fuel price application, the least expensive diesel in
    the area is $2.79. That same application shows that the average price
    of regular gasoline by state varies from a low of $1.87 in Oklahoma to a
    high of $3.22 in California. Some of that variance is due to
    distribution costs, and a lot of it is due to state taxes.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jan 31 15:31:15 2019
    The democratic party is highly liberal here and it in some cases it is increasing to the degree of the far left to the point where it is
    radical.

    The you have no clue what "liberal" means in the rest of the world nor what is regarded as "far left".

    The way we see the Democratic Party is pretty conservative, just not as conservative as the GOP.

    I am Conservative and I am on the right.
    But you knew that already.

    Sure, I have no problem with that.

    Sure. And the problem with that is "what" ?

    How much of your earned hourly wage do you get to take home.

    I have no clue and I really don't care because I don't have to worry about healthcare for example and my kids\grandkids don't need to take-out 30yr loans to get an education.

    it called being used. Do you know what would happen here in the U.S. if gasoline was $8.70 a gallon, we would do a lot more then wear yellow jackets in protest, such as the case in France.

    FYI I just checked and this morning it was $4.27/gallon, that's 95 Octane.

    One thing you need to understand about Norway is that "everything" there is fu**ing expensive ... it's impossible to get drunk there because you'll be bankrupt first.

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jan 31 15:45:42 2019
    Hello Dale!

    31 Jan 19 00:24, Dale Shipp wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    petrol"), or 98 octane ("super-plus petrol") here. However,
    these are sold by research octane number (RON) here, not by
    motor octane number (MON). I don't know what they use on
    your side of the pond.

    I know that there are different measures of octane, but do not know
    the
    difference nor what type is used here in the US.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating#Difference_between_RON,_MON,_and_

    ---
    Because of the 8 to 12 octane number difference between RON and MON noted above, the AKI shown in Canada and the United States is 4 to 6 octane numbers lower than elsewhere in the world for the same fuel.
    ---

    Looks like you use the mean value of the two (AKI = Anti-Knock Index = (RON+MON)/2).

    Using a fuel price application, the least expensive diesel in
    the area is $2.79.

    As I said, in Germany Diesel has less taxes (and there are no varying state taxes on that, it's all the same in the whole country).
    However, all these things are difficult to compare between countries (even European ones) because the end prices include lots of "arbitrary" things like taxes, and one would also have to see it in the light of the money that is earned in that country and the spending power ("How long does the average employee have to work to buy something?") it has for a whole basket of goods and services. And even that may be misleading because the average income tells you nothing about the actual di
  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jan 31 12:20:55 2019
    One thing you need to understand about Norway is that "everything" there is fu**ing expensive ... it's impossible to get drunk there because
    you'll be bankrupt first.

    What do you like to drink, when you attempt to get drunk, can you buy it here in the states?

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jan 31 19:56:37 2019
    One thing you need to understand about Norway is that "everything"
    there
    is fu**ing expensive ... it's impossible to get drunk there because GD>WD> you'll be bankrupt first.

    What do you like to drink, when you attempt to get drunk, can you buy it here in the states?

    Whenever I was in Norway, I had never anything alcoholic unless I was either invited or could charge it to the company credit card.

    Too expensive.

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Jan 31 21:26:32 2019
    Hello Gregory!

    30 Jan 19 21:49, Gregory Deyss wrote to Ward Dossche:

    How much of your earned hourly wage do you get to take home.

    Why would you care? Why should I care? I don't know, probably something like 50% (this varies with how much you actually earn). For the other half we get excellent free healthcare for all employees and their families (no matter how many kids or how ill they might be), unemployment ensurance, pension insurance,
    social insurance, long-term care insurance, basically free education up to university level for everyone, and the infrastructure a decent country usually provides to every citizen.
    I said "we" above because I know I support other people's healthcare, pensions,
    education, roads etc. with the taxes and contributions I pay. I don't just buy a quiet conscience for myself with that, I contribute to the social peace we (still) have here. We aim to leave no-one behind, neither on personal nor on state level. On the other hand, gated communities are next to unknown here, and
    I've never in my life felt unsafe on any street.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Joacim Melin@2:201/120 to Gerrit Kuehn on Thu Jan 31 23:55:29 2019
    Hello Gregory!

    30 Jan 19 21:49, Gregory Deyss wrote to Ward Dossche:

    How much of your earned hourly wage do you get to take home.

    Why would you care? Why should I care? I don't know, probably
    something like 50% (this varies with how much you actually earn). For
    the other half we get excellent free healthcare for all employees and their families (no matter how many kids or how ill they might be), unemployment ensurance, pension insurance, social insurance,
    long-term care insurance, basically free education up to university
    level for everyone, and the infrastructure a decent country usually provides to every citizen.
    I said "we" above because I know I support other people's healthcare, pensions, education, roads etc. with the taxes and contributions I
    pay. I don't just buy a quiet conscience for myself with that, I contribute to the social peace we (still) have here. We aim to leave no-one behind, neither on personal nor on state level. On the other
    hand, gated communities are next to unknown here, and I've never in
    my life felt unsafe on any street.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

    Hear, hear.


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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Joacim Melin on Fri Feb 1 03:27:34 2019
    Hello Joacim!

    31 Jan 19 18:55, Joacim Melin wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    Hear, hear.

    You have a text2speech setup? ;-)


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Feb 1 21:10:36 2019
    Hello Greg,

    The USA has no political parties in the center and certainly nothing
    progressive to the left.

    The democratic party is highly liberal here and it in some cases it is increasing to the degree of the far left to the point where it is radical. The democratic party is no where near the same democratic party that was
    in
    place in the John F. Kennedy days, it's far left era now.
    It seem there is a phenomenon that is known as to where as you have a democrats who have conservative ideals, just as it true as there are conservatives with liberal ideals. I am Conservative and I am on the
    right.
    But you knew that already.

    It's all relative. We have two major political parties, but if you
    look closely at each party it is much more nuanced. For example,
    centrist Democrats are known as "blue dog" Democrats. Bill Nelson
    of Florida, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, are examples. Well,
    now just Manchin since Nelson lost his bid for re-election. On
    the Republican side you have moderates such as John Kasich of Ohio,
    and a handful of others.

    All that free stuff one gets in a socialist country, it's really not
    free, you pay one way or the other.

    Sure. And the problem with that is "what" ?

    How much of your earned hourly wage do you get to take home.

    The top 0.1% of this country control almost all the wealth.
    That is the problem. There is a difference between income and
    wealth. What the super-wealthy do not want is their massive
    wealth to be taxed. They have no problem with taxing other
    people's income.

    No tax, however, is charged on generation of electricity and
    on renewable sources. The $8.70 per gallon price reflects a significant
    30-cent increase from the previous year.

    Yes. Again, the problem is "what"?

    it called being used. Do you know what would happen here in the U.S. if gasoline was $8.70 a gallon, we would do a lot more then wear yellow
    jackets
    in protest, such as the case in France.

    It would be more than good for the state of Louisiana if the cost
    of gasoline was $8.70 a gallon. That way, people in Louisiana would
    have jobs. Great jobs, with great pay, and great benefits. Anybody
    and everybody who wanted a job could get a job. A good job, that
    pays really well, and has great benefits. What's the downside?

    Sure, the cost of a hamburger might be $10. But so what?
    People would have jobs, with great pay. $10 bucks for a hamburger
    would be nothing! Everybody could afford it! And have plenty
    of change to spare!

    You see, most people don't save money. They spend it! That is
    what money is for! Why save what you don't need? People aren't
    stupid. They know what money is for.

    Now, if you want to make money, the best way to do so is by spending
    other people's money. See how that works? If not, I suggest you sign
    up for one of my classes, and I'll show you how ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Feb 1 21:10:42 2019
    Hello Greg,

    One thing you need to understand about Norway is that "everything"
    there
    is fu**ing expensive ... it's impossible to get drunk there because
    you'll be bankrupt first.

    What do you like to drink, when you attempt to get drunk, can you buy it here in the states?

    Tuba. When fishing. Not bought, but made. From sugarcane.
    Nasty stuff. Looks like gasoline. Smells like gasoline. Tastes
    like gasoline. Not for the faint of heart. Only the stupid.

    Can also be made from coconuts. Sugarcane version is better.
    Slightly more palatable. But either way, still nasty.

    We put it in plastic jugs and drink up. Get drunk really fast.

    Filipino friends in Lafitte (just south of New Orleans) showed
    me how to make it. And also how to drink it. Good thing none of
    us were driving, and only had paddles.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Feb 2 14:46:39 2019

    It would be more than good for the state of Louisiana if the cost
    of gasoline was $8.70 a gallon. That way, people in Louisiana would
    have jobs. Great jobs, with great pay, and great benefits. Anybody
    and everybody who wanted a job could get a job. A good job, that
    pays really well, and has great benefits. What's the downside?

    I dont think it would go down quite like that.
    The only ones that would profiting would be the ceo's of these oil companies.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Feb 2 21:38:52 2019
    It would be more than good for the state of Louisiana if the cost
    of gasoline was $8.70 a gallon. That way, people in Louisiana would
    have jobs. Great jobs, with great pay, and great benefits. Anybody
    and everybody who wanted a job could get a job. A good job, that
    pays really well, and has great benefits. What's the downside?

    I dont think it would go down quite like that.

    Well, we're not all that impressed by what you 'dont'(SIC) think.

    The only ones that would profiting would be the ceo's of these oil companies.

    Judging by your knowledge of anything outside your own county (the R deliberately left out) I doubt that you've never heard of the Orkney Islands. Right?

    For several years now, they've managed to become more than 100% supplied with solar and wind power. They don't even know what to do with their sometimes
    up to 50% surplus!

    Any county or even state in the US can easily make the same happening. But then there's the oil barons ruling your government without some of you even realizing it.

    Hurray for coal and oil power, fuck global warming. Give the oil barons what
    they want. :(



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Sun Feb 3 02:33:56 2019
    Bjorn,

    Judging by your knowledge of anything outside your own county (the R deliberately left out) I doubt that you've never heard of the Orkney Islands. Right?

    For several years now, they've managed to become more than 100%
    supplied with solar and wind power. They don't even know what to do with their sometimes up to 50% surplus!

    That is an inaccurate statement in sofar that the Orkneys are a very rutal area. The electricity demand is mostly domestic and the local pub has a back-up
    generator for the dark nights.

    There is no industry of any kind and shipyards plus fishing boats have generators. Supplying 21.000 people with electricity requires a different effort than for 160 million.

    These communities cannot survive on their own without imports of whatever kind of goods which will be produced by power not coming from renewable resources. Their iPhones come from China just the same.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Sun Feb 3 17:34:37 2019

    It would be more than good for the state of Louisiana if the cost
    of gasoline was $8.70 a gallon. That way, people in Louisiana would
    have jobs. Great jobs, with great pay, and great benefits. Anybody
    and everybody who wanted a job could get a job. A good job, that
    pays really well, and has great benefits. What's the downside?

    I dont think it would go down quite like that.

    Well, we're not all that impressed by what you 'dont'(SIC) think.

    Again... with the (we're) we vs you mentality..

    What are you talking about?
    All I was suggesting is that gasoline prices set at the cost per gallon at $8.70 would cause a negative response.

    Hurray for coal and oil power, fuck global warming. Give the oil
    barons what they want. :(

    Global Warming?
    Have you seen the cold that has swept across the U.S. recently?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Feb 4 00:04:05 2019
    Have you seen the cold that has swept across the U.S. recently?

    Don't you know the difference between climate and weather?

    It's the global warming that causes the extreme weather. Study a little on the jet-stream and on the global ocean conveyor belt and you'll be enlightened...



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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Sun Feb 3 21:10:01 2019
    On 03 Feb 2019, Björn Felten said the following...

    Have you seen the cold that has swept across the U.S. recently?

    Don't you know the difference between climate and weather?

    It's the global warming that causes the extreme weather. Study a
    little on the jet-stream and on the global ocean conveyor belt and
    you'll be enlightened...

    Hello? the whole purpose and drive behind this phony Global Warming is that
    the globe will superheat. It says nothing about temperatures cooling to the point where it feels like the ice age is upon us.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Feb 4 23:39:33 2019
    Hello Greg,

    It would be more than good for the state of Louisiana if the cost
    of gasoline was $8.70 a gallon. That way, people in Louisiana would
    have jobs. Great jobs, with great pay, and great benefits. Anybody
    and everybody who wanted a job could get a job. A good job, that
    pays really well, and has great benefits. What's the downside?

    I dont think it would go down quite like that.
    The only ones that would profiting would be the ceo's of these oil companies.

    Huey P. Long saved us, his favorite whipping boy being Standard Oil.
    But he could not save us from FDR. Although that really was not his
    own fault.

    --Lee

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Feb 4 17:41:58 2019

    On 2019 Feb 03 16:10:00, you wrote to Björn Felten:

    Hello? the whole purpose and drive behind this phony Global Warming is
    that
    the globe will superheat. It says nothing about temperatures cooling to
    the
    point where it feels like the ice age is upon us.

    wow, really???

    dude, the climate warms up and clouds get thicker... they reflect the heat as well as blocking the sun... below the clouds things get colder since there's no
    sun to warm things up... more clouds from warming gives less heat below... less
    heat gives colder weather... colder weather gives well...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tue Feb 5 02:55:29 2019
    Hello Björn,

    Have you seen the cold that has swept across the U.S. recently?

    Don't you know the difference between climate and weather?

    The climate has changed the conditions that exist.
    The weather is always changing the conditions that exist.

    It's the global warming that causes the extreme weather.

    What kind of global warming? The Earth is always warming, or
    cooling. Sometimes at the same time. That is not really the
    question that should be asked. Manmade global warming is the
    real question. Yes, man does contribute to what is happening.
    But man is not solely responsible.

    Christopher Columbus discovered America in 1492. Over the
    next 100 years, Europeans caused so much deforestation that
    an estimated 56 million Native Americans perished. It got
    so cold by the early 1600's the time period became known as
    the Little Ice Age. The area of land that was deforested
    was roughly the size of France. That is what just one area
    of deforestation alone can do.

    Study a little on the jet-stream and on the global ocean conveyor belt and you'll be enlightened...

    The Earth is warming up, due largely to manmade causes.
    How to lower the temperature is easy. Just chop down all
    the remaining forests in the world. Then build new houses
    for the homeless with the timber. If it gets too cold,
    tear down a few houses to use as firewood.

    The newly deforested land can be used to grow more food.
    Assuming it is not all frozen over.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Feb 5 02:55:35 2019
    Hello Greg,

    It would be more than good for the state of Louisiana if the
    cost
    of gasoline was $8.70 a gallon. That way, people in Louisiana
    would
    have jobs. Great jobs, with great pay, and great benefits.
    Anybody
    and everybody who wanted a job could get a job. A good job,
    that
    pays really well, and has great benefits. What's the downside?

    I dont think it would go down quite like that.

    Well, we're not all that impressed by what you 'dont'(SIC) think.

    Again... with the (we're) we vs you mentality..

    What are you talking about?
    All I was suggesting is that gasoline prices set at the cost per gallon at $8.70 would cause a negative response.

    Indeed it would. Which is why Huey P. Long was so popular in
    his day. He railed against the oil companies (Standard Oil) for
    having a monopoly. He was a populist, and a truly gifted speaker.
    He would have defeated FDR for president had he not been shot by
    a doctor.

    Hurray for coal and oil power, fuck global warming. Give the oil
    barons what they want. :(

    Global Warming?
    Have you seen the cold that has swept across the U.S. recently?

    A precursor to the pole shift that is about to occur.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Feb 5 02:55:42 2019
    Hello Greg,

    Have you seen the cold that has swept across the U.S. recently?

    Don't you know the difference between climate and weather?

    It's the global warming that causes the extreme weather. Study a
    little on the jet-stream and on the global ocean conveyor belt and
    you'll be enlightened...

    Hello? the whole purpose and drive behind this phony Global Warming is
    that
    the globe will superheat. It says nothing about temperatures cooling to
    the
    point where it feels like the ice age is upon us.

    Here in Louisiana the land is sinking and the water is rising.
    Something is causing this to happen. The camp where I used to go
    fishing is no longer there, because there is no land for a camp
    to be anymore. It is all underwater. The place where I used
    to teach school is no longer there because nobody lives there
    anymore. Why not? Because the entire town is underwater. The
    Native American community that lived there became homeless, and
    had to find a new place to stay. The entire Native American
    community, not just some or most of the people who lived there.

    What is taking place is not global warming/climate change.
    That is just a cover-up story to what is really happening.
    When one area warms up, another area gets cooler. That is
    what happens when a pole shift occurs. The magnetic poles
    will cause the earth's axis to tilt, resulting in a pole
    shift, meaning the North Pole and the South Pole will be at
    a different location in the near future.

    Which freezes faster - hot water or cold water? You can
    conduct the experiment yourself, using your own freezer.
    Fill one ice tray with hot water, and another ice tray with
    cold water. Place them both in the freezer at the same time.
    The ice tray of hot water will freeze before the ice tray
    of cold water.

    Same thing on a global scale. At some point, in the near
    future, the imbalance will be so great that Earth's axis will
    tilt, resulting in a new North Pole and a new South Pole.

    Not to mention a new Ice Age.

    --Lee

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Mon Feb 4 21:09:52 2019
    Hurray for coal and oil power, fuck global warming. Give the oil barons what they want. :(

    Global Warming?
    Have you seen the cold that has swept across the U.S. recently?

    Actually, for more than a decade the winters here have been milder than
    they used to be. The first winter I was here (1972-73), in January of '73
    the thermometer got down below zero (F) and stayed there for over a week.
    Until last week sub-zero temperatures have been rare (and they're coming
    again later this week). All of that said, I had nearly two feet of global warming in my yard until it finally melted yesterday (just in time for more
    of it to come)
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to mark lewis on Tue Feb 5 04:39:04 2019
    Hello? the whole purpose and drive behind this phony Global Warming is that
    the globe will superheat. It says nothing about temperatures cooling to the
    point where it feels like the ice age is upon us.

    wow, really???

    LOL! My thoughts exactly.

    But it kinda explains how those ignorant deniers reason: they obviously think that the climate is simply like a thermostat that either can be raised or
    lowered, resulting in instant global warming or global cooling.

    That the global climate is far, far more complex than that is seemingly beyond their education.


    ..

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  • From Joacim Melin@2:201/120 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Feb 5 14:43:56 2019
    I stand corrected and I apologize for my comment.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Tue Feb 5 12:15:08 2019
    On 04 Feb 2019, mark lewis said the following...

    On 2019 Feb 03 16:10:00, you wrote to Björn Felten:

    Hello? the whole purpose and drive behind this phony Global Warming i
    that
    the globe will superheat. It says nothing about temperatures cooling
    the
    point where it feels like the ice age is upon us.

    wow, really???

    dude, the climate warms up and clouds get thicker... they reflect the
    heat as well as blocking the sun... below the clouds things get colder since there's no sun to warm things up... more clouds from warming gives less heat below... less heat gives colder weather... colder weather
    gives well...

    It was the polar vortex, but at least one thing can be put to bed, the world
    is not flat. I have never believed these nuts who have been suggesting this
    for years.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Feb 7 06:31:34 2019
    Hello Greg,

    Hello? the whole purpose and drive behind this phony Global
    Warming i
    that
    the globe will superheat. It says nothing about temperatures
    cooling
    the
    point where it feels like the ice age is upon us.

    wow, really???

    dude, the climate warms up and clouds get thicker... they reflect the
    heat as well as blocking the sun... below the clouds things get
    colder
    since there's no sun to warm things up... more clouds from warming
    gives
    less heat below... less heat gives colder weather... colder weather
    gives well...

    It was the polar vortex, but at least one thing can be put to bed, the
    world
    is not flat. I have never believed these nuts who have been suggesting
    this
    for years.

    https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/blog/einsteins- relativity-proves-earth-flat

    The president of the Flat Earth Society has conclusively
    proven that the earth is flat, based on Albert Einstein's
    theory of relativity.

    So. There you go. Straight from the horse's mouth.

    Believe it at your own peril. :)

    --Lee

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  • From Ray Quinn@1:214/23 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Feb 7 00:27:36 2019
    The president of the Flat Earth Society has conclusively
    proven that the earth is flat, based on Albert Einstein's
    theory of relativity.

    So. There you go. Straight from the horse's mouth.

    More likely the other end. ;-)

    Ray


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ray Quinn on Fri Feb 8 23:05:25 2019
    Hello Ray,

    The president of the Flat Earth Society has conclusively
    proven that the earth is flat, based on Albert Einstein's
    theory of relativity.

    So. There you go. Straight from the horse's mouth.

    More likely the other end. ;-)

    It has to come out somewhere.
    Otherwise, something might explode.

    --Lee

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Feb 13 16:50:40 2019

    Hello Gregory!

    03 Feb 19 12:34, you wrote to Bjorn Felten:


    Hurray for coal and oil power, fuck global warming. Give the
    oil barons what they want. :(

    Global Warming?
    Have you seen the cold that has swept across the U.S. recently?


    Yes. I enjoyed a -53F wind chill a couple weeks ago. It's all "global warming"s fault.

    You see, normally this cold air stays far north. But due to global temperatures
    rising, the jet stream that keeps it there has started to meander a bit. Hence
    the -53F (47.2C) wind chill.

    That's why they call it "Global Warming" and not "Midwestern United States of America Warming".

    Mike


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Feb 13 16:56:26 2019

    Hello Lee!

    07 Feb 19 01:31, you wrote to Gregory Deyss:


    https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/blog/einsteins- relativity-proves-earth-flat

    The president of the Flat Earth Society has conclusively
    proven that the earth is flat, based on Albert Einstein's
    theory of relativity.

    So. There you go. Straight from the horse's mouth.

    Believe it at your own peril. :)


    The Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe!


    Mike


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Joacim Melin on Sat Feb 16 01:14:10 2019
    Hello Joacim,

    I stand corrected and I apologize for my comment.

    No offense taken. I may be the only person in Fidoland
    who has ever posted messages from a loony bin, although not
    as a patient. Thanks to Ed Koon, sysop of Docs Place.
    However, another resident of Docs Place may have actually
    posted messages from a loony bin as a real patient. He
    hasn't been the same since his pit bull went off to
    doggie heaven, so it may be a while until he returns.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Sat Feb 16 01:14:15 2019
    Hello Mike,

    https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/blog/einsteins-
    relativity-proves-earth-flat

    The president of the Flat Earth Society has conclusively
    proven that the earth is flat, based on Albert Einstein's
    theory of relativity.

    So. There you go. Straight from the horse's mouth.

    Believe it at your own peril. :)


    The Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe!

    Including those who fell off the table!

    --Lee

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