• Electronics.

    From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Tony Langdon on Thu Nov 1 18:57:00 2018
    Hello Tony,

    The paid firefighters here use a 2 shift system - day shoft
    8AM - 6PM, and night shift 6PM - 8AM.
    There are 4 shifts on a rotating basis -
    2 days day, 2 days night, then 4 days off.

    Then you have 3 times a week a jetlag, that is desastrous for your health,
    at least your sleeping hours are broken very much.
    My brother had a scheme of 3 shifts a week:
    2 x Morning: 07:00 - 15:00 h.
    2 x Afternoon: 15:00 - 23:00 h.
    2 x Night: 23:00 - 07:00 h.
    And then 2 or 3 days off.
    At 55 years old they go with a kind of pension, receiving 70 % of what they normally earned when working until 65. The may work else to earn that 30 % also, but when comming above that, you will receive less compensation.
    But since then he still sleeps bad. It seems the damage is permanent ;-(.
    You can better work a whole week or month at nights,
    than that continuing rotating shifts.
    Nurses working in the hospital tell you the same.

    Henri.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854.1 to Henri Derksen on Fri Nov 2 11:52:02 2018
    Henri,

    My wife is a nurse ... she can tell you about jetlag.

    Ward


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    Hello Tony,

    The paid firefighters here use a 2 shift system - day shoft
    8AM - 6PM, and night shift 6PM - 8AM.
    There are 4 shifts on a rotating basis -
    2 days day, 2 days night, then 4 days off.

    Then you have 3 times a week a jetlag, that is desastrous for your health, at least your sleeping hours are broken very much.
    My brother had a scheme of 3 shifts a week:
    2 x Morning: 07:00 - 15:00 h.
    2 x Afternoon: 15:00 - 23:00 h.
    2 x Night: 23:00 - 07:00 h.
    And then 2 or 3 days off.
    At 55 years old they go with a kind of pension, receiving 70 % of what they normally earned when working until 65. The may work else to earn that 30 % also, but when comming above that, you will receive less compensation. But since then he still sleeps bad. It seems the damage is permanent ;-(. You can better work a whole week or month at nights,
    than that continuing rotating shifts.
    Nurses working in the hospital tell you the same.

    Henri.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Henri Derksen on Sat Nov 3 05:07:00 2018
    On 11-01-18 14:57, Henri Derksen wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Then you have 3 times a week a jetlag, that is desastrous for your
    health, at least your sleeping hours are broken very much.

    Yes, that's a real problem, but that's how it seems to be done. :(


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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208.1 to Tony Langdon on Thu Nov 8 07:30:51 2018
    Hello Tony and others,

    Sat. 03 Nov 2018, 01:07:00, Tony Langdon wrote to Henri Derksen:

    Then you have 3 times a week a jetlag, that is desastrous for your
    health, at least your sleeping hours are broken very much.

    Yes, that's a real problem, but that's how it seems to be done. :(

    I think that way should be reconsidered,
    as this short shifts changes damages the health of the working people unnecessarrily. That damage is work related and all shifts should be changed, now or in the near future.
    At least bij expanding the same shift by at least a whole week,
    so you have only a time lag ones a week, in stead of 3 times as now happends.

    Henri.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Henri Derksen on Sat Nov 10 01:53:00 2018
    On 11-08-18 02:30, Henri Derksen wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I think that way should be reconsidered,
    as this short shifts changes damages the health of the working people unnecessarrily. That damage is work related and all shifts should be changed, now or in the near future.
    At least bij expanding the same shift by at least a whole week,
    so you have only a time lag ones a week, in stead of 3 times as now happends.

    Yes, it would seem to make more sense from a health perspective to have the shifts for a lot longer.


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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Roger Nelson on Fri Nov 16 18:03:00 2018
    Hello Roger,

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    That takes all 10 fingers.

    I saw the same, but it is hardly possible to do.
    It reminds me of two piano plyers, of which one had written a song that could not be played with 10 fingers, because both hands were to far out of each
    other to play one middle note.
    The answer was play that single key which your nose,
    so the smart player won that test.

    Henri.

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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Henri Derksen on Sat Nov 17 10:35:55 2018
    On Fri Nov-16-2018 13:03, Henri Derksen (2:280/1208) wrote to Roger Nelson:

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    That takes all 10 fingers.

    I saw the same, but it is hardly possible to do.

    One could cheat and use the heel of the right hand.

    It reminds me of two piano plyers, of which one had written a song
    that could not be played with 10 fingers, because both hands were
    to far out of each other to play one middle note.
    The answer was play that single key which your nose,
    so the smart player won that test.

    Did you ever see Valentina Lisitsa play?


    Regards,

    Roger
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Henri Derksen on Sat Nov 17 16:21:24 2018

    On 2018 Nov 16 13:03:00, you wrote to Roger Nelson:

    Hello Roger,

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    That takes all 10 fingers.

    I saw the same, but it is hardly possible to do.

    why is that? it only takes three fingers to hold down all of

    INSERT HOME PGUP
    DELETE DNE PGDN

    one might get lucky and hold down all six with two fingers placed appropriatly...

    CTRL, ALT and SHIFT are another two fingers; CTRL and SHIFT by one finger and ALT with another finger... that leaves five fingers to hold down the PAUSE key ;)

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to mark lewis on Sun Nov 18 04:15:05 2018

    why is that? it only takes three fingers to hold down all of

    INSERT HOME PGUP
    DELETE DNE PGDN

    one might get lucky and hold down all six with two fingers placed appropriatly...

    It can be done with one...

    \%/@rd

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Ward Dossche on Sun Nov 18 20:56:34 2018

    On 2018 Nov 17 23:15:04, you wrote to me:

    why is that? it only takes three fingers to hold down all of

    INSERT HOME PGUP
    DELETE DNE PGDN

    one might get lucky and hold down all six with two fingers placed
    appropriatly...

    It can be done with one...

    possibly... depending on how meaty/boney one's fingers are...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to mark lewis on Mon Nov 19 04:13:22 2018

    one might get lucky and hold down all six with two fingers placed ml>ml>> appropriatly...

    It can be done with one...

    possibly... depending on how meaty/boney one's fingers are...

    Y'all are thinking in terms of fingertips while you're talking about "fingers".

    If I use the length of my middle-finger I even get the 'backspace' and 'enter' keys too.

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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Ward Dossche on Tue Nov 20 13:26:16 2018
    On Sat Nov-17-2018 23:15, Ward Dossche (2:292/854) wrote to mark lewis:

    why is that? it only takes three fingers to hold down all of

    INSERT HOME PGUP
    DELETE DNE PGDN

    one might get lucky and hold down all six with two fingers placed appropriatly...

    It can be done with one...

    Isn't anyone going to ask you how? (-:


    Regards,

    Roger
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854.1 to Roger Nelson on Wed Nov 21 00:08:11 2018
    why is that? it only takes three fingers to hold down all of

    INSERT HOME PGUP
    DELETE DNE PGDN

    one might get lucky and hold down all six with two fingers placed
    appropriatly...

    It can be done with one...

    Isn't anyone going to ask you how? (-:

    Apparently not 8-)

    Ward
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wed Nov 21 01:24:51 2018
    Isn't anyone going to ask you how? (-:

    Apparently not 8-)

    Maybe because most readers skip the private conversation between Tony, Roger
    and Holger?


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Wed Nov 21 01:35:06 2018

    Isn't anyone going to ask you how? (-:

    Apparently not 8-)

    Maybe because most readers skip the private conversation between Tony, Roger and Holger?

    <blush>

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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Ward Dossche on Wed Nov 21 08:53:03 2018
    On Tue Nov-20-2018 19:08, Ward Dossche (2:292/854.1) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    why is that? it only takes three fingers to hold down all of

    INSERT HOME PGUP
    DELETE DNE PGDN

    one might get lucky and hold down all six with two fingers placed
    appropriatly...

    It can be done with one...

    Isn't anyone going to ask you how? (-:

    Apparently not 8-)

    I'm going to wait a little longer to see if it sinks in.

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    I thought about putting that on my Android, but I keep getting silly text messages on it asking if I'm going out tonight. (-: I could stop that, of course, but for now I'll put up with it.


    Regards,

    Roger
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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Roger Nelson on Sun Nov 18 17:48:00 2018
    Hello Roger,

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    That takes all 10 fingers.

    I saw the same, but it is hardly possible to do.

    One could cheat and use the heel of the right hand.

    Yes, but if the restriction is only one key per finger, it's undoable.
    May be apes can, they have 20 fingers ;-).

    It reminds me of two piano plyers, of which one had written a song
    that could not be played with 10 fingers, because both hands were
    to far out of each other to play one middle note.
    The answer was play that single key which your nose,
    so the smart player won that test.

    That story came from a schoolbook, I never saw it in reality.

    Did you ever see Valentina Lisitsa play?

    No, I hardly ever listen to music anymore since my sudden deafness in 1993.

    Henri.

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Björn Felten on Wed Nov 21 14:13:00 2018
    In a message on 11-20-18 Björn Felten said to Ward Dossche:

    Hello All,

    Maybe because most readers skip the private conversation between
    Tony, Roger and Holger?

    That seems to be the only thing that keeps Fidonet limping.
    The only "active" echo is the FN_SYSOP echo. The SYSOP echo died 1999.


    Regards,

    Holger


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Fri Nov 23 12:24:00 2018
    On 11-21-18 09:13, Holger Granholm wrote to Björn Felten <=-

    Maybe because most readers skip the private conversation between
    Tony, Roger and Holger?

    That seems to be the only thing that keeps Fidonet limping.
    The only "active" echo is the FN_SYSOP echo. The SYSOP echo died 1999.

    Like the late night ragchewing on the 80m ham band. :D And besides, it's not a private conversation, anyone's welcome to join in, change the subject, split off a new thread, whatever. :)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Holger Granholm on Fri Nov 23 04:32:00 2018
    On 11-21-18 09:13, Holger Granholm <=-
    spoke to Björn Felten about Re: Electronics. <=-

    That seems to be the only thing that keeps Fidonet limping.
    The only "active" echo is the FN_SYSOP echo. The SYSOP echo died 1999.

    There are at least a few echos with more activity than FN_SYSOP.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Henri Derksen on Fri Nov 23 11:58:02 2018
    On Sun Nov-18-2018 12:48, Henri Derksen (2:280/1208) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    That takes all 10 fingers.

    I saw the same, but it is hardly possible to do.

    One could cheat and use the heel of the right hand.

    Yes, but if the restriction is only one key per finger, it's
    undoable. May be apes can, they have 20 fingers ;-).

    All you need to do now is train the ape.

    It reminds me of two piano plyers, of which one had written a song
    that could not be played with 10 fingers, because both hands were
    to far out of each other to play one middle note.
    The answer was play that single key which your nose,
    so the smart player won that test.

    Though I never learned to read music, I did have a piano and some songs required different tempos of the hands.

    That story came from a schoolbook, I never saw it in reality.

    Did you ever see Valentina Lisitsa play?

    No, I hardly ever listen to music anymore since my sudden deafness
    in 1993.

    Hardly ever?


    Regards,

    Roger
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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Dale Shipp on Fri Nov 23 16:32:00 2018
    In a message on 11-22-18 Dale Shipp said to Holger Granholm:

    There are at least a few echos with more activity than FN_SYSOP.

    And they are??


    Have a good night,

    Holger


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Holger Granholm on Sat Nov 24 15:04:02 2018
    There are at least a few echos with more activity than FN_SYSOP.

    And they are??

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Sun Nov 25 17:08:00 2018
    On 11-23-18 11:32, Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Yes I know. I have sometimes changed the subject.

    That was more directed at the others who claimed this was a private conversation. :)

    As for chewing the rag, I prefer to chat with friends on 20m.

    I don't get on the air much these days, too much else in life happening. BBSing fits in a little easier. :)

    .. My computer has a nut loose on the keyboard.

    I noticed! :P


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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Roger Nelson on Sun Nov 25 22:47:00 2018
    Hello Roger,

    That takes all 10 fingers.
    I saw the same, but it is hardly possible to do.
    One could cheat and use the heel of the right hand.
    Yes, but if the restriction is only one key per finger, it's
    undoable. May be apes can, they have 20 fingers ;-).

    All you need to do now is train the ape.

    I have better things to do than that ;-).

    Though I never learned to read music,

    I did only very little. Never had the ambition to go on in that way.

    I did have a piano

    I donot.

    No, I hardly ever listen to music anymore since my sudden deafness
    in 1993.

    Hardly ever?

    Yes I am almost complete deaf. In 1993 I lost 50 dBA in only one night.
    Left I am deaf from my birth, and
    right I already had a loss of 45 dBA before 1993.
    When I was 19 in 1975 I had a loss of 15 dBA at 2000 and 4000 Hz,
    and about 30 dBA at 500 Hz, my worst frequency.
    After the 2nd hearing crisis in 1976/1977 I lost 30 dBA in one year
    at the MEAO school with my (bi-)cros hearing aid. We did not know the reason, that was discoverd after the 3rd hearing crisis, called a Sudden Deafness
    in 1993. With the knowledge of 1993 they had to give me solo-apparatus (Sennheiser 2013 PLL) at that MEAO school in 1975. That technique was already available since 1968. The teacher waers a microphone with sender, and the pupil wears a radio receiver connected to the hearing aid.
    When I could have solo-apparatus in 1975 that second crisis with 30 dBA extra loss could have been avoided.
    I worked to hard with too less rests and was telephoning to much with my only less capable bad right ear and BiCros hearing aid.
    The left ear was already completely unusable since my birth.
    That saturday morning 4th september 1993 I had become a hearing loss of
    80 dBA at all frequencies up to 4000 Hz and below at my right ear.
    At 500 Hz the loss was 100 dBA, that was the most badly dip!
    Also above 6000 Hz the loss was 100 dBA, and above 8000 Hz it was > 120 dBA.
    I could not phone anymore, and my BiCros Hearing Aid was useless from then. Luckily I recoverd some of the losses, and now it has stabilized at about 65 dBA at all frequencies below 5kHz, but 67 dBA at 500 Hz.

    In May 1997 I got my 4th hearing crisis when I was talking to the salary administrator to tell him what I had discovered in my work of controlling.
    I immediately took my rest and cancelled almost all meetings I had planned. Neverthe less my Tinnitus, HyperAcusis and Misophony increased besides the hearing loss and the Recruitment I already had. Since that year I donot work commercially anymore and I had to stop wearing a hearing aid anymore.
    In some cases I use my Sennheiser 2013 PLL solo set as a hearing aid,
    but it still tires me too much, so I only use that as little as possible.
    For important meetings I can hire in a speech to text reporter with a laptop and VeloType keyboard. I may only do that for max. 30 hours a year,
    that is only 0.3 % of all possible hours available, paid by the government.
    As I am doing work for clubs, they sometimes pay that speech to text reporter.

    Nowaydays I very seldom listen to music. Mostly only at the days between Christmas and newyears day to the Radio 2 Top2000 with old songs I heard
    in my youth.
    I have to be very carefull with the very little hearing I have left.
    So I am allways continuesly changing the volume knob, mostly at less volume as my bad right ear can handle.
    I hope you understand my situation now.

    Greeting from Henri.

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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Roger Nelson on Sun Nov 25 22:16:00 2018
    Hello Roger,

    Then you were/are much faster than I was.

    Well, he was top of the tree, I am somewhere further down the
    trunk. :D

    I ran 90 meters in about 9 seconds when I was 14.

    That's very fast.
    At the basic school we had to be under the 12 seconds for 60 meters
    with a still standing start.
    I always needed 14 seconds or more to complete 60 meters hard running.
    So I could never reach the most simple A diploma for sports.
    Lateron I discovered it had something to do with my less capacity of my lungs. In 1987 it seemed I had only 75 % of the normal capacity for my
    lenght, weight and body volume compared to normal healthy people.
    Before birth in 1956 I had a lack of O2 between 02:00 and 04:00 hours,
    which has caused in several damages, mostly of hearing and balance and
    lung capacity and less energy.
    I am allways fysically slower than normal people.
    I cannot fix that, so I have to do it witch what I have, that's life.

    Henri.

    ---
    * Origin: Connectivity is the Future; UniCorn BBS 31 26 4425506 (2:280/1208)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Henri Derksen on Sun Nov 25 17:44:46 2018

    SGID: 2:280/1208@FidoNet a49038f4
    EPLY: 1:3828/7.0 bf7eafc1
    ID: FM 2.02

    One could cheat and use the heel of the right hand.

    Yes, but if the restriction is only one key per finger, it's
    undoable. May be apes can, they have 20 fingers ;-).

    All you need to do now is train the ape.

    I have better things to do than that ;-).

    Then why bring it up?

    No, I hardly ever listen to music anymore since my sudden deafness HD>HD>> in 1993.

    Hardly ever?

    Yes I am almost complete deaf. In 1993 I lost 50 dBA in only one night. Left I am deaf from my birth, and
    right I already had a loss of 45 dBA before 1993.
    When I was 19 in 1975 I had a loss of 15 dBA at 2000 and 4000 Hz,
    and about 30 dBA at 500 Hz, my worst frequency.
    After the 2nd hearing crisis in 1976/1977 I lost 30 dBA in one year
    at the MEAO school with my (bi-)cros hearing aid. We did not know the reason,
    that was discoverd after the 3rd hearing crisis, called a Sudden Deafness in 1993. With the knowledge of 1993 they had to give me solo-apparatus (Sennheiser 2013 PLL) at that MEAO school in 1975. That technique was already
    available since 1968. The teacher waers a microphone with sender, and the pupil
    wears a radio receiver connected to the hearing aid.
    When I could have solo-apparatus in 1975 that second crisis with 30 dBA extra
    loss could have been avoided.
    I worked to hard with too less rests and was telephoning to much with my only
    less capable bad right ear and BiCros hearing aid.
    The left ear was already completely unusable since my birth.
    That saturday morning 4th september 1993 I had become a hearing loss of
    80 dBA at all frequencies up to 4000 Hz and below at my right ear.
    At 500 Hz the loss was 100 dBA, that was the most badly dip!
    Also above 6000 Hz the loss was 100 dBA, and above 8000 Hz it was > 120 dBA.
    I could not phone anymore, and my BiCros Hearing Aid was useless from
    then.
    Luckily I recoverd some of the losses, and now it has stabilized at about 65
    dBA at all frequencies below 5kHz, but 67 dBA at 500 Hz.

    In May 1997 I got my 4th hearing crisis when I was talking to the salary administrator to tell him what I had discovered in my work of
    controlling.
    I immediately took my rest and cancelled almost all meetings I had
    planned.
    Neverthe less my Tinnitus, HyperAcusis and Misophony increased besides
    the
    hearing loss and the Recruitment I already had. Since that year I donot work
    commercially anymore and I had to stop wearing a hearing aid anymore.
    In some cases I use my Sennheiser 2013 PLL solo set as a hearing aid,
    but it still tires me too much, so I only use that as little as possible. For important meetings I can hire in a speech to text reporter with a laptop
    and VeloType keyboard. I may only do that for max. 30 hours a year,
    that is only 0.3 % of all possible hours available, paid by the
    government.
    As I am doing work for clubs, they sometimes pay that speech to text reporter.

    That is terrible.

    Nowaydays I very seldom listen to music. Mostly only at the days between Christmas and newyears day to the Radio 2 Top2000 with old songs I heard
    in my youth.
    I have to be very carefull with the very little hearing I have left.
    So I am allways continuesly changing the volume knob, mostly at less
    volume as
    my bad right ear can handle.
    I hope you understand my situation now.

    Unless you like classical music, you aren't missing anything.


    Roger

    --- D'Bridge (SR39)
    * Origin: D'Bridge 3.99 (Halloween Version) (1:3828/7)
  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Henri Derksen on Mon Nov 26 14:43:00 2018
    On 11-25-18 17:16, Henri Derksen wrote to Roger Nelson <=-

    I ran 90 meters in about 9 seconds when I was 14.

    That's very fast.

    We've established it should have been 90m in 10 seconds, which is still quite fast, but not so world record breaking. :)

    At the basic school we had to be under the 12 seconds for 60 meters
    with a still standing start.
    I always needed 14 seconds or more to complete 60 meters hard running.

    We never had tests like that at school. In primary school, you'd have needed a sundial, but I was reasonably fast in high school. Today, I can run 60 metres un under 8.5 seconds (last race at that distance was 8.42 in March this year). And that's with electronic photo finish - a good timekeeper with a stopwatch would record around 8.1 or 8.2 seconds. For the record, I'm 50 now.

    So I could never reach the most simple A diploma for sports.
    Lateron I discovered it had something to do with my less capacity of my lungs. In 1987 it seemed I had only 75 % of the normal capacity for my lenght, weight and body volume compared to normal healthy people.

    Interesting. I have a friend who has similarly limited lung capacity.

    Before birth in 1956 I had a lack of O2 between 02:00 and 04:00 hours, which has caused in several damages, mostly of hearing and balance and lung capacity and less energy.
    I am allways fysically slower than normal people.
    I cannot fix that, so I have to do it witch what I have, that's life.

    Have to work with what you've got. My main limitations are in coordination, which does limit my top speed a bit, and requires constant training to keep in line. Luckily I have a lot of raw power to get me close to where I want.


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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Roger Nelson on Mon Nov 26 06:01:00 2018
    Hello Roger,

    One could cheat and use the heel of the right hand.
    Yes, but if the restriction is only one key per finger, it's
    undoable. May be apes can, they have 20 fingers ;-).
    All you need to do now is train the ape.
    I have better things to do than that ;-).

    Then why bring it up?

    I wrote "may be" that does not imply I "have" to do that ;-)

    But I think I found another solution to overcome this problem.
    There are software packages or commands that can insert characters in the keyboardbuffer, as if they were really manually typed in.
    The os who has to handle that does not see the difference.
    So you could send all that needed characters from a file or serial line?
    And no, I am not going to find out and try that, if you think.
    Everyone knows very well that key combination is a silly proposal.

    Unless you like classical music, you aren't missing anything.

    It is not only the music I am missing, the telephone and conversations with other people too.
    In stead of that, I continuesly hear the Tinnitus sound as if a vacuum cleaner is allways on the whole day from the moment when I open my eyes in the morning untill I fall asleep. That makes people with Tinnitus very tired ;-(.
    Only my dreams are quiet.
    You know Vincent van Gogh cutted off his ear for that.
    Everybody who can think knows that would not help.
    The CEO at my school onces told me I had the most beautyfull ears he had ever seen. And than I said. "that does not help if they donot work right".
    You can better have ugly ears that work perfect, than nice ones that don't.
    So I allways go for functionality of everything, the looks are secondary.

    * Origin: D'Bridge 3.99 (Halloween Version) (1:3828/7)

    What does that have, other versions are missing?

    Henri.

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Björn Felten on Sun Nov 25 15:06:00 2018
    In a message on 11-24-18 Björn Felten said to Holger Granholm:

    There are at least a few echos with more activity than FN_SYSOP.

    And they are??

    Summary of EchoMail Tag Statistics
    01 Nov 00:07:49 - To - 15 Nov 00:06:52

    +====================================+
    | Total Messages Received = 4614 |
    | Total Messages Sent = 28601 |
    | Total Duplicate Messages = 3513 |
    +====================================+

    Tack Björn!


    God Jul och Gott Nytt År,

    Holger


    .. Böner besvaras alltid. Svaret är vanligen nej!
    -- MR/2 2.30


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Henri Derksen on Mon Nov 26 11:54:00 2018
    Unless you like classical music, you aren't missing anything.

    In stead of that, I continuesly hear the Tinnitus sound as if a vacuum cleaner is allways on the whole day from the moment when I open my eyes
    in the morning untill I fall asleep. That makes people with Tinnitus very tired ;-(.

    I also have tinnitus, I hear something similar to steam hissing and escaping. I
    can live with and it seems there's no improvement/cure. It also seems progressive ... for example at times I don't hear the doorbell. And I'm very susceptible to low bass sounds ...

    There are good sides too ... I can always claim i didn't hear what my wife said.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR33
    * Origin: If there's an elephant in the room, introduce him (2:292/854)
  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Mon Nov 26 22:28:00 2018
    On 11-25-18 10:06, Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Neither do I but when sitting at the BBS machine I listen to the
    traffic on 20m CW. The transceiver is at an armlengts distance so I can adjust the volume and/or frequency.

    I will have to fire up the remote base, so I can monitor the airwaves from anywhere in the house. :)


    ... After Tuesday, even the calender says WTF.
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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Henri Derksen on Mon Nov 26 08:35:35 2018
    On Mon Nov-26-2018 01:01, Henri Derksen (2:280/1208) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    ]...]

    * Origin: D'Bridge 3.99 (Halloween Version) (1:3828/7)

    What does that have, other versions are missing?

    It's scarier than previous versions.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Sandra Bullock
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Tony Langdon on Tue Nov 27 13:56:00 2018
    In a message on 11-26-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

    GE Tony,

    Neither do I but when sitting at the BBS machine I listen to the
    traffic on 20m CW. The transceiver is at an armlengts distance ....

    I will have to fire up the remote base, so I can monitor the
    airwaves from anywhere in the house. :)

    I don't have that need but a handie-talkie is always at hand monitoring
    the local repeaters.


    GN es 73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


    .. Drive slower than your guardian angel can fly!
    -- MR/2 2.30


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Holger Granholm on Wed Nov 28 22:19:00 2018
    On 11-27-18 08:56, Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I will have to fire up the remote base, so I can monitor the
    airwaves from anywhere in the house. :)

    I don't have that need but a handie-talkie is always at hand monitoring the local repeaters.

    That will work for the 70cm repeater here in town, but the 2m repeater is just a fraction too far for reliable access that way.

    .. Drive slower than your guardian angel can fly!

    Haha


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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Tony Langdon on Fri Dec 7 22:23:00 2018
    Hello Tony,

    ... Doesanyoneknowhowmuchitcoststogetaspacebarrepaired?

    Nothing, just enter <Alt> 032 instead ;-).

    Henri.

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    * Origin: Connectivity is the Future; UniCorn BBS 31 26 4425506 (2:280/1208)
  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Henri Derksen on Sat Dec 8 22:20:00 2018
    On 12-07-18 17:23, Henri Derksen wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Hello Tony,

    ... Doesanyoneknowhowmuchitcoststogetaspacebarrepaired?

    Nothing, just enter <Alt> 032 instead ;-).

    Haha good one. ;)


    ... I'm spending a year dead for tax purposes.
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