• Z1_BACKBONE Echolist Update

    From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68 to All on Thu Oct 11 01:34:44 2018
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    Echo Successfully Updated.

    TAGname: Z1_BACKBONE

    TITLe: Zone 1 North American Backbone activity

    DESCription: Z1_Backbone is the home of the NAB: North American BACKBONE.
    Note: this forum is to be accessible by Zone 1 Sysops ONLY.

    MODerator: Ben Ritchey, 1:393/68

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    RESTrictions: Zone 1 SysOps ONLY!

    DISTribution: FIDONet Backbone

    GATEway: Prior Permission Required

    From: Ben Ritchey, 1:393/68

    Updated on: 10/10/2018

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Ben Ritchey on Thu Oct 11 08:23:30 2018
    Hello Ben!

    10 Oct 2018 21:34, Ben Ritchey wrote to All:

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    i find limited access silly


    Regards Benny

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  • From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68 to Benny Pedersen on Thu Oct 11 04:20:24 2018
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    i find limited access silly
    Regards Benny

    Silly or not, please terminate your access to this forum.


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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Ben Ritchey on Thu Oct 11 13:57:06 2018
    Hello Ben!

    11 Oct 2018 00:20, Ben Ritchey wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Silly or not, please terminate your access to this forum.

    no


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  • From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68 to Mark Lewis on Thu Oct 11 15:16:32 2018
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    changed, shouldn't there be some discussion between backbone star operators to arrive at a concensus??

    No Mark. As moderator I see no need for other than Z1 Backbone Sysops to have access, indeed, as the name states Z1_BACKBONE. If you find a need for an international echo, start one. :)


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  • From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68 to Ward Dossche on Thu Oct 11 19:06:08 2018
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    I have a hunch Canadian sysops would think Z1_BACKBONE "is" an international echo.
    No?

    Maybe, still North American continent (lol)


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  • From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68 to Alan Ianson on Thu Oct 11 19:09:56 2018
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    Canadian sysops are in Z1.. so...
    I always thought this area was open to all for the reasons mark
    explained but the moderator has spoken.

    Yes, though I simply stated I saw no need for non-Z1 SysOps to have access to a

    Z1 Administrative forum. They are more than welcome to make use of the Echolist, as an example, but why would we want, or need, non-Z1 SysOps to have access to the NAB?

    This is purely a technical decision. I have never been "across the pond" though

    I have visited several Far East ports of call on leave from the Marine Corps while stationed on several Helicopter Carriers. :) I have no hangups about "foreigners" that I am aware of, though I do consider US interests before any others, good enough?

    Mark did not make his case in my mind for any NEED for this. I welcome anyone to do so!


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  • From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68.8 to Alan Ianson on Thu Oct 11 20:47:34 2018
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    Today I think the NAB serves Fidonet as a whole regardless of zone and
    has done so for many years.

    Not always or necessarily a good thing, evolution.

    Do you mind if I make my case? :)
    There may be moderators in other zones who need to interact with the backbone to have listings changed, added or removed.
    It was my understanding that this area is where they did that,
    although I could be wrong.

    Doesn't seem "right", after all it IS the North American Backbone! Why let non-Z1 SysOps have access and the ability to change things? I'm not paranoid, just thinking, just common sense! I would rather have a non-Z1 SysOp work with a Z1 SysOp to change anything. Let a Z1 SysOp approve it and do submissions.

    Maybe Nick will weigh in on this, but I DO see your point, just no NEED. :(


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to All on Thu Oct 11 23:15:12 2018
    On 11 Oct 18 15:09:56, Ben Ritchey said the following to Alan Ianson:

    This is purely a technical decision. I have never been "across the pond" though
    I have visited several Far East ports of call on leave from the Marine Corp while stationed on several Helicopter Carriers. :) I have no hangups about "foreigners" that I am aware of, though I do consider US interests before a others, good enough?

    Theres nothing really technical to make a decision about Echomail, as my old drinking-buddies used to say, "it is what it is". Its going to echo... and there is no such thing as a private Echomail area. There is no security or authentication inherit to Echomail to prevent uninvited guests. No
    encryption, no way of restricting distribution beyond the originating system.

    You may be surprised to know that there exists a gentlemen's-agreement between myself and Ward. As in, you don't screw me and I won't screw you. It goes beyond that, in that I have full unrestricted access to his entire system (Echoes, passwords for everyone, routing tables etc). He was on-board when I told him that I seriously wish to improve Z1-Z2 relations.

    I think its important to understand how damaged Z1-Z2 relations are. Since I have been elected, I am constantly watched and put under the scope by the "nodelist police" and now recently the "Echomail police". Its not just Zone 2, there are some individuals in this zone that would like to see me fail spetacularly. And heres another example.

    I am an invited guest to ENET.SYSOP (the Zone 2 equivalent of Z1C), but I cannot extend Ward the same courtesy in return because of the sheer amount of hostility and hatred some folks here have towards him - Justified or not. So anything he posts in Z1C would be immediately flamed. Thus going against my wish of "keeping the peace" between zones. Him and I discussed this in great detail. As a side note... I am treated very nicely in ENET.SYSOP even surprisingly by the most notorious ones who flamed Zone 1 in the past.

    There are many in Zone 2 who believe Zone 1 conducts secret business, because of the many attempts in the past to keep Admin echoes restricted to Zone 1 only. Due to past political strifes, there are some non-Zone1 Sysops who see a Zone 1 Admin echo as a "dare" or inciting to gain access; just because
    they can. Z1C, Z1REGCON, Z1_ELECTION... its all available. I feel it would be best to at least acknowledge and seriously consider this.

    If you open up access, not only would you show transparency and prove this zone has no secret-business, all you do is just make it clear that everyone
    is to behave, and the nature of this echo is tech-related. If you know the echo can be accessed worldwide, make it so posting here is by invitation-only or enter into gentlemen's-agreements with the moderators in question.

    I may not be a Nab fan, but I would do my best to stop any flame-wars in these Nab Admin echoes from non-Nab people.

    Just my two cents.

    Nick

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  • From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68 to All on Fri Oct 12 02:19:25 2018
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    Echo Successfully Updated.

    TAGname: Z1_BACKBONE

    TITLe: Zone 1 North American Backbone activity

    DESCription: Z1_Backbone is the home of the NAB: North American BACKBONE.
    Note: this forum is intended for access by Zone 1 Sysops

    MODerator: Ben Ritchey, 1:393/68

    ORIGin: 1:393/68

    RESTrictions: Zone 1 SysOps with exceptions

    DISTribution: FIDONet Backbone

    GATEway: Prior Permission Required

    From: Ben Ritchey, 1:393/68

    Updated on: 10/11/2018

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  • From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68 to Alan Ianson on Fri Oct 12 02:21:21 2018
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    True enough. In the case of the NAB I hope that it has (or will)
    evolve in a way that serves Fidonet as a whole.

    Yes, not trying to alienate anyone, see subsequent update posted here.


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