Quoting Joacim Melin to All <=-
Google kicks them out of Android, Qualcomm and others stop selling
parts for their phones and computers...
... bad day for Huawei, no less.
Google kicks them out of Android, Qualcomm and others stop selling parts for their phones and computers...
... bad day for Huawei, no less.
Google kicks them out of Android, Qualcomm and others stop selling parts for their phones and computers...
I heard about that. Supposedly it's related to Donald Trump's tarrif policies on China.. It seems it's affecting businesses both in China
and the US. I've heard of at least several companies in the US that
have announced ceasing some operations or laying off employees due to
the higher costs of import/export between the US and China. And I've heard some companies will probably start charging more money for
products imported from China and products with components imported from China.
Google kicks them out of Android, Qualcomm and others stop selling parts for their phones and computers...
... bad day for Huawei, no less.
to bad... they make very good phones that are much better than Samsung's. Huawei is a very used brand here in Romania....I hope this whole problem will go away soon as Trump's decisions are affecting everyone....
Google kicks them out of Android, Qualcomm and others stop selling parts for their phones and computers...
... bad day for Huawei, no less.
to bad... they make very good phones that are much better than Samsung's. Huawei is a very used brand here in Romania....I hope this whole problem will go away soon as Trump's decisions are affecting everyone....
I don't think I've ever seen a Huawei phone in the US. I'm not sure if it's because they just aren't sold here or I just haven't noticed. I thought Huawei was mainly in the Chinese market, but perhaps not.
They are pretty massive outside the US. Here in Canada every major carrier carries their devices. It's too bad that they are under this suspicion because they make great devices.
Don't get me wrong, I think they are guilty of spying.
I don't know the company or what they are trying to do.
I don't know the company or what they are trying to do.
The owner of the company is a former high ranking Chinese military official who was responsible for their intelligence, not suspicious at all.
Here in Canada, we have been in a spat with the Chinese over Huawei. We have the owner's daughter under house arrest facing extradition to the US.
She is facing charges or dealing with a foreign government who was on a US list of governments not to deal with.
It has become a whole saga.
I don't think I've ever seen a Huawei phone in the US. I'm not sure
They are pretty massive outside the US. Here in Canada every major carrier carries their devices. It's too bad that they are under this suspicion because they make great devices.
Don't get me wrong, I think they are guilty of spying.
I don't really know enough to know if they're guilty of spying or not,
but it all seems like only suspicion for now. It seems the US
government has decided to take action against them without any hard evidence that they're spying. But there may be something others know
that I don't.
I don't really know enough to know if they're guilty of spying or not,
but it all seems like only suspicion for now. It seems the US
government has decided to take action against them without any hard evidence that they're spying. But there may be something others know
that I don't.
Google kicks them out of Android, Qualcomm and others stop selling pa for their phones and computers...
This will only escalate the trade war between Chine and the US.
Don't worry, PM Trustfund of Canada will illegally sell them parts
because he admires the Chinese Dictatorship so much. (His insane
stupid words - The american's think they have it bad with the TV
star,
we have a rich failed drama teacher who doesn't know the difference
between Japan and China.
I don't really know enough to know if they're guilty of spying or not,
but it all seems like only suspicion for now. It seems the US
government has decided to take action against them without any hard evidence that they're spying. But there may be something others know
that I don't.
Which makes absolutely no sense if you're interested in outcomes. Trump
is someone that thinks of everything as a "deal", and in every deal
there are winners and losers. It's the short game. He fails to
understand diplomacy or 2nd/3rd order effects. I see no way to be optimistic about any of the trade war outcomes. I just don't get it.
I heard about that. Supposedly it's related to Donald Trump's tarrif
policies on China.. It seems it's affecting businesses both in China
and the US. I've heard of at least several companies in the US that
have announced ceasing some operations or laying off employees due to
the higher costs of import/export between the US and China. And I've
heard some companies will probably start charging more money for
products imported from China and products with components imported from
China.
So much 'winning'...
Re: Bye Bye Huawei?
By: Joacim Melin to All on Mon May 20 2019 12:39 pm
Google kicks them out of Android, Qualcomm and others stop selling parts
for their phones and computers...
... bad day for Huawei, no less.
One thing I realized is that even though a lot of high-tech parts
companies are
American companies, a lot of their parts are manufactured in China.
So as far
as the tarriffs and trade war are concerned, I'm wondering how that
works.. I
suppose since they are American companies, they have to follow
American laws
and not supply parts to Chinese companies, even though their parts are probably
manufactured in China.
policies on China.. It seems it's affecting businesses both in China
and the US. I've heard of at least several companies in the US that
Anyone want to buy some Canola?
It is hard for a mere mortal such as myself to even try to imagine how
to deal with all the winning Trump does these days. :D
It is surely going to hit Apple hard. They manufacture/assemble about 98% of their physical products in China.
Anyone want to buy some Canola?
Is it made in China?
There are more and more countries starting to block them from rolling out 5g technology. I have a feeling the intelligence community as a whole knows more than they let on.
Nightfox wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
Google kicks them out of Android, Qualcomm and others stop selling parts for their phones and computers...
... bad day for Huawei, no less.
I heard about that. Supposedly it's related to Donald Trump's tarrif policies on China.. It seems it's affecting businesses both in China
Al wrote to andrei <=-
to bad... they make very good phones that are much better than Samsung's. Huawei is a very used brand here in Romania....I hope this whole problem will go away soon as Trump's decisions are affecting everyone....
This issue that Canada has is related to spyware built into Huawei products at least as far as 5G is concerned.
I heard about that. Supposedly it's related to Donald Trump's
tarrif policies on China.. It seems it's affecting businesses both
in China
No the Huawei deal is due more to cybersecurity and piracy risks. Just like google and FB and other companies spy on their users, it is believed that Huawei does, too, but on behalf of the Chinese government. Sort of how they use tech to spy on their own people, with the help of companies like Apple and Google.
A few weeks back, I was reading an article about how some US company had been selling cloud computer tech to Amazon and others using Chinese made boards. Someone realized the boards had these extra chips on them, about the size of a grain of rice. The belief is that the chips were spyware. The companies that used the boards replaced them all.
Probably small beans when looking at the big picture but certainly a problem for a number of canola farmers here.
It's their way, or the Huawei..
I don't think I've ever seen a Huawei phone in the US. I'm not sure if it'sbecause they just aren't sold here or I just
haven't noticed. I thought Huawei was mainly in the Chinese market, butperhaps not.
because they just aren't sold here or I just
haven't noticed. I thought Huawei was mainly in the Chinese market,perhaps not.
but
Not sure if anyone responded to you on this yet or not, but Google's Nexus 6P is/was Huawei.
Nightfox wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
I heard about that. Supposedly it's related to Donald Trump's tarrif policies on China.. It seems it's affecting businesses both in China
and the US. I've heard of at least several companies in the US that
have announced ceasing some operations or laying off employees due to
the higher costs of import/export between the US and China. And I've heard some companies will probably start charging more money for
products imported from China and products with components imported from China.
Netsurge wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
Google kicks them out of Android, Qualcomm and others stop selling parts for their phones and computers...
This will only escalate the trade war between Chine and the US.
This will only escalate the trade war between Chine and the US.
Expect China to mess with Apple in retaliation in 3... 2.. 1...
China is a faster growing market in some ways. You're going to see companies building in China to sell to their market instead of risking exposure to tarriffs. China has cheap labor *and* the market, why
would American auto brands build in the US any more?
This will only escalate the trade war between Chine and the US.
Expect China to mess with Apple in retaliation in 3... 2.. 1...
Al wrote to nathanael <=-
Probably small beans when looking at the big picture but certainly a problem for a number of canola farmers here.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-
China is a faster growing market in some ways. You're going to see companies building in China to sell to their market instead of risking exposure to tarriffs. China has cheap labor *and* the market, why
would American auto brands build in the US any more?
Blue White wrote to Al <=-
Probably small beans when looking at the big picture but certainly a problem for a number of canola farmers here.
If we can deep fry stuff in it, I am sure we'd be interested in it here
in the States... that is, if we are allowed to import it from you. :O
:D
This will only escalate the trade war between Chine and the US.
Expect China to mess with Apple in retaliation in 3... 2.. 1...
That will only be the tip of the iceberg
On 05-20-19 12:50, Al wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
Google kicks them out of Android, Qualcomm and others stop selling parts for their phones and computers...
... bad day for Huawei, no less.
They are under scrutiny in Canada as well. I don't think they are going
to be allowed on the upcoming 5G networks here although it's not been announced yet.
On 05-20-19 23:05, andrei wrote to Al <=-
to bad... they make very good phones that are much better than
Samsung's. Huawei is a very used brand here in Romania....I hope this whole problem will go away soon as Trump's decisions are affecting everyone....
On 05-20-19 14:39, Nightfox wrote to andrei <=-
I don't think I've ever seen a Huawei phone in the US. I'm not sure if it's because they just aren't sold here or I just haven't noticed. I thought Huawei was mainly in the Chinese market, but perhaps not.
On 05-20-19 15:37, Al wrote to Netsurge <=-
I think the Chinese government "requested" these features.
On 05-21-19 12:24, Avon wrote to Nightfox <=-
In New Zealand our security services have also barred our telcos from using the Huawei gear for future 5G roll out.
On 05-20-19 23:14, esc wrote to Netsurge <=-
Which makes absolutely no sense if you're interested in outcomes. Trump
is someone that thinks of everything as a "deal", and in every deal
there are winners and losers. It's the short game. He fails to
understand diplomacy or 2nd/3rd order effects. I see no way to be optimistic about any of the trade war outcomes. I just don't get it.
This will only escalate the trade war between Chine and the
Expect China to mess with Apple in retaliation in 3... 2.. 1...
That will only be the tip of the iceberg
Word has it gonverment controlled media (no, not Fox! :) ) in China
have started to say it's embarrassing to use an iPhone.
In New Zealand our security services have also barred our telcos from using the Huawei gear for future 5G roll out.
Australia was one of the early ones to block Huawei from installing 5G.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Meanwhile, non-US car brands such as Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen, and BMW have car manufacturing plants in the US. I'm not sure if there are
other non-US car brands that might also have manufacturing plants in
the US..
Word has it gonverment controlled media (no, not Fox! :) ) in China
have started to say it's embarrassing to use an iPhone.
Re: Re: Bye Bye Huawei?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Netsurge on Wed May 22 2019 05:52 am
This will only escalate the trade war between Chine and the US.
Expect China to mess with Apple in retaliation in 3... 2.. 1...
Huawei has been accused of spying with their devices. Has Apple also
been
accused of spying? If not, it wouldn't really seem like a good
retaliation for
them to go after Apple. Also, at least for smartphones & tablets, I
think
there are a lot more Android devices in the world than Apple iPhones & iPads.
If they wanted to retaliate, it might make more sense for them to go
after
Google. Or perhaps Microsoft (for their number of Windows
installations around
the world).
They don't go after Apple - they go after one of the most profitable businesses
in the US even though it will hurt China too but I guess China can afford it, but the question is if the US can?
On 05-24-19 12:43, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You know we only have pretend 5g eh.... its really just 4g on
steroids..
On 05-24-19 13:25, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Further reading I did in a well written Reuters article revealed to me that it was Australia that was first sounding the alarm to the USA and then a number of other subsequent countries.
I think where there is any doubt about the possibility of harm, and
when the risk are high if a bad actor decided to conduct cyber warfare, then it's better to err on the side of caution.
On 05-24-19 09:14, andrei wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes, I've been using their dongles since 3G was introduced in Romania
and I still am.
They are much better than ZTE for example.
I think where there is any doubt about the possibility of harm, and when the risk are high if a bad actor decided to conduct cyber warfar then it's better to err on the side of caution.
True, but then a detailed investigation needs to be conducted.
On 05-26-19 11:35, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-
From some reading I have done the fear appears to be firmware updates pushed to 5G devices from the vendor that could introduce exploits
should a wartime footing be adopted.
Supposedly it's related to Donald Trump's tarrif policies on China
No the Huawei deal is due more to cybersecurity and piracy risks.
it is believed that Huawei does, too, but on behalf of the Chinese government.
Someone realized the boards had these extra chips on them, about
the size of a grain of rice.
China is a faster growing market in some ways. You're going to see companies building in China to sell to their market instead of risking exposure to tarriffs. China has cheap labor *and* the market, why
would American auto brands build in the US any more?
That will only be the tip of the iceberg
it might make
more sense for them to go after Google. Or perhaps Microsoft (for their
The fact is that China is a huge market for the west
even though it will hurt China too but I guess China can afford it, but the question is if the US can?
should a wartime footing be adopted.
Certainly plausible.
If Trump sticks to his guns, I really don't see this as a war China can win. The US has far more ways it can hurt China than China has of
hitting back. Yes, the US economy won't come out of it unscathed, but I think the damage to the Chinese economy will be far worse. Analysts have already cut forecasts Chinese growth this year by more than a point.
it might make
more sense for them to go after Google. Or perhaps Microsoft (for their
How would they go after Google? Google has never been a major player
in the
Chinese market. And Microsoft has for several years been moving the company's
focus toward cloud computing and Bing. In 2016, Windows revenue
dropped to
third place, behind Azure and cloud services.
Microsoft's never profited much from the Chinese market, anyway, given
as how
nearly everything there is pirated, anyway.
Blue White wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I am not sure about Ford or Fiat, but GM has several co-ventures in
that part of the world, whether it be assembling kits or building the whole vehicles there.
On 05-27-19 13:26, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-
On 26 May 2019 at 10:02p, Vk3jed pondered and said...
should a wartime footing be adopted.
Certainly plausible.
That's the kicker I guess, trying to second guess exploit pathways
before they are exploited.. the joys.
Are you kidding? Of the entire US debt over $6 trillions dollars is held by foreign owners. At the top of that list is China which the US owes $1.13 trillion dollars to. A trade war with China would impact the US greatly.
Didn't trump tweet about Ford being able to sell one of their cars
I don't think this gives China any real leverage, nor is it any big risk. Think about it like this. You take out a loan for $10 grand to buy a car. That bank basically owns you for the debt. Now take out a loan for $10 million to run a business. That bank will do anything in its power to
help you succeed, because now you basically own the bank.
Are you kidding? Of the entire US debt over $6 trillions dollars is held by foreign owners. At the top of that list is China which the US owes
iPhone of course) runs Android -> China blocks access to the Play Store and all other Google services -> Foo.
How would they go after Google? Google has never been a major player in the Chinese market.
iPhone of course) runs Android -> China blocks access to the Play Store
and all other Google services -> Foo.
You mean cut off *every* Android phone in China? I think that would
gravely
offend the sensitivities of the Chinese people :-)
Re: Re: Bye Bye Huawei?
By: nathanael to Nightfox on Mon May 27 2019 08:45 am
How would they go after Google? Google has never been a major player in
the Chinese market.
I don't know much about the Chinese market, but Google owns Android
(OS), and I
thought Android devices are sold around the world? From what I've
heard, part
of the US ban against Huawei is for Google to stop providing support
for
Huawei's Android-based phones.
Nightfox
Yeah, if we could do that, there would be no such thing as zero day exploits. D
I don't know much about the Chinese market, but Google owns Android
(OS), and I
thought Android devices are sold around the world? From what I've
heard, part
of the US ban against Huawei is for Google to stop providing
support for
Huawei's Android-based phones.
They already have.
The next Google version of Android (aka not the oppen
source
one with all the API's and ties to Google services) will not be available for Huawei. That means that Huawei have to use the open source version with very basic apps, no support for the Play store and no support for Google maps for navigation for example.
even more than the '08 financial crisis, and risk sending the Chinese economy into a tailspin.
I don't know much about the Chinese market, but Google owns Android
(OS), and I thought Android devices are sold around the world? From
Since when does the communist regime of China care about what the people thinks? :)
Since when does the communist regime of China care about what the people
thinks? :)
Given the frequency with they claim the Chinese people are offended,
it would
seem they care quite a bit.
On the other hand, that concern doesn't seem to extend to granting
them
greater freedoms.
On the other hand, it would cripple Chinese handset makers in the world market if they were no longer able to get Android or Google app updates. Look what it's already done to Huawei's phone division.
I'm not convinced it wouldn't hurt China more than it would hurt Google.
On 05-28-19 19:18, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-
On 27 May 2019 at 05:04p, Vk3jed pondered and said...
Yeah, if we could do that, there would be no such thing as zero day exploits. D
I'm glad the same does not apply to things like beer, confectionery and bacon.
Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, if we could do that, there would be no such thing as zero day exploits. D
I'm glad the same does not apply to things like beer, confectionery and bacon.
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