• Brexit fails

    From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to All on Thu Mar 21 17:32:26 2019
    So apparently there's a petition to revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU,
    and the site hosted by the government suspiciously went down this morning preventing anyone from signing it...

    It's up again just now, and has over 900,000 signatures. If anyone from round the world wants to sign it they can, and here's a link

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

    I just signed it, I can't believe how much of an arse the PM is making of herself, can't decide on anything, can't make head nor tail of her shizzle.
    We should remain in my opinion.

    If this sort of stuff isn't for this area, happy to move it else where, just wanted to vent more than anything lol... feel free to sign the petition
    though, i am hoping that we DO revoke article 50 and remain, and looking at
    the numbers, I'd say that's what the population probably DOES want too... you can see heatmaps of people who signed the remain petition, and there's also another for people who signed the leave petition, interesting the numbers are much greater on the remain map.

    Happy Thursday y'all =)

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  • From nathanael@21:4/123 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Mar 22 01:59:31 2019
    It's up again just now, and has over 900,000 signatures. If anyone from round the world wants to sign it they can, and here's a link

    Out of curiosity, what's the point of non-UK citizens signing the petition?

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to nathanael on Thu Mar 21 18:15:26 2019
    Out of curiosity, what's the point of non-UK citizens signing the petition?

    It's a good question, the only reason I think is because trade agreements
    would be broken/changed/etc with other countries, which could then impact on
    a) the UK trade with other countries, and b) other countries trade with the
    UK.

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  • From nathanael@21:4/123 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Mar 22 02:29:17 2019
    It's a good question, the only reason I think is because trade agreements would be broken/changed/etc with other countries, which could then

    Well, sure, Brexit will affect lots of people outide the UK, but the UK government is legally tasked with caring about UK citiens.

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  • From tenser@21:1/188 to MeaTLoTioN on Thu Mar 21 18:13:49 2019
    On 21 Mar 2019, MeaTLoTioN said the following...

    Out of curiosity, what's the point of non-UK citizens signing the petition?

    It's a good question, the only reason I think is because trade agreements would be broken/changed/etc with other countries, which could then
    impact on a) the UK trade with other countries, and b) other countries trade with the UK.

    I just looked at that site and it said only British citizens and
    residents could sign.

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to tenser on Fri Mar 22 02:12:45 2019
    I just looked at that site and it said only British citizens and
    residents could sign.

    Well that can't be right as if you look at the JSON data set for it there's a whole bunch of votes fro other countries! That's interesting.

    Well I don't know, I pretty much don't think the UK will be in the EU much longer even though i think personally it's not the right thing... but what do
    I know, I am just a resident, a citizen, the government obviously know better than the citizens and what's best for our future.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Mar 22 12:46:00 2019
    On 03-21-19 13:32, MeaTLoTioN wrote to All <=-

    So apparently there's a petition to revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU, and the site hosted by the government suspiciously went down this morning preventing anyone from signing it...

    Did it go down or was it simply swamped with traffic? ;)

    If this sort of stuff isn't for this area, happy to move it else where, just wanted to vent more than anything lol... feel free to sign the

    I don't have a problem with it being posted here. Sounds like things are getting worse (and nuttier) over there. :/

    petition though, i am hoping that we DO revoke article 50 and remain,
    and looking at the numbers, I'd say that's what the population probably DOES want too... you can see heatmaps of people who signed the remain petition, and there's also another for people who signed the leave petition, interesting the numbers are much greater on the remain map.

    Internet polls are notoriously unreliable, because they are generally self selecting samples, and easily influenced by multiple factors. Typically people with strong feelings are those who will respond, and I strongly suspect that the strongest feelings would be in the "stay" camp nowadays. But you have optional voting anyway, don't you? That's quite foreign to me, as we have compulsory voting in Australia, which probably leads to more of the moderate voices being heard at election time. And the idea seems to be socially ingrained. During the infamous marriage equality postal vote of 2017, which WAS an optional popular opinion poll conducted through the post, there was still an approximately 80% voter turnout, which is a figure many countries would drool over for their national elections!

    Still, I have a feeling that a lot of people have had a rethink since the original referendum.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Mar 22 12:48:00 2019
    On 03-21-19 14:15, MeaTLoTioN wrote to nathanael <=-

    Out of curiosity, what's the point of non-UK citizens signing the petition?

    It's a good question, the only reason I think is because trade
    agreements would be broken/changed/etc with other countries, which
    could then impact on a) the UK trade with other countries, and b) other countries trade with the UK.

    For those of us in Commonwealth countries, there's a lot to think about, because brexit has the potential to increase trade with the UK, but there may be other negative political implications of Brexit that could affect us.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to nathanael on Fri Mar 22 12:53:00 2019
    On 03-21-19 22:29, nathanael wrote to MeaTLoTioN <=-

    It's a good question, the only reason I think is because trade agreements would be broken/changed/etc with other countries, which could then

    Well, sure, Brexit will affect lots of people outide the UK, but the UK government is legally tasked with caring about UK citiens.

    Yep. Given that it's a decision to be made by the UK government for their people, I don't think it's my place to sign the petition.


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  • From Dmxrob@21:4/148 to Vk3jed on Thu Mar 21 22:12:37 2019
    Re: Re: Brexit fails
    By: Vk3jed to nathanael on Fri Mar 22 2019 08:53 am

    Well, sure, Brexit will affect lots of people outide the UK, but the UK government is legally tasked with caring about UK citiens.

    Yep. Given that it's a decision to be made by the UK government for their people, I don't think it's my place to sign the petition.

    Exactly. People really need to keep their noses out of the business of other countries. Worry about your own.


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  • From nathanael@21:4/123 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Mar 22 11:29:51 2019
    but what do I know, I am just a resident, a citizen, the government obviously know better than the citizens and what's best for our future.

    Umm, I thought the citizens voted for it?

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  • From nathanael@21:4/123 to Vk3jed on Fri Mar 22 11:36:09 2019
    Still, I have a feeling that a lot of people have had a rethink since the original referendum.

    According to this site, remain now leads leave in public opinion 54 to 45%.

    https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-united-kingdom-remain-a-member -of-the-european-union-or-leave-the-european-union-asked-after-the-referendum/

    Problem is, I suspect, that the Brexit vote is legally binding, opinion polls not so much.

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Vk3jed on Fri Mar 22 04:14:38 2019
    On 22 Mar 2019, Vk3jed said the following...

    On 03-21-19 13:32, MeaTLoTioN wrote to All <=-

    So apparently there's a petition to revoke Article 50 and remain in t EU, and the site hosted by the government suspiciously went down this morning preventing anyone from signing it...

    Did it go down or was it simply swamped with traffic? ;)

    Apparently it went down, there was talk that it was hit by a DDoS attack from someone tech savvy Brexiteers so that people couldn't vote to remain in the
    EU, that story I don't think had any evidence in it so I am unsure whether to believe it, however I wouldn't put it past our own government to do something like that, just so that Theresa May doesn't end up looking stupid with egg on her face when the population vote in a majority to remain (that's just an uneducated assumption / opinion, I have no evidence that it will be a
    majority remain vote).


    If this sort of stuff isn't for this area, happy to move it else wher just wanted to vent more than anything lol... feel free to sign the

    I don't have a problem with it being posted here. Sounds like things are getting worse (and nuttier) over there. :/

    Ah that's cool, I mean it's a general chat area, so I thought it probably be ok, I am not massively into politics really, just this is kinda taking up pretty much all the news lately here, and probably elsewhere, and honestly I personally think Theresa May and the current government are just about to
    drive the final proverbial nail in the coffin.


    petition though, i am hoping that we DO revoke article 50 and remain, and looking at the numbers, I'd say that's what the population probab DOES want too... you can see heatmaps of people who signed the remain petition, and there's also another for people who signed the leave petition, interesting the numbers are much greater on the remain map.

    Internet polls are notoriously unreliable, because they are generally
    self selecting samples, and easily influenced by multiple factors. Typically people with strong feelings are those who will respond, and I strongly suspect that the strongest feelings would be in the "stay" camp nowadays. But you have optional voting anyway, don't you? That's quite foreign to me, as we have compulsory voting in Australia, which probably leads to more of the moderate voices being heard at election time. And the idea seems to be socially ingrained. During the infamous marriage equality postal vote of 2017, which WAS an optional popular opinion poll conducted through the post, there was still an approximately 80% voter turnout, which is a figure many countries would drool over for their national elections!

    Still, I have a feeling that a lot of people have had a rethink since the original referendum.

    Not sure about the pro's and cons of an optional vs mandatory voting system,
    as I say before not really into politics, mostly don't really understand it
    as never had to pay too much attention to it or felt compelled to be
    passionate about it... however, maybe this is changing my viewpoint somehow
    or I'm just getting older lol.

    So the government website has the voting poll for the Revoke Article 50 thing so that we can come back to the EU (or stay as we haven't yet left), there's also a Brexit leave poll, and the latter has been running for months and months, and had at most 350,000 votes on it, where as the poll for remaining has been going since Feb 20 I think and today I saw it hit 1,000,000 votes,
    and it's increasing by approximately 1,500 every minute.

    I would say that, from my uneducated point of view, it is a clear message
    that the general public want to remain if you look at those statistics... the leavers cover 30%-35% at the current levels of numbers... and that's going to get less the more people vote to remain.

    Anywho, thanks for discussing, I really don't have a clue what leaving or staying will do to me personally or my family, children, etc... but I just think that being in the EU would be better, for trades globally having the strength of the EU behind the UK, for working (I used to work for a Swedish company and based in the UK, travelling to and from the head office ever few weeks was easy while in the EU, but leaving would have made that so much harder).

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Dmxrob on Fri Mar 22 16:44:00 2019
    On 03-21-19 18:12, Dmxrob wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yep. Given that it's a decision to be made by the UK government for their people, I don't think it's my place to sign the petition.

    Exactly. People really need to keep their noses out of the business of other countries. Worry about your own.

    Agree. One exceotion to that rule is where another country's legislation or government decision could directly impact your country's citizens. Examples include the so-called "link tax" that have been put before the EU Parliament, which would affect Internet users worldwide, if they got up.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to nathanael on Fri Mar 22 16:46:00 2019
    On 03-22-19 07:36, nathanael wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    According to this site, remain now leads leave in public opinion 54 to 45%.

    https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/should-the-united-kingdom-remain-a -member -of-the-european-union-or-leave-the-european-union-asked-after-the-refer endum/

    Interesting, but not surprising.

    Problem is, I suspect, that the Brexit vote is legally binding, opinion polls not so much.

    Possibly. I don't know, but at the very least, another referendum would be required, I suspect. I'm not even sure that's legally possible now, as I don't know UK law at all.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Mar 22 17:13:00 2019
    On 03-22-19 00:14, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Apparently it went down, there was talk that it was hit by a DDoS
    attack from someone tech savvy Brexiteers so that people couldn't vote
    to remain in the EU, that story I don't think had any evidence in it so
    I am unsure whether to believe it, however I wouldn't put it past our
    own government to do something like that, just so that Theresa May
    doesn't end up looking stupid with egg on her face when the population vote in a majority to remain (that's just an uneducated assumption / opinion, I have no evidence that it will be a majority remain vote).

    I'd say this is likely a conspiracy theory. This sort of site is just as likely to be "accidentally DDOS'd" by legitimate traffic, if a lot of people decide to sign at the same time. In the tech world, this is known as "slashdotting", as tech websites featured on slashdot.com were known to go down shortly after, because of the interest the slashdot article generated. :)

    Not sure about the pro's and cons of an optional vs mandatory voting system, as I say before not really into politics, mostly don't really understand it as never had to pay too much attention to it or felt compelled to be passionate about it... however, maybe this is changing
    my viewpoint somehow or I'm just getting older lol.

    I take an interest in politics as a citizen. I'd rather be in a position to make informed decisions through the ballot box.

    So the government website has the voting poll for the Revoke Article 50 thing so that we can come back to the EU (or stay as we haven't yet
    left), there's also a Brexit leave poll, and the latter has been
    running for months and months, and had at most 350,000 votes on it,
    where as the poll for remaining has been going since Feb 20 I think and today I saw it hit 1,000,000 votes, and it's increasing by
    approximately 1,500 every minute.

    Certainly seems to be something significant going on. These are big numbers.
    )

    Anywho, thanks for discussing, I really don't have a clue what leaving
    or staying will do to me personally or my family, children, etc... but
    I just think that being in the EU would be better, for trades globally having the strength of the EU behind the UK, for working (I used to
    work for a Swedish company and based in the UK, travelling to and from
    the head office ever few weeks was easy while in the EU, but leaving
    would have made that so much harder).

    The situation here could go either way. As a Commonwealth country, the prospects of negotiating a trade deal with a non-EU UK are very good, because of our shared history and good relationship with the UK.


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  • From GngrDr3dM4n@21:2/153 to Vk3jed on Fri Mar 22 22:40:16 2019
    people decide to sign at the same time. In the tech world, this is
    known as "slashdotting", as tech websites featured on slashdot.com were known to go down shortly after, because of the interest the slashdot article generated. :)

    " wanged " - verb
    To bring down or make unavailable a website by routing heavy traffic to the site via a link or reference.


    basically posting anything on penny arcade now days
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to GngrDr3dM4n on Sun Mar 24 00:06:00 2019
    On 03-22-19 18:40, GngrDr3dM4n wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    " wanged " - verb
    To bring down or make unavailable a website by routing heavy traffic to the site via a link or reference.

    Sounds like a more generic name for "slashdotting". :D


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  • From GngrDr3dM4n@21:2/153 to Vk3jed on Sat Mar 23 18:07:41 2019
    Sounds like a more generic name for "slashdotting". :D

    Crazy kids these days just go renaming everything silly. <G>rin.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to GngrDr3dM4n on Sun Mar 24 12:21:00 2019
    On 03-23-19 14:07, GngrDr3dM4n wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Sounds like a more generic name for "slashdotting". :D

    Crazy kids these days just go renaming everything silly. <G>rin.

    Hahaha. :)


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